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(Toronto Star)   Scientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"   (thestar.com) divider line 238
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2013-01-21 08:59:39 PM  
And then one day you're in the grocery store and realize they are playing Scorp's "Big City Nights" on the PA.

/csb
 
2013-01-22 12:03:44 AM  
We asked Star readers what they were to listening to when they were 12.

I think the only stuff I heard at 12 was the stuff my mom listened to: Abba, The Village People and Jim Neighbors. When I went over to a neighbor kid's house one day and his older brother played "Should I Stay or Should I Go" and "Another One Bites the Dust" I really didn't know what to make of them.

Unsurprisingly I didn't get into any trouble with the law as a teen.
 
2013-01-22 12:31:43 AM  
Nah, I'm old now and I still listen to angry rebellious music.

Don't trust anyone over 60!
 
2013-01-22 12:31:45 AM  
At first I was like, "Is this the Daily Mail?" And then I was like, "Oh, it's the Star."
 
2013-01-22 12:32:12 AM  
What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?
 
2013-01-22 12:33:21 AM  
If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.
 
2013-01-22 12:33:25 AM  
Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.

The Fish Cheer & I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag
Country Joe
 
2013-01-22 12:33:51 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of sausage for vegetarians
 
2013-01-22 12:33:56 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


Dubstep. Or so I've heard. I've been really out of the electronic music scene for the past 15 years or so.
 
2013-01-22 12:34:15 AM  
Skrillex is new school dubstep. It involves a lot of high pitch screeching and some wub wub wub.
 
2013-01-22 12:34:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft untalented douche.


ftf everyone
 
2013-01-22 12:35:01 AM  
Subby:
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 12:36:28 AM  
SubbyScientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"

This study sponsored by the Belt Onion Association of America
 
2013-01-22 12:41:54 AM  
I'm still waiting for the Stooges "I Wanna Be Your Dog" to be turned into Musack.
 
2013-01-22 12:42:06 AM  
Oblig:

30.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 12:46:11 AM  
Skrillex is great, sometimes. I love finely-crafted dubstep. It's harder to get right than people think. Surely it's easier than playing a violin or something because that's manual not digital manipulation.

I like Skrillex, I like wubs, I like indie, I like speed metal, I like classical, and I like bands like CCR too. I even have a particular persuasion towards Gregorian Chant.

/i'm young too
//while most of my generation is not as varied
///many of us are
 
2013-01-22 12:47:24 AM  
Hey, man, it's farking hard for teenagers to have rebellious music these days.  "Melody" has been used up, as has "rhythm," and that bastard Paul Simon even stole *actual* African music.  So they went electronic with the oontz oontz oontz and then now there's 40-year-olds like me enjoying Underworld and The Orb.  What is a teenager to do?  THERE'S NOTHING FREAKING LEFT!

Or is there?  What if we took music and just started throwing in random noise?  What if we took a normal electronic track and threw it down three flights of stairs?  The old people will HATE IT!!!!

Well now... now we have something going on!  It will truly piss off the oldsters.  Huzzah!
 
2013-01-22 12:47:36 AM  
When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.
 
2013-01-22 12:50:53 AM  
Remember when musicians actually played instruments and had to have talent before they became "famous"?

/Yeah, I'm old too.
 
2013-01-22 12:51:35 AM  
"It found 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16."
"Conversely, 12-year-olds who listened to R&B, rock, punk and techno showed no rebellious behaviour at the younger age, but did when they got to age 16."


heh.

Interesting that the researchers -- and the article writer -- felt fit to actually differentiate between the two. You don't normally see that in media.

Of course, it's still not certain what criteria they're using. When they say techno, do they mean actual Detroit techno or everything else that they've been mislabelling as techno for the past 20 years? ....and which genre of trance? The trippy psychedelic goa stuff or the anthemic euro disney cheese stuff?


Of course, the REAL problem with attributing delinquency with music taste is the fact that 12 year olds are about as experienced in music as they are in sex. At age 12 and under, the two most dominant musical influences tend to be family (parents early on, and older siblings later) and media (television/radio). 12 year olds don't really have a standard of comparison to know what they like and don't like so they always sponge off whatever is exposed to them in their limited social spheres (home/school). Pop music is VERY accessible to 12 year olds because it is the most digestible -- it is simple, shallow pap with easily understandable lyrics and sing-a-long melodies. Children cling to it as they would their training wheels when they first learn to ride a bike.

At age 16, a child's music choices broaden thanks to larger/more social circles (high school, sports, activities, parties/dances, etc.) but they are still no better off when they were 12 and most of them haven't developed their own musical identity yet (a lot of teenagers haven't even found themselves much less their favorite music). Pop/Top40 is always the null hypothesis.

The age at which someone is actually mature enough to leave the nest of commercial music and strike out for their own eclectic niches typically starts happening around 17-20. Almost always culminates with leaving home/school to go to college. They discover underground subcultures, experiment with drugs, go to clubs/bars once they reach drinking age, learn about zines and scenes and indie bands, and they become a goth/punk/raver/metalhead/rivethead/hipster/geek/etc... and partake in the musical anthems endemic to those scenes.

