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(Toronto Star)   Scientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"   (thestar.com) divider line 68
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2013-01-22 01:25:05 AM
5 votes:
t1.gstatic.com
2013-01-22 01:16:35 AM
4 votes:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.
2013-01-22 12:46:11 AM
4 votes:
Skrillex is great, sometimes. I love finely-crafted dubstep. It's harder to get right than people think. Surely it's easier than playing a violin or something because that's manual not digital manipulation.

I like Skrillex, I like wubs, I like indie, I like speed metal, I like classical, and I like bands like CCR too. I even have a particular persuasion towards Gregorian Chant.

/i'm young too
//while most of my generation is not as varied
///many of us are
2013-01-22 12:51:35 AM
3 votes:
"It found 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16."
"Conversely, 12-year-olds who listened to R&B, rock, punk and techno showed no rebellious behaviour at the younger age, but did when they got to age 16."


heh.

Interesting that the researchers -- and the article writer -- felt fit to actually differentiate between the two. You don't normally see that in media.

Of course, it's still not certain what criteria they're using. When they say techno, do they mean actual Detroit techno or everything else that they've been mislabelling as techno for the past 20 years? ....and which genre of trance? The trippy psychedelic goa stuff or the anthemic euro disney cheese stuff?


Of course, the REAL problem with attributing delinquency with music taste is the fact that 12 year olds are about as experienced in music as they are in sex. At age 12 and under, the two most dominant musical influences tend to be family (parents early on, and older siblings later) and media (television/radio). 12 year olds don't really have a standard of comparison to know what they like and don't like so they always sponge off whatever is exposed to them in their limited social spheres (home/school). Pop music is VERY accessible to 12 year olds because it is the most digestible -- it is simple, shallow pap with easily understandable lyrics and sing-a-long melodies. Children cling to it as they would their training wheels when they first learn to ride a bike.

At age 16, a child's music choices broaden thanks to larger/more social circles (high school, sports, activities, parties/dances, etc.) but they are still no better off when they were 12 and most of them haven't developed their own musical identity yet (a lot of teenagers haven't even found themselves much less their favorite music). Pop/Top40 is always the null hypothesis.

The age at which someone is actually mature enough to leave the nest of commercial music and strike out for their own eclectic niches typically starts happening around 17-20. Almost always culminates with leaving home/school to go to college. They discover underground subcultures, experiment with drugs, go to clubs/bars once they reach drinking age, learn about zines and scenes and indie bands, and they become a goth/punk/raver/metalhead/rivethead/hipster/geek/etc... and partake in the musical anthems endemic to those scenes.

So it's not an honest experiment. Too many social factors at work and adolescence is a very volatile period to make any blanket psychological assertions.
2013-01-22 12:33:21 AM
3 votes:
If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.
2013-01-22 10:15:31 AM
2 votes:

Ishkur: It's like you're knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.

How on Earth do you do that?



It's a surprisingly easy mix of ADD and being heavily anti-scenester. (I don't have the attention span to be bothered with the history of the scene, and I find people, who 'dork to the max' over the finest of magazine-article-fabricated historical nuances of the scene, to be utter bores with very little to add to my already overcrowded train of thought. I enjoy very much indeed parodying that persona at parties, falsely correcting peoples scenester-babble-rants, usually much to the amusement of others, though seldom to the scenester.

You talk with the magazine-educated wordage of the seasoned scenester. I genuinely have the image of you being a scene magazine article writer. For you are the Guardian of Music Historical Fact.

When I play, I avoid guys like you at all costs. All you want to do is talk about monologue on the scene. All I do is write the techbubbleprogtosh that I, me, want to dance to. I occasionally play some in front of other people in exchange for some k, beer and weed. My techbubbleprogtosh has many roots, none of which I actively applied. No deeper layers, just the techbubbleprogtosh that gets brainfarted through my current setup. Some people dance to it. No you can't get a copy. Not yours.
2013-01-22 02:10:07 AM
2 votes:
Hey, sup dawgs. Somebody holla?

rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
2013-01-22 01:20:10 AM
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a type of bacteria that builds up on the bottom of a sewer pipe near a funeral home.

also the main ingredient in Deadmau5.
2013-01-22 01:18:47 AM
2 votes:
Say what you will, but tell me this isn't a beautiful piece of music. Link
It's one of Skrillex's song transcribed and played on piano. It gave me pause, and I realize it's not all random sounds thrown together. Do listen to the link.
2013-01-22 01:09:45 AM
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a type of pesticide they spray on hipsters to get rid of lice.
2013-01-22 01:04:19 AM
2 votes:
It's a study from professor at a university in The Netherlands, so I imagine they followed Dutch children. After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.

