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2013-01-21 06:58:34 PM  
Apparently, if the slideshow is to believed, The Norbit Effect only hurts you if you're Eddie Murphy.

What was the point of that slideshow again? Besides generating clicks?
 
2013-01-21 07:03:02 PM  
My first thought. It seems the only person to be "Norbit'd" was Norbit himself, Murphy.

If that slideshow was person I'd slap them for lying to my face.
 
2013-01-21 07:46:23 PM  
Blame the studio, not the actor. A lot of times bad films are held up if the lead has a bigger one coming out that year in hopes of mooching off it.
 
2013-01-21 07:47:16 PM  
Given that 9 out of 10 said "no" I guess, um, "NO"
 
2013-01-21 08:03:33 PM  
With all due respect to Meryl Streep, The Bridges of Madison County was a steaming pile of shiat. Big was not, but it wasn't the sort of film that wins Oscars either. Actually these are all pretty stupid.
 
2013-01-21 08:13:35 PM  
That may have been a blight on Murphy, but it's a bigger blight on the Academy itself.

I mean, think about it. ACADEMY AWARD-NOMINATED MOTION PICTURE NORBIT. I don't think they're ever going to live that nomination down.
 
2013-01-21 08:17:55 PM  
Well, that may have been one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Even by the standards of Oscar season celebrity fluffing vacuous click-generating filler, it was stupid. I hate myself for clicking all the way through in the forlorn hope it might rise above the abysmal. It never did.

In case anybody is still wondering, the answer to the question raised in the headline is "no".
 
2013-01-21 08:38:24 PM  
Follow-up question - why does every TV show need to have a token "epic" oscar-begging story? American dad at least tacitly admits it in jest..
 
2013-01-21 08:41:54 PM  
Sandra Bullock showing up to get her Razzie is one of the best things to ever happen in Hollywood.

Here's the video. Link
 
2013-01-21 08:43:07 PM  
Upon reading that, I'm more surprised that he won anything for that role. It was an unremarkable and forgettable performance.
 
2013-01-21 08:47:56 PM  
I cant remember if Stealth was released before or after Jamie Foxx won his oscar
 
2013-01-21 08:59:26 PM  
Bigger question: does the presence of Tom Wopat and Don Johnson hurt a film's Oscar chances?
 
2013-01-21 09:06:30 PM  
I stil can't believe that Sandra Bullock stole Tilda Swinton's Oscar for 2009.
 
2013-01-21 09:12:19 PM  
Years ago my ISP sent me a sternly worded letter on behalf of Paramount Pictures about my p2p sharing of Norbit...

I sent both a sternly worded letter in reply that if i were illegally sharing movies, it wouldnt be shiat like Norbit, and if theyre going to falsely accuse me of something, dont also insult me.

/download like a mofo
//but not norbit
///only takedown notice ive ever recieved
 
2013-01-21 09:14:52 PM  

czetie: Well, that may have been one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Even by the standards of Oscar season celebrity fluffing vacuous click-generating filler, it was stupid. I hate myself for clicking all the way through in the forlorn hope it might rise above the abysmal. It never did.

In case anybody is still wondering, the answer to the question raised in the headline is "no".


Correct. That was a weak excuse for an article. One instance--Murphy and Norbit--is not a trend. If they wanted to set up a better argument, they could've used some better examples. For instance, Jack Nicholson was nominated as Best Supporting Actor for his performance in 1992's A Few Good Men but lost to Gene Hackman for Unforgiven. One of the reasons cited for why he lost was supposedly the hostilgeneratedated by his starring role in the flop biopic Hoffa. which was released shortly after A Few Good Men. Of course, Nicholson won an Oscar for Best Actor five years later so, even if it was true, it had no impact on his career.
 
2013-01-21 09:39:18 PM  
Well, considering Sandra Bullock won an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year...probably not.
 
2013-01-21 09:40:51 PM  

Somaticasual: Follow-up question - why does every TV show need to have a token "epic" oscar-begging story? American dad at least tacitly admits it in jest..


Er, um, sorta hard for a TV show to have an "Oscar-begging moment", since Teevee shows don't get Oscars.

They may have Emmy-begging moments, but that's different.
 
