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2013-01-22 09:38:10 AM
5 votes:
On the other side of the aisle, conservatives noted that Obama had used the speech to promote a liberal vision of the role of government and shut the door on small-government conservatism as a mainstream principle.

You know what? In a country of 320,000,000+ people, small-government conservatism is impossible. The reality is that as population increases, the amount of oversight and regulation necessarily increases to allow for relatively smooth operations. There is no other way. At this point, the small-government conservatism can only lead to either an anarchic country that is incredibly socially stratified or a loose coalition of 50 brand new countries that just happen to share a currency. You want small-government? Move to a country that has a radically smaller population.
2013-01-22 09:07:06 AM
5 votes:
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):
"It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"


Why in the blue bloody f*ck should he have any reason to do that?
2013-01-22 07:44:13 AM
4 votes:
"It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"

Because it's totally not going to get slapped away this time, for reals.
2013-01-22 11:44:55 AM
3 votes:

pxsteel: DamnYankees: pxsteel: I have almost nothing in common with anyone in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine

You're kidding yourself, I hope you realize. You have almost everything in common with people in those states.

Really, lets see. I am getting up about 4AM on Saturday to go Coyote hunting in the morning, I spent about an hour last night cleaning my 243. I will be taking my shotgun as well because there is a pond near where I will be and I will be grilling fresh duck for dinner saturday evening. It is going to be around 82 degrees here on Sunday, so we will most likely be on the lake. I have not been able to water ski in 2 months and it's one of my most favorite things to do.

What are your plans for this weekend?


My plans is take a wonderful drive in upstate New York to go ice skating on one of our fab lakes. Take a look at a map sometimes and understand that only a small portion of New York is a city the rest is rural full of wonderful regions for hunting and fishing. Oh by the way, we have this wonderful area called the Finger Lakes.

Nothing irks me more than people who think that New York State is nothing but New York City.
2013-01-22 10:44:15 AM
3 votes:

DamnYankees: pxsteel: I am getting up about 4AM on Saturday to go Coyote hunting in the morning, I spent about an hour last night cleaning my 243. I will be taking my shotgun as well because there is a pond near where I will be and I will be grilling fresh duck for dinner saturday evening. It is going to be around 82 degrees here on Sunday, so we will most likely be on the lake. I have not been able to water ski in 2 months and it's one of my most favorite things to do.

Are you under the impression there are no people in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine who do things like this?

Are you that arrogant to think you're some unique special little flower who has no equals across this country?


He sounds like a patriot......he loves his country, except for the government, economy, culture, and the people.
2013-01-22 10:41:35 AM
3 votes:

pxsteel: I am getting up about 4AM on Saturday to go Coyote hunting in the morning, I spent about an hour last night cleaning my 243. I will be taking my shotgun as well because there is a pond near where I will be and I will be grilling fresh duck for dinner saturday evening. It is going to be around 82 degrees here on Sunday, so we will most likely be on the lake. I have not been able to water ski in 2 months and it's one of my most favorite things to do.


Are you under the impression there are no people in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine who do things like this?

Are you that arrogant to think you're some unique special little flower who has no equals across this country?
2013-01-22 09:46:57 AM
3 votes:

Snapper Carr: "And I think what's most interesting is that Obama basically is declaring the end of Reaganism in this speech."

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The important point of yesterday was that by reelecting Obama (and increasing Democratic numbers in the House and Senate) the country has again rejected conservative ideals, and Obama's speech showed he listened to the voters.
2013-01-22 09:00:45 AM
3 votes:
"And I think what's most interesting is that Obama basically is declaring the end of Reaganism in this speech."

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2013-01-22 10:44:55 AM
2 votes:

pxsteel: Really, lets see. I am getting up about 4AM on Saturday to go Coyote hunting in the morning, I spent about an hour last night cleaning my 243. I will be taking my shotgun as well because there is a pond near where I will be and I will be grilling fresh duck for dinner saturday evening. It is going to be around 82 degrees here on Sunday, so we will most likely be on the lake. I have not been able to water ski in 2 months and it's one of my most favorite things to do.