If I had to garner a guess, media seemed pretty tightly controlled there. If your taste in music wasn't represented, you would have to go out of your way to find it and it seemed the peers and authorities took notice of it too. Perhaps that indicates the more rebellious nature of the individual? I don't know.

A completely anecdotal example: My Dutch boss was a big fan of 80s pop, especially Michael Jackson. If he found out anyone like things like metal or rap or the like, he'd either ask about it, an almost confrontational manner, or make a remark to others about how "weird" it was. It seems almost like it was setting up for trouble.

I also met some of the die-hardest metal heads there too, they'd travel all summer for the various festivals in Germany and elsewhere.
2013-01-22 01:00:53 AM
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's the maritime equivalent of a venereal disease....it get's on the bottom of your hull and slowly eats away at the waste port until it reaches the head.
2013-01-22 12:54:50 AM
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's like a George Foreman grill that over cooks everything till it's inedible.
2013-01-22 12:47:24 AM
2 votes:
Hey, man, it's farking hard for teenagers to have rebellious music these days.  "Melody" has been used up, as has "rhythm," and that bastard Paul Simon even stole *actual* African music.  So they went electronic with the oontz oontz oontz and then now there's 40-year-olds like me enjoying Underworld and The Orb.  What is a teenager to do?  THERE'S NOTHING FREAKING LEFT!

Or is there?  What if we took music and just started throwing in random noise?  What if we took a normal electronic track and threw it down three flights of stairs?  The old people will HATE IT!!!!

Well now... now we have something going on!  It will truly piss off the oldsters.  Huzzah!
2013-01-22 12:42:06 AM
2 votes:
Oblig:

30.media.tumblr.com
2013-01-22 12:33:51 AM
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of sausage for vegetarians
2013-01-22 12:31:43 AM
2 votes:
Nah, I'm old now and I still listen to angry rebellious music.

Don't trust anyone over 60!
2013-01-21 08:59:39 PM
2 votes:
And then one day you're in the grocery store and realize they are playing Scorp's "Big City Nights" on the PA.

/csb
2013-01-22 06:33:35 PM
1 votes:

JungleBoogie: 1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit
2) Newcleus - Jam On It
3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia
But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.
Dubstep:
1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped


And here we come to the BIGGEST problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

There are no original dubstep tracks. All dubstep is a violent invasion and takeover of an already existing pop hit. Dubstep cannot create, it can only corrupt. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.
2013-01-22 01:17:20 PM
1 votes:

JungleBoogie: Seems kind of reminiscent of the 80's techno music scene:

1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit

2) Newcleus - Jam On It

3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia

But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.

Dubstep:

1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped

2) (Note: very loud): Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites, Skrillex

And there seem to be various sub-flavors of dubstep, per the above links.


I've never been much for techno or any of its spin-offs, but I have to admit that one's pretty engaging. Has almost a metal vibe, and being a metalhead that resonates with me.

Truth be told I'd otherwise never pay attention to Skrillex. The name alone makes me thing of some sort of cooking infomercial.

"Just coat your pan in Skrillex and the eggs just slide right off!"

But that track is pretty cool.
2013-01-22 12:49:04 PM
1 votes:

blue_2501: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]

If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300][2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360][reinspired.files.wordpress.com image 320x240][www.romston.com image 640x384]

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids


Never heard of Aphex Twin until I saw the Rubber Johnny video. I was hooked.
2013-01-22 12:36:01 PM
1 votes:

blue_2501: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]

If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300][2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360][reinspired.files.wordpress.com image 320x240][www.romston.com image 640x384]

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids


yeah the Come To Daddy video has to be one of the best ever made in the medium. Window Licker is pretty amazing as well.
2013-01-22 12:29:15 PM
1 votes:

theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

www.artrocker.tv2.bp.blogspot.com
i.ytimg.comreinspired.files.wordpress.comwww.romston.com

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids
2013-01-22 10:29:02 AM
1 votes:

uttertosh: Ishkur: It's like you're knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.

How on Earth do you do that?


