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2013-01-22 03:40:34 AM
There's getting revenge on your ex, and then there's getting revenge on your ex.

Nice job, "Lewis Page" of the Register.
 
2013-01-22 05:47:58 AM

SultanofSchwing: I know I shiat on old people before, but one of the most upsetting things for me at present is fresh graduates having next to no computer related skills save for how to use Facebook. They can't setup documents properly or even use excel or outlook...then look to me to fix their problems for them because I'm the "computer guy." Which is fun because while I may be the Admin, I have a degree (and a 2 year diploma) as well as the typical certs, none of that ever included a class on Office, or how to make a goddamn pivot table...I don't even know what a pivot table is, leave me alone. You can't figure out how to justify a page? Google it. Call me when it won't connect to the domain.

Excel and the accounting department is my answer to these inquiries.
This is also why I avoid telling people what I do, I don't like it when the neighbors ask if I can help them out with a little problem on their pc.
 
2013-01-22 06:43:57 AM

two towns over: My job is a gaffer. A lighting guy, designer yes. The word is old english, anyway: some of my collegues say they are the "Chief Lighting Engineer" in their credits instead of gaffer. My question: are they right to claim engineer status?


Maybe. Technical Design points to engineer.
 
2013-01-22 08:13:43 AM
I blame the end users, management, sales (internal and external), inept co-workers (the good ones I love to death), and logistics too (always farking up my equipment orders.) In fact, if it wasn't for other people, my job would be perfect.
 
2013-01-22 08:31:54 AM
Medical people are caring? Nurses, maybe, but doctor is a perfect profession to go into if you never want to deal with other people as actual human beings again. Surgeons are especially bad at relating to other people.
 
2013-01-22 08:32:06 AM

FloydA: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Finance major - Braindead inside

Advanced Degrees - what they really mean
MA: Malicious Asshole
Ph.D: Piled High and Deep
MD: Mentally Defective
MBA: Minimal Brain Activity.


BS: Bull Shiat
MS: More Shiat

Smeggy Smurf: As an architect I'd like to say engineers are always farking up our designs. Oh sure, NOW you want to put a column there.


crossfitlisbeth.com

allow me to retort

Shouting into the wind: Optimist = The glass is half full
Pessimist = The glass is half empty
Engineer = The glass is too big was obviously designed by an Architect


/and the project was managed by a landscape architect

but of course when the poop hits the fan guess who gets the blame?

go do something useful like play in traffic or drive on a bridge designed by an architect... :3

*harumph*
 
2013-01-22 08:57:21 AM

Satan's Dumptruck Driver: Let me give you an cold, empty engineering response-- possibly with poor spelling and grammar:

In the US when you graduate with an engineering degree from an accredited program, a potential employer or other interested party knows that you have been exposed to the engineering fundamentals associated with your specific degree. Those fundamentals are set by ABET and include topics like thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, material science, heat transfer, dynamics, mechanical design, mechanics of materials, etc. (For mechanical engineering.) This is in addition to core classes common to most engineering degrees: mathematics, physics, chemistry, various social sciences and humanities.


not cold and empty enough:

1. if you can take this:

chrisgammell.com

you get to call yourself an "engineer" (mostly around laymen), and your opinion at least matters among real engineers

if you pass it, then you get to be called an "assistant" engineer

if you pass the appropriate PE exam for your discipline and have one of these:

theprofessionalengineer.com

then you are an Engineer. also known as the HNIC.
 
2013-01-22 09:05:03 AM

I drunk what: 1. if you can take this:

http://chrisgammell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/FE_EIT.jpg

you get to call yourself an "engineer" (mostly around laymen), and your opinion at least matters among real engineers


Ugh. I had nearly forgotten about that. Thanks for bringing it back to the forefront of my memory, jackass.
 
2013-01-22 09:18:46 AM

SultanofSchwing: Besides, I think the real definition of an engineer is someone who is excited to get a screwdriver set for Christmas.


Bullshiat.

I'm an instrumentation technician and jack of all many trades. I'm excited to get tools for christmas. I've worked with many engineers in different places. None of them are any good with their hands. I've seen things like trying to fit the threads of a compression fitting into a NPT coupling and wondering why it wasn't sealing to having one argue with me about the direction that [directional teeth] [channel lock type pliers] are supposed to turn. Where I work now, watching an engineer try to use hand tools is a joke.

