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(News.com.au)   US researchers have discovered another thing that can hinder a child's development through anxiety. Marking assignments in red pen   (news.com.au) divider line 113
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2013-01-21 11:55:46 PM  
What a fascinating study and thoughtful article on a topic that's only been written and re-written about for the last decade or so. I look forward to the follow-up article next year in which it's suggested that marking assignments in red pen can cause anxiety in children, thereby hindering their development, and all of the fresh and very insightful commentary it creates.
 
2013-01-22 12:04:12 AM  
RED pen is bad for children's development. Or so say US researchers from University of Colorado who claim the pen colour can have a negative impact on how students feel about themselves and their teachers.

Good. Kids need to learn that self-esteem can only come from accomplishments and actual knowledge.
 
2013-01-22 12:12:03 AM  
Wont' someone think of the precious snowflakes?!?!?
 
2013-01-22 12:15:36 AM  

ArkAngel: Good. Kids need to learn that self-esteem can only come from accomplishments and actual knowledge.


this
 
2013-01-22 12:18:36 AM  
But, but, but when my little Jynnifyrr sees all that red on her spelling test, it makes her think she's done something wrong!
 
2013-01-22 12:28:37 AM  

ArkAngel: RED pen is bad for children's development. Or so say US researchers from University of Colorado who claim the pen colour can have a negative impact on how students feel about themselves and their teachers.

Good. Kids need to learn that self-esteem can only come from accomplishments and actual knowledge.


This, again.
 
2013-01-22 12:48:29 AM  
Good.

As a substitute teacher, I have  always used the red pen.

I will keep using it.
 
2013-01-22 01:41:33 AM  
I intentionally graded in red when I was a TA.  It was fun.
 
2013-01-22 01:49:58 AM  
I had a professor who graded in green because he thought it was less stressful than red, and another professor who would grade with whatever pastel gel pens his daughters had left lying around. Now, in addition to an aversion to red ink, I have an issues with green ink and pearlescent or sparkly pink and purple inks. Oh, and because my english comp professor graded in pencil, I've got issues with that too.
 
2013-01-22 02:16:28 AM  
 
2013-01-22 02:31:31 AM  
Grade in blue ink, but a staple a Burger King application to any of the little snowflakes who fail a math test.
 
2013-01-22 02:32:14 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Grade in blue ink, but a staple a Burger King application to any of the little snowflakes who fail a math test.


Dammit. Staple the application to their test. Or do it the first way, I don't care.
 
2013-01-22 02:38:20 AM  
What about kids from Asian countries where green is more stressful than red?
 
2013-01-22 03:22:13 AM  
If the kids want less red marks, they should get better grades.
 
2013-01-22 03:24:02 AM  
Instead, take the red pen and jam it in the lungs of all the parents who are raising these losers.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:15 AM  
The color of the pen is irrelevant as we had just been conditioned to know what that color implied.
If today we started using chartreuse pens as a replacement then somewhere down the road this same story would not be a about red pens but rather chartreuse ones causing the same issues.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:45 AM  
Cry me a river then build me a bridge and get over it emo kid.
 
2013-01-22 03:34:35 AM  

C18H27NO3: The color of the pen is irrelevant as we had just been conditioned to know what that color implied.
If today we started using chartreuse pens as a replacement then somewhere down the road this same story would not be a about red pens but rather chartreuse ones causing the same issues.


Bingo. This whole issue is utter horseshiat, it's just a socially conditioned response to whatever the standard "you're an idiot" pen color is. Stop using red, and you'll just move that same response to whatever color winds up being the most commonly used- red was used because it's easily available and distinct from the blue ink, black ink, or pencils used for standard writing. Bright and distinctive is a useful feature when doing corrections, so if idiots ban red, something else will emerge.  The response is just a few of being told you're an idiot via corrections, it's not a fear of the ink color itself.
 
2013-01-22 03:43:27 AM  
A red pen killed my mother and raped my father. A bottle of white out resurrected them. That's why I am a member of the church of the holy 3M corporation.

/We tithe using packs of post-its and rolls of scotch tape.
 
2013-01-22 03:47:57 AM  
I wish my boss would mark my work in red pen. Black and blue don't really stand out enough sometimes.
 