It's a surprisingly easy mix of ADD and being heavily anti-scenester. (I don't have the attention span to be bothered with the history of the scene, and I find people, who 'dork to the max' over the finest of magazine-article-fabricated historical nuances of the scene, to be utter bores with very little to add to my already overcrowded train of thought. I enjoy very much indeed parodying that persona at parties, falsely correcting peoples scenester-babble-rants, usually much to the amusement of others, though seldom to the scenester.

You talk with the magazine-educated wordage of the seasoned scenester. I genuinely have the image of you being a scene magazine article writer. For you are the Guardian of Music Historical Fact.

When I play, I avoid guys like you at all costs. All you want to do is talk about monologue on the scene. All I do is write the techbubbleprogtosh that I, me, want to dance to. I occasionally play some in front of other people in exchange for some k, beer and weed. My techbubbleprogtosh has many roots, none of which I actively applied. No deeper layers, just the techbubbleprogtosh that gets brainfarted through my current setup. Some people dance to it. No you can't get a copy. Not yours.


I like the way you think. Some of the best music I've ever heard is just one guy doing his own thing, for himself.
2013-01-22 09:43:03 AM
1 votes:
Not a condemnation on anything/anyone but I think it would be interesting to take say B. B. King and not only show him how jazz evolved but how it lead to stuff like Skrillex

/not a fan of dubsep
//or rap or modern country wanna be pop stars with a southern accent
///fan of pretty much everything else
////though it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing ;)
2013-01-22 09:12:41 AM
1 votes:
A friend of mine in college had a roommate he constantly fought with.

His roommate liked to listen to loud, angry metal music at ridiculous volumes.

One day my friend engaged him in conversation about his music tastes and said something to the effect of,

FRIEND: "That's some pretty angry music."

ROOMMATE: "Yeah, it's *whateverstupidband*, great huh?"

FRIEND: "So... are you angry at your zits?"

From that day forth, that type of music was known as "angry at my zits" music.
2013-01-22 08:59:32 AM
1 votes:

StrangeQ:
Have you stopped and listened to yourself lately?


I thought I made my intent perfectly clear by callin Skrillex the aspergers lovechild of Kraftwerk and Buju freakin Banton, ffs. Got the desired result from Mr. Scene and his Amazingly Dorky Music History Knowledge, though.

/was around when 2step was getting the chicks back into clubs just fine.
//has been writing intelligent dance music since before it was described that way.
///shameless self unpromoter. No, I won't let you hear any. Not yours.
//Glasgows Morphy got me writing on a 303,101,202,606, hr16 when we were both 16.
/Suck the left one, it's lumpier.
2013-01-22 07:45:10 AM
1 votes:
i must be an exception. i've always listened to hard rock and heavy metal. when i was young it was mostly hair metal like bon jovi and warrant, but by the time i left high school i listened to fear factory, marilyn manson, pantera, whatever. these days i've even crossed into death metal but mostly i listen to mainstream metal like lamb of god and machine head.

and i've never been rebellious or a problem for my parents. i graduated high school and college with honors, i've never been arrested, i don't do drugs or even drink alcohol. i can't think of a single argument i've ever had with my parents. i was a polite, well-mannered teenager for the most part.
2013-01-22 07:34:29 AM
1 votes:

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.

Shoulda told me this earlier. I have tons of oldskool EBM and Belgian New Beat. Bigod 20, Nitzer Ebb, Blancmange, Skinny Puppy, Voltage Control, KMFDM, Art of Noise, Frontline Assembly, Apoptygma Bezerk, Cubanate, Hate Dept., Wumpscutt, Acumen Nation, Haujobb, Die Krupps, Icon of Coil, Public Relations, Force Legato, Matrixx, Clan of Xymox, Lords of Acid, Amnesia, Umo Detic, Tribe 22, Assemblage 23, The Overlords, VNV Nation.... off the top of my head.

(that should keep you busy)


Know a lot of those too...Skinny Puppy was an obsession of mine for years but there's a few there I missed.

Like I said, music taste all over the place. I have a lot of folk, old time radio, new wave, glam rock, Korean and Japanese pop, metal, etc etc , and you couldn't give me a techno suggestion that I wouldn't give a try.
2013-01-22 06:59:37 AM
1 votes:

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Chicane, Balligomingo, daft punk, Autechre, some Orb, Beaumont Hannant ( but not a big Husik fan), Bill Laswell of most types, Talvin Singh, Balil, some Red Cell...you mentioned IDM up there, I guess I'm generally an IDM/ambient/trance fan.


