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(Toronto Star)   Scientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"   (thestar.com) divider line 238
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2013-01-21 08:59:39 PM  
And then one day you're in the grocery store and realize they are playing Scorp's "Big City Nights" on the PA.

/csb
 
2013-01-22 12:03:44 AM  
We asked Star readers what they were to listening to when they were 12.

I think the only stuff I heard at 12 was the stuff my mom listened to: Abba, The Village People and Jim Neighbors. When I went over to a neighbor kid's house one day and his older brother played "Should I Stay or Should I Go" and "Another One Bites the Dust" I really didn't know what to make of them.

Unsurprisingly I didn't get into any trouble with the law as a teen.
 
2013-01-22 12:31:43 AM  
Nah, I'm old now and I still listen to angry rebellious music.

Don't trust anyone over 60!
 
2013-01-22 12:31:45 AM  
At first I was like, "Is this the Daily Mail?" And then I was like, "Oh, it's the Star."
 
2013-01-22 12:32:12 AM  
What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?
 
2013-01-22 12:33:21 AM  
If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.
 
2013-01-22 12:33:25 AM  
Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

The Fish Cheer & I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag
Country Joe
 
2013-01-22 12:33:51 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of sausage for vegetarians
 
2013-01-22 12:33:56 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


Dubstep. Or so I've heard. I've been really out of the electronic music scene for the past 15 years or so.
 
2013-01-22 12:34:15 AM  
Skrillex is new school dubstep. It involves a lot of high pitch screeching and some wub wub wub.
 
2013-01-22 12:34:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft untalented douche.


ftf everyone
 
2013-01-22 12:35:01 AM  
Subby:
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 12:36:28 AM  
SubbyScientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"

This study sponsored by the Belt Onion Association of America
 
2013-01-22 12:41:54 AM  
I'm still waiting for the Stooges "I Wanna Be Your Dog" to be turned into Musack.
 
2013-01-22 12:42:06 AM  
Oblig:

30.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 12:46:11 AM  
Skrillex is great, sometimes. I love finely-crafted dubstep. It's harder to get right than people think. Surely it's easier than playing a violin or something because that's manual not digital manipulation.

I like Skrillex, I like wubs, I like indie, I like speed metal, I like classical, and I like bands like CCR too. I even have a particular persuasion towards Gregorian Chant.

/i'm young too
//while most of my generation is not as varied
///many of us are
 
2013-01-22 12:47:24 AM  
Hey, man, it's farking hard for teenagers to have rebellious music these days.  "Melody" has been used up, as has "rhythm," and that bastard Paul Simon even stole *actual* African music.  So they went electronic with the oontz oontz oontz and then now there's 40-year-olds like me enjoying Underworld and The Orb.  What is a teenager to do?  THERE'S NOTHING FREAKING LEFT!

Or is there?  What if we took music and just started throwing in random noise?  What if we took a normal electronic track and threw it down three flights of stairs?  The old people will HATE IT!!!!

Well now... now we have something going on!  It will truly piss off the oldsters.  Huzzah!
 
2013-01-22 12:47:36 AM  
When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.
 
2013-01-22 12:50:53 AM  
Remember when musicians actually played instruments and had to have talent before they became "famous"?

/Yeah, I'm old too.
 
2013-01-22 12:51:35 AM  
"It found 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16."
"Conversely, 12-year-olds who listened to R&B, rock, punk and techno showed no rebellious behaviour at the younger age, but did when they got to age 16."


heh.

Interesting that the researchers -- and the article writer -- felt fit to actually differentiate between the two. You don't normally see that in media.

Of course, it's still not certain what criteria they're using. When they say techno, do they mean actual Detroit techno or everything else that they've been mislabelling as techno for the past 20 years? ....and which genre of trance? The trippy psychedelic goa stuff or the anthemic euro disney cheese stuff?


Of course, the REAL problem with attributing delinquency with music taste is the fact that 12 year olds are about as experienced in music as they are in sex. At age 12 and under, the two most dominant musical influences tend to be family (parents early on, and older siblings later) and media (television/radio). 12 year olds don't really have a standard of comparison to know what they like and don't like so they always sponge off whatever is exposed to them in their limited social spheres (home/school). Pop music is VERY accessible to 12 year olds because it is the most digestible -- it is simple, shallow pap with easily understandable lyrics and sing-a-long melodies. Children cling to it as they would their training wheels when they first learn to ride a bike.

At age 16, a child's music choices broaden thanks to larger/more social circles (high school, sports, activities, parties/dances, etc.) but they are still no better off when they were 12 and most of them haven't developed their own musical identity yet (a lot of teenagers haven't even found themselves much less their favorite music). Pop/Top40 is always the null hypothesis.

The age at which someone is actually mature enough to leave the nest of commercial music and strike out for their own eclectic niches typically starts happening around 17-20. Almost always culminates with leaving home/school to go to college. They discover underground subcultures, experiment with drugs, go to clubs/bars once they reach drinking age, learn about zines and scenes and indie bands, and they become a goth/punk/raver/metalhead/rivethead/hipster/geek/etc... and partake in the musical anthems endemic to those scenes.

So it's not an honest experiment. Too many social factors at work and adolescence is a very volatile period to make any blanket psychological assertions.
 
2013-01-22 12:53:15 AM  

Ed Willy: SubbyScientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"

This study sponsored by the Belt Onion Association of America


AKA fark.com/entertainment
 
2013-01-22 12:53:50 AM  

fusillade762: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

Dubstep. Or so I've heard. I've been really out of the electronic music scene for the past 15 years or so.


Well, you remember Aphex Twin, right?
 
2013-01-22 12:54:50 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's like a George Foreman grill that over cooks everything till it's inedible.
 
2013-01-22 12:54:53 AM  

HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.


Goths are usually polite and quiet (though not extremely) even at concerts these days. The ones who are obnoxious and loud are part of those fun subgenres of Goth like Cybergoth (happy go lucky people who demand the DJ plays "happier music", wears tubes in their hair, lots of neon colors, probably is on a drug or two, and listens to slightly "darker" versions of techno music; makes me in awe how that part of the scene mainly took over alot of the clubs and the subculture still survives despite of them).
 
2013-01-22 12:55:00 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.
 
2013-01-22 12:55:30 AM  
Skrillex has some stuff that is a bit out there but he also has some stuff that is friggin' awesome. "Goin' In- Goin Hard Mix" is tits. Bangarang, Kyoto, Cinema...all really good stuff
 
2013-01-22 12:55:56 AM  

Ishkur: AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.

Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.


Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.
 
2013-01-22 12:57:36 AM  
they'll start listening to bach and beethoven and freak us all out

yes, just like a clockwork orange
 
2013-01-22 12:58:40 AM  
Over the Christmas holiday I spoke of not knowing what dubstep is/was. I was summarily laughed at by my younger brother and his friend. Do I qualify for an onion belt yet?
 
2013-01-22 01:00:20 AM  
I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

images.theage.com.au
 
2013-01-22 01:00:53 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's the maritime equivalent of a venereal disease....it get's on the bottom of your hull and slowly eats away at the waste port until it reaches the head.
 
2013-01-22 01:02:50 AM  

theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


Richard James is to electronic music what Astor Piazzolla is to the tango.

come to daddy...
 
2013-01-22 01:03:16 AM  
Ok. I have to ask. There are 12 year olds that listen to jazz???
 
2013-01-22 01:04:19 AM  
It's a study from professor at a university in The Netherlands, so I imagine they followed Dutch children. After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.

If I had to garner a guess, media seemed pretty tightly controlled there. If your taste in music wasn't represented, you would have to go out of your way to find it and it seemed the peers and authorities took notice of it too. Perhaps that indicates the more rebellious nature of the individual? I don't know.

A completely anecdotal example: My Dutch boss was a big fan of 80s pop, especially Michael Jackson. If he found out anyone like things like metal or rap or the like, he'd either ask about it, an almost confrontational manner, or make a remark to others about how "weird" it was. It seems almost like it was setting up for trouble.

I also met some of the die-hardest metal heads there too, they'd travel all summer for the various festivals in Germany and elsewhere.
 
2013-01-22 01:05:20 AM  

Ishkur: "It found 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16."
"Conversely, 12-year-olds who listened to R&B, rock, punk and techno showed no rebellious behaviour at the younger age, but did when they got to age 16."

heh.

Interesting that the researchers -- and the article writer -- felt fit to actually differentiate between the two. You don't normally see that in media.

Of course, it's still not certain what criteria they're using. When they say techno, do they mean actual Detroit techno or everything else that they've been mislabelling as techno for the past 20 years? ....and which genre of trance? The trippy psychedelic goa stuff or the anthemic euro disney cheese stuff?


Of course, the REAL problem with attributing delinquency with music taste is the fact that 12 year olds are about as experienced in music as they are in sex. At age 12 and under, the two most dominant musical influences tend to be family (parents early on, and older siblings later) and media (television/radio). 12 year olds don't really have a standard of comparison to know what they like and don't like so they always sponge off whatever is exposed to them in their limited social spheres (home/school). Pop music is VERY accessible to 12 year olds because it is the most digestible -- it is simple, shallow pap with easily understandable lyrics and sing-a-long melodies. Children cling to it as they would their training wheels when they first learn to ride a bike.

At age 16, a child's music choices broaden thanks to larger/more social circles (high school, sports, activities, parties/dances, etc.) but they are still no better off when they were 12 and most of them haven't developed their own musical identity yet (a lot of teenagers haven't even found themselves much less their favorite music). Pop/Top40 is always the null hypothesis.

The age at which someone is actually mature enough to leave the nest of commercial musi ...


So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.
 
2013-01-22 01:06:24 AM  
I wish I could find that strip where Calvin is playing Easy Listening music on his record player while his parents are retching in the background. "I play it real quiet, too."
 
2013-01-22 01:06:45 AM  
So I was playing Far Cry 3, and I'm at the part where you need to torch the weed fields, and the game starts blasting this annoying as shiat high pitched screech techno with some Jamaican singing, and I think to myself "this would be super fun if it wasn't for that goddamn music". Later on when I finish the game and see the credits, I realize that was one of Skrillex's "songs". Or are they all called tracks now? I don't know. All I know is, fark that guy. I don't care if it makes me sound old or un-hip, he needs to stay his ass away from whatever it is that he thinks he's doing.
/amusing anecdote, amigo
 
2013-01-22 01:07:33 AM  

drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.


I found this site pretty informative.
 
2013-01-22 01:08:16 AM  
Are they just now noticing this?
 
2013-01-22 01:09:45 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a type of pesticide they spray on hipsters to get rid of lice.
 
2013-01-22 01:11:29 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.