But everyone has to start somewhere, right? Sure. But the problem is that they also don't like to listen to anyone. They get laser like, tunnel vision, forest for the trees, focus and no one can tell them that they're on the wrong track or just plain wrong. I do instrument, maintenance, and installation work for the research side of a chemical plant. They comes to us, give us a new piece of equipment and want use to make it work with X existing equipment. But they wont take our advice when things start to go wrong. It seems like arrogance, but it's hard to tell. They get goofy ideas about how to fix something and wont take the advice from seasoned tradesmen. They also don't consult us before getting most of their new things to try out so making everything place nice together can be a real headache. Oh, and they need this headache solved asap because they're on a schedule.

Working with them gets frustrating. They're all nice people in general, but they have awful interpersonal skills at times and really don't seem to like to take outside advice.

/My ex's father was an electrician. He used to give me tools every christmas.
//Including a screwdriver set one year.
///It was awesome.
 
2013-01-22 09:30:12 AM

sxacho: Thanks for bringing it back to the forefront of my memory, jackass.


there's an engineer^

quit crying you didn't need that much hair on your head anyway

now you can save money on shampoo :D
 
2013-01-22 10:11:32 AM
That is what made working in the oilfield as an engineer great.

/Chemical Engineer
 
2013-01-22 10:44:58 AM
So THATS why the Soviets periodically sent all their engineers to the gulag.
 
2013-01-22 11:41:44 AM

catusr: mechanical engineer - 63.2% dead inside


Where can I buy this on a Tshirt?
 
2013-01-22 12:07:26 PM

BGates: That is what made working in the oilfield as an engineer great.

/Chemical Engineer


Damn skippy! High five!
 
2013-01-22 12:47:05 PM

MonoChango: catusr: mechanical engineer - 63.2% dead inside

Where can I buy this on a Tshirt?


A better question is why can't you just make one yourself with things you have lying around in your work area.
 
2013-01-22 01:11:46 PM

ProfessorOhki: MonoChango: catusr: mechanical engineer - 63.2% dead inside

Where can I buy this on a Tshirt?

A better question is why can't you just make one yourself with things you have lying around in your work area.


users.content.ytmnd.com
 
2013-01-22 01:38:04 PM

I drunk what: 1. if you can take this:

chrisgammell.com

you get to call yourself an "engineer" (mostly around laymen), and your opinion at least matters among real engineers

if you pass it, then you get to be called an "assistant" engineer



Hooray!
 
2013-01-22 03:25:06 PM

BigNumber12: Architectural Engineer, and I only love my wife and daughter. Everyone else will make nice lubricant for the gears of my machines of war someday.


computer architecture or like building or whatever?
 
2013-01-22 03:32:15 PM
Yay, an engineer thread... Dammit, I am late again...

EE/CpE moonlighting (again) as a SWE... Hey, it pays more.
 
2013-01-22 04:51:29 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: BigNumber12: Architectural Engineer, and I only love my wife and daughter. Everyone else will make nice lubricant for the gears of my machines of war someday.

computer architecture or like building or whatever?


Similar to Civil Engineering, but focusing on occupiable structures. Skyscrapers, offices, labs, light and mid-range industry and manufacturing, tech, school / university, corporate campus, performing arts, retail (subset), high-density residential, that sort of thing.

Similar focus in structural issues, significantly increased focus on enclosure, interior finishes, and building systems (mechanical, electrical, plumbing). Increased focus on budget / payback period of design features, and building aesthetics.
 
2013-01-22 05:16:01 PM

BigNumber12: Uchiha_Cycliste: BigNumber12: Architectural Engineer, and I only love my wife and daughter. Everyone else will make nice lubricant for the gears of my machines of war someday.

computer architecture or like building or whatever?

Similar to Civil Engineering, but focusing on occupiable structures. Skyscrapers, offices, labs, light and mid-range industry and manufacturing, tech, school / university, corporate campus, performing arts, retail (subset), high-density residential, that sort of thing.

Similar focus in structural issues, significantly increased focus on enclosure, interior finishes, and building systems (mechanical, electrical, plumbing). Increased focus on budget / payback period of design features, and building aesthetics.