Alright, well the tricky part is all these acts you listed were doing different music at different points in their careers. Chicane is primarily a trance/pop act but tracks like Saltwater and Offshore -- his biggest hits -- are pure Balearic bliss (which isn't so much a genre as it is a mood). You probably already have those.

Same with Daft Punk. I like to call their Homework era "Chicago House Daft Punk", their Discovery era "New York Garage Daft Punk" and their Human After All era "Detroit Electro Daft Punk"... so it depends whether you stand on the disco loop side of things or the robot rock side of things. And Bill Laswell has been producing music for 30 years. I'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific.

Same with Autechre, "some" Orb... IDM/ambient/trance, eh? Hmmm.... I don't know how deep your knowledge of these genres are, so if I go off about some act you already know about, please excuse my condescension. I just want to cover all the bases. I will assume that you have at least a rudimentary level of knowledge so I won't just be obvious and pick everything off Warp Records (I trust you have Richard D. James' Selected Ambient Works already, right?). I'm all about finding hidden and obscure stuff that's often overlooked.

If you don't mind oldskool stuff, and don't mind something interesting and somewhat avant-garde, give Manuel Göttsching - E2-E4 a test spin. It's from the early 80s but incredibly ahead of its time and it inspired a lot of the early Detroit and Ambient guys. That is, if you trust my expertise.

Moving forward, I recommend Boards of Canada, especially Music Has the Right to Children, their seminal 97 analog ambient techno masterpiece. They use genuine oldskool analog synths (like, from the 70s) in their work, to give it a very nostalgia feel. Their follow up, Geogaddi is more IDM than ambient if you like the more abrasive Squarepusher side of things. And their last album, The Campfire Headphase, returns to their ambient techno roots and uses a lot of organic instrumentation especially acoustic guitar. I once listened to one of their tracks, Peacock Tail, nonstop for 7 straight hours at work, just looping it over and over again. It was one of those kind of days.

(if you already know about the Boards disregard everything I just said).

Moving forward into more pure downtempo and ambient, I can not push this guy enough: Solar Fields. This guy has yet to make a bad track so pick any album at random and it's good (but get all of them, really. I especially recommend Movements). Everything he touches is solid gold. He is primarily the reason why forensic montages in crime shows always have that downtempo, faux-IDM background music. It's not his (they actually have an in-house producer to do it), but its a total style-biter.

What else? Oh yeah: Ulrich Schnauss. Ambient breaks. Good breakup music (that is, if you want to revel in your misery).... this is utterly beautiful.

Do you like the Psy scene at all (no, not the Korean dork.... psychedelic trance...formerly goa)? It's all about Hindu and Middle Eastern sounds and references which you might be into if you like Talvin Singh. The Psy scene has been making some EXCELLENT downtempo the last 10 years, and I won't list the easy ones like Shpongle and go straight to my personal fav: Asura! I recommend 360. Give it a try, and if you like it, get more.

Speedy J - The G Spot. Mostly a techno and acid album, but I like his Fill series for some great ambient goodness.

Banco de Gaia. A legend in the ambient scene. Kind of hit or miss sometimes, I prefer his older stuff, but feel free to explore at your leisure.

I guess that's enough for now. If you don't like any of these or it isn't what you're looking for, come back to me with more info and we'll go further and deeper. We've only scratched the surface here. I also don't want you to take everything I say as gospel. These are all suggestions, but you can use the Discogs Recommendations panel to find other similar sounding artists and labels, and I fully encourage you to do this. Go exploring! Find some buried treasure!! Music isn't about accepting whatever comes down the pipe of whatever station you're on, it's about going off on your own, finding your own heroes, do some research, branch out, search for new moods, new styles and new ideas.

I hope this helps. Reply if you have any questions or comments.
2013-01-22 06:59:09 AM
1 votes:
Semi/not very related note.

I like how even country music is stealing from electronic music now. My new job blasts country all day and I heard Mumford and Sons "I will wait" for the first time the other day.

Take the drums out and replace it with a unce-unce beat, and its a trance anthem suitable for any rave..

Good song, just made me chuckle at the idea of "Country trance"
2013-01-22 06:50:10 AM
1 votes:

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Insurgent: Pearson Sound vs Rod Lee - Let Me See What U Workin With (Refix)

that one is sure to piss yr parents off.