So basically, the thing that separates you from everything in Oregon and Illinois is that, where you live, it's warmer in January.
2013-01-22 10:26:22 AM
2 votes:

pxsteel: I have almost nothing in common with anyone in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine. I don't think like you do and I don't want to live your lifestyle, I am sure the feeling is mutual.


Just curious where you live that makes that true? What sub-culture are you a part of that separates you so completely from your fellow countrymen? What language do you primarily speak? Does your version of Fark only post comments that originate withing a few miles of your home?
2013-01-22 09:36:42 AM
2 votes:
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME):
"The speech was more of a campaign style speech than I expected," Collins told the New York Times after the ceremony. "Maybe it's just the final stage of the campaign, and now we can all get down to governing."


Ugh Collins I like you but please kindly take your head out of your ass
2013-01-22 09:31:00 AM
2 votes:
"I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"

If you bite the hand that feeds you, you will starve you fark nuts.
2013-01-22 09:13:53 AM
2 votes:

bulldg4life: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):
"It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"

Why in the blue bloody f*ck should he have any reason to do that?


^yes^, if that dog don't hunt...don't take that dog hunting
2013-01-22 04:16:51 PM
1 votes:
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):

"It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"


Maybe that's because every time he reached out his hand across the aisle, it got shat into. You'd quit too after awhile of that.
2013-01-22 01:22:57 PM
1 votes:

pxsteel: caseadey: pxsteel: DamnYankees: pxsteel: I have almost nothing in common with anyone in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine

You're kidding yourself, I hope you realize. You have almost everything in common with people in those states.

Really, lets see. I am getting up about 4AM on Saturday to go Coyote hunting in the morning, I spent about an hour last night cleaning my 243. I will be taking my shotgun as well because there is a pond near where I will be and I will be grilling fresh duck for dinner saturday evening. It is going to be around 82 degrees here on Sunday, so we will most likely be on the lake. I have not been able to water ski in 2 months and it's one of my most favorite things to do.

What are your plans for this weekend?

My plans is take a wonderful drive in upstate New York to go ice skating on one of our fab lakes. Take a look at a map sometimes and understand that only a small portion of New York is a city the rest is rural full of wonderful regions for hunting and fishing. Oh by the way, we have this wonderful area called the Finger Lakes.

Nothing irks me more than people who think that New York State is nothing but New York City.

92% of your states pop lives in the city. Statistically speaking you are an oddity in your own state, or are you telling me 5,5000,000 people (50%+) will be visiting the lakes this weekend.


Gosh I didn't realize that out of the 62 counties in New York State that only about 8 make up the New York metropolitan area. They have a population of about half of New York State.
The point is that you would be surprised at how much you have in common with upstate New York. Of course you can disagree with me, and that's fine. Oh and almost half of those counties tend to be Red.
2013-01-22 12:04:23 PM
1 votes:

pxsteel: NateGrey: pxsteel: I am not a republican.

You seemed pretty Republican after Romney lost and you were threatening states:

pxsteel 2012-11-07 11:36:23 AM
sequestration
Hey Virginia, you are really going to regret your decision in a couple of months
New Mexico.......Albuquerque.......Sandia......ring any bells
Florida, hope you were not to attached to your aeronautics industry
Ohio, how are you going to sell cars when all those jobs disappear? Link


What changed? Oh thats part of being a Republican, the lies. Good Show.

Sequestration has not started yet. Did they kill it during the Physical cliff deal? will it be part of the debt limit negotiations? You cannot cut that much money and expect it will have no ramifications.


Yeah, they should of voted Republican, right Fark Independent?
2013-01-22 11:41:59 AM
1 votes:

pxsteel: I am not a republican.


You seemed pretty Republican after Romney lost and you were threatening states:

pxsteel 2012-11-07 11:36:23 AM
sequestration
Hey Virginia, you are really going to regret your decision in a couple of months
New Mexico.......Albuquerque.......Sandia......ring any bells
Florida, hope you were not to attached to your aeronautics industry
Ohio, how are you going to sell cars when all those jobs disappear?
Link


What changed? Oh thats part of being a Republican, the lies. Good Show.
2013-01-22 11:18:18 AM
1 votes:

Sybarite: "It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"

Because it's totally not going to get slapped away this time, for reals.