2013-01-21 09:49:04 PM  
Baldwin was stellar in The Cooler. Macy deserved a nod as well, not that anyone would ever give Macy a leading actor nod, but goddamn he deserved it.
 
2013-01-21 10:38:30 PM  

malaktaus: With all due respect to Meryl Streep, The Bridges of Madison County was a steaming pile of shiat. Big was not, but it wasn't the sort of film that wins Oscars either. Actually these are all pretty stupid.


Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.
 
2013-01-21 10:40:37 PM  
Here's why this theory doesn't hold water:

Academy voters are not just industry people, but actors represent the largest voting bloc. Actor's don't criticize each other for taking roles in turkeys, especially when they're just doing it for the money, because every actors has been there and done that.

Theories like this are all based on the wrongful assumption that critics make up the majority of Academy voters -- the only people who would care about these things.
 
2013-01-21 10:45:23 PM  
I thought Norbit was okay
 
2013-01-21 11:02:59 PM  
As repellent as Norbit was, it was a veritable masterpiece compared to what he's done since(A Thousand Words, I'm looking at you. And retching.)
 
2013-01-21 11:07:14 PM  

NDP2: czetie: Well, that may have been one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Even by the standards of Oscar season celebrity fluffing vacuous click-generating filler, it was stupid. I hate myself for clicking all the way through in the forlorn hope it might rise above the abysmal. It never did.

In case anybody is still wondering, the answer to the question raised in the headline is "no".

Correct. That was a weak excuse for an article. One instance--Murphy and Norbit--is not a trend. If they wanted to set up a better argument, they could've used some better examples. For instance, Jack Nicholson was nominated as Best Supporting Actor for his performance in 1992's A Few Good Men but lost to Gene Hackman for Unforgiven. One of the reasons cited for why he lost was supposedly the hostilgeneratedated by his starring role in the flop biopic Hoffa. which was released shortly after A Few Good Men. Of course, Nicholson won an Oscar for Best Actor five years later so, even if it was true, it had no impact on his career.


Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
 
2013-01-21 11:15:20 PM  
Am I the only person who actually liked All About Steve? And I though Bullock was very good in the part.
 
2013-01-21 11:25:10 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I thought Norbit was okay


Now we know Armond White's handle.
 
2013-01-21 11:52:59 PM  
Colin Firth could make a full feature Teletubbies movie and it wouldn't hurt his career.
 
2013-01-22 12:04:35 AM  
Eddie's repeatedly punched himself in the balls with movie choices.

Norbit, Pluto Nash, Shrek, The Haunted Mansion, Daddy Day Care, Dr. Doolittle (1 and 2) THE @*)#(@ PJs, the list goes on.
 
2013-01-22 12:40:18 AM  
I love The Bridges of Madison County
 
2013-01-22 12:42:40 AM  

Znuh: Eddie's repeatedly punched himself in the balls with movie choices.

Norbit, Pluto Nash, Shrek, The Haunted Mansion, Daddy Day Care, Dr. Doolittle (1 and 2) THE @*)#(@ PJs, the list goes on.


Pluto Nash wasn't that bad. It's totally watchable and entertaining, if a bit weird. Shrek was the most successful movie of his career.
 
2013-01-22 12:55:39 AM  

stoli n coke: malaktaus: With all due respect to Meryl Streep, The Bridges of Madison County was a steaming pile of shiat. Big was not, but it wasn't the sort of film that wins Oscars either. Actually these are all pretty stupid.

Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.


Which is a damn shame, since Gene Hackman should have won, Charles Chricton should have won for Fish Called Wanda and Dangerous Liasons for Best Picture. (And really, Rain Man beats Fish Called Wanda & Bull Durham for screenplay? Bull.)
 
2013-01-22 01:17:32 AM  

JosephFinn: stoli n coke: malaktaus: With all due respect to Meryl Streep, The Bridges of Madison County was a steaming pile of shiat. Big was not, but it wasn't the sort of film that wins Oscars either. Actually these are all pretty stupid.

Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.

Which is a damn shame, since Gene Hackman should have won, Charles Chricton should have won for Fish Called Wanda and Dangerous Liasons for Best Picture. (And really, Rain Man beats Fish Called Wanda & Bull Durham for screenplay? Bull.)