So it's not an honest experiment. Too many social factors at work and adolescence is a very volatile period to make any blanket psychological assertions.
 
2013-01-22 12:53:15 AM  

Ed Willy: SubbyScientists from the Department of Obvious find that loud, obnoxious, rebellious music is preferred by loud, obnoxious, rebellious teenagers. Skrillex immediately returns to studio to produce another "album"

This study sponsored by the Belt Onion Association of America


AKA fark.com/entertainment
 
2013-01-22 12:53:50 AM  

fusillade762: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?

Dubstep. Or so I've heard. I've been really out of the electronic music scene for the past 15 years or so.


Well, you remember Aphex Twin, right?
 
2013-01-22 12:54:50 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's like a George Foreman grill that over cooks everything till it's inedible.
 
2013-01-22 12:54:53 AM  

HotWingAgenda: When I was in high school, the people that listened to the loudest, most obnoxious and rebellious music were the metalheads and goths. And they were all extremely quiet and polite when not at concerts.

All the adults I know that listen to metal are super mild-mannered with successful careers and families.


Goths are usually polite and quiet (though not extremely) even at concerts these days. The ones who are obnoxious and loud are part of those fun subgenres of Goth like Cybergoth (happy go lucky people who demand the DJ plays "happier music", wears tubes in their hair, lots of neon colors, probably is on a drug or two, and listens to slightly "darker" versions of techno music; makes me in awe how that part of the scene mainly took over alot of the clubs and the subculture still survives despite of them).
 
2013-01-22 12:55:00 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.
 
2013-01-22 12:55:30 AM  
Skrillex has some stuff that is a bit out there but he also has some stuff that is friggin' awesome. "Goin' In- Goin Hard Mix" is tits. Bangarang, Kyoto, Cinema...all really good stuff
 
2013-01-22 12:55:56 AM  

Ishkur: AverageAmericanGuy: Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.

Skrillex is boring and his music is for k-holes.


Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.
 
2013-01-22 12:57:36 AM  
they'll start listening to bach and beethoven and freak us all out

yes, just like a clockwork orange
 
2013-01-22 12:58:40 AM  
Over the Christmas holiday I spoke of not knowing what dubstep is/was. I was summarily laughed at by my younger brother and his friend. Do I qualify for an onion belt yet?
 
2013-01-22 01:00:20 AM  
I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

images.theage.com.au
 
2013-01-22 01:00:53 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's the maritime equivalent of a venereal disease....it get's on the bottom of your hull and slowly eats away at the waste port until it reaches the head.
 
2013-01-22 01:02:50 AM  

theMightyRegeya: I don't like dubstep, but I'm willing to bet some of the people here dissing it were fans of this:

[images.theage.com.au image 420x279]


Richard James is to electronic music what Astor Piazzolla is to the tango.

come to daddy...
 
2013-01-22 01:03:16 AM  
Ok. I have to ask. There are 12 year olds that listen to jazz???
 
2013-01-22 01:04:19 AM  
It's a study from professor at a university in The Netherlands, so I imagine they followed Dutch children. After living in NL for two years, there's something... different about society and music tastes there. I'm not sure what, but what works there in terms of predictive characteristics from music taste, I'm not sure would work in the USA.

If I had to garner a guess, media seemed pretty tightly controlled there. If your taste in music wasn't represented, you would have to go out of your way to find it and it seemed the peers and authorities took notice of it too. Perhaps that indicates the more rebellious nature of the individual? I don't know.

A completely anecdotal example: My Dutch boss was a big fan of 80s pop, especially Michael Jackson. If he found out anyone like things like metal or rap or the like, he'd either ask about it, an almost confrontational manner, or make a remark to others about how "weird" it was. It seems almost like it was setting up for trouble.

I also met some of the die-hardest metal heads there too, they'd travel all summer for the various festivals in Germany and elsewhere.
 
2013-01-22 01:05:20 AM  

Ishkur: "It found 12-year-olds with strong preferences for hip-hop, heavy metal, gothic and trance music got in trouble at age 12 and at age 16."
"Conversely, 12-year-olds who listened to R&B, rock, punk and techno showed no rebellious behaviour at the younger age, but did when they got to age 16."

heh.

Interesting that the researchers -- and the article writer -- felt fit to actually differentiate between the two. You don't normally see that in media.

Of course, it's still not certain what criteria they're using. When they say techno, do they mean actual Detroit techno or everything else that they've been mislabelling as techno for the past 20 years? ....and which genre of trance? The trippy psychedelic goa stuff or the anthemic euro disney cheese stuff?