I did not know there was an architectural engineering. I just knew of architecture, and computer architecture (much more intimately)
 
2013-01-22 05:17:38 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: computer architecture or like building or whatever?


see what happens when people play humpty dumpty?

poatemisepare.ro

BigNumber12: Similar to Civil Engineering


in this country Structural Engineering is a branch of Civil it's not a similarity it IS civil

architects are not engineers, they are not structural engineers they are not sanitation engineers they are not locomotive engineers they are non-engineering staff that convinces the owner that they are making the building look pretty

Civil (Structural) Engineers are the people responsible for making sure that the building does not kill you. Regardless of how pretty it looks.
 
2013-01-22 05:24:58 PM
Now I understand my confusion. I reckon he would say he needs a PE for architectural engineering?
 
2013-01-22 05:27:56 PM

I drunk what: see what happens when people play humpty dumpty?


I have this vague feeling you and I have met before here. Yup, yup I do.
 
2013-01-22 05:37:26 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I did not know there was an architectural engineering. I just knew of architecture, and computer architecture (much more intimately)


It's less popular than Civil, and there are far fewer accredited programs.


I drunk what: in this country Structural Engineering is a branch of Civil it's not a similarity it IS civil

architects are not engineers, they are not structural engineers they are not sanitation engineers they are not locomotive engineers they are non-engineering staff that convinces the owner that they are making the building look pretty

Civil (Structural) Engineers are the people responsible for making sure that the building does not kill you. Regardless of how pretty it looks.


You should do more research before you post, or stick to subjects that you understand. I'll give you a pass this time because you love Idiocracy so much.

Architectural Engineering is similar to Civil Engineering, but focuses on different types of structures. Both require knowledge of (and specialists in) structural engineering (note lower case) so that said structures don't fall down.

Nobody's talking about architects.
 
2013-01-22 05:41:35 PM
www.quotesworthrepeating.com
sigh =( ok.
 
2013-01-22 05:42:15 PM
on a more serious note, do you guys need a PE to practice too?
 
2013-01-22 05:53:25 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if this explains why all of my fellow engineers seem to disproportionately marry teachers and nurses. Opposites attract.... though this may be a selection bias because all of the local engineering schools seem to also contain good medical or teaching schools... or my area only has two main industries manufacturing and medicine.

/mechanical engineer married to a chef
 
2013-01-22 06:03:41 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: on a more serious note, do you guys need a PE to practice too?


I'll confess, I didn't even know about it until this thread, but I am curious now. Guess it'd be the FE I'd have to research first. Still be interested in 'em though; specifically CompE and SWE.

Saiga410: Hmmm, I wonder if this explains why all of my fellow engineers seem to disproportionately marry teachers and nurses. Opposites attract.... though this may be a selection bias because all of the local engineering schools seem to also contain good medical or teaching schools... or my area only has two main industries manufacturing and medicine.


My school was engineering/agriculture. That made for some hilarious couples:
"What'd you do today?"
"Oh, just more circuits labs, you?"
"Well, first they gave us these gloves that go up the shoulder..."
 
2013-01-22 06:09:31 PM

ProfessorOhki: I'll confess, I didn't even know about it until this thread, but I am curious now. Guess it'd be the FE I'd have to research first. Still be interested in 'em though; specifically CompE and SWE.


There is an EE FE but no SWe or CS AFAIK.

\god that's an ugly sentence.
 
2013-01-22 06:11:29 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: ProfessorOhki: I'll confess, I didn't even know about it until this thread, but I am curious now. Guess it'd be the FE I'd have to research first. Still be interested in 'em though; specifically CompE and SWE.

There is an EE FE but no SWe or CS AFAIK.

\god that's an ugly sentence.


Yeah, I'm used to all my acronyms being three letters long ;)
I meant the CompE and SWE PEs. Just because I couldn't outright take 'em immediately doesn't mean I wouldn't learn something from practice.
 
2013-01-22 06:14:51 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: on a more serious note, do you guys need a PE to practice too?


If you're going to work in a design capacity, then yes. I'm in CM, in which case, having your PE is something of a liability.
 
2013-01-22 06:17:34 PM

ProfessorOhki: Uchiha_Cycliste: ProfessorOhki: I'll confess, I didn't even know about it until this thread, but I am curious now. Guess it'd be the FE I'd have to research first. Still be interested in 'em though; specifically CompE and SWE.

There is an EE FE but no SWe or CS AFAIK.

\god that's an ugly sentence.

Yeah, I'm used to all my acronyms being three letters long ;)
I meant the CompE and SWE PEs. Just because I couldn't outright take 'em immediately doesn't mean I wouldn't learn something from practice.


Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were literally looking for people to practice for a PE with, rather than asking them BigNumber if AE/CE needed one to practice their work. My bad.
 
2013-01-22 06:26:22 PM

ProfessorOhki: Uchiha_Cycliste: I think I misunderstood you. I thought you were literally looking for people to practice for a PE with, rather than asking them BigNumber if AE/CE needed one to practice their work. My bad.


aye. It's all good.
 
2013-01-22 06:27:13 PM

BigNumber12: Uchiha_Cycliste: on a more serious note, do you guys need a PE to practice too?

If you're going to work in a design capacity, then yes. I'm in CM, in which case, having your PE is something of a liability.


I've always understood it to be further and sometimes requisite accrediting, how could it be a liability?
 
2013-01-22 06:37:22 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: BigNumber12: Uchiha_Cycliste: on a more serious note, do you guys need a PE to practice too?

If you're going to work in a design capacity, then yes. I'm in CM, in which case, having your PE is something of a liability.

I've always understood it to be further and sometimes requisite accrediting, how could it be a liability?


It depends on who you ask, and I don't know of any court cases that back up the fears, but some believe that a construction Project Engineer (different than a "Professional Engineer") stamping shop drawings as "Reviewed by So-and-So, P.E." would shift some of the design liability onto the General Contractor.
 
2013-01-22 07:21:00 PM

BigNumber12: You should do more research before you post, or stick to subjects that you understand. I'll give you a pass this time because you love Idiocracy so much.


i was afraid to look, but yep:

Agricultural
Architectural
Chemical
Civil: Construction (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Geotechnical
Civil: Structural (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Transportation (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Water Resources and Environmental
Control Systems
Electrical and Computer: Computer Engineering
Electrical and Computer: Electrical and Electronics
Electrical and Computer: Power
Environmental
Fire Protection
Industrial (specifications for April 2013 exam) Beginning in 2013, the PE Industrial exam will be given in the spring. October 2012 was the last fall administration for the exam. See the news release for more information.
Mechanical: HVAC and Refrigeration
Mechanical: Mechanical Systems and Materials
Mechanical: Thermal and Fluids Systems
Metallurgical and Materials
Mining and Mineral Processing
Naval Architecture and Marine
Nuclear
Petroleum
Software (specifications for April 2013 exam) Administration of this new exam will begin in April 2013. See the news release for more information.
Structural

you are correct, and look here kids Software made the list :D, wrong again IDW code monkies ARE engineers LULZ

next on the docket:

Sanitation
Locomotive
Landscape
Brawndo
OwMyBalls

LOLZ lulz lulz lulz

i like money
 
2013-01-22 07:27:01 PM

I drunk what: Agricultural
Architectural
Chemical
Civil: Construction (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Geotechnical
Civil: Structural (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Transportation (with design standards for 2013)
Civil: Water Resources and Environmental
Control Systems
Electrical and Computer: Computer Engineering
Electrical and Computer: Electrical and Electronics
Electrical and Computer: Power
Environmental
Fire Protection
Industrial (specifications for April 2013 exam) Beginning in 2013, the PE Industrial exam will be given in the spring. October 2012 was the last fall administration for the exam. See the news release for more information.
Mechanical: HVAC and Refrigeration
Mechanical: Mechanical Systems and Materials
Mechanical: Thermal and Fluids Systems
Metallurgical and Materials
Mining and Mineral Processing
Naval Architecture and Marine
Nuclear
Petroleum
Software (specifications for April 2013 exam) Administration of this new exam will begin in April 2013. See the news release for more information.
Structural


they even have structural on there twice! :D rofl rofl rofl

three times if you count architectural :o

i'm bored with this, lets talk about nature instead, is it natural?
 
2013-01-22 07:33:37 PM

I drunk what: they even have structural on there twice! :D rofl rofl rofl

three times if you count architectural :o

i'm bored with this, lets talk about nature instead, is it natural?


The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam. Are you really trying to say that they're essentially the same?
 
2013-01-22 07:36:31 PM
Pop Quiz:

Which one of these is a Sanitation Engineer?

A
ktothec.files.wordpress.com

B
static.guim.co.uk

C
farm5.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-22 07:44:14 PM

sxacho: The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam. Are you really trying to say that they're essentially the same?


does the piece of paper getting stamped know the difference? or care?

if you can't decide which one you like better, let the architectural stamp it

or if he's not around maybe a software can stamp it for ya?

maybe soon the art history major's can get a engineer's stamp too

i'm gunna start studying for the Philosophy Engineering PE exam, those stamps are going to be priceless
 
2013-01-22 07:47:11 PM

I drunk what: sxacho: The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam. Are you really trying to say that they're essentially the same?

does the piece of paper getting stamped know the difference? or care?

if you can't decide which one you like better, let the architectural stamp it

or if he's not around maybe a software can stamp it for ya?

maybe soon the art history major's can get a engineer's stamp too

i'm gunna start studying for the Philosophy Engineering PE exam, those stamps are going to be priceless



Go home I drunk what, you are drunk.
 
2013-01-22 07:53:58 PM

I drunk what: sxacho: The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam. Are you really trying to say that they're essentially the same?

does the piece of paper getting stamped know the difference? or care?

if you can't decide which one you like better, let the architectural stamp it

or if he's not around maybe a software can stamp it for ya?

maybe soon the art history major's can get a engineer's stamp too

i'm gunna start studying for the Philosophy Engineering PE exam, those stamps are going to be priceless


I graduated from an architectural engineering program. It was part of the civil engineering department. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but if you are arguing that civil engineering is a blanket term which can include seemingly different areas of study (not all of which you seem to be familiar), then I'd agree with you.
 
2013-01-22 08:03:52 PM

sxacho: The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam.


actually Civil = 65%, and i couldn't find any data on structural for 2011-12, but it was 46% in 2010, but hey looks like architectural = 71% so i guess Big12 picked the right one after all :3

//unfortunately that wasn't a choice when i was in school :(

so i feel much better now, i guess those structural I's aren't as smart as they think they are :D

good jorb lad
 
2013-01-22 08:05:51 PM

sxacho: I graduated from an architectural engineering program.


you chose wisely
 
2013-01-22 08:28:48 PM

BigNumber12: I drunk what: sxacho: The civil PE exam has about an 89% pass rate vs about 23% for the Structural I exam. Are you really trying to say that they're essentially the same?

does the piece of paper getting stamped know the difference? or care?

if you can't decide which one you like better, let the architectural stamp it

or if he's not around maybe a software can stamp it for ya?

maybe soon the art history major's can get a engineer's stamp too

i'm gunna start studying for the Philosophy Engineering PE exam, those stamps are going to be priceless


Go home I drunk what, you are drunk.


lulz
 
2013-01-22 08:31:37 PM

I drunk what: unfortunately that wasn't a choice when i was in school :(


Funny, you don't strike me as being very old. Rather, I think what you're saying is that the discipline wasn't offered at your school.

I drunk what: sxacho: I graduated from an architectural engineering program.

you chose wisely


I did. Knowing I want to do structural designs of buildings, it was a natural choice and I'm glad I made it.
 
2013-01-22 09:27:52 PM

sxacho: Knowing I want to do structural designs of buildings


There is something wrong with you.

\basically failed my Steel Design final exam
 
2013-01-22 09:48:27 PM

BigNumber12: sxacho: Knowing I want to do structural designs of buildings

There is something wrong with you.

\basically failed my Steel Design final exam


My prof for Steel I & II knew his shiat & helped write significant portions of the AISC design manual. He was good and that helped a lot. My geotech prof, on the other hand, not very cool. I aced most exams, the labs, and the final, but I didn't do enough bullshiat homework and I failed the class. So I had to take the same class again, with the same professor being my only available choice. Luckily I didn't have to re-do all the lab work.
 
2013-01-22 11:21:48 PM

I drunk what: Pop Quiz:

Which one of these is a Sanitation Engineer?

A
[ktothec.files.wordpress.com image 400x533]

B
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

C
[farm5.staticflickr.com image 159x240]


I don't know, but it's not B. He's standing in a giant tube, so I assume he's an Internet Engineer.
 
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