Which has nothing to do with Skrillex so congratulations on your attempt of an insult there.
 
2013-01-22 01:12:15 AM  

drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.


Well, it depends. How patient are you and how long of an explanation do you want?
 
2013-01-22 01:13:12 AM  

The Man Who Laughs: So I was playing Far Cry 3, and I'm at the part where you need to torch the weed fields, and the game starts blasting this annoying as shiat high pitched screech techno with some Jamaican singing, and I think to myself "this would be super fun if it wasn't for that goddamn music". Later on when I finish the game and see the credits, I realize that was one of Skrillex's "songs". Or are they all called tracks now? I don't know. All I know is, fark that guy. I don't care if it makes me sound old or un-hip, he needs to stay his ass away from whatever it is that he thinks he's doing.
/amusing anecdote, amigo


"Tracks" are from CDs. You may as well call them "cuts", grandpa. :)
 
2013-01-22 01:13:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


One of the 40 something programmers I work with discovered dubstep recently.

He really likes to code to it.

Can't say I disagree. I like to code to classical or techno or dubstep. Just something that doesn't have to many lyrics so I don't lose my train of thought and focus on the lyrics.

Of course I also like Carolina Chocolate Drops, Johnny Cash, Tom Waits, Louis Prima, Disturbed, Caravan Palace, Chingon, Gogol Bordello, Metallica, Gaelic Storm, Weird Al. I wish I could stream Pandora at work.

The only thing I don't really like is the new Country Pop crap.
 
2013-01-22 01:15:49 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of antidepressant they give to people who are so insecure about their own lack of good taste that they chew strangers fingernails on subway platforms while contemplating suicide.

also one of the main ingredients in a brand of vegetarian sausage.
 
2013-01-22 01:16:09 AM  
My favorite kind of music is really, f*cking, astoundingly brilliant music. Most of it is somewhere between Drowning Pool and the Carpenters. Benny Goodman and Mötorhead is good, too. Like is a smorgasbord. Music doubly so. Try everything.
 
2013-01-22 01:16:35 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.
 
2013-01-22 01:17:48 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.


Yes they do, but damn a lot of panties get twisted when someone samples them.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:47 AM  
Say what you will, but tell me this isn't a beautiful piece of music. Link
It's one of Skrillex's song transcribed and played on piano. It gave me pause, and I realize it's not all random sounds thrown together. Do listen to the link.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:53 AM  

jtown: I wish I could find that strip where Calvin is playing Easy Listening music on his record player while his parents are retching in the background. "I play it real quiet, too."


There it is. I was wrong about his parents being in this strip.

chzmusic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-22 01:19:18 AM  

jtown: CDs


Now who sounds old?
 
2013-01-22 01:20:10 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a type of bacteria that builds up on the bottom of a sewer pipe near a funeral home.

also the main ingredient in Deadmau5.
 
2013-01-22 01:20:52 AM  
My dad got me hooked on Grand Funk Railroad and Bo Diddley (Though to be honest he was a schizophrenic) when I was about 11. I discovered Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin at 12. Not quite sure what the folks felt about those choices, though I know I played it "too loud" and got yelled at. Actually, I don't think it was my musical choices so much as the volume.

/almost 50 and still blasting the volume
//Thank FSM the car has a kicking stereo, the neighbors don't appreciate it when I rock the house.
 
2013-01-22 01:21:25 AM  

Ishkur: drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.

Well, it depends. How patient are you and how long of an explanation do you want?


I guess that depends on how much you want to explain the differences. If there really is any. I kinda think all are under the umbrella of "techno", but I'm old.
 
2013-01-22 01:21:30 AM  
wub wub wub
 
2013-01-22 01:23:22 AM  

drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.


Go here.
 
2013-01-22 01:25:05 AM  
t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-22 01:27:06 AM  

theMightyRegeya: fusillade762: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

Dubstep. Or so I've heard. I've been really out of the electronic music scene for the past 15 years or so.

Well, you remember Aphex Twin, right?


Of course. Saw him live once (with Orbital and Moby) and actually met him at a club in London where Squarepusher was playing.
 
2013-01-22 01:27:52 AM  

Dedmon: Say what you will, but tell me this isn't a beautiful piece of music. Link
It's one of Skrillex's song transcribed and played on piano. It gave me pause, and I realize it's not all random sounds thrown together. Do listen to the link.


He's got some great parts and pieces, he just puts them together in a really sloppy way. High energy, but low craft. Although I just described Nirvana, and when I was 14-ish that was what I listened to. So I'm officially Just Too Old for Skrillex.

Teach that guy some music theory, and he'd really be something. Give him a few years/ albums and we'll see.
 
2013-01-22 01:31:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


If it's loud enough that the bar biatch can't hear your order as you scream into her ear, it's too farking loud.
 
2013-01-22 01:31:44 AM  
SKRILLEX
Sets Hair on Fire
In Birthday Candle Disaster

img845.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-22 01:31:45 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.

Go here.


Thanks, I guess it's pretty complicated, but I'll spend some time on this site. Thanks!
 
2013-01-22 01:32:08 AM  
When I was 12, circa 1986, a friend gave me two TDK D-90 cassette tapes that he "taped off his brother's record player." One contained the entirety of Pink Floyd's "The Wall." The other had Rush "Moving Pictures" on side one and Iron Maiden "Number of the Beast" on side two.

I like to think that it was the greatest gift an almost-teen boy in 1986 could possibly have received, except maybe having puberty suddenly grow his dong to epic proportions.
 
2013-01-22 01:34:00 AM  
wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub
 
2013-01-22 01:35:32 AM  

Virulency: wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub


image.spreadshirt.com
 
2013-01-22 01:35:39 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: Ok. I have to ask. There are 12 year olds that listen to jazz???


I was listening to Ornette Coleman when I was 11 and briefly locked up when I was 12. I am of the opinion good jazz leads to delinquency.
 
2013-01-22 01:36:57 AM  
Seems kind of reminiscent of the 80's techno music scene:

1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit

2) Newcleus - Jam On It

3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia

But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.

Dubstep:

1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped

2) (Note: very loud): Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites, Skrillex

And there seem to be various sub-flavors of dubstep, per the above links.
 
2013-01-22 01:37:15 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's the sound an accountants farts make while he/she/it is wrapping chicken in tinfoil.

also the main ingredient in crap brand hipster sauce.

not to be confused with "skreeeeeeeeeeeeet!"
 
2013-01-22 01:37:21 AM  
I don't know if I was ever particularly rebellious... but I like to sit quietly and listen to technical grindcore. It's wonderfully jazzy.
 
2013-01-22 01:38:50 AM  

red5ish: SKRILLEX
Sets Hair on Fire
In Birthday Candle Disaster

[img845.imageshack.us image 549x360]


too bad he didn't go up entirely.

(did i mention Shrillex is total crap?)
 
2013-01-22 01:39:18 AM  
"Loud, obnoxious, rebellious music...".

Just guessing  Gustav Mahler and his billion musician symphony?
 
2013-01-22 01:40:19 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

it's the sound an accountants farts make while he/she/it is wrapping chicken in tinfoil.

also the main ingredient in crap brand hipster sauce.

not to be confused with "skreeeeeeeeeeeeet!"


Hipsters don't listen to Skrillex. Skrillex 100% MTV consumable frathouse music.
 
2013-01-22 01:43:56 AM  
To quote Big Black: "All you farking pussies can suck our c0cks."

/also, even WHITEHOUSE gets boring. That's why they did the Skrillex 'thing' 25 years ago (like APhex Twin did 15 years ago) and now use tablas, congas, and other things (including getting QUIET) to produce music that's much more scary...

When EBM oozed out, it was shiat. Spooky techno...but it was popular! Hell, listen to (if you dare) the latest PTV stuff...not so fun...

I am a music asshole.
 
2013-01-22 01:44:12 AM  

lolpix: Haliburton Cummings: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

it's the sound an accountants farts make while he/she/it is wrapping chicken in tinfoil.

also the main ingredient in crap brand hipster sauce.

not to be confused with "skreeeeeeeeeeeeet!"

Hipsters don't listen to Skrillex. Skrillex 100% MTV consumable frathouse music.


secretly they do....
 
2013-01-22 01:45:16 AM  
And for the record, I like great and horrible music! Arvo Part, Neil Diamond, Butthole Surfers, SUNN, Jimmy Scott...but these were (and are) originals...
 
2013-01-22 01:45:46 AM  

Allen. The end.: To quote Big Black: "All you farking pussies can suck our c0cks."

/also, even WHITEHOUSE gets boring. That's why they did the Skrillex 'thing' 25 years ago (like APhex Twin did 15 years ago) and now use tablas, congas, and other things (including getting QUIET) to produce music that's much more scary...

When EBM oozed out, it was shiat. Spooky techno...but it was popular! Hell, listen to (if you dare) the latest PTV stuff...not so fun...

I am a music asshole.


gawd i forgot about whitehouse.... (looks thru vinyl collection...)
 
2013-01-22 01:47:07 AM  
May I recommend kaskades remix of scary monsters nice sprites? It's amazing how he turned that fowl sounding track into something so beautiful.

/don't really care for skrillex, but he does have a few catchy songs that play great in the car. They make me feel young.
//same for dubstep in general: a few good tracks but most is garbage
 
2013-01-22 01:47:39 AM  

drateR: I guess that depends on how much you want to explain the differences.


Well.... do you have anything to do tomorrow? ...ideally, I'd like you to stay in the thread and keep refreshing for the next 6 or 7 hours.

Conversely, I can just give you the short-paragraph Cole's Notes on each right now.

drateR: If there really is any.


Yes. There is.

drateR: I kinda think all are under the umbrella of "techno", but I'm old.


That would be wrong. Techno is one thing. Trance is another thing. Dubstep is another thing. They're three entirely different things and about the only thing in common between them is that they're all made electronically (sequences and synthesizers n such).
 
2013-01-22 01:47:49 AM  
Quite a bit easier for me to list what I DON'T like than what I do (my dislikes--my REAL dislikes--are pretty much mostly New Country and Christian Contemporary, which really only differ by percentages of Homoerotic Jesus Fellation and/or slide guitar). And yeah, I'll admit, I actually like some of Skrillex's stuff...not all of it, but some. (Then again, I also listen to everything from dubstep to speed metal to decent pop with a minimum of Autotune to hip-hop to powwow Round Dance songs to Ukranian women's choirs. My music collection tends to be a mix of all kinds of eclectica up to and including more than a few video-game soundtracks, a fair number of these NOT from Square Enix. :D)

As to the comment someone made earlier about how some Skrillex stuff works well acoustically--I'm actually quite surprised how well orchestral arrangements of Skrillex stuff work in sounding, well, soundtrack-ish :D

/then again, I'm also impressed that stuff that sounds like compositions in Impulse Tracker from the early 90s seems to be getting recording contracts :D
 
2013-01-22 01:49:20 AM  

Siskabush: May I recommend kaskades remix of scary monsters nice sprites? It's amazing how he turned that fowl sounding track into something so beautiful.


no you may not.
 