Yeah, I like it when a president learns.
2013-01-22 10:34:16 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: pxsteel: I have almost nothing in common with anyone in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine

You're kidding yourself, I hope you realize. You have almost everything in common with people in those states.


I just view it as a variation on the "America is so massively diverse" canard that tends to get put forward by people who haven't been anywhere much else.
2013-01-22 10:24:31 AM
1 votes:

pxsteel: I have almost nothing in common with anyone in Oregon or New York or Illinois or Maine


You're kidding yourself, I hope you realize. You have almost everything in common with people in those states.
2013-01-22 10:17:36 AM
1 votes:
"Though conservative lawmakers stayed away from harsh criticism on Inauguration Day, they did not see the speech as an attempt to reach across the aisle - a theme in President Obama's first inaugural address four years ago"

Gee, I wonder why?
2013-01-22 09:51:25 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i love that after four years of viciously and relentlessly attacking obama on every single issue - even on issues that republicans would normally agree with - they're now all farking butthurt about his not "reaching out." you know what, republicans?

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Boehner could reach out with an apologetic suicide note and it would ALMOST restore his dignity and honor.
2013-01-22 09:48:28 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: When did the inauguration become a 4 day coronation ceremony.  That's all CNN is covering.  Did all the problems in the world get resolved?  Is Syria finished?  Is world hunger done?


I don't know if you've noticed, but CNN transitioned out of covering actual news, oh, about 5 years ago. The exact timing of the transition of the debate is up for debate because it was so slow. They're definitely far on the side of "utter bullshiat" now, though.
2013-01-22 09:45:20 AM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i love that after four years of viciously and relentlessly attacking obama on every single issue - even on issues that republicans would normally agree with - they're now all farking butthurt about his not "reaching out." you know what, republicans?

[i39.tinypic.com image 152x161]


Which is why, just 3 months ago, they lost. And not only did they lose, they had a message sent to them.

A message telling them "look, you dumbasses. You've gone out of your way to destroy our economy with lack of regulation, destroy our generation with worthless, senseless wars, destroy our dignity by telling the world 'join us or fark you', destroy our sense of 'freedom' as endowed in that Declaration that you so proudly wave by continuing to fight tooth and nail to deny parts of our population the basic rights of love and happiness, and destroy our sense of patriotism by disarming us of our rights. So we, as voters and still using our unalienable right to vote, are kicking your asses out of office. We're getting rid of those that orchestrated those that farked us over. We have seen the reality you deny and we don't like what you're doing to it. So fark you, Republicans. You want to take us down with you? You can try, but it's morning in America and we've given up on reasoning with you"

and then the people of this country looked out on a chilly morning on Nov 7th and collectively said "Good morning, America. I missed you"
2013-01-22 09:44:29 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: No, he didn't. The speech was meaningless political boilerplate, held up by platitudes and trivialities.

That's not to say it was a bad speech, it was just pointless, in the way that pretty much every inauguration speech ever has always been.


:
Possibly. On the other hand, in 40 years, we could look back on " through Seneca Falls, and Selma, and Stonewall" as a major turning point in the gay rights movement
2013-01-22 09:41:41 AM
1 votes:

Kome: On the other side of the aisle, conservatives noted that Obama had used the speech to promote a liberal vision of the role of government and shut the door on small-government conservatism as a mainstream principle.

You know what? In a country of 320,000,000+ people, small-government conservatism is impossible. The reality is that as population increases, the amount of oversight and regulation necessarily increases to allow for relatively smooth operations. There is no other way. At this point, the small-government conservatism can only lead to either an anarchic country that is incredibly socially stratified or a loose coalition of 50 brand new countries that just happen to share a currency. You want small-government? Move to a country that has a radically smaller population.


A Republican might argue that successful management of a population of this size can be broken down, state by state.
2013-01-22 09:38:16 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Cythraul: I didn't watch it. I"m tired of watching him speak. Even though I voted for the guy and agree with a lot of his policies, he irritates me these days.

I like Obama but holy shiat.  When did the inauguration become a 4 day coronation ceremony.  That's all CNN is covering.  Did all the problems in the world get resolved?  Is Syria finished?  Is world hunger done?  4 days x 24 hours of this bullshiat.  Do Americans miss having a royal family that bad?