2013-01-22 03:48:28 AM  
"Hey, kid, your a dumb-ass" looks good in any color ink.

/see what I did there
 
2013-01-22 03:48:41 AM  
And here I spent my school years being upset because I was wrong, and mad at myself for not getting things right. Clearly I should have been blaming the pens all along!
 
2013-01-22 03:53:49 AM  
This study is brought to you by the letter F.
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2013-01-22 03:54:13 AM  
OK, fine. Have teachers stop using red pens to grade papers. Have them switch to blue. Oh crap. Now they feel anxiety because of that color. Alright, no worries, start using green. What? Now they are confused because green means go and the color is now making them feel bad? Fark. Hold, on, I think I have this. Start using black! No wait! That is potentially racist. How about yellow? Nope. Kids will still feel bad about that color. Aha! I have it! Tell the researchers to shove their heads up their own farking arses! Yeah, that is it.
 
2013-01-22 03:56:21 AM  

EnormousGreenRageMonster: And here I spent my school years being upset because I was wrong, and mad at myself for not getting things right. Clearly I should have been blaming the pens all along!


Nope. Blame the teacher!
 
2013-01-22 03:59:10 AM  

Mock26: Tell the researchers to shove their heads jam their alternate pen colors up their own farking arses!


FTFY.
 
2013-01-22 04:01:44 AM  

Pocket Ninja: What a fascinating study and thoughtful article on a topic that's only been written and re-written about for the last decade or so. I look forward to the follow-up article next year in which it's suggested that marking assignments in red pen can cause anxiety in children, thereby hindering their development, and all of the fresh and very insightful commentary it creates.


THIS.
 
2013-01-22 04:15:00 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If the kids want less

fewer red marks, they should get better grades.
 
2013-01-22 04:15:59 AM  

calbert: I'm not calling this a repeat, because apparently some researchers have never heard of this before, but:

PC school bans red pens to make pupils feel better Jan 23 2003

Teachers told to stop grading papers in stressful red ink. In related news, rejected TotalFark headlines to appear in kinder, gentler aquamarine Apr 3 2005

Government education study says using "aggressive" red pens to mark student's work could be harming the precious little snowflakes' psyches, suggest a hot pink or passionate mauve instead Dec 9 2008

this really needs to fall under the concept of 'common knowledge' at this point.


Researcher Ric Romero suggested using the color blue instead, which he noted was the color of the sky.
 
2013-01-22 04:18:37 AM  
So if a kid is getting "A"'s in red pen, does that harm or hurt his/her self-esteem? In other words, is it the grade itself giving the poor dear the low self esteem issues, the color of the pen, or that they're just not getting the concept of the lesson and teacher is too worried about whether the color of the pen being used to grade the exam is messing with the students' heads and not taking time to make sure all of them know what the f*ck is being taught?

Because I notice that kids who are getting A's and B's aren't having any "self-esteem" issues, no matter what color they're being graded in. Nor are the football jocks who already have enough egos for fourteen other kids.
 
2013-01-22 04:20:08 AM  
But the pen is re... *cough* re-he-he.. *clears throat* This pen is...

NAVY BLUE!
 
2013-01-22 04:22:28 AM  
One of my high school teachers graded in a red crayon so it would be bolder and the message was clear. I imagine she probably isn't doing that anymore after the snowflake effect took off.
 
2013-01-22 04:43:55 AM  
What about the kids who do their test and assignments in red pen just to annoy the teacher?
 
2013-01-22 04:47:26 AM  
Nice use of the Fail tag, btw.
 
2013-01-22 04:57:46 AM  
I can't help but think that the researchers who do these studies would be a lot more credible - and a lot more useful - if they could scientifically demonstrate an approach that works better.  Or if instead of just stopping at "it makes the kiddies anxious" they could go on to actually prove or disprove "and that makes them do worse in school".

But I also can't help but think that science journalism would be a lot more useful if it actually told us what, exactly, the study concluded, rather than trying to reinterpret the study's conclusion in terms that they think their readers will understand.  (Or rather, I suspect more accurately, in terms that the science journalist can understand.)

/To be a bit more clear, I think the U of Colorado study's conclusion may not have been accurately represented in the article.
 