2013-01-22 01:49:42 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


I thought it was a brand of non-stick cookware.
 
2013-01-22 01:50:18 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


It's a skinny jeans manufacturer.

Also the sound of them as you slide them on and they scrunch your sack...
 
2013-01-22 01:50:22 AM  

drateR: stiletto_the_wise: drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.
Go here.
Thanks, I guess it's pretty complicated, but I'll spend some time on this site. Thanks!


check the name.

; )
 
2013-01-22 01:52:41 AM  

TheHumanCannonball: After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.


This. The Netherlands has a reputation in the US as being easy going and liberal, based solely on their tolerance of private drug use and prostitution. But they're actually extremely conservative in a lot of odd ways. They just have a different way of being conservative.

/like boiling food until it turns to mush
//and being polite to their elders, at least the years I was there
 
2013-01-22 01:52:41 AM  
Breakcore was better, but the ladies didn't dig it.
 
2013-01-22 01:53:10 AM  

Tsar_Bomba1: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

It's a skinny jeans manufacturer.

Also the sound of them as you slide them on and they scrunch your sack...


not to be confused with "sack muncher 2000 brand male stripper thong brand lubricant"....
who is a DJ as well...
 
2013-01-22 01:56:22 AM  
Tritonal - Piercing the Quiet Remix. Gratest vocal trance/dance/dubstep album ever made
 
2013-01-22 01:57:45 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.


not to mention New Order or Gary Numan
 
2013-01-22 01:58:01 AM  
*oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz*
 
2013-01-22 02:02:23 AM  

CSM101: stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.

not to mention New Order or Gary Numan


or Devo..or Jarre (Jr.) or Wendy Carlos .

whats the difference between Shrillex and giant bag of feces?
 
2013-01-22 02:04:27 AM  

bunner: *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz*


*douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche
*oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz*

wub wub wub
douche douche douche
wub wub wub
douche douche douche

*douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche *douche
*oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz* wooba wooba *oontz**oontz**oontz**oontz*

that's how they write it...

kinda like how tabla players learn....
 
2013-01-22 02:05:48 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Tritonal - Piercing the Quiet Remix. Gratest vocal trance/dance/dubstep album ever made


not as good as "tickling your taint" by "your dad"
 
2013-01-22 02:06:41 AM  

RequiemHC: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

I thought it was a brand of non-stick cookware.


/been done..see George Foreman joke....
 
2013-01-22 02:06:59 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: Allen. The end.: To quote Big Black: "All you farking pussies can suck our c0cks."

/also, even WHITEHOUSE gets boring. That's why they did the Skrillex 'thing' 25 years ago (like APhex Twin did 15 years ago) and now use tablas, congas, and other things (including getting QUIET) to produce music that's much more scary...

When EBM oozed out, it was shiat. Spooky techno...but it was popular! Hell, listen to (if you dare) the latest PTV stuff...not so fun...

I am a music asshole.

gawd i forgot about whitehouse.... (looks thru vinyl collection...)


RAcket is good, as is Cruise. But it's still...um...uneasy listening...
 
2013-01-22 02:08:51 AM  
and in a few years all parents will listen to today's music and the next generation will have to find something else, the cycle continues.
 
2013-01-22 02:09:30 AM  
Also, the remix record is REALLY good...but not for dating. Actaully, I take that back. If you take someone home and put that on, it's a litmus test...for what, I am not sure.
 
2013-01-22 02:09:51 AM  

Ishkur: drateR: I guess that depends on how much you want to explain the differences.

Well.... do you have anything to do tomorrow? ...ideally, I'd like you to stay in the thread and keep refreshing for the next 6 or 7 hours.

Conversely, I can just give you the short-paragraph Cole's Notes on each right now.

drateR: If there really is any.

Yes. There is.

drateR: I kinda think all are under the umbrella of "techno", but I'm old.

That would be wrong. Techno is one thing. Trance is another thing. Dubstep is another thing. They're three entirely different things and about the only thing in common between them is that they're all made electronically (sequences and synthesizers n such).


Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.
 
2013-01-22 02:10:07 AM  
Hey, sup dawgs. Somebody holla?

rookery.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-22 02:10:10 AM  

whither_apophis: And then one day you're in the grocery store and realize they are playing Scorp's "Big City Nights" on the PA.

/csb


The crappy song I keep hearing in local stores lately is some chick with an irritating voice repeating "Shine bright like a diamond" over and over. Yeesh.
 
2013-01-22 02:12:27 AM  

Lorelle: The crappy song I keep hearing in local stores lately is some chick with an irritating voice repeating "Shine bright like a diamond" over and over. Yeesh.


That's why I shop online -- no soundtrack.
 
2013-01-22 02:15:07 AM  

lolpix: That's why I shop online -- no soundtrack.


One local grocery store plays lotsa 1960s/1970s pop oldies...I've noticed that kids don't hang out there like they do at the other stores. :)
 
2013-01-22 02:16:14 AM  

Ishkur: drateR: stiletto_the_wise: drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.
Go here.
Thanks, I guess it's pretty complicated, but I'll spend some time on this site. Thanks!

check the name.

; )



HOLY shiat MIND = BLOWN

Awesome, man.
 
2013-01-22 02:16:36 AM  
Haliburton Cummings

Gdalescrboz: Tritonal - Piercing the Quiet Remix. Gratest vocal trance/dance/dubstep album ever made

not as good as "tickling your taint" by "your dad"


Who let Nikky Minaj in here? Do us a favor and go back to judging the posers on American Idol
 
2013-01-22 02:18:19 AM  

Haliburton Cummings

Gdalescrboz: Tritonal - Piercing the Quiet Remix. Gratest vocal trance/dance/dubstep album ever made

not as good as "tickling your taint" by "your dad"


Also, as your mother can attest too, "tickling your taint" by "my dad" is of the upmost quality. He passed what he knows down to me and I become quit the taint slayer myself these days
 
2013-01-22 02:20:35 AM  

drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.


It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.
 
2013-01-22 02:22:48 AM  

CSM101: stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.

not to mention New Order or Gary Numan


See also: Yellow Magic Orchestra.


HotWingAgenda: TheHumanCannonball: After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.

This. The Netherlands has a reputation in the US as being easy going and liberal, based solely on their tolerance of private drug use and prostitution. But they're actually extremely conservative in a lot of odd ways. They just have a different way of being conservative.


I saw Eat Static live in The Netherlands.
/csb
 
2013-01-22 02:26:11 AM  

fusillade762: I saw Eat Static live in The Netherlands.
/csb



Hm. Sort of reminds me of the gabber I used to rock out to in the Hedge.
 
2013-01-22 02:33:13 AM  

Ishkur: drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.

It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.


No worries dude. This reminds me of some past fun. I've enjoyed "trance" or "techno" for a while, just kind of ignorant to be honest about the specifics.
 
2013-01-22 02:36:36 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: CSM101: stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.

not to mention New Order or Gary Numan

or Devo..or Jarre (Jr.) or Wendy Carlos .

whats the difference between Shrillex and giant bag of feces?


Feces doesn't sound like shait!
 
2013-01-22 02:47:28 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Haliburton Cummings: CSM101: stiletto_the_wise:

whats the difference between Shrillex and giant bag of feces?

Feces doesn't sound like shait!


WINNER!

i was thinking more "it's easier to get into a bag of feces"..

but that is like a "choose your own adventure" kinda thing...
 
2013-01-22 02:49:03 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Haliburton Cummings

Gdalescrboz: Tritonal - Piercing the Quiet Remix. Gratest vocal trance/dance/dubstep album ever made

not as good as "tickling your taint" by "your dad"

Also, as your mother can attest too, "tickling your taint" by "my dad" is of the upmost quality. He passed what he knows down to me and I become quit the taint slayer myself these days


but....my moms dead

(waits a beat)

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA

taint slayer...comedy gold there...
 
2013-01-22 02:49:53 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


It's the stuff the people IN digital hardcore use to not get the clap
 
2013-01-22 02:55:52 AM  
ok... i have to go and beat some sense into a DJ that lives down the road with a Keytar and a Roland G-707 .....

you all have fun, play safe and remember;

every time you stand up for Shrillex, a puppy gets crushed in the back seat of a Hyundai by an obese raver.

just sayin....
 
2013-01-22 03:01:19 AM  

theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


I've been cK1'ing to Aphex since the mid 90's. I Think Skrillex is awesome stuff.

No, seriously. They're related by genre, in as much as the Twin's 'genre' is self-defining, spanning styles from acid/breakbeat rave right up to the point where you can audibly trace the evolution of the musicalDNA of dubstep, just by listening. Dubstep, much like it's tougher older brother Techstep, have roots in tecno, D&B, Jungle, rave and acid, but has dancehall reggae and dub chromosomes stitched in there.

Think Kraftwerk and Buju Banton's aspergers lovechild. Skrillex. pass the cK1, mate.
 
2013-01-22 03:02:34 AM  

uttertosh: No, seriously. They're related by genre, in as much as the Twin's 'genre' is self-defining, spanning styles from acid/breakbeat rave right up to the point where you can audibly trace the evolution of the musicalDNA of dubstep, just by listening. Dubstep, much like it's tougher older brother Techstep, have roots in tecno, D&B, Jungle, rave and acid, but has dancehall reggae and dub chromosomes stitched in there.


None of this is true.
 
2013-01-22 03:06:33 AM  

Ishkur: None of this is true.


then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.
 
2013-01-22 03:07:13 AM  

meat0918: AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

The only thing I don't really like is the new Country Pop crap.


I would argue that it's not even really country anymore, just bad rock.
 
2013-01-22 03:09:03 AM  
Also, the author of TFA sounds old.
 
2013-01-22 03:09:33 AM  

uttertosh: Ishkur: None of this is true.

then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.


or Aphex Twin.

FTFM
 
2013-01-22 03:26:38 AM  

uttertosh: then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.


Dubstep came from the UK Garage scene. It's direct antecedent was 2-step. In the early period they called it dark garage..... it had a lot of bass, and yes, a lot of wub (hence the name, though it didn't directly have anything to do with Jamaican dub proper, it's like a step-cousin). It was a rubbery liquid sound that seemed to really find favor with users of disassociatives, especially Ketamine (it makes your legs rubbery, which is perfect for that kind of music).

