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(National Review)   MSNBC's Chris Matthews slipping, talked almost five minutes today before comparing Obama to Lincoln   (nationalreview.com) divider line 80
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2013-01-21 03:33:57 PM
Well, they were both born poor, black children.
 
2013-01-21 03:40:25 PM
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I don't see the resemblance...
 
2013-01-21 04:01:39 PM
In other news, Pfizer became the world's most valuable company today, as their stock prices soared past Apple's on word of staggering Preparation H sales.
 
2013-01-21 04:12:07 PM
Obama is more like Lincoln than Reagan. So there's that.
 
2013-01-21 04:19:45 PM
matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.
 
2013-01-21 04:21:59 PM
What would be more impressive if the NRO could get more than 30 seconds without describing Obama to Hitler and Stalin nowadays..
 
2013-01-21 04:23:01 PM

FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.


This. It was embarrassing. I'm pretty sure that picture GWB wearing the cod-piece is in his spank bank.
 
2013-01-21 04:23:14 PM
Anyone worth their shiat in political science can easily draw a connection from Obama to Lincoln. The parallels are numerous.
 
2013-01-21 04:23:21 PM
So I have to assume that Eliana Johnson was sitting in front of the TV, eyeballs inches from the screen, sound turned up to levels normally associated with above-ground nuclear tests, with pen and paper in hand just waiting for Matthews to say something hyperbolically complimentary so she could bash this out and have it up on NRO to satisfy the lurid desires of her fellow far-rightists.

And then, when the orgasm subsided, she took a long, slow drag on a cigarette, went to her laptop and began to type the blog post in earnest.
 
2013-01-21 04:23:38 PM
Republicans seem to care alot about what Chris Matthews has to say.
 
2013-01-21 04:24:30 PM
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like Jesus.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like a ham sandwich.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like Gugliermo Marconi.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like Sasquatch.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like an assault weapon with a fully-loaded 100-round clip full of cop-killer ammo.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like a cool breeze on a summer morning.
Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like Chris Matthews' spittle-cup.

// *paperthrow*
// who farking cares?
 
2013-01-21 04:26:04 PM
FTFA: "Barack Obama is perhaps the only modern president who has had the burden of swatting away comparisons between his own soaring rhetoric and that of our 16th president."

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Except by the National Review and Rich Lowry of course. That is when he's not busy with a hard-on for Sarah Palin.

Seriously you could almost make an entire career out of refuting the very first sentence of any NR article.
 
2013-01-21 04:28:24 PM

Dr Dreidel: Obama is more like Lincoln than he is like a cool breeze on a summer morning.


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2013-01-21 04:31:04 PM
well, Lincoln did suspend habeus corpus.
 
2013-01-21 04:34:20 PM

FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.


No he isn't.
 
2013-01-21 04:37:08 PM
 
2013-01-21 04:38:05 PM
Yeah, you'd think the guy was a lanky, moderate former-Senator from Illinois who concerned himself with matters of equal rights and social justice, or something.
 
2013-01-21 04:40:18 PM

dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.


George W really was dreamy. wasn't he?
 
2013-01-21 04:41:03 PM
I feel your pain. If the last president from your party was polling at 33rd best president of all time by historians and the current guy not from your party was polling at 14th, I would need industrial strength Preparation H too.
 
2013-01-21 04:42:37 PM
A few months ago I heard an interview with Matthews on NPR in which he talked about how Obama lacked the passion and the empathy for the common man necessary to be a great, or even good, president. He compared Obama to Kennedy, and the comparison was unfavorable to Obama in every way. Matthews is no Obama fan.
 
2013-01-21 04:45:14 PM

BMulligan: A few months ago I heard an interview with Matthews on NPR in which he talked about how Obama lacked the passion and the empathy for the common man necessary to be a great, or even good, president. He compared Obama to Kennedy, and the comparison was unfavorable to Obama in every way. Matthews is no Obama fan.


He may not be a huge fan, but if the GOP reaches deep for some weapons-grade derp to use against Obama, Matthews gets really REALLY defensive of Obama. During the election cycle of course, Matthews could have been topping off Obama's rig every night. Now, yeah, he's going to be a little bit harder on Obama.
 
2013-01-21 04:46:52 PM
so conservatives are upset that a news host on a cable news network is fawning all over a president?

Nothing ironic about that.

/yeah I know its probably not living up to the definition of ironic, but I'm an america, gimme a break
 
2013-01-21 04:48:04 PM

coeyagi: BMulligan: A few months ago I heard an interview with Matthews on NPR in which he talked about how Obama lacked the passion and the empathy for the common man necessary to be a great, or even good, president. He compared Obama to Kennedy, and the comparison was unfavorable to Obama in every way. Matthews is no Obama fan.

He may not be a huge fan, but if the GOP reaches deep for some weapons-grade derp to use against Obama, Matthews gets really REALLY defensive of Obama. During the election cycle of course, Matthews could have been topping off Obama's rig every night. Now, yeah, he's going to be a little bit harder on Obama.


Is it that he gets defensive of Obama or is he just calling them out on their weapons-grade derp? That's what the media is supposed to do, isn't it?
 
2013-01-21 04:48:06 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.

George W really was dreamy. wasn't he?


If you're into drunken chimpanzees, I guess.
 
2013-01-21 04:48:26 PM
The most Lincoln-like president we've had in the last century or so was actually W, in all honesty.

Arbitrarily contentious election including accusations of malfeasance by highly-placed political actors - Check
Responds to a small-scale military crisis with sweeping, large-scale military action - Check
Said large-scale military action marked by incompetent bumbling more than anything else, takes tend times as long as it should have - Check
Attempts to silence critics using force of office, pass limits on the first amendment - Check
Frequent politically questionable actions justified by claiming moral authority - Check
Solves conflicts with legislature by attempting to completely ignore them, do what he wants instead - Check
Astonishingly unpopular with both his own country and the one he'd 'liberated' by the end of his tenure - Check
Left a huge mess with no plans for fixing it for his successors to clean up - Check

Obama's more like Roosevelt. Either Roosevelt, take your pick, they both spent a lot of time thanklessly cleaning up other people's messes and trying to hedge against future disaster while being lionized by their compatriots for the wrong things and villified for their genuine willingness to work across the aisle alternately.
 
2013-01-21 04:52:18 PM

Jim_Callahan: Astonishingly unpopular with both his own country and the one he'd 'liberated' by the end of his tenure - Check


Yeah, the liberated slaves really hated Lincoln with a passion.
 
2013-01-21 04:55:17 PM

Pincy: coeyagi: BMulligan: A few months ago I heard an interview with Matthews on NPR in which he talked about how Obama lacked the passion and the empathy for the common man necessary to be a great, or even good, president. He compared Obama to Kennedy, and the comparison was unfavorable to Obama in every way. Matthews is no Obama fan.

He may not be a huge fan, but if the GOP reaches deep for some weapons-grade derp to use against Obama, Matthews gets really REALLY defensive of Obama. During the election cycle of course, Matthews could have been topping off Obama's rig every night. Now, yeah, he's going to be a little bit harder on Obama.

Is it that he gets defensive of Obama or is he just calling them out on their weapons-grade derp? That's what the media is supposed to do, isn't it?


Both. He uses facts about Obama and his service thus far to debunk the nonsense. He waxes poetic about Obama's background in comparison to Romney during the election. Matthews knows his audience too- NPR listeners want critical views, MSNBC wants left cheer leading.
 
2013-01-21 04:56:38 PM

dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.


O RLY:

MATTHEWS: What's the importance of the president's amazing display of leadership tonight?
[...]
MATTHEWS: What do you make of the actual visual that people will see on TV and probably, as you know, as well as I, will remember a lot longer than words spoken tonight? And that's the president looking very much like a jet, you know, a high-flying jet star. A guy who is a jet pilot. Has been in the past when he was younger, obviously. What does that image mean to the American people, a guy who can actually get into a supersonic plane and actually fly in an unpressurized cabin like an actual jet pilot?
[...]
MATTHEWS: Do you think this role, and I want to talk politically [...], the president deserves everything he's doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That [...] if you're going to run against him, you'd better be ready to take [that] away from him.
[...]
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Bob Dornan, you were a congressman all those years. Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?
[...]
MATTHEWS: Ann Coulter, you're the first to speak tonight on the buzz. The president's performance tonight, redolent of the best of Reagan -- what do you think?
COULTER: It's stunning. It's amazing. I think it's huge. I mean, he's landing on a boat at 150 miles per hour. It's tremendous. It's hard to imagine any Democrat being able to do that. And it doesn't matter if Democrats try to ridicule it. It's stunning, and it speaks for itself.
MATTHEWS: Pat Caddell, the president's performance tonight on television, his arrival on ship?
CADDELL: Well, first of all, Chris, the -- I think that -- you know, I was -- when I first heard about it, I was kind of annoyed. It sounded like the kind of PR stunt that Bill Clinton would pull. But and then I saw it. And you know, there's a real -- there's a real affection between him and the troops.
[...]
MATTHEWS: The president there -- look at this guy! We're watching him. He looks like he flew the plane. He only flew it as a passenger, but he's flown --
CADDELL: He looks like a fighter pilot.
MATTHEWS: He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him -- I mean, he seems like -- he didn't fight in a war, but he looks like he does.
CADDELL: Yes. It's a -- I don't know. You know, it's an internal thing. I don't know if you can put it into words. [...] You can see it with him and the troops, the ease with which he talks to them. I was amazed by that, frankly, because as I said, I was originally appalled, particularly when I heard he was going in an F-18. But -- on there -- but the -- but you know, that was --
MATTHEWS: Look at this guy!
CADDELL: -- was hard not to be moved by their reaction to him and his reaction to them and --
MATTHEWS: You know, Ann --
CADDELL: -- you know, they -- it's a quality. It's an innate quality. It's a real quality.
MATTHEWS: I know. I think you're right.
 
2013-01-21 04:58:04 PM
With a Nobel Prize and Osama's head in his trophy case, he's really more like TR than Lincoln.
 
2013-01-21 05:01:45 PM

TheOther: With a Nobel Prize and Osama's head in his trophy case, he's really more like TR than Lincoln.


Trent Reznor?
 
2013-01-21 05:13:40 PM

Altair: Anyone worth their shiat in political science can easily draw a connection from Obama to Lincoln. The parallels are numerous.


Same held true for The Shrub and the shifting reasons for war.

No thread on our little God Warrior in New Mexico?
 
2013-01-21 05:14:48 PM
I've always liked Chris Matthews. A