2013-01-22 05:03:26 AM  

Mithiwithi: I can't help but think that the researchers who do these studies would be a lot more credible - and a lot more useful - if they could scientifically demonstrate an approach that works better.  Or if instead of just stopping at "it makes the kiddies anxious" they could go on to actually prove or disprove "and that makes them do worse in school".

But I also can't help but think that science journalism would be a lot more useful if it actually told us what, exactly, the study concluded, rather than trying to reinterpret the study's conclusion in terms that they think their readers will understand.  (Or rather, I suspect more accurately, in terms that the science journalist can understand.)

/To be a bit more clear, I think the U of Colorado study's conclusion may not have been accurately represented in the article.


Obligatory:

blogs.discovermagazine.com
 
2013-01-22 05:06:27 AM  

cptjeff: Mock26: Tell the researchers to shove their heads jam their alternate pen colors up their own farking arses!

FTFY.


Why not have them do both?
 
2013-01-22 05:09:41 AM  
Arterial blood.
 
2013-01-22 05:16:38 AM  
farking up a homework assignment or exam should give students a bit of anxiety. ink color is irrelevant.
 
2013-01-22 05:30:44 AM  
Is this another thread where conservatives rail against science, and reject improvements in methodology because "That ain't the way I done it!" in favor of torturing children?

I thought so.
 
2013-01-22 05:32:13 AM  
It's like people don't even remember that school was 99% bullshiat.
 
2013-01-22 05:37:51 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Grade in blue ink, but a staple a Burger King application to any of the little snowflakes who fail a math test.


I get why that's done, but there's nothing wrong with fast food employment while you're in school, or as a short term income means if necessary. Some chains offer scholarships to longer-term employees, as well as very flexible hours for college students. It's not glamorous work, but it's work.

Besides, kids who don't give a shiat aren't going to work at all; they're going to end up on the dole, which is fine by them because working is for chumps who don't have an Xbox.
 
2013-01-22 05:42:33 AM  

lewismarktwo: It's like people don't even remember that school was 99% bullshiat.


You mean the macaroni picture I made with glitter in it for the LGBT-Inuit-American Appreciation Assembly wasn't a viable life skill?

That the Partcipition Trofy we all won for the Spilling Bee is bogus?
 
2013-01-22 06:13:28 AM  

TorqueToad: Pocket Ninja: What a fascinating study and thoughtful article on a topic that's only been written and re-written about for the last decade or so. I look forward to the follow-up article next year in which it's suggested that marking assignments in red pen can cause anxiety in children, thereby hindering their development, and all of the fresh and very insightful commentary it creates.

THIS.


Well you see, when these researchers were kids their assignments were marked in red ink. This hindered their intellectual development and rendered them incapable of coming up with original research topics.
 
2013-01-22 06:34:26 AM  
That's why I use cigarette burns for the poor-performing students, and vigorous locker room rogering for the top-performing students.
 
2013-01-22 06:43:17 AM  
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Uh, oh!
 
2013-01-22 06:43:53 AM  
Does it help or hurt if the instructor refers to it as their 'red saber of truth and justice'?

/actually had a professor who did
//the anxiety had nothing to do with the color and everything to do with the fact he would use it to rip your work to shreds
///still one of my favorite professors
 
2013-01-22 06:48:15 AM  
Clearly they should use crowns instead. Ones made of real pressed bunson.

You know it's pressed bunson.

www.hrwiki.org
 
2013-01-22 07:01:42 AM  

C18H27NO3: The color of the pen is irrelevant as we had just been conditioned to know what that color implied.
If today we started using chartreuse pens as a replacement then somewhere down the road this same story would not be a about red pens but rather chartreuse ones causing the same issues.


And yet we fail to understand why some people think all black people are bad and all brown people a terrorists.
 
2013-01-22 07:02:11 AM  
A similar study with the exact same conclusions came out when I was in high school. When we asked a teacher about it, she that even student teachers were taught to consider using different colors for grading assignments when she was in school, 10 years before that. This definitely not news.

/Red makes it easy to see where you screwed up
//A clean paper with a big red "A+" is still beautiful
///Slashies!
 
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