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2013-01-21 09:48:56 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Uglybarnacle: wraithmare: Uglybarnacle: well this thread is going to end spectacularly.

Also a thread-derailing question.

Say you're a digital artist that specializes in drawing anthropomorphic animals and stuff, does that make you a furry?

Go on...

/I never bookmark those kinda things anyway.

ok so im working towards an animation degree and on the side (more of a hobby) i draw alot, but I like using animal species instead of human ethnicity to help drive home character personalities more efficiently. I know alot of the 'furry' community but have no particular 'interest' (if you know what i mean) in LETS GO fark A FOX WITH TITS.

i'd link work but im gonna hold off on that for now.

I would say that no, simply drawing animal characters does not make one a furry. From my experience with the furry community (not a fur, but I respect the hell out of the group and I've been to a con - fun/long story there), the term "furry" is akin to "gamer" in that it's a self-adopted title.

What you're referencing is the "furvert" demographic which does go after the freaky crap, albeit in much smaller numbers than most of the media portrays. Most furries I've met simply think animals are cool, can see themselves respecting certain traits in those animals, and like expressing their creativity through the medium of animals. The younger and/or more hippie-based furries may have some weird-ass religion (or ass-religion, if you like the XKCD joke) around the idea that animals never cause war or genocide or pass judgement, but I've observed that they are just as much a fruit loop as the people who fark in the suits.


Ive known more than a few furries, it always seems to be "well sure, i draw and spank it to anthropomorphic wolfs farking eachother, but were not ALL perverts". Not that theyre not nice people, its just the community breakdown seems to be something akin to this.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-21 10:04:36 PM  
inikagameover.unblog.fr
 
2013-01-21 10:33:47 PM  
Hagrid has really let himself go. But the article explains why he worked at Hogwarts.
 
2013-01-21 10:36:48 PM  
fusillade762:
Of course you ask for that, or this:

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net

and instead get this:

farm9.static.flickr.com


Silly nerd boys. R2 #1 is probably very high-maintenance, and cam whoring behind your back, while R2 #2 will probably watch "Farscape" reruns with you and then happily dress up as a Vulcan for a few hours of imaginative Rishathra.  So yeah, take your pick.
 
2013-01-21 10:39:28 PM  

No Such Agency: fusillade762:
Of course you ask for that, or this:

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net

and instead get this:

farm9.static.flickr.com

Silly nerd boys. R2 #1 is probably very high-maintenance, and cam whoring behind your back, while R2 #2 will probably watch "Farscape" reruns with you and then happily dress up as a Vulcan for a few hours of imaginative Rishathra.  So yeah, take your pick.


You sound fat.
 
2013-01-21 10:51:26 PM  
www.globalnerdy.com


/YIFF in hell furries
 
2013-01-21 10:52:59 PM  
Fetish? Dragon?

www.vh1.com
 
2013-01-21 10:54:07 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: [media.cmgdigital.com image 188x235]

So, did he "trip over the curb" on the way to processing?


This guy has been playing the "oh poor fragile me" act ever since he got arrested. He's claimed he's got everything from psoriasis to the Black Death in a cheap ploy to get sympathy from the judge.

Apparently all his little f*ck-ups didn't stop him from deviating from his permitted out-of-state trip to attend his mother's funeral to go out romping around with a kid in the woods. The judge who authorized the trip was REALLY happy when he found out that he got played for a sucker.

The guy is a Jimmy Saville level pederast. He's gaming the system, and he really need a karmic H-Bomb dropped on his hairy ass as soon as possible.
 
2013-01-21 10:54:43 PM  

fusillade762: OtherLittleGuy: [media.cmgdigital.com image 188x235]

So, did he "trip over the curb" on the way to processing?

Is he wearing a yarmulke?


Dude that's what I was about to ask! Talk about a minimalist costume.
 
2013-01-21 10:58:54 PM  

d23: I hate the farking media.

Since there was one pedo in the con scene then EVERYONE is a pedo... right?

fark these simpleton farkheads. fark


Not only that, but there was nothing in the article about him being a "pedo":

In September 2011, Kramer was arrested in Milford, Conn., when he was allegedly found alone in a hotel room with a 14-year-old boy.


That was it. Not "alone while naked" or "alone playing hide the unicorn horn". Just "alone with". This is why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, at all costs.
 
2013-01-21 11:05:27 PM  

zeroeffect: The accusations hit a couple years later. I'm just sorry for the kids that were left in the company of this jerk.


Wanna know what's REALLY funny (if pedophilia can ever be funny)?

When the first charges were made, this idiot drove straight to the house of one of the kids that he.....uh....."groomed". He stood out there on the front lawn yelling "Why? Why did you tell the cops?".

Now, this would have been seen as a clear-cut case of witness-tampering (which he did get charged with), but the FUNNY thing?

THIS WASN'T THE KID THAT HAD SNITCHED! IT WAS ONE OF KRAMER'S OTHER VICTIMS THAT TOLD THE COPS!

So, the World's Stupidest Dwarf now has TWO charges of kiddy-diddling to contend with.

And I do want to know why this oaf has still been allowed to flaunt the system for as long as he has. Is it perhaps because he was supplying extra kids to some of the elites in the greater Atlanta area, and they don't want Kramer to start naming names in court?
Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)
 
2013-01-21 11:08:04 PM  

Uglybarnacle: wraithmare: Uglybarnacle: well this thread is going to end spectacularly.

Also a thread-derailing question.

Say you're a digital artist that specializes in drawing anthropomorphic animals and stuff, does that make you a furry?

Go on...

/I never bookmark those kinda things anyway.

ok so im working towards an animation degree and on the side (more of a hobby) i draw alot, but I like using animal species instead of human ethnicity to help drive home character personalities more efficiently. I know alot of the 'furry' community but have no particular 'interest' (if you know what i mean) in LETS GO fark A FOX WITH TITS.

i'd link work but im gonna hold off on that for now.


I don't claim to be an expert on what is "furry" and what isn't, although I've seen a bit of what could be considered furry literature nominated for the Hugo award for Best Graphic Story.* In one case ("Digger"), each of the animal species involved (wombat, hyena, human) had interesting, well-developed cultures in addition to the personalities of the characters. That certainly might have been doable with an entirely human case, but I doubt it would have worked as well or as easily. In another case ("Grandville"), it was a "Sherlock Holmes"-style murder mystery in an alternate history where France had won the Napoleonic wars and successfully conquered England. From a pure storytelling perspective, having anthropomorphic animals didn't add anything, unless you count a gratuitous sex scene between the protagonist and a French wolf-prostitute and you're into that sort of thing.

* The Hugo selection for Best Graphic Story does tend to be rather limited compared to other categories. I got a chance to talk to the color artist for "Girl Genius" at last year's World Science Fiction Convention, and she argued that it's because your average WorldCon attendee (and thus your typical Hugo voter) doesn't read comic books or graphic novels, so there's a lot of good stuff out there that is completely missed. That would certainly explain why every winner in that category so far has been a webcomic.
 
2013-01-21 11:10:02 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [media.cmgdigital.com image 188x235]

Luke, let me see you with my OWN eyes!


I think he just needs his harmonica

I came to say he looks more like dying Vader
 
2013-01-21 11:13:54 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)


If you're going to make insinuations about an author based solely on the actions of his editor, then I'd say you're a pusillanimous twerp.
 
2013-01-21 11:14:45 PM  

CygnusDarius: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Look!!

I've got some new stuff!

[img690.imageshack.us image 640x422]

I think my pants are in carbonite.

Ed Finnerty: Looks more like a pervy Darth Vader.

"Luke, I am your father. Now come sit on my lap for a few minutes...thaaaaaat's right"

And it's guys like that that make the rest of the geek community look like a bunch of pervy wankers. The wrong kind.


my.raex.com

I thought it was the pervy hobbit fanciers
 
2013-01-21 11:18:01 PM  

TV's Vinnie: zeroeffect: The accusations hit a couple years later. I'm just sorry for the kids that were left in the company of this jerk.

Wanna know what's REALLY funny (if pedophilia can ever be funny)?

When the first charges were made, this idiot drove straight to the house of one of the kids that he.....uh....."groomed". He stood out there on the front lawn yelling "Why? Why did you tell the cops?".

Now, this would have been seen as a clear-cut case of witness-tampering (which he did get charged with), but the FUNNY thing?

THIS WASN'T THE KID THAT HAD SNITCHED! IT WAS ONE OF KRAMER'S OTHER VICTIMS THAT TOLD THE COPS!

So, the World's Stupidest Dwarf now has TWO charges of kiddy-diddling to contend with.

And I do want to know why this oaf has still been allowed to flaunt the system for as long as he has. Is it perhaps because he was supplying extra kids to some of the elites in the greater Atlanta area, and they don't want Kramer to start naming names in court?
Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)


I always thought gaiman looked a bit off
 
2013-01-21 11:32:21 PM  

anfrind: TV's Vinnie: Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)

If you're going to make insinuations about an author based solely on the actions of his editor, then I'd say you're a pusillanimous twerp.


Deal with it.
 
2013-01-21 11:41:26 PM  

Cyno01: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Uglybarnacle: wraithmare: Uglybarnacle: well this thread is going to end spectacularly.

Also a thread-derailing question.

Say you're a digital artist that specializes in drawing anthropomorphic animals and stuff, does that make you a furry?

Go on...

/I never bookmark those kinda things anyway.

ok so im working towards an animation degree and on the side (more of a hobby) i draw alot, but I like using animal species instead of human ethnicity to help drive home character personalities more efficiently. I know alot of the 'furry' community but have no particular 'interest' (if you know what i mean) in LETS GO fark A FOX WITH TITS.

i'd link work but im gonna hold off on that for now.

I would say that no, simply drawing animal characters does not make one a furry. From my experience with the furry community (not a fur, but I respect the hell out of the group and I've been to a con - fun/long story there), the term "furry" is akin to "gamer" in that it's a self-adopted title.

What you're referencing is the "furvert" demographic which does go after the freaky crap, albeit in much smaller numbers than most of the media portrays. Most furries I've met simply think animals are cool, can see themselves respecting certain traits in those animals, and like expressing their creativity through the medium of animals. The younger and/or more hippie-based furries may have some weird-ass religion (or ass-religion, if you like the XKCD joke) around the idea that animals never cause war or genocide or pass judgement, but I've observed that they are just as much a fruit loop as the people who fark in the suits.

Ive known more than a few furries, it always seems to be "well sure, i draw and spank it to anthropomorphic wolfs farking eachother, but were not ALL perverts". Not that theyre not nice people, its just the community breakdown seems to be something akin to this.

[i.imgur.com image 562x562]


Well, I would say that it is a subconscious fascination of blurring the lines between humanity and its animal origins, and so we project our humanity onto our creations. Furries, like all other humans, also really really like sex. I imagine if you take away the anthropomorphism, and I don't think it is any worse than other "mundane" internet community when it comes to the porn.
 
2013-01-21 11:45:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: The guy is a Jimmy Saville level pederast.


Not even close. You have to go back to the Roman emperors to find someone who's molested that many young people.

/Saville's up to something like 300 victims, and that's just the ones who are still alive and who've come forward.
 
2013-01-21 11:47:32 PM  

Uglybarnacle: well this thread is going to end spectacularly.

Also a thread-derailing question.

Say you're a digital artist that specializes in drawing anthropomorphic animals and stuff, does that make you a furry?


Yes.

You are a dirty person and you should feel dirty.
 
2013-01-22 12:02:44 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
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2013-01-22 12:14:24 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: d23: I hate the farking media.

Since there was one pedo in the con scene then EVERYONE is a pedo... right?

fark these simpleton farkheads. fark

Not only that, but there was nothing in the article about him being a "pedo":

In September 2011, Kramer was arrested in Milford, Conn., when he was allegedly found alone in a hotel room with a 14-year-old boy.

That was it. Not "alone while naked" or "alone playing hide the unicorn horn". Just "alone with". This is why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, at all costs.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 12:22:00 AM  

blottoman: Fetish? Dragon?


Okay, egg is coming out.
 
2013-01-22 12:45:39 AM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Parthenogenetic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Look!!

I've got some new stuff!

[img690.imageshack.us image 640x422]

Is that... is that a femme Boba Fett?

[i.imgur.com image 320x227]

Buba Femm?


Boba Fettish?
 
2013-01-22 12:46:28 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: [www.geekologie.com image 450x728]


So...Darth Humungus?
/Fear is our Ally
 
2013-01-22 12:53:29 AM  

TV's Vinnie:
Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)



Well for one thing, I now pronounce his name differently.


/yes, i know that most pedos would self-identify as 'straight'.. i'm just going for family guy level comedy here.
 
2013-01-22 01:28:39 AM  

d23: This also came across the "Sexy Star Wars Girls" facebook group recently.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x960]

Sexy Wampa. Yes.


I know where she got that costume (nsfw).
 
2013-01-22 01:31:18 AM  
Satanic_Hamster:
costumefail.com

The tattoo is all wrong. The imperial emblam is supposed to look like this:

images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-22 01:42:17 AM  

Cyno01: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Uglybarnacle: wraithmare: Uglybarnacle: well this thread is going to end spectacularly.

Also a thread-derailing question.

Say you're a digital artist that specializes in drawing anthropomorphic animals and stuff, does that make you a furry?

Go on...

/I never bookmark those kinda things anyway.

ok so im working towards an animation degree and on the side (more of a hobby) i draw alot, but I like using animal species instead of human ethnicity to help drive home character personalities more efficiently. I know alot of the 'furry' community but have no particular 'interest' (if you know what i mean) in LETS GO fark A FOX WITH TITS.

i'd link work but im gonna hold off on that for now.

I would say that no, simply drawing animal characters does not make one a furry. From my experience with the furry community (not a fur, but I respect the hell out of the group and I've been to a con - fun/long story there), the term "furry" is akin to "gamer" in that it's a self-adopted title.

What you're referencing is the "furvert" demographic which does go after the freaky crap, albeit in much smaller numbers than most of the media portrays. Most furries I've met simply think animals are cool, can see themselves respecting certain traits in those animals, and like expressing their creativity through the medium of animals. The younger and/or more hippie-based furries may have some weird-ass religion (or ass-religion, if you like the XKCD joke) around the idea that animals never cause war or genocide or pass judgement, but I've observed that they are just as much a fruit loop as the people who fark in the suits.

Ive known more than a few furries, it always seems to be "well sure, i draw and spank it to anthropomorphic wolfs farking eachother, but were not ALL perverts". Not that theyre not nice people, its just the community breakdown seems to be something akin to this.

[i.imgur.com image 562x562]


lol that graph is so freaking true you wouldn't believe. But yeah i see what you mean.

That does cause a huge problem though when it comes to making any sort of money with the art. Odds are, you can't compete or make a dime because they all want something that's incredibly suggestive (or your quality needs to be absolutely insane). The money is in the sexy stuff. Goddamnit!
 
2013-01-22 01:53:51 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Looks more like a pervy Darth Vader.

"Luke, I am your father. Now come sit on my lap for a few minutes...thaaaaaat's right"


Done in one! "Vader!" was my first thought as well.

d23: I asked for a girl that could look like THIS is a R2D2 dress for Christmas....

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 183x275]

I was freaking ignored.


Man, that's cool. I'd wear it! Or... it would wear me, and I wouldn't look good on it.
 
2013-01-22 05:11:17 AM  

gunther_bumpass: TV's Vinnie:
Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)


Well for one thing, I now pronounce his name differently.


/yes, i know that most pedos would self-identify as 'straight'.. i'm just going for family guy level comedy here.


Turns out that's the correct way to pronounce his name, anyway.

Takes a man's man to survive growing up with that surname.
 
2013-01-22 05:13:43 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: d23: I hate the farking media.

Since there was one pedo in the con scene then EVERYONE is a pedo... right?

fark these simpleton farkheads. fark

Not only that, but there was nothing in the article about him being a "pedo":

In September 2011, Kramer was arrested in Milford, Conn., when he was allegedly found alone in a hotel room with a 14-year-old boy.

That was it. Not "alone while naked" or "alone playing hide the unicorn horn". Just "alone with". This is why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, at all costs.


I think we can start the line at "people already on trial for multiple accounts of child molestation should go to great lengths to avoid contact with children or teenagers, at all costs."

I think that's fair, don't you?
 
2013-01-22 05:22:53 AM  

TV's Vinnie: anfrind: TV's Vinnie: Trivia Note: Kramer was the editor for "The Sandman: Book of Dreams" by Neil F*CKING Gaiman (what do you Gaiman-lickers say about that?)

If you're going to make insinuations about an author based solely on the actions of his editor, then I'd say you're a pusillanimous twerp.

Deal with it.


Did Neil piss on your puppy while drunk or something?

I've never once met an editor in person. Even one that I worked with for 5 straight years, I didn't know more than the town he lived in and to wish him well during the holidays. He coulda been a serial killer for all I know.

If you're telling us that Neil and this guy took vacations to the Dominican Republic together, that might raise an eyebrow or two. Otherwise, what's your point?

/I vaguely remember a rabid Neil hater a couple of years ago. Are you the same guy?
//Farked your girl, didn't he? I've always suspected he indulged in the rockstar lifestyle back in the day.
 
2013-01-22 05:23:16 AM  
Farce-Side:
No Such Agency: fusillade762:
Of course you ask for that, or this:

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net

and instead get this:

farm9.static.flickr.com

Silly nerd boys. R2 #1 is probably very high-maintenance, and cam whoring behind your back, while R2 #2 will probably watch "Farscape" reruns with you and then happily dress up as a Vulcan for a few hours of imaginative Rishathra.  So yeah, take your pick.

You sound fat.


Pff, you're just embarrassed you had to look up "rishathra".
 
2013-01-22 06:27:12 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: That was it. Not "alone while naked" or "alone playing hide the unicorn horn". Just "alone with". This is why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, at all costs.


FTA: "Kramer was under house arrest for several years, but was later allowed to travel between Georgia and New Jersey or New York to receive medical treatments or visit his ailing mother. But he was required to report his location weekly and was not to have unsupervised contact with children under 16, according to the bond conditions."

Yes. Bail conditions are why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, or get re-arrested.
 
2013-01-22 06:46:41 AM  

ryarger: I think we can start the line at "people already on trial for multiple accounts of child molestation should go to great lengths to avoid contact with children or teenagers, at all costs."


Fixed it for you.
 
2013-01-22 08:52:38 AM  

Cyno01: Ive known more than a few furries, it always seems to be "well sure, i draw and spank it to anthropomorphic wolfs farking eachother, but were not ALL perverts". Not that theyre not nice people, its just the community breakdown seems to be something akin to this.

[i.imgur.com image 562x562]


Dated a furry for a few months, a lot of my BDSM friends also happen to be furry... They tell me how the cons are all family friendly, but then the only stories I hear coming out of them are how obnoxiously trashed they got, who hooked up, and how internet-awkward most of the attendees are, so I'm not sure how much I believe them... Maybe the family-appropriate happenings just aren't as story-worthy?
 
2013-01-22 09:14:51 AM  

peasants_are_revolting: fusillade762: OtherLittleGuy: [media.cmgdigital.com image 188x235]

So, did he "trip over the curb" on the way to processing?

Is he wearing a yarmulke?

Dude that's what I was about to ask! Talk about a minimalist costume.


As a D*C attendee since 1990, I can assure you that it's common knowledge that this guy wears his Judaism on his sleeve. Just ask the Gwinnett County cops that he regularly accuses of antisemitism.
 
2013-01-22 10:36:55 AM  

SkunkWerks: stiletto_the_wise: That was it. Not "alone while naked" or "alone playing hide the unicorn horn". Just "alone with". This is why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, at all costs.

FTA: "Kramer was under house arrest for several years, but was later allowed to travel between Georgia and New Jersey or New York to receive medical treatments or visit his ailing mother. But he was required to report his location weekly and was not to have unsupervised contact with children under 16, according to the bond conditions."

Yes. Bail conditions are why men must go to great lengths to avoid all contact with children or teenagers, or get re-arrested.


the boy was naked; short eyes had a camera. Google dat shiat yo.
 
2013-01-22 10:37:41 AM  

TV's Vinnie: And I do want to know why this oaf has still been allowed to flaunt the system for as long as he has. Is it perhaps because he was supplying extra kids to some of the elites in the greater Atlanta area, and they don't want Kramer to start naming names in court?


It took a long time for the sci-fi community to come to grips with this because he made an awful lot of friends over the years, and being one of the prime movers behind Dragon*Con was a noteworthy achievement. People were shocked by the initial accusations, and just couldn't wrap their brains around the possibility that someone they liked so much, and had done so much for fandom, could also be a pedo. Even some of the early accusers were ostracized and attacked by people who just couldn't believe that Ed could possibly do such a thing. There was also some nasty politics involved with other con organizers, so for a while, it was hard for people without first-hand knowledge, to be sure of just what the truth really was in that situation.
 
2013-01-22 11:25:22 AM  

htomc: It took a long time for the sci-fi community to come to grips with this because he made an awful lot of friends over the years,


he abused the emotional weaknesses of a bunch of autismals, is what. Start with damaged units that want to believe in dragons and shiat, get a enough of them together to create critical mass, and watch as the most charasmatic damaged unit floats to the top. These social networks are FULL of people that are looking for ways to justify how badly the behave or how sick and untreated their desires are, and when someone comes along who's functional enough to appear to self-actualize, he gets a lot of people backing him up just because, and similar sick assholes that floated to the top of the turd bowl double down, that's why legendary asshole Harlan Ellison has supported this pedo for so long. they're a bunch of sociopaths and sexual monsters that can't hack the real world, so they become petty kings of their own little tribes.

it's why I stepped out of the culture and am no longer a geek/nerd/fan. You need some perspective to see exactly how sick and troubled this culture is and stepping back in, even for a second, makes me want to have a long hot bath. WITHOUT any little boys.

Seriously, when a man or woman is older than their early twenties and emotionally still resonant with 13-15 year olds, THEY ARE ILL. They are not hip, quirky, nerdy, passionate, involved, artistic, whatever- THEY ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. older people go to older-persons events. they're out there. but if you're trawling cons for boy pussy and you're older than about 19, you are a sick fark. And that's what this guy is, no matter what else he "accomplished".
 
2013-01-22 12:08:47 PM  

htomc: It took a long time for the sci-fi community to come to grips with this because he made an awful lot of friends over the years, and being one of the prime movers behind Dragon*Con was a noteworthy achievement. People were shocked by the initial accusations, and just couldn't wrap their brains around the possibility that someone they liked so much, and had done so much for fandom, could also be a pedo.


It seems that the whole D*C enterprise was just a charade meant to get Kramer closer to his victim pool (I have heard tales of D*C in the 90's where Kramer walked around the con with his own personal harem of preteen boys in tow). Like I said, why was Kramer still allowed to flaunt the court system for as long as he had? Twelve f*cking years? Are his lawyers trying to stall in the hopes some statute of limitations kick in?

SOMEONE in high places who has some pull in the Georgia court system is working to keep this trial from starting. That much is for sure. No tinfoil hat is required here.
 
2013-01-22 01:02:00 PM  
Georgia has the highest per capita population in prison/on parole/or probation of ANY PLACE IN THE WORLD. The cops here are all roided up monsters who dress either like street thugs (think of what your average burglar might wear and then add a tiny police decal to the sleeve) or Darth Vadar. Paramilitary shiat. They honestly scare me. They will travel to other states to find people and have little to no sense of humor. It astounds me that this guy juked the system for so long. So that lends credence to the theory that he procured for other, higher up pedophiles. Creative Loafing had a damning article about this guy at least a decade ago. What the hell took so long?
 
2013-01-22 01:02:57 PM  
Meant to add that Georgia was founded as a penal colony and we've never gotten over it.
 
2013-01-22 01:16:01 PM  

Polish Hussar: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Parthenogenetic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Look!!

I've got some new stuff!

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Is that... is that a femme Boba Fett?

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Buba Femm?

Boba Fettish?


I like the term Boobie-Fett. I think I came up with it, however I could see how others could.

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2013-01-22 03:46:21 PM  

willfullyobscure: Seriously, when a man or woman is older than their early twenties and emotionally still resonant with 13-15 year olds, THEY ARE ILL. They are not hip, quirky, nerdy, passionate, involved, artistic, whatever- THEY ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. older people go to older-persons events. they're out there. but if you're trawling cons for boy pussy and you're older than about 19, you are a sick fark. And that's what this guy is, no matter what else he "accomplished".


Depends; been part of the table top gaming and online gaming circles for a long while. You do have some young teenagers like that who you wouldn't even be able to tell are a teenager if you hadn't met them in real life or they told you.
 
2013-01-22 04:13:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: willfullyobscure: Seriously, when a man or woman is older than their early twenties and emotionally still resonant with 13-15 year olds, THEY ARE ILL. They are not hip, quirky, nerdy, passionate, involved, artistic, whatever- THEY ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. older people go to older-persons events. they're out there. but if you're trawling cons for boy pussy and you're older than about 19, you are a sick fark. And that's what this guy is, no matter what else he "accomplished".

Depends; been part of the table top gaming and online gaming circles for a long while. You do have some young teenagers like that who you wouldn't even be able to tell are a teenager if you hadn't met them in real life or they told you.



I'm aware. I have friends seriously into table top gaming and cons and all that stuff. I hung out with older fans and gamers myself when i was 13-14-15 I don't have a lot of time for it and it doesn't turn my crank anymore. BUT, and this is the but, they share their hobbies in sane, responsible ways even if teens want to join in and they understand appropriate behavior and the difference between chidren, young adults, and actual adults, and they don't try and have sex with them. I also know people that use fandom and gaming to cover their bad behavior and abuse others. Its rampant in the community. Ed Kramer is scum and always has been.
 
2013-01-22 05:04:49 PM  

willfullyobscure: htomc: It took a long time for the sci-fi community to come to grips with this because he made an awful lot of friends over the years,

he abused the emotional weaknesses of a bunch of autismals, is what. Start with damaged units that want to believe in dragons and shiat, get a enough of them together to create critical mass, and watch as the most charasmatic damaged unit floats to the top. These social networks are FULL of people that are looking for ways to justify how badly the behave or how sick and untreated their desires are, and when someone comes along who's functional enough to appear to self-actualize, he gets a lot of people backing him up just because, and similar sick assholes that floated to the top of the turd bowl double down, that's why legendary asshole Harlan Ellison has supported this pedo for so long. they're a bunch of sociopaths and sexual monsters that can't hack the real world, so they become petty kings of their own little tribes.

it's why I stepped out of the culture and am no longer a geek/nerd/fan. You need some perspective to see exactly how sick and troubled this culture is and stepping back in, even for a second, makes me want to have a long hot bath. WITHOUT any little boys.

Seriously, when a man or woman is older than their early twenties and emotionally still resonant with 13-15 year olds, THEY ARE ILL. They are not hip, quirky, nerdy, passionate, involved, artistic, whatever- THEY ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. older people go to older-persons events. they're out there. but if you're trawling cons for boy pussy and you're older than about 19, you are a sick fark. And that's what this guy is, no matter what else he "accomplished".


Wow. Bitter much?

I've been working with fan cons for 15 years and going for over 25, and that has not been my experience at all.

There are definitely creepers but most of the organizers keep an eye out for them. There are also families who attend together and lots of folks who just dip in for fun every so often. And there are hardcore people who you kind of feel sorry for because this is their only real social vector. But the sort of broken, awful person you describe is, thankfully, VERY rare.
 
2013-01-22 05:06:40 PM  

willfullyobscure: htomc: It took a long time for the sci-fi community to come to grips with this because he made an awful lot of friends over the years,

he abused the emotional weaknesses of a bunch of autismals, is what. Start with damaged units that want to believe in dragons and shiat, get a enough of them together to create critical mass, and watch as the most charasmatic damaged unit floats to the top. These social networks are FULL of people that are looking for ways to justify how badly the behave or how sick and untreated their desires are, and when someone comes along who's functional enough to appear to self-actualize, he gets a lot of people backing him up just because, and similar sick assholes that floated to the top of the turd bowl double down, that's why legendary asshole Harlan Ellison has supported this pedo for so long. they're a bunch of sociopaths and sexual monsters that can't hack the real world, so they become petty kings of their own little tribes.

it's why I stepped out of the culture and am no longer a geek/nerd/fan. You need some perspective to see exactly how sick and troubled this culture is and stepping back in, even for a second, makes me want to have a long hot bath. WITHOUT any little boys.

Seriously, when a man or woman is older than their early twenties and emotionally still resonant with 13-15 year olds, THEY ARE ILL. They are not hip, quirky, nerdy, passionate, involved, artistic, whatever- THEY ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. older people go to older-persons events. they're out there. but if you're trawling cons for boy pussy and you're older than about 19, you are a sick fark. And that's what this guy is, no matter what else he "accomplished".


Did you feel the same way about football and charity organizations after the Penn State case?
 
2013-01-22 05:39:39 PM  
How appropriate that threads are filled with the examples of how cons inevitably turn to shiat as they grow in age and popularity.
It's my favorite character, but female and with sexy clothing! Wow!
 
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