After about 2006 it started picking up influences (and a lot of influences came from dubstep -- for instance, grime), the most direct influence coming from Ed Bangar-style filthy, glitchy squealing electro house (which was spawned off of early 00s Swedish House), and Tiger Beat Records style Glitch house cf. Kid606 which was ONLY popular because Vice Magazine wrote about it a lot so all their shows kept attracting an unhealthy clientele of hipsters.

Around about 2008, these twin forces -- glitch and electro house -- grabbed dubstep, dragged it behind an alleyway and violently anal raped it no less than 23 times. In the process, Dubstep dropped the bass, jacked up the mid range (primarily because most people's listening devices are earbuds or crappy laptop speakers so what's the point delivering bass they can't hear), kept the wub but applied it to screeching, squelching synth lines and this attracted the unsavory frathouse crowd who were already into the electro stuff anyway....and before long they were calling this mutant offspring "brostep" which is, in no uncertain terms, absolutely hideous. And then Skrillex comes along, harkening the death of dubstep, at least in the underground.

There. Now fark off and stop polluting the threat with your ignorant drivel.
 
2013-01-22 03:38:56 AM  

uttertosh: or Aphex Twin.


Have you even heard of IDM?
 
2013-01-22 04:04:21 AM  

lolpix: Skrillex is new school dubstep. It involves a lot of high pitch screeching and some wub wub wub.


Ah. Republicans. Got it. Thanks.
 
2013-01-22 04:11:20 AM  
Oh, don't be so hard on Screechex

/I still haven't figured out the deal with numbers in the names though... Dead-maw-five?
 
2013-01-22 04:14:25 AM  

dynomutt: Oh, don't be so hard on Screechex

/I still haven't figured out the deal with numbers in the names though... Dead-maw-five?


The 5 is an S because it looks like one.

/but you probably knew that....
 
2013-01-22 04:27:10 AM  
Loud and obnoxious I understand, but what the hell is "rebellious" music? Never quite understood how that adjective applies...

=Smidge=
 
2013-01-22 04:32:06 AM  

Ishkur: uttertosh: then you know sweet fark all about dubstep. Next.

Dubstep came from the UK Garage scene. It's direct antecedent was 2-step. In the early period they called it dark garage..... it had a lot of bass, and yes, a lot of wub (hence the name, though it didn't directly have anything to do with Jamaican dub proper, it's like a step-cousin). It was a rubbery liquid sound that seemed to really find favor with users of disassociatives, especially Ketamine (it makes your legs rubbery, which is perfect for that kind of music).

After about 2006 it started picking up influences (and a lot of influences came from dubstep -- for instance, grime), the most direct influence coming from Ed Bangar-style filthy, glitchy squealing electro house (which was spawned off of early 00s Swedish House), and Tiger Beat Records style Glitch house cf. Kid606 which was ONLY popular because Vice Magazine wrote about it a lot so all their shows kept attracting an unhealthy clientele of hipsters.

Around about 2008, these twin forces -- glitch and electro house -- grabbed dubstep, dragged it behind an alleyway and violently anal raped it no less than 23 times. In the process, Dubstep dropped the bass, jacked up the mid range (primarily because most people's listening devices are earbuds or crappy laptop speakers so what's the point delivering bass they can't hear), kept the wub but applied it to screeching, squelching synth lines and this attracted the unsavory frathouse crowd who were already into the electro stuff anyway....and before long they were calling this mutant offspring "brostep" which is, in no uncertain terms, absolutely hideous. And then Skrillex comes along, harkening the death of dubstep, at least in the underground.

There. Now fark off and stop polluting the threat with your ignorant drivel.


i had no idea you are the same dude that made the music guide.

first off, thank you for introducing me to:

amanda lear - follow me
the ones - flawless

i'm a big fan of disco and french house.

whenever i hit up a dubstep room on turntable.fm i always play todd edwards. it typically ends well.

mj cole's remix of "i might be" usually works too. i prefer smooth big bass rather than that abrasive saw bass shiat. looking at you, skrillex.

i could discuss all the nuances for hours, but i should probably sleep soon.

in short, this guy knows what he's talking about. fellow farkers listen up.
 
2013-01-22 04:58:16 AM  
crows kAWing mixed over meandering/mixed pace hide drum beats, only music i can handle. everything else is made of badness. wait no, i meant chopin, waltz is the right answer. nothing else captures the pure grace of the french horn.
 
2013-01-22 04:59:51 AM  

Ishkur: drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.

It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.


Wish I could view it on a tablet. I'm looking for some new music suggestions based on my general listening prefs....and not having much luck.
 
2013-01-22 05:08:02 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Ishkur: drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.

It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.

Wish I could view it on a tablet. I'm looking for some new music suggestions based on my general listening prefs....and not having much luck.


last.fm is generally a good resource for similar artist recommendations.
 
2013-01-22 05:21:20 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Wish I could view it on a tablet. I'm looking for some new music suggestions based on my general listening prefs....and not having much luck.


You'll be happy to know that the new guide will not be in Flash. It will be responsive design and html5 compliant so it will work on all devices.

I'm toying with the idea of making it an app, but it would have to be released for free. I cannot profit off something that is, essentially, an arrogant copyright infringement of epic proportions (mu mu).

But since I'm here, why don't you just tell me what you're into and I'll namedrop everyone I know who fits that profile.

I'm like an electronic music chef. I can find the right music to fit any listening palette.
 
2013-01-22 05:24:30 AM  
95% of popular music has always sucked rancid hyena testicles. We old farts then use our fading memories to filter out everything but the 5% that was awesome, and declare that "music sure sucks, these days!"
 
2013-01-22 05:27:52 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

it's like a George Foreman grill that over cooks everything till it's inedible.


I thought it was that cold sore salve that they sell in gas station convenience stores.
 
2013-01-22 05:45:57 AM  

Insurgent: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Ishkur: drateR: Listening to different beats on your website. I still think it's under the same umbrella, but whatever. Enjoying your site btw.

It is under the same umbrella: Electronic music.

Not techno.

That version of the guide is old and deprecated and full of puerile, juvenile comments. There are a lot of things wrong with it and I've since disowned it. And it doesn't have dubstep -- it was last updated in 2003 (dubstep didn't exist until 2005).

I'm in the process of making a new one. It's going to be ten times larger. If you (or anyone else) is interested in wanting to know when it will be released, I've recently set up a Twitter changelog for the new guide. It will chronicle the development cycle and other such things.

Wish I could view it on a tablet. I'm looking for some new music suggestions based on my general listening prefs....and not having much luck.

last.fm is generally a good resource for similar artist recommendations.


Thanks, I'll give it a try.
 
2013-01-22 05:55:35 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Wish I could view it on a tablet. I'm looking for some new music suggestions based on my general listening prefs....and not having much luck.

You'll be happy to know that the new guide will not be in Flash. It will be responsive design and html5 compliant so it will work on all devices.

I'm toying with the idea of making it an app, but it would have to be released for free. I cannot profit off something that is, essentially, an arrogant copyright infringement of epic proportions (mu mu).

But since I'm here, why don't you just tell me what you're into and I'll namedrop everyone I know who fits that profile.

I'm like an electronic music chef. I can find the right music to fit any listening palette.


Thank you so very much.

I'm pretty spread out, but for electronic in particular,

Chicane, Balligomingo, daft punk, Autechre, some Orb, Beaumont Hannant ( but not a big Husik fan), Bill Laswell of most types, Talvin Singh, Balil, some Red Cell...you mentioned IDM up there, I guess I'm generally an IDM/ambient/trance fan.
 
2013-01-22 06:05:59 AM  

Insurgent: i'm a big fan of disco and french house.


my alma mater. It's gotta have a groove, it's gotta be funky. I think that's one of the things that's so offensive about dubstep -- it's the most flat, uninteresting, unfunky cracker-ass cracker music to ever be sequenced.
 
2013-01-22 06:12:32 AM  
man it's a shame most americans only exposure to dubstep is skrillex. america ruined it.

i recall reading an interview with benga where he basically admitted that he had a hand in spawning it.

is there a dubstep remix for mr. oizo's flat beat yet? i'm too afraid to google it.
 
2013-01-22 06:16:17 AM  

Ishkur: AverageAmericanGuy: Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.

Which has nothing to do with Skrillex so congratulations on your attempt of an insult there.


AverageAmericanGuy: Ishkur: AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.

Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.

Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.


Techno:
www.ssense.com

Skrillex
www.richardlagendijk.nl
 
2013-01-22 06:19:09 AM  
If you just listened to skrillex and said "Ok, WTF is all that screeching and bumping?" then you might want to ease yourself into into the dubstep sound with something that is a dubstep remix or dubstep enhanced

For a pop sound try: Ellie Goulding Lights (Bassnectar Remix)

If metal is more your style try: Korn - Get Up
 
2013-01-22 06:20:27 AM  
 
2013-01-22 06:21:41 AM  
Still hate wiggers blasting whatever they heck the blast at 150 decibels. I return the favor by playing ride of the Valkyries through my 120 watt PA system.
The elk bugle is also a favorite.
/get off my pasture
 
2013-01-22 06:29:30 AM  
I hate to do this for you haters out there, but dubstep is the grunge invasion of digital music, and skrillex can be likened to nirvana for bringing it to the mainstream (although i think some might argue that dedmau5e did it, but he would argue angrily with you about that) and being the most rough around the edges with the sound...
 
2013-01-22 06:34:51 AM  
good news everyone!

i found this remix of ride of the valkyries thru google:

Link

now we just need wildlifer to rant over it. some real down-home spoken word shiat.
 
2013-01-22 06:36:44 AM  
Cephia's Treat Recordings.

Make sure your speakers are on.

//I actually used to put on underground "noise" shows in stores after hours by "obtaining" keys.
///Wish I could get away with that crap now.
 
2013-01-22 06:37:28 AM  

wildlifer: wiggers


really? REALLY? go crawl back in your hole, or plantation or where ever barbarians like you come from and let the civilized people have a conversation... Careful on your way back, i hear there are some freedmen out there these days...
 
2013-01-22 06:38:27 AM  

Insurgent: Pearson Sound vs Rod Lee - Let Me See What U Workin With (Refix)

that one is sure to piss yr parents off.


Sounds to me like the musical equivalent of antiperspirant ...dry and squidgy
 
2013-01-22 06:43:16 AM  
just kicked on my workout playlist here at work... lots of digital fun stuff on that list

not dubstep, but for shiats and giggles check this out: Faderhead
 
2013-01-22 06:49:27 AM  

Ishkur: Insurgent: i'm a big fan of disco and french house.

my alma mater. It's gotta have a groove, it's gotta be funky. I think that's one of the things that's so offensive about dubstep -- it's the most flat, uninteresting, unfunky cracker-ass cracker music to ever be sequenced.