Sounds to me like the musical equivalent of antiperspirant ...dry and squidgy


that was meant as an example of loud bass.

you say you like daft punk? there's a ton of shiat daft punk spawned. not to mention thomas bangalter's solo work. see:

Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You

Thomas Bangalter - What To Do

Le Knight Club - Chérie D'Amoure

Crydajam - Loaded

in closing, homework is the best daft punk album
2013-01-22 06:49:27 AM
1 votes:

Ishkur: Insurgent: i'm a big fan of disco and french house.

my alma mater. It's gotta have a groove, it's gotta be funky. I think that's one of the things that's so offensive about dubstep -- it's the most flat, uninteresting, unfunky cracker-ass cracker music to ever be sequenced.


I agree with the dull part, but the silver lining will be when the fans discover or create better music. Maybe dub step is like an evolutionary move backwards that allows for a new punctuated jump forward that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Or maybe it'll just fade to be some 60 year olds guilty pleasure in 40 years.
2013-01-22 06:21:41 AM
1 votes:
Still hate wiggers blasting whatever they heck the blast at 150 decibels. I return the favor by playing ride of the Valkyries through my 120 watt PA system.
The elk bugle is also a favorite.
/get off my pasture
2013-01-22 06:12:32 AM
1 votes:
man it's a shame most americans only exposure to dubstep is skrillex. america ruined it.

i recall reading an interview with benga where he basically admitted that he had a hand in spawning it.

is there a dubstep remix for mr. oizo's flat beat yet? i'm too afraid to google it.
2013-01-22 04:32:06 AM
1 votes:

Ishkur: uttertosh: then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.

Dubstep came from the UK Garage scene. It's direct antecedent was 2-step. In the early period they called it dark garage..... it had a lot of bass, and yes, a lot of wub (hence the name, though it didn't directly have anything to do with Jamaican dub proper, it's like a step-cousin). It was a rubbery liquid sound that seemed to really find favor with users of disassociatives, especially Ketamine (it makes your legs rubbery, which is perfect for that kind of music).

After about 2006 it started picking up influences (and a lot of influences came from dubstep -- for instance, grime), the most direct influence coming from Ed Bangar-style filthy, glitchy squealing electro house (which was spawned off of early 00s Swedish House), and Tiger Beat Records style Glitch house cf. Kid606 which was ONLY popular because Vice Magazine wrote about it a lot so all their shows kept attracting an unhealthy clientele of hipsters.

Around about 2008, these twin forces -- glitch and electro house -- grabbed dubstep, dragged it behind an alleyway and violently anal raped it no less than 23 times. In the process, Dubstep dropped the bass, jacked up the mid range (primarily because most people's listening devices are earbuds or crappy laptop speakers so what's the point delivering bass they can't hear), kept the wub but applied it to screeching, squelching synth lines and this attracted the unsavory frathouse crowd who were already into the electro stuff anyway....and before long they were calling this mutant offspring "brostep" which is, in no uncertain terms, absolutely hideous. And then Skrillex comes along, harkening the death of dubstep, at least in the underground.

There. Now fark off and stop polluting the threat with your ignorant drivel.


i had no idea you are the same dude that made the music guide.

first off, thank you for introducing me to:

amanda lear - follow me
the ones - flawless

i'm a big fan of disco and french house.

whenever i hit up a dubstep room on turntable.fm i always play todd edwards. it typically ends well.

mj cole's remix of "i might be" usually works too. i prefer smooth big bass rather than that abrasive saw bass shiat. looking at you, skrillex.

i could discuss all the nuances for hours, but i should probably sleep soon.

in short, this guy knows what he's talking about. fellow farkers listen up.
2013-01-22 04:14:25 AM
1 votes:

dynomutt: Oh, don't be so hard on Screechex

/I still haven't figured out the deal with numbers in the names though... Dead-maw-five?


The 5 is an S because it looks like one.

/but you probably knew that....
2013-01-22 04:04:21 AM
1 votes:

lolpix: Skrillex is new school dubstep. It involves a lot of high pitch screeching and some wub wub wub.


Ah. Republicans. Got it. Thanks.
2013-01-22 03:26:38 AM
1 votes:

uttertosh: then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.


Dubstep came from the UK Garage scene. It's direct antecedent was 2-step. In the early period they called it dark garage..... it had a lot of bass, and yes, a lot of wub (hence the name, though it didn't directly have anything to do with Jamaican dub proper, it's like a step-cousin). It was a rubbery liquid sound that seemed to really find favor with users of disassociatives, especially Ketamine (it makes your legs rubbery, which is perfect for that kind of music).