Of course, the REAL problem with attributing delinquency with music taste is the fact that 12 year olds are about as experienced in music as they are in sex. At age 12 and under, the two most dominant musical influences tend to be family (parents early on, and older siblings later) and media (television/radio). 12 year olds don't really have a standard of comparison to know what they like and don't like so they always sponge off whatever is exposed to them in their limited social spheres (home/school). Pop music is VERY accessible to 12 year olds because it is the most digestible -- it is simple, shallow pap with easily understandable lyrics and sing-a-long melodies. Children cling to it as they would their training wheels when they first learn to ride a bike.

At age 16, a child's music choices broaden thanks to larger/more social circles (high school, sports, activities, parties/dances, etc.) but they are still no better off when they were 12 and most of them haven't developed their own musical identity yet (a lot of teenagers haven't even found themselves much less their favorite music). Pop/Top40 is always the null hypothesis.

The age at which someone is actually mature enough to leave the nest of commercial musi ...


So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.
 
2013-01-22 01:06:24 AM  
I wish I could find that strip where Calvin is playing Easy Listening music on his record player while his parents are retching in the background. "I play it real quiet, too."
 
2013-01-22 01:06:45 AM  
So I was playing Far Cry 3, and I'm at the part where you need to torch the weed fields, and the game starts blasting this annoying as shiat high pitched screech techno with some Jamaican singing, and I think to myself "this would be super fun if it wasn't for that goddamn music". Later on when I finish the game and see the credits, I realize that was one of Skrillex's "songs". Or are they all called tracks now? I don't know. All I know is, fark that guy. I don't care if it makes me sound old or un-hip, he needs to stay his ass away from whatever it is that he thinks he's doing.
/amusing anecdote, amigo
 
2013-01-22 01:07:33 AM  

drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.


I found this site pretty informative.
 
2013-01-22 01:08:16 AM  
Are they just now noticing this?
 
2013-01-22 01:09:45 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a type of pesticide they spray on hipsters to get rid of lice.
 
2013-01-22 01:11:29 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Ah, the opinion of someone who knows fark-all about techno music.


Which has nothing to do with Skrillex so congratulations on your attempt of an insult there.
 
2013-01-22 01:12:15 AM  

drateR: So what's the difference...honestly. Techno, trance, dubstep... Don't know, don't really care, but would like to know what the difference is.


Well, it depends. How patient are you and how long of an explanation do you want?
 
2013-01-22 01:13:12 AM  

The Man Who Laughs: So I was playing Far Cry 3, and I'm at the part where you need to torch the weed fields, and the game starts blasting this annoying as shiat high pitched screech techno with some Jamaican singing, and I think to myself "this would be super fun if it wasn't for that goddamn music". Later on when I finish the game and see the credits, I realize that was one of Skrillex's "songs". Or are they all called tracks now? I don't know. All I know is, fark that guy. I don't care if it makes me sound old or un-hip, he needs to stay his ass away from whatever it is that he thinks he's doing.
/amusing anecdote, amigo


"Tracks" are from CDs. You may as well call them "cuts", grandpa. :)
 
2013-01-22 01:13:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If it's too loud, you're too old.

Skrillex isn't for you to sit down and relax to. It's to get your body moving on the dance floor. He's a genius at his craft.


One of the 40 something programmers I work with discovered dubstep recently.

He really likes to code to it.

Can't say I disagree. I like to code to classical or techno or dubstep. Just something that doesn't have to many lyrics so I don't lose my train of thought and focus on the lyrics.

Of course I also like Carolina Chocolate Drops, Johnny Cash, Tom Waits, Louis Prima, Disturbed, Caravan Palace, Chingon, Gogol Bordello, Metallica, Gaelic Storm, Weird Al. I wish I could stream Pandora at work.

The only thing I don't really like is the new Country Pop crap.
 
2013-01-22 01:15:49 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: What's Skrillex? Is that like digital hardcore?


it's a brand of antidepressant they give to people who are so insecure about their own lack of good taste that they chew strangers fingernails on subway platforms while contemplating suicide.

also one of the main ingredients in a brand of vegetarian sausage.
 
2013-01-22 01:16:09 AM  
My favorite kind of music is really, f*cking, astoundingly brilliant music. Most of it is somewhere between Drowning Pool and the Carpenters. Benny Goodman and Mötorhead is good, too. Like is a smorgasbord. Music doubly so. Try everything.
 
2013-01-22 01:16:35 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.
 
2013-01-22 01:17:48 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: [images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x500]

Everyone who loves electronic music, in any form, trance, house, techno, ambient, industrial, dubstep, anything... owes a ton to these guys.


Yes they do, but damn a lot of panties get twisted when someone samples them.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:47 AM  
Say what you will, but tell me this isn't a beautiful piece of music. Link
It's one of Skrillex's song transcribed and played on piano. It gave me pause, and I realize it's not all random sounds thrown together. Do listen to the link.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:53 AM  

jtown: I wish I could find that strip where Calvin is playing Easy Listening music on his record player while his parents are retching in the background. "I play it real quiet, too."


There it is. I was wrong about his parents being in this strip.

chzmusic.files.wordpress.com
 
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