I agree with the dull part, but the silver lining will be when the fans discover or create better music. Maybe dub step is like an evolutionary move backwards that allows for a new punctuated jump forward that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Or maybe it'll just fade to be some 60 year olds guilty pleasure in 40 years.
 
2013-01-22 06:50:10 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Insurgent: Pearson Sound vs Rod Lee - Let Me See What U Workin With (Refix)

that one is sure to piss yr parents off.

Sounds to me like the musical equivalent of antiperspirant ...dry and squidgy


that was meant as an example of loud bass.

you say you like daft punk? there's a ton of shiat daft punk spawned. not to mention thomas bangalter's solo work. see:

Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You

Thomas Bangalter - What To Do

Le Knight Club - Chérie D'Amoure

Crydajam - Loaded

in closing, homework is the best daft punk album
 
2013-01-22 06:59:09 AM  
Semi/not very related note.

I like how even country music is stealing from electronic music now. My new job blasts country all day and I heard Mumford and Sons "I will wait" for the first time the other day.

Take the drums out and replace it with a unce-unce beat, and its a trance anthem suitable for any rave..

Good song, just made me chuckle at the idea of "Country trance"
 
2013-01-22 06:59:37 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Chicane, Balligomingo, daft punk, Autechre, some Orb, Beaumont Hannant ( but not a big Husik fan), Bill Laswell of most types, Talvin Singh, Balil, some Red Cell...you mentioned IDM up there, I guess I'm generally an IDM/ambient/trance fan.


Alright, well the tricky part is all these acts you listed were doing different music at different points in their careers. Chicane is primarily a trance/pop act but tracks like Saltwater and Offshore -- his biggest hits -- are pure Balearic bliss (which isn't so much a genre as it is a mood). You probably already have those.

Same with Daft Punk. I like to call their Homework era "Chicago House Daft Punk", their Discovery era "New York Garage Daft Punk" and their Human After All era "Detroit Electro Daft Punk"... so it depends whether you stand on the disco loop side of things or the robot rock side of things. And Bill Laswell has been producing music for 30 years. I'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific.

Same with Autechre, "some" Orb... IDM/ambient/trance, eh? Hmmm.... I don't know how deep your knowledge of these genres are, so if I go off about some act you already know about, please excuse my condescension. I just want to cover all the bases. I will assume that you have at least a rudimentary level of knowledge so I won't just be obvious and pick everything off Warp Records (I trust you have Richard D. James' Selected Ambient Works already, right?). I'm all about finding hidden and obscure stuff that's often overlooked.

If you don't mind oldskool stuff, and don't mind something interesting and somewhat avant-garde, give Manuel Göttsching - E2-E4 a test spin. It's from the early 80s but incredibly ahead of its time and it inspired a lot of the early Detroit and Ambient guys. That is, if you trust my expertise.

Moving forward, I recommend Boards of Canada, especially Music Has the Right to Children, their seminal 97 analog ambient techno masterpiece. They use genuine oldskool analog synths (like, from the 70s) in their work, to give it a very nostalgia feel. Their follow up, Geogaddi is more IDM than ambient if you like the more abrasive Squarepusher side of things. And their last album, The Campfire Headphase, returns to their ambient techno roots and uses a lot of organic instrumentation especially acoustic guitar. I once listened to one of their tracks, Peacock Tail, nonstop for 7 straight hours at work, just looping it over and over again. It was one of those kind of days.

(if you already know about the Boards disregard everything I just said).

Moving forward into more pure downtempo and ambient, I can not push this guy enough: Solar Fields. This guy has yet to make a bad track so pick any album at random and it's good (but get all of them, really. I especially recommend Movements). Everything he touches is solid gold. He is primarily the reason why forensic montages in crime shows always have that downtempo, faux-IDM background music. It's not his (they actually have an in-house producer to do it), but its a total style-biter.

What else? Oh yeah: Ulrich Schnauss. Ambient breaks. Good breakup music (that is, if you want to revel in your misery).... this is utterly beautiful.

Do you like the Psy scene at all (no, not the Korean dork.... psychedelic trance...formerly goa)? It's all about Hindu and Middle Eastern sounds and references which you might be into if you like Talvin Singh. The Psy scene has been making some EXCELLENT downtempo the last 10 years, and I won't list the easy ones like Shpongle and go straight to my personal fav: Asura! I recommend 360. Give it a try, and if you like it, get more.

Speedy J - The G Spot. Mostly a techno and acid album, but I like his Fill series for some great ambient goodness.

Banco de Gaia. A legend in the ambient scene. Kind of hit or miss sometimes, I prefer his older stuff, but feel free to explore at your leisure.

I guess that's enough for now. If you don't like any of these or it isn't what you're looking for, come back to me with more info and we'll go further and deeper. We've only scratched the surface here. I also don't want you to take everything I say as gospel. These are all suggestions, but you can use the Discogs Recommendations panel to find other similar sounding artists and labels, and I fully encourage you to do this. Go exploring! Find some buried treasure!! Music isn't about accepting whatever comes down the pipe of whatever station you're on, it's about going off on your own, finding your own heroes, do some research, branch out, search for new moods, new styles and new ideas.

I hope this helps. Reply if you have any questions or comments.
 
2013-01-22 07:02:38 AM  

Insurgent: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Insurgent: Pearson Sound vs Rod Lee - Let Me See What U Workin With (Refix)

that one is sure to piss yr parents off.

Sounds to me like the musical equivalent of antiperspirant ...dry and squidgy

that was meant as an example of loud bass.

you say you like daft punk? there's a ton of shiat daft punk spawned. not to mention thomas bangalter's solo work. see:

Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You

Thomas Bangalter - What To Do

Le Knight Club - Chérie D'Amoure

Crydajam - Loaded

in closing, homework is the best daft punk album


I agree about Homework!

DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.
 
2013-01-22 07:04:12 AM  
"Skillrex"? Not familiar. What instrument does he play?
 
2013-01-22 07:05:27 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I agree with the dull part, but the silver lining will be when the fans discover or create better music. Maybe dub step is like an evolutionary move backwards that allows for a new punctuated jump forward that wouldn't have happened otherwise.


No. That never happens. At least, it's never happened in my experience.

Bad music is NEVER a gateway to good music. People who like crap music will always like crap music and getting them into the scene via crap music doesn't compel them to want good music. It just never happens. They never develop that acquired taste....by the time the fad dies they move onto the next crap music fad after shiatting all over this one.
 
2013-01-22 07:07:20 AM  
I wonder how many Old Farts are reading this thread and having a hard time resisting the urge to post links to real music?

/Old Fart
//Reminded of a piano falling down 6 flights of stairs
 
2013-01-22 07:07:52 AM  

Trollin4Colon: Semi/not very related note.

I like how even country music is stealing from electronic music now. My new job blasts country all day and I heard Mumford and Sons "I will wait" for the first time the other day.

Take the drums out and replace it with a unce-unce beat, and its a trance anthem suitable for any rave..

Good song, just made me chuckle at the idea of "Country trance"


County Techno!

Here's a song by a Farker that I love...

Farmer Techno by Wobindan
 
2013-01-22 07:16:58 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.


Shoulda told me this earlier. I have tons of oldskool EBM and Belgian New Beat. Bigod 20, Nitzer Ebb, Blancmange, Skinny Puppy, Voltage Control, KMFDM, Art of Noise, Frontline Assembly, Apoptygma Bezerk, Cubanate, Hate Dept., Wumpscutt, Acumen Nation, Haujobb, Die Krupps, Icon of Coil, Public Relations, Force Legato, Matrixx, Clan of Xymox, Lords of Acid, Amnesia, Umo Detic, Tribe 22, Assemblage 23, The Overlords, VNV Nation.... off the top of my head.

(that should keep you busy)
 
2013-01-22 07:20:45 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Trollin4Colon: Semi/not very related note.
I like how even country music is stealing from electronic music now. My new job blasts country all day and I heard Mumford and Sons "I will wait" for the first time the other day.
Take the drums out and replace it with a unce-unce beat, and its a trance anthem suitable for any rave..
Good song, just made me chuckle at the idea of "Country trance"
County Techno!


Has no one heard of Alabama 3?

/they had the theme song to the Sopranos for crying out loud
 
2013-01-22 07:21:24 AM  
I really hate Skrillex simply for the ten second loop of music they play on that one multiplayer level in BLOPS2 seriously the game is painful enough to play (it's garbage, but it's the only MP title that my friends play right now) but that goddamned Skrillex loop annoys me even more.
 
2013-01-22 07:26:50 AM  

Ishkur: Long beautiful post cut


Thank you so very much. I really do like all phases of Chicane, and yea, Offshore is a fave but i also like "Going deep" . I enjoy all eras of DP, i just like them. I know Laswell is long and legendary, but for electronic Laswell I'm also all over the place, from dark ambient to the world/goa stuff he's done (Tabla Beat Science). So, yes .. I do like goa/Psy too.

I was introduced to trance back in the mid 90's in grad school by a European friend and a 12 disc collection called "Space N Bass".

I do have the Boards' Music Has The Right to Children, and recognize a few other ones like Speedy J but you've given me so many new leads I could just kiss your fingertips with gratitude ...thank you, thank you. My long days alone in front of a computer need some texture to them.
 
2013-01-22 07:34:29 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.

Shoulda told me this earlier. I have tons of oldskool EBM and Belgian New Beat. Bigod 20, Nitzer Ebb, Blancmange, Skinny Puppy, Voltage Control, KMFDM, Art of Noise, Frontline Assembly, Apoptygma Bezerk, Cubanate, Hate Dept., Wumpscutt, Acumen Nation, Haujobb, Die Krupps, Icon of Coil, Public Relations, Force Legato, Matrixx, Clan of Xymox, Lords of Acid, Amnesia, Umo Detic, Tribe 22, Assemblage 23, The Overlords, VNV Nation.... off the top of my head.

(that should keep you busy)


Know a lot of those too...Skinny Puppy was an obsession of mine for years but there's a few there I missed.

Like I said, music taste all over the place. I have a lot of folk, old time radio, new wave, glam rock, Korean and Japanese pop, metal, etc etc , and you couldn't give me a techno suggestion that I wouldn't give a try.
 
2013-01-22 07:42:03 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.

Shoulda told me this earlier. I have tons of oldskool EBM and Belgian New Beat. Bigod 20, Nitzer Ebb, Blancmange, Skinny Puppy, Voltage Control, KMFDM, Art of Noise, Frontline Assembly, Apoptygma Bezerk, Cubanate, Hate Dept., Wumpscutt, Acumen Nation, Haujobb, Die Krupps, Icon of Coil, Public Relations, Force Legato, Matrixx, Clan of Xymox, Lords of Acid, Amnesia, Umo Detic, Tribe 22, Assemblage 23, The Overlords, VNV Nation.... off the top of my head.