Best screenplay should have gone to Eric Bogosian for Talk Radio. That was Oliver Stone's best movie, but had the bad luck of opening the same weekend as Rain Man.

As for director, I would have liked Scorsese to win for Last Temptation of Christ. Making that movie might have been the ballsiest decision of his career.
Damn, '88 was a good year for movies.
 
2013-01-22 01:25:28 AM  

Znuh: Eddie's repeatedly punched himself in the balls with movie choices.

Norbit, Pluto Nash, Shrek, The Haunted Mansion, Daddy Day Care, Dr. Doolittle (1 and 2) THE @*)#(@ PJs, the list goes on.


Doolittle and Shrek resurrected his career.
 
2013-01-22 01:51:22 AM  

Neeek: Znuh: Eddie's repeatedly punched himself in the balls with movie choices.

Norbit, Pluto Nash, Shrek, The Haunted Mansion, Daddy Day Care, Dr. Doolittle (1 and 2) THE @*)#(@ PJs, the list goes on.

Pluto Nash wasn't that bad. It's totally watchable and entertaining, if a bit weird. Shrek was the most successful movie of his career.


Agreed, i enjoyed it, but i can definitely see why it bombed.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:48 AM  
Ah the Oscars. My annual guide to which films are likely to be pretentious piles of shiat that I really needn't bother watching.
 
2013-01-22 04:32:26 AM  
This isn't an "effect." Even in TFA itself, the people who lost awards after having a bad movie put out lost them to people who were largely favorited to win anyway. Nobody thought Tom Hanks was going to beat Dustin Hoffman in 1988. Back then, people were still not sure whether to take Hanks seriously as a dramatic actor. You have to remember, that was pre-Philadelphia/Forrest Gump Tom Hanks. The Tom Hanks, who up until Big, was known for "Splash," "Bachelor Party," and playing a cross-dresser on a sitcom. At that point, he had Ashton Kutcher's resume, plus more talent and minus the geriatric banging.


Even the namesake of this article, Eddie Murphy, didn't lost because Norbit came out (that movie came out after the voting deadline anyway.) He lost because that was the year the Academy decided to reward Alan Arkin for all the times he got passed over. Same thing with Colin Firth losing to Jeff Bridges. To the Academy, it was Jeff's turn, and nothing was going to change that.
 
2013-01-22 05:05:38 AM  

stoli n coke: Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.


The Academy loves movies about mental disability (which is so much more photogenic than physical disability), degenerative diseases (much easier to build a plot around than sudden, unexpected death), and of course the Holocaust.

If Christopher Nolan ever makes a movie starring Tom Hanks as a mentally disabled man and Meryl Streep as his Yiddisher mother dying slowly but beautifully from Lou Gehrig's disease while sustaining hope in their fellow concentration camp inmates through their simple and defiant optimism, it will sweep the board. (Working title: Oscar Bait.)
 
2013-01-22 05:18:53 AM  

czetie: stoli n coke: Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.

The Academy loves movies about mental disability (which is so much more photogenic than physical disability), degenerative diseases (much easier to build a plot around than sudden, unexpected death), and of course the Holocaust.

If Christopher Nolan ever makes a movie starring Tom Hanks as a mentally disabled man and Meryl Streep as his Yiddisher mother dying slowly but beautifully from Lou Gehrig's disease while sustaining hope in their fellow concentration camp inmates through their simple and defiant optimism, it will sweep the board. (Working title: Oscar Bait.)


Fark Nolan. That flick is mine, and I have the script notes to prove it.

Artie Grape, Karl Childers, and Simple Jack turn to organized crime to pay for the cancer treatments of their mother, who is taking on unfair labor practices in the mining industry in World War II era Germany while teaching the sadistic commandant how to read.

One of the cast will also be a heroin addict, and Christopher Plummer shows up for one scene that may or may not be relavent to the plot. (The Academy loves Christopher Plummer.)  Oh, and at least 45 minutes will be in French, for that artistic feel.
 
2013-01-22 05:20:36 AM  
Oh, and half the cast turns out to be gay.
 
2013-01-22 05:39:33 AM  

IlGreven: Well, considering Sandra Bullock won an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year...probably not.