I'm just relieved we're not talking about guns.
2013-01-22 09:32:27 AM
1 votes:
i love that after four years of viciously and relentlessly attacking obama on every single issue - even on issues that republicans would normally agree with - they're now all farking butthurt about his not "reaching out." you know what, republicans?

i39.tinypic.com
2013-01-22 09:30:15 AM
1 votes:
In case you don't want to read it, here's all the conservative commentary on Obama's inauguration:

www.bebemagico.com


And seriously, how many "go fark yourself, old man" tweets would John McCain have to get before taking a hint?
2013-01-22 09:17:51 AM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ):
"It was a fine speech, but I didn't hear any conciliatory remarks," McCain told the Times. "I didn't see any specific reference like, 'I reach out my hand to the other side of the aisle.'"

Why in the blue bloody f*ck should he have any reason to do that?


To have his hand slapped away with a comment something along the lines of "Get the hell away from me Ni-bong."
2013-01-22 09:00:41 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: DamnYankees: Cythraul: DamnYankees: Cythraul: He's no where near as liberal as I had hoped for.

Then you really should have watched yesterday. As I and many others said, it was easily the most liberal speech he's ever given.

Did he call for a completely nationalized healthcare system? An end to the war in Afghanistan starting tomorrow? Vow to cut military spending by 50%?

He has never stood for any of these things. To ask him to stand for these ideas now is absurd.

Uhh, he didn't campaign on gay rights either back before his first term, did he? But yet, here we are.


Fair enough.
2013-01-22 08:58:02 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: Cythraul: somedude210: but if you thought that in 08 he was super liberal, well that was your problem because he never came across as anything more than a left-leaning moderate pragmatist

I didn't think he was super liberal in 08. I thought he was the better of two choices, more importantly, the Non-Republican choice. Those were the options that I was given, and that's what I went with. I guess I cold have abstained.

you could've but then you'd be wasting your time. If you really want to try and shape the politics and policy, get involved. Work for campaigns, offices, run for an office. We'll support you in whatever way we can. But if you don't like the way those in power are doing things then you should always vote and if you want to do more, throw your own hat into the ring

that said, yes he is a non-Republican but he still have progressed us more than I was expecting


People often talk about their disdain for both parties, and mention of their abstention from the presidential election as a way of protesting. I'd imagine that at that point they become a part of a constituency that candidates can safely ignore.
2013-01-22 08:46:54 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: but if you thought that in 08 he was super liberal, well that was your problem because he never came across as anything more than a left-leaning moderate pragmatist


I didn't think he was super liberal in 08. I thought he was the better of two choices, more importantly, the Non-Republican choice. Those were the options that I was given, and that's what I went with. I guess I cold have abstained.
2013-01-22 08:40:02 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Cythraul: He's no where near as liberal as I had hoped for.

Then you really should have watched yesterday. As I and many others said, it was easily the most liberal speech he's ever given.


what he said.

Cythraul: Did he call for a completely nationalized healthcare system? An end to the war in Afghanistan starting tomorrow? Vow to cut military spending by 50%?


as someone who is actually working in the military and worried about not being hired as a real employee and not just a student worker, I'm torn on the military cuts. I'd be happy if super contracts (F-22 second engine, glorified mercenaries, etc) were the ones facing the cuts, but I fear that Congress, in it's infinite wisdom, will insist that internal research and development and not private contracts will be facing cuts, thus screwing me out of a job

hey look, I'm a face of the impending cuts....awesome

that said, he came out for gay rights, equal pay, and to stop with the whole absolutism crap. It was the most liberal speech he ever made.

but if you thought that in 08 he was super liberal, well that was your problem because he never came across as anything more than a left-leaning moderate pragmatist
2013-01-22 08:15:09 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: Cythraul: I didn't watch it. I"m tired of watching him speak. Even though I voted for the guy and agree with a lot of his policies, he irritates me these days.

may one ask why?


He's no where near as liberal as I had hoped for.
2013-01-22 08:14:15 AM
1 votes:

Cythraul: I didn't watch it. I"m tired of watching him speak. Even though I voted for the guy and agree with a lot of his policies, he irritates me these days.


may one ask why?
 
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