(that should keep you busy)


I should mention, to not sound ungrateful up there, that I listed Chicane and the rest because I'm looking for lighter but engaging electronic music for day work. Dance beats are ok, but harder stuff (even on the "lighter" side like Lords of Acid) in my office would be a little much...
 
2013-01-22 07:43:50 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I was introduced to trance back in the mid 90's in grad school by a European friend and a 12 disc collection called "Space N Bass".


I just went to a bunch of raves.
 
2013-01-22 07:45:10 AM  
i must be an exception. i've always listened to hard rock and heavy metal. when i was young it was mostly hair metal like bon jovi and warrant, but by the time i left high school i listened to fear factory, marilyn manson, pantera, whatever. these days i've even crossed into death metal but mostly i listen to mainstream metal like lamb of god and machine head.

and i've never been rebellious or a problem for my parents. i graduated high school and college with honors, i've never been arrested, i don't do drugs or even drink alcohol. i can't think of a single argument i've ever had with my parents. i was a polite, well-mannered teenager for the most part.
 
2013-01-22 07:49:05 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Like I said, music taste all over the place. I have a lot of folk, old time radio, new wave, glam rock, Korean and Japanese pop, metal, etc etc , and you couldn't give me a techno suggestion that I wouldn't give a try.


Okay, Jpop and Kpop. There is more to it than just Ayumi Hamasaki and Megumi Hayashibara. There's also --

j/k

yah, I think that's enough for now.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I should mention, to not sound ungrateful up there, that I listed Chicane and the rest because I'm looking for lighter but engaging electronic music for day work


That's certainly what I've given you then. Good, easy muzak to plug through the day (as I said: I once listened to Peacock Tail non-stop for 7 hours.... just one of those songs that gets you through one more minute/hour/day)
 
2013-01-22 07:49:30 AM  
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2013-01-22 07:50:49 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 07:51:49 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I was introduced to trance back in the mid 90's in grad school by a European friend and a 12 disc collection called "Space N Bass".

I just went to a bunch of raves.


Mmm, glow sticks, long nights and lots of Burning Man too... but then I got recruited to work in a position needing some security clearance...so that went out. But there were some decent clubs around to fill in.
 
2013-01-22 07:55:32 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Like I said, music taste all over the place. I have a lot of folk, old time radio, new wave, glam rock, Korean and Japanese pop, metal, etc etc , and you couldn't give me a techno suggestion that I wouldn't give a try.

Okay, Jpop and Kpop. There is more to it than just Ayumi Hamasaki and Megumi Hayashibara. There's also --

j/k

yah, I think that's enough for now.


Brown Eyed Girl's Abracadabra won't get out of my head some days.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: I should mention, to not sound ungrateful up there, that I listed Chicane and the rest because I'm looking for lighter but engaging electronic music for day work

That's certainly what I've given you then. Good, easy muzak to plug through the day (as I said: I once listened to Peacock Tail non-stop for 7 hours.... just one of those songs that gets you through one more minute/hour/day)


Thank you again. You're an angel. :)
 
2013-01-22 07:59:26 AM  
My musical timeline by age (Extremely Condensed):

Weezer, Nirvana - Introduced by my cool babysitters.

Eminem (I know) Beastie Boys - Mostly JR. High

Rancid, NOFX, Bad Religion - Freshman year. Never really quit listening to punk.

TOOL - Tool took over for the remainder of high school.

Rap/Club Music, Techno - College party time. Regretfully...

Classic Rock, Led Zep, Beatles, Stones, more punk - Sophomore year through college graduation

Local music (mpls), The Smiths, indie, World Music, more punk - Current music preferences.

/csb
 
2013-01-22 08:11:38 AM  
I like this.

Melvins-Revolve


and this

Ween-The Mollusk

Oh and all Zappa. Good stuff.

Wubstep or whatever it is doesnt do much for me.
 
2013-01-22 08:12:44 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

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Richard James is to electronic music what Astor Piazzolla is to the tango.

come to daddy...


^^^^THIS^^^^
 
2013-01-22 08:29:26 AM  

Smidge204: Loud and obnoxious I understand, but what the hell is "rebellious" music? Never quite understood how that adjective applies...

=Smidge=


Basically it's dangerous, uncompromising music
 
2013-01-22 08:33:56 AM  

uttertosh: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

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I've been cK1'ing to Aphex since the mid 90's. I Think Skrillex is awesome stuff.

No, seriously. They're related by genre, in as much as the Twin's 'genre' is self-defining, spanning styles from acid/breakbeat rave right up to the point where you can audibly trace the evolution of the musicalDNA of dubstep, just by listening. Dubstep, much like it's tougher older brother Techstep, have roots in tecno, D&B, Jungle, rave and acid, but has dancehall reggae and dub chromosomes stitched in there.

Think Kraftwerk and Buju Banton's aspergers lovechild. Skrillex. pass the cK1, mate.


Have you stopped and listened to yourself lately?
 
2013-01-22 08:36:09 AM  

enderthexenocide: i must be an exception.


yup
 
2013-01-22 08:42:23 AM  
I'm am arrogant, elitist jerk, so it's appropriate that I'm a prog-rock fan.

I'm also anti-social and have anger issues, so I listen to metal as well.

But, deep down inside, I'm a broken romantic with tremendous passion, which is why I love romantic-era composers.

Add all that up, add in a tendency to get bored really easily, and this is what I listen to on the way to work in the morning.

or, more recently, this.
 
2013-01-22 08:47:36 AM  
This has been in rotation for me since a friend gave it to me around 2000,

Richie Hawtin || Decks EFX 909

One single long track, I believe it was mixed live. Good if'n ya like it.
 
2013-01-22 08:47:47 AM  

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I see you're old like me.
 
2013-01-22 08:59:32 AM  

StrangeQ:
Have you stopped and listened to yourself lately?


I thought I made my intent perfectly clear by callin Skrillex the aspergers lovechild of Kraftwerk and Buju freakin Banton, ffs. Got the desired result from Mr. Scene and his Amazingly Dorky Music History Knowledge, though.

/was around when 2step was getting the chicks back into clubs just fine.
//has been writing intelligent dance music since before it was described that way.
///shameless self unpromoter. No, I won't let you hear any. Not yours.
//Glasgows Morphy got me writing on a 303,101,202,606, hr16 when we were both 16.
/Suck the left one, it's lumpier.
 
2013-01-22 09:11:24 AM  

enderthexenocide: i must be an exception. i've always listened to hard rock and heavy metal. when i was young it was mostly hair metal like bon jovi and warrant, but by the time i left high school i listened to fear factory, marilyn manson, pantera, whatever. these days i've even crossed into death metal but mostly i listen to mainstream metal like lamb of god and machine head.

and i've never been rebellious or a problem for my parents. i graduated high school and college with honors, i've never been arrested, i don't do drugs or even drink alcohol. i can't think of a single argument i've ever had with my parents. i was a polite, well-mannered teenager for the most part.


Similar to me. I just like music with energy. I've seen Richie Havens play live, and I've seen Rob Zombie live. I've been to chiptunes concerts and I've been to rap concerts. It's all good.
 
2013-01-22 09:12:41 AM  
A friend of mine in college had a roommate he constantly fought with.

His roommate liked to listen to loud, angry metal music at ridiculous volumes.

One day my friend engaged him in conversation about his music tastes and said something to the effect of,

FRIEND: "That's some pretty angry music."

ROOMMATE: "Yeah, it's *whateverstupidband*, great huh?"

FRIEND: "So... are you angry at your zits?"

From that day forth, that type of music was known as "angry at my zits" music.
 
2013-01-22 09:27:14 AM  

uttertosh: StrangeQ:
Have you stopped and listened to yourself lately?

I thought I made my intent perfectly clear by callin Skrillex the aspergers lovechild of Kraftwerk and Buju freakin Banton, ffs. Got the desired result from Mr. Scene and his Amazingly Dorky Music History Knowledge, though.

/was around when 2step was getting the chicks back into clubs just fine.
//has been writing intelligent dance music since before it was described that way.
///shameless self unpromoter. No, I won't let you hear any. Not yours.
//Glasgows Morphy got me writing on a 303,101,202,606, hr16 when we were both 16.
/Suck the left one, it's lumpier.



It's like you're knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.

How on Earth do you do that?
 
2013-01-22 09:34:50 AM  
Go to mpiii.com, create an account, write an intro post to get points and start downloading dozens of Hawtin live sets from that era. I'm sure there are other places to find direct link live sets but this site is clean. Kinda dead these days but I built up a good portion of my tech library from this site, back when I was more heavily into this stuff. (I still have about 2000 points I don't know what to do with...)

croesius: This has been in rotation for me since a friend gave it to me around 2000,

Richie Hawtin || Decks EFX 909

One single long track, I believe it was mixed live. Good if'n ya like it.

 
2013-01-22 09:35:21 AM  
FTFA: 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16.


i.imgur.com

"I used to be a model until I started listening to Toccata and Fugue in D minor for Organ by Bach. Now I'm hopelessly addicted to meth."

 
2013-01-22 09:37:31 AM  
But when you're a quiet rebellious adult you make Tiger Lilly lines into ring tones.

/Heroin heroin and cocaine
 
2013-01-22 09:43:03 AM  
Not a condemnation on anything/anyone but I think it would be interesting to take say B. B. King and not only show him how jazz evolved but how it lead to stuff like Skrillex

/not a fan of dubsep
//or rap or modern country wanna be pop stars with a southern accent
///fan of pretty much everything else
////though it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing ;)
 
2013-01-22 09:47:41 AM  

Gabrielmot: A friend of mine in college had a roommate he constantly fought with.

His roommate liked to listen to loud, angry metal music at ridiculous volumes.

One day my friend engaged him in conversation about his music tastes and said something to the effect of,

FRIEND: "That's some pretty angry music."

ROOMMATE: "Yeah, it's *whateverstupidband*, great huh?"

FRIEND: "So... are you angry at your zits?"

From that day forth, that type of music was known as "angry at my zits" music.


What's your favorite release from last year? Bruno Mars or are you more of a Kelly Clarkson type of guy?
 
2013-01-22 09:51:19 AM  
I have gift for Skrillex
www.dafont.com
 
2013-01-22 10:00:44 AM  
Skrillex is featured prominently on many of my Crossfit playlists. That's about all he's good for--the LOUD NOISES is great for throwing weights around.
 