After about 2006 it started picking up influences (and a lot of influences came from dubstep -- for instance, grime), the most direct influence coming from Ed Bangar-style filthy, glitchy squealing electro house (which was spawned off of early 00s Swedish House), and Tiger Beat Records style Glitch house cf. Kid606 which was ONLY popular because Vice Magazine wrote about it a lot so all their shows kept attracting an unhealthy clientele of hipsters.

Around about 2008, these twin forces -- glitch and electro house -- grabbed dubstep, dragged it behind an alleyway and violently anal raped it no less than 23 times. In the process, Dubstep dropped the bass, jacked up the mid range (primarily because most people's listening devices are earbuds or crappy laptop speakers so what's the point delivering bass they can't hear), kept the wub but applied it to screeching, squelching synth lines and this attracted the unsavory frathouse crowd who were already into the electro stuff anyway....and before long they were calling this mutant offspring "brostep" which is, in no uncertain terms, absolutely hideous. And then Skrillex comes along, harkening the death of dubstep, at least in the underground.

There. Now fark off and stop polluting the threat with your ignorant drivel.
2013-01-22 03:01:19 AM
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theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


I've been cK1'ing to Aphex since the mid 90's. I Think Skrillex is awesome stuff.

No, seriously. They're related by genre, in as much as the Twin's 'genre' is self-defining, spanning styles from acid/breakbeat rave right up to the point where you can audibly trace the evolution of the musicalDNA of dubstep, just by listening. Dubstep, much like it's tougher older brother Techstep, have roots in tecno, D&B, Jungle, rave and acid, but has dancehall reggae and dub chromosomes stitched in there.

Think Kraftwerk and Buju Banton's aspergers lovechild. Skrillex. pass the cK1, mate.
2013-01-22 02:20:35 AM
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drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.


It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.
2013-01-22 01:52:41 AM
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TheHumanCannonball: After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.


This. The Netherlands has a reputation in the US as being easy going and liberal, based solely on their tolerance of private drug use and prostitution. But they're actually extremely conservative in a lot of odd ways. They just have a different way of being conservative.

/like boiling food until it turns to mush
//and being polite to their elders, at least the years I was there
2013-01-22 01:49:42 AM
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Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


I thought it was a brand of non-stick cookware.
2013-01-22 01:47:39 AM
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drateR: I guess that depends on how much you want to explain the differences.


Well.... do you have anything to do tomorrow? ...ideally, I'd like you to stay in the thread and keep refreshing for the next 6 or 7 hours.

Conversely, I can just give you the short-paragraph Cole's Notes on each right now.

drateR: If there really is any.


Yes. There is.

drateR: I kinda think all are under the umbrella of "techno", but I'm old.


That would be wrong. Techno is one thing. Trance is another thing. Dubstep is another thing. They're three entirely different things and about the only thing in common between them is that they're all made electronically (sequences and synthesizers n such).
2013-01-22 01:47:07 AM
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May I recommend kaskades remix of scary monsters nice sprites? It's amazing how he turned that fowl sounding track into something so beautiful.

/don't really care for skrillex, but he does have a few catchy songs that play great in the car. They make me feel young.
//same for dubstep in general: a few good tracks but most is garbage
2013-01-22 01:45:16 AM
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And for the record, I like great and horrible music! Arvo Part, Neil Diamond, Butthole Surfers, SUNN, Jimmy Scott...but these were (and are) originals...
2013-01-22 01:40:19 AM
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Haliburton Cummings: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

it's the sound an accountants farts make while he/she/it is wrapping chicken in tinfoil.

also the main ingredient in crap brand hipster sauce.

not to be confused with "skreeeeeeeeeeeeet!"


Hipsters don't listen to Skrillex. Skrillex 100% MTV consumable frathouse music.
2013-01-22 01:37:21 AM
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I don't know if I was ever particularly rebellious... but I like to sit quietly and listen to technical grindcore. It's wonderfully jazzy.
2013-01-22 01:37:15 AM
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Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's the sound an accountants farts make while he/she/it is wrapping chicken in tinfoil.

also the main ingredient in crap brand hipster sauce.

not to be confused with "skreeeeeeeeeeeeet!"
2013-01-22 01:36:57 AM
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Seems kind of reminiscent of the 80's techno music scene:

1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit

2) Newcleus - Jam On It

3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia

But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.