I like that she attended both ceremonies.
 
2013-01-22 06:08:29 AM  

stoli n coke: Oh, and half the cast turns out to be gay.


And we will know this because it says so in the press release.

DiCAPRIO AND STILLER SEEN TOPLESS TOGETHER ON MONACO BEACH!
Claim Relationship is not a Shameless Publicity Stunt!
"We Can't Deny It Any More!"
 
2013-01-22 07:25:35 AM  

stoli n coke: One of the cast will also be a heroin addict


Two of the cast. One will break the bonds of his addiction, but his childhood friend won't make it. The surviving friend will have a moving speech about not being able to save his friend. The Academy will love it.

stoli n coke: Oh, and at least 45 minutes will be in French, for that artistic feel.


The pre-war flashback segment, which will also be in black and white.

I want an Executive Producer credit.
 
2013-01-22 07:40:38 AM  
Punchline was a very underrated film. 1
 
2013-01-22 07:51:07 AM  

xria: IlGreven: Well, considering Sandra Bullock won an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year...probably not.

I like that she attended both ceremonies.


As I recall she attended the Razzies with a wagon full of DVDs of her "winning" movie to hand out to the audience.
 
2013-01-22 07:59:12 AM  
What do you mean? Jennifer Hudson got the Oscar after "Norbit" came out.
 
2013-01-22 08:35:56 AM  

LonMead: stoli n coke: Oh, and half the cast turns out to be gay.

And we will know this because it says so in the press release.

DiCAPRIO AND STILLER SEEN TOPLESS TOGETHER ON MONACO BEACH!
Claim Relationship is not a Shameless Publicity Stunt!
"We Can't Deny It Any More!"


Men topless on a beach? Well, clearly there is hanky-panky going on. Idiots.
 
2013-01-22 08:47:39 AM  

Flappyhead: Blame the studio, not the actor. A lot of times bad films are held up if the lead has a bigger one coming out that year in hopes of mooching off it.


IIRC, Dreamworks asked Eddie Murphy if he wanted to delay the release of Norbit until after the Oscars. He declined thinking that Norbit would show off his range.
 
2013-01-22 08:48:31 AM  

stoli n coke: JosephFinn: stoli n coke: malaktaus: With all due respect to Meryl Streep, The Bridges of Madison County was a steaming pile of shiat. Big was not, but it wasn't the sort of film that wins Oscars either. Actually these are all pretty stupid.

Big got Hanks a nomination, if I'm not mistaken, but that was the year Rain Man came out, so no other movies had a shot.

Which is a damn shame, since Gene Hackman should have won, Charles Chricton should have won for Fish Called Wanda and Dangerous Liasons for Best Picture. (And really, Rain Man beats Fish Called Wanda & Bull Durham for screenplay? Bull.)

Best screenplay should have gone to Eric Bogosian for Talk Radio. That was Oliver Stone's best movie, but had the bad luck of opening the same weekend as Rain Man.

As for director, I would have liked Scorsese to win for Last Temptation of Christ. Making that movie might have been the ballsiest decision of his career.
Damn, '88 was a good year for movies.


It really was. I'm not a huge fan of Rain Man, but when that's the least of your options I think you've had a damn good year (hell, I think we're going to look back on 2012 the same way). Hell, remember 1993? That year is insane, another year where Scorcese should have had a win for Age of Innocence, which I think is one of his best, but ran into Schindler's List.
 
2013-01-22 09:06:53 AM  

xria: IlGreven: Well, considering Sandra Bullock won an Oscar and a Razzie in the same year...probably not.

I like that she attended both ceremonies.


She copied off of Halle Berry

/Would watch either of them read the phone book.
 
2013-01-22 09:18:58 AM  
Didn't Norbit get an Oscar for makeup or one of those technical fields? Maybe it was just a nom.
 
2013-01-22 10:18:54 AM  
This is the most infuriating thing for Murphy. He was great in Dreamgirls and should have won. But the Academy didn't let him win because they didn't think he was a serious actor or even trying at times...mostly due to Norbit.

However, Sandra Bullock won for The Blind Side despite all the fluff crap she has done. Murphy was robbed on a B.S. excuse.
 
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