2013-01-22 10:15:31 AM  

Ishkur: It's like you're knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.

How on Earth do you do that?



It's a surprisingly easy mix of ADD and being heavily anti-scenester. (I don't have the attention span to be bothered with the history of the scene, and I find people, who 'dork to the max' over the finest of magazine-article-fabricated historical nuances of the scene, to be utter bores with very little to add to my already overcrowded train of thought. I enjoy very much indeed parodying that persona at parties, falsely correcting peoples scenester-babble-rants, usually much to the amusement of others, though seldom to the scenester.

You talk with the magazine-educated wordage of the seasoned scenester. I genuinely have the image of you being a scene magazine article writer. For you are the Guardian of Music Historical Fact.

When I play, I avoid guys like you at all costs. All you want to do is talk about monologue on the scene. All I do is write the techbubbleprogtosh that I, me, want to dance to. I occasionally play some in front of other people in exchange for some k, beer and weed. My techbubbleprogtosh has many roots, none of which I actively applied. No deeper layers, just the techbubbleprogtosh that gets brainfarted through my current setup. Some people dance to it. No you can't get a copy. Not yours.
 
2013-01-22 10:18:52 AM  

Ishkur: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: DP is an old friend from the previous decades for me. When i was nubile and wore a lot of leather I also loved me some harder dance beats like Front 242, Ministry and more techie stuff in the genre of Kraftwerk...guess its my age slipping in.

Shoulda told me this earlier. I have tons of oldskool EBM and Belgian New Beat. Bigod 20, Nitzer Ebb, Blancmange, Skinny Puppy, Voltage Control, KMFDM, Art of Noise, Frontline Assembly, Apoptygma Bezerk, Cubanate, Hate Dept., Wumpscutt, Acumen Nation, Haujobb, Die Krupps, Icon of Coil, Public Relations, Force Legato, Matrixx, Clan of Xymox, Lords of Acid, Amnesia, Umo Detic, Tribe 22, Assemblage 23, The Overlords, VNV Nation.... off the top of my head.

(that should keep you busy)


I see we have similar taste in music.  This pleases me.

On the heavier side of goth/ebm/industrial/aggrotech, I just discovered Phosgore last night.  You want to talk loud and obnoxious?  Oh my sweet lord yes.  It's like Terrorfakt but less shop grinders and more high pitched squealies.  Behold the delight.

Also local boys FGFC820 are amongst my favorites, opened for Funker Vogt a few years back and I've been hooked ever since.  My favorite from them right here.
 
2013-01-22 10:27:03 AM  
My kids oly listen to bands you have never heard of mainly because they haven't been born yet.
 
2013-01-22 10:29:02 AM  

uttertosh: Ishkur: It's like you're knowledgeable and ignorant at the same time.

How on Earth do you do that?


It's a surprisingly easy mix of ADD and being heavily anti-scenester. (I don't have the attention span to be bothered with the history of the scene, and I find people, who 'dork to the max' over the finest of magazine-article-fabricated historical nuances of the scene, to be utter bores with very little to add to my already overcrowded train of thought. I enjoy very much indeed parodying that persona at parties, falsely correcting peoples scenester-babble-rants, usually much to the amusement of others, though seldom to the scenester.

You talk with the magazine-educated wordage of the seasoned scenester. I genuinely have the image of you being a scene magazine article writer. For you are the Guardian of Music Historical Fact.

When I play, I avoid guys like you at all costs. All you want to do is talk about monologue on the scene. All I do is write the techbubbleprogtosh that I, me, want to dance to. I occasionally play some in front of other people in exchange for some k, beer and weed. My techbubbleprogtosh has many roots, none of which I actively applied. No deeper layers, just the techbubbleprogtosh that gets brainfarted through my current setup. Some people dance to it. No you can't get a copy. Not yours.


I like the way you think. Some of the best music I've ever heard is just one guy doing his own thing, for himself.
 
2013-01-22 10:35:43 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: ok... i have to go and beat some sense into a DJ that lives down the road with a Keytar and a Roland G-707 .....

you all have fun, play safe and remember;

every time you stand up for Shrillex, a puppy gets crushed in the back seat of a Hyundai by an obese raver.

just sayin....


Does using bold make unfunny things funny?
 
2013-01-22 10:44:16 AM  
I flippin' *hate* dubstep for the most part - but I *love* this Mord Fustang track:

Weetabix ad
 
2013-01-22 10:45:34 AM  

uttertosh: It's a surprisingly easy mix of ADD and being heavily anti-scenester. (I don't have the attention span to be bothered with the history of the scene, and I find people, who 'dork to the max' over the finest of magazine-article-fabricated historical nuances of the scene, to be utter bores with very little to add to my already overcrowded train of thought. I enjoy very much indeed parodying that persona at parties, falsely correcting peoples scenester-babble-rants, usually much to the amusement of others, though seldom to the scenester.


Ah, so you're a poseur. Gotcha.

uttertosh: You talk with the magazine-educated wordage of the seasoned scenester. I genuinely have the image of you being a scene magazine article writer. For you are the Guardian of Music Historical Fact.


How very presumptuous of you. It's wrong though.

I like helping people and fighting ignorance. You like being a dick.

You can continue on being a dick if you like.

uttertosh: When I play, I avoid guys like you at all costs. All you want to do is talk about monologue on the scene


This is also wrong. I don't talk at parties. I dance.

uttertosh: All I do is write the techbubbleprogtosh


Show me. I love new music and devour everything.
 
2013-01-22 10:49:58 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.


This.  I've been a big Kraftwerk fan since the 80s.  Saw them at the Warfield in San Francisco in 2004, one of the best shows I have ever been to.
 
2013-01-22 10:52:05 AM  

HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.


Lol, it is so true. For some reason, most of the "younger" (40-50ish) CEO's/VPs I know are huge metal fans. And I don't mean AC/DC, but they like them to, but Slayer, Megadeth, Sepultura, even a few Cannibal Corpse fans, etc. These are hospital administrators, tech company execs, drug company execs, etc.
 
2013-01-22 11:04:08 AM  
All you kids don't know what real music is. These mopheaded girly boys just play three chords and say "yeah yeah yeah." Back in my day music meant something!

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-22 11:05:31 AM  
i like me some skrillex, waiting on their new 8-track to drop
/41
 
2013-01-22 11:17:09 AM  

Smidge204: Loud and obnoxious I understand, but what the hell is "rebellious" music? Never quite understood how that adjective applies...

=Smidge=


Try some outlaw country music. A little bit of Nashville Go Fark Yourself honky tonk. Then ask that question again

/Outlaw You
 
2013-01-22 11:19:36 AM  
Music Fans...... and dubstep

Not Safe For Work Language

/oblig...
 
2013-01-22 11:51:44 AM  

Bedstead Polisher: Ok. I have to ask. There are 12 year olds that listen to jazz???


Those are the Homeschool kids. It's all their parents let them listen to.
 
2013-01-22 11:59:39 AM  
Wow, went to sleep, woke up, and this has turned into a pretty cool thread.
 
2013-01-22 12:11:23 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Haliburton Cummings: ok... i have to go and beat some sense into a DJ that lives down the road with a Keytar and a Roland G-707 .....

you all have fun, play safe and remember;

every time you stand up for Shrillex, a puppy gets crushed in the back seat of a Hyundai by an obese raver.

just sayin....

Does using bold make unfunny things funny?


you sound fa....oh nevermind
 
2013-01-22 12:18:38 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Haliburton Cummings: ok... i have to go and beat some sense into a DJ that lives down the road with a Keytar and a Roland G-707 .....

you all have fun, play safe and remember;

every time you stand up for Shrillex, a puppy gets crushed in the back seat of a Hyundai by an obese raver.

just sayin....

Does using bold make unfunny things funny?


actually, when trolling the SHRILLMEX threads, it helps to stand out from the disco wharrrgggbbblle.
it also helps to attract idiotic comments from people so late to the thread, they look daft even posting in the first place.

AND they don't have a glitter button.


howmidoin?
 
2013-01-22 12:29:15 PM  

theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

www.artrocker.tv2.bp.blogspot.com
i.ytimg.comreinspired.files.wordpress.comwww.romston.com

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids
 
2013-01-22 12:36:01 PM  

blue_2501: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]

If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300][2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360][reinspired.files.wordpress.com image 320x240][www.romston.com image 640x384]

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids


yeah the Come To Daddy video has to be one of the best ever made in the medium. Window Licker is pretty amazing as well.
 
2013-01-22 12:49:04 PM  

blue_2501: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]

If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300][2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360][reinspired.files.wordpress.com image 320x240][www.romston.com image 640x384]

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids


Never heard of Aphex Twin until I saw the Rubber Johnny video. I was hooked.
 
2013-01-22 12:56:33 PM  

sleeper2995: My kids oly listen to bands you have never heard of mainly because they haven't been born yet.


Your kids or the bands?
 
2013-01-22 12:59:34 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: it helps to stand out


If your comment requires bold text to stand out, it's not worth posting.
 
2013-01-22 01:04:35 PM  
I just wanted to throw out

STARfarkER.
 
2013-01-22 01:15:12 PM  

blue_2501: theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]

If you're going to go Aphex Twin on the thread, f**king do it ALL THE WAY!

[www.artrocker.tv image 300x300][2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]
[i.ytimg.com image 480x360][reinspired.files.wordpress.com image 320x240][www.romston.com image 640x384]

/Chris Cunningham is a goddamn evil genius
//anybody who disagrees with me should be beaten by a bunch of pint-size kids


All of my yes.  Yes yes yes.
 
2013-01-22 01:17:20 PM  

JungleBoogie: Seems kind of reminiscent of the 80's techno music scene:

1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit

2) Newcleus - Jam On It

3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia

But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.

Dubstep:

1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped

2) (Note: very loud): Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites, Skrillex

And there seem to be various sub-flavors of dubstep, per the above links.


I've never been much for techno or any of its spin-offs, but I have to admit that one's pretty engaging. Has almost a metal vibe, and being a metalhead that resonates with me.

Truth be told I'd otherwise never pay attention to Skrillex. The name alone makes me thing of some sort of cooking infomercial.

"Just coat your pan in Skrillex and the eggs just slide right off!"

But that track is pretty cool.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:52 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


2 pages of comments and no "Sesame Street Aliens Discover Dubstep" ?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-01-22 01:23:07 PM  
Skrillex sounds like the Decepticons taking a sh** into a cutlery drawer.

www.seibertron.com
 
2013-01-22 01:24:32 PM  

I Like Bread: I don't know if I was ever particularly rebellious... but I like to sit quietly and listen to technical grindcore. It's wonderfully jazzy.


Your post reminded me of the "band" my friend and I had in high school. It was me randomly playing on my guitar (as I had no idea how to play said guitar) and my friend screaming/wailing lyrics. It was terribly awful on purpose, but it was fun. Then he would post it to sites that had samples/demos of people who actually tried making music and just get blasted in the comments. I found a CD we recorded and gave it to his parents. Here is a posting of lyrics he put up, but I couldn't find a link to any of the songs he posted (had a few leads, but they are blocked at work).

Yes, we did name our band "A Moon Beneath The Grindsludge".
 
2013-01-22 02:16:43 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Haliburton Cummings: it helps to stand out

If your comment requires bold text to stand out, it's not worth posting.


well, we can't all stand out in our brilliance like you can can we?

don't you have to be a weight watchers in 26 minutes?
go troll the brony threads k?

ok toughstuff
 
2013-01-22 02:24:44 PM  
Here's the thing about Skrillex. His "music" is either so avant garde, it's beyond the most avant garde jazz ever composed...but more likely it's just that...

He has no clue how to compose a song.

I'm serious. His shiat sounds like some high school kid found a sequencer with some samples and just started throwing them together, without any clue about measures, bars, meter, dynamics.

And I'm not just some old man saying get off my lawn. I love dub step. it's just his dub step suck ballz!
 
2013-01-22 02:29:00 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft untalented douche.

ftf everyone


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-22 02:31:01 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: well, we can't all stand out in our brilliance like you can can we?


Well, you sure can't.

Haliburton Cummings: don't you have to be a weight watchers in 26 minutes?


Sure don't.
 
2013-01-22 02:36:14 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: I've never been much for techno or any of its spin-offs, but I have to admit that one's pretty engaging. Has almost a metal vibe, and being a metalhead that resonates with me.


Some believe that is one of the main reasons why brostep is so popular in US
/Still doesn't work on people with strong Real Instrument Fetish

Link
 
2013-01-22 02:38:20 PM  
Reading this thread has inspired me to listen to Skinny Puppy's "Cleanse, Fold, Manipulate" on the train ride home tonight. Thanks everyone!
 
2013-01-22 02:43:54 PM  
 
2013-01-22 03:30:29 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Reading this thread has inspired me to listen to Skinny Puppy's "Cleanse, Fold, Manipulate" on the train ride home tonight. Thanks everyone!


wow the last time i heard about Skinny Puppy was 1990
 
2013-01-22 05:44:03 PM  

LewDux: Guide to Electronic Sub-Genres and Styles with Youtube samples for quick listening.


Neat. I'll have to check that out when I get home.
 
2013-01-22 06:06:05 PM  
Music is music and your tastes are usually context-sensitive. What we perceive as crap is perceived as "awesome" by other people.

/listened to mostly Styx and Journey as a kid, so I really really can't knock this music because mine was cheesy shiat.
 
2013-01-22 06:33:35 PM  

JungleBoogie: 1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit
2) Newcleus - Jam On It
3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia
But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.
Dubstep:
1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped


And here we come to the BIGGEST problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

There are no original dubstep tracks. All dubstep is a violent invasion and takeover of an already existing pop hit. Dubstep cannot create, it can only corrupt. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.
 
2013-01-22 07:22:33 PM  

Cpl.D: "Skillrex"? Not familiar. What instrument does he play?


None. People don't use "instruments" any longer. And music is now broken down into 8,456,432,001 sub categories...
 
2013-01-22 07:25:10 PM  
"Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains."

-Buddy Ackerman, "Swimming With Sharks"
 
2013-01-22 08:31:37 PM  

Ishkur: JungleBoogie: 1) Herbie Hancock - Rockit
2) Newcleus - Jam On It
3) Art of Noise - Paranoimia
But take that, separate and isolate the melodic portions from the discordant portions and voila - dubstep.
Dubstep:
1) Pumped Up Kicks, dubstepped

And here we come to the BIGGEST problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

There are no original dubstep tracks. All dubstep is a violent invasion and takeover of an already existing pop hit. Dubstep cannot create, it can only corrupt. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.


I don't particularly like dubstep either, but do you also rant at those who use electric guitar, since that's just a copy of the acoustic guitar, whose users you also rant at because that's just a remake of the banjo, whose users you rant at since that's just a 5 string version of the banya?

Hell, do you refuse to listen from anything that's an offshoot of jazz (including by extension any offshoot of rock) because that was created by slaves simply taking West European melodies and "implanting" African rhythm and antiphonal structure?

/around 50% serious
 
2013-01-22 08:35:13 PM  

ATRDCI: I don't particularly like dubstep either, but do you also rant at those who use electric guitar, since that's just a copy of the acoustic guitar, whose users you also rant at because that's just a remake of the banjo, whose users you rant at since that's just a 5 string version of the banya?

Hell, do you refuse to listen from anything that's an offshoot of jazz (including by extension any offshoot of rock) because that was created by slaves simply taking West European melodies and "implanting" African rhythm and antiphonal structure?



You need to read the whole thread.

No, seriously.
 
2013-01-22 09:10:23 PM  

Ishkur: ATRDCI: I don't particularly like dubstep either, but do you also rant at those who use electric guitar, since that's just a copy of the acoustic guitar, whose users you also rant at because that's just a remake of the banjo, whose users you rant at since that's just a 5 string version of the banya?

Hell, do you refuse to listen from anything that's an offshoot of jazz (including by extension any offshoot of rock) because that was created by slaves simply taking West European melodies and "implanting" African rhythm and antiphonal structure?


You need to read the whole thread.

No, seriously.


I have, and even with "50% serious" slahsie, perhaps my response had a bit too much I suppose bile for a lack of the better term.

For full context, I make no claims to intimately knowing the "electronic scene" or whatever it is you want to call it, and I personally hope that dubstep goes the way of the dodo (as well as the auto-tune for anything other than a rarely used fix-up tool). I just think its a bit unwise to start judging a "genre" as young as dubstep is, when rock is only around 60 years old and jazz is only around 100. Especiallly when you are judging it because it takes songs outside of its genre and puts its own spin on it which pretty much every genre has done.

/I'd say dubstep's highest hope would be to be the cubism of music, but jazz sorta did that back when cubism came out in the first place
//The fact that, as you say, there are no real "dubstep songs" (yet anyway), at least signals that it will not last very long
 
2013-01-22 09:53:53 PM  

ATRDCI: For full context, I make no claims to intimately knowing the "electronic scene" or whatever it is you want to call it, and I personally hope that dubstep goes the way of the dodo (as well as the auto-tune for anything other than a rarely used fix-up tool). I just think its a bit unwise to start judging a "genre" as young as dubstep is, when rock is only around 60 years old and jazz is only around 100. Especiallly when you are judging it because it takes songs outside of its genre and puts its own spin on it which pretty much every genre has done.


oh man... this paragraph requests like three or four essays in response. I'm busy and don't have time for another massive post right now, so let me be as brief as possible.

- Technology and the pace of life has accelerated everything such that any movement or scene that might've played out organically over several years a century ago can today move through its typical phases of growth, acceptance, commercial viability, intellectual progression, etc. in a matter of weeks. 6 months is a very long time in the electronic music community and things can turn on a dime. Increased communications, technology, the speed at which the music can be made, produced, performed, and disseminated to everybody is unparalleled.

This is why it's improper to compare today's movements to that of Jazz and Rock. They came about at a time where it would have taken several years to set up labels, write/record/produce music, perform it in front of audiences and spread the media around for home use. Today, this process can be accomplished in days. So while you might think its disingenuous to compare a 7 year old genre to a 60 year old genre, keep in mind that in those 7 years that genre has released more music than in that 60 year old genre's first 30 years of existence and that music has reached more ears faster and more efficiently than any previous music or fad. And almost all without the benefit of commercial media.

It took the Beatles two years of relentless writing, performing, playing and touring to make it big with Please Please Me. They had an estimated 40 million fans by that point. Kpop sensation Psy accumulated that many in a single day.

Everything is sped up now, which means not only can movements arrive in a flash, but they can disappear in a flash too. In electronic music's case, the general rule of thumb is that a single genre (with its own self-contained and self-derived code of esthetics and style) tends to have a shelf-life of about 3-5 years tops (although this duration is shrinking). At that point, it will have either evolved into a subgenre or split into other genres, or get supplanted by another thing entirely.

I will tell you one thing, though: An interesting thing about musical evolution is that, unlike biological evolution, no genre ever goes extinct. There is always someone somewhere still making the stuff (and if you disagree, head down to New Orleans and check out the still vibrant Zydeco community). And if a genre does go extinct, it will be resurrected (lazarus taxonomies are abundant in electronic music).

- Regarding "taking other music and putting its own spin on it", I'm not talking about covers/remixes/mashup/sampling (a genre should not subsist solely on a diet of those things anyway). Dubstep doesn't have any actual full, original songs -- it simply injects itself into existing songs, which are played as is (or sped up/transposed), then instead of the chorus, you get a 64th slice of the last bar looping and then "the drop". For like a minute. And then the song comes back. That's dubstep -- that middle "drop" part right there. It's not the full song, it's just that little bridge. Like I said, it can't exist by itself, it can only exist inside other songs. Like a virus.

(someone will probably come up with exceptions, but seriously -- that's not indicative of the genre now, is it?)


Dammit, you just made me write another essay. Stop it.
 
2013-01-23 02:09:58 AM  

Ishkur:
oh man... this paragraph requests like three or four essays in response. I'm busy and don't have time for another massive post right now, so let me be as brief as possible...

...That's dubstep -- that middle "drop" part right there. It's not the full song, it's just that little bridge. Like I said, it can't exist by itself, it can only exist inside other songs. Like a virus.


Okay.. if you admit the "guitar" is a virus, too, i'm okay with that.
 
2013-01-23 05:26:43 AM  

LookForTheArrow: Okay.. if you admit the "guitar" is a virus, too, i'm okay with that.


no.
 
2013-01-23 08:50:33 AM  

LookForTheArrow: Ishkur:
oh man... this paragraph requests like three or four essays in response. I'm busy and don't have time for another massive post right now, so let me be as brief as possible...

...That's dubstep -- that middle "drop" part right there. It's not the full song, it's just that little bridge. Like I said, it can't exist by itself, it can only exist inside other songs. Like a virus.

Okay.. if you admit the "guitar" is a virus, too, i'm okay with that.


No, *this* is a Virus:
medias.audiofanzine.com
 
2013-01-23 12:59:30 PM  

Ishkur: Dammit, you just made me write another essay.


Well, hold on a minute, I don't recall anyone really had a gun to your head, young man. ;-P
 
2013-01-24 03:25:51 AM  
Well Ishkur you just got kittay to fave this whole thread.
 
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