Dubstep:

1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped

2) (Note: very loud): Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites, Skrillex

And there seem to be various sub-flavors of dubstep, per the above links.
2013-01-22 01:35:39 AM
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Bedstead Polisher: Ok. I have to ask. There are 12 year olds that listen to jazz???


I was listening to Ornette Coleman when I was 11 and briefly locked up when I was 12. I am of the opinion good jazz leads to delinquency.
2013-01-22 01:32:08 AM
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When I was 12, circa 1986, a friend gave me two TDK D-90 cassette tapes that he "taped off his brother's record player." One contained the entirety of Pink Floyd's "The Wall." The other had Rush "Moving Pictures" on side one and Iron Maiden "Number of the Beast" on side two.

I like to think that it was the greatest gift an almost-teen boy in 1986 could possibly have received, except maybe having puberty suddenly grow his dong to epic proportions.
2013-01-22 01:27:52 AM
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Dedmon: Say what you will, but tell me this isn't a beautiful piece of music. Link
It's one of Skrillex's song transcribed and played on piano. It gave me pause, and I realize it's not all random sounds thrown together. Do listen to the link.


He's got some great parts and pieces, he just puts them together in a really sloppy way. High energy, but low craft. Although I just described Nirvana, and when I was 14-ish that was what I listened to. So I'm officially Just Too Old for Skrillex.

Teach that guy some music theory, and he'd really be something. Give him a few years/ albums and we'll see.
2013-01-22 01:18:53 AM
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jtown: I wish I could find that strip where Calvin is playing Easy Listening music on his record player while his parents are retching in the background. "I play it real quiet, too."


There it is. I was wrong about his parents being in this strip.

chzmusic.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-22 01:15:49 AM
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Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of antidepressant they give to people who are so insecure about their own lack of good taste that they chew strangers fingernails on subway platforms while contemplating suicide.

also one of the main ingredients in a brand of vegetarian sausage.
2013-01-22 01:13:45 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


One of the 40 something programmers I work with discovered dubstep recently.

He really likes to code to it.

Can't say I disagree. I like to code to classical or techno or dubstep. Just something that doesn't have to many lyrics so I don't lose my train of thought and focus on the lyrics.

Of course I also like Carolina Chocolate Drops, Johnny Cash, Tom Waits, Louis Prima, Disturbed, Caravan Palace, Chingon, Gogol Bordello, Metallica, Gaelic Storm, Weird Al. I wish I could stream Pandora at work.

The only thing I don't really like is the new Country Pop crap.
2013-01-22 01:00:20 AM
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I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

images.theage.com.au
2013-01-22 12:58:40 AM
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Over the Christmas holiday I spoke of not knowing what dubstep is/was. I was summarily laughed at by my younger brother and his friend. Do I qualify for an onion belt yet?
2013-01-22 12:55:30 AM
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Skrillex has some stuff that is a bit out there but he also has some stuff that is friggin' awesome. "Goin' In- Goin Hard Mix" is tits. Bangarang, Kyoto, Cinema...all really good stuff
2013-01-22 12:55:00 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.
2013-01-22 12:54:53 AM
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HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.


Goths are usually polite and quiet (though not extremely) even at concerts these days. The ones who are obnoxious and loud are part of those fun subgenres of Goth like Cybergoth (happy go lucky people who demand the DJ plays "happier music", wears tubes in their hair, lots of neon colors, probably is on a drug or two, and listens to slightly "darker" versions of techno music; makes me in awe how that part of the scene mainly took over alot of the clubs and the subculture still survives despite of them).
2013-01-22 12:50:53 AM
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Remember when musicians actually played instruments and had to have talent before they became "famous"?

/Yeah, I'm old too.
2013-01-22 12:47:36 AM
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When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.
2013-01-22 12:36:28 AM
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SubbyScientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"

This study sponsored by the Belt Onion Association of America
2013-01-22 12:34:47 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft untalented douche.


ftf everyone
2013-01-22 12:34:15 AM
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Skrillex is new school dubstep. It involves a lot of high pitch screeching and some wub wub wub.
2013-01-22 12:33:25 AM
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Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

The Fish Cheer & I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag
Country Joe
2013-01-22 12:31:45 AM
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At first I was like, "Is this the Daily Mail?" And then I was like, "Oh, it's the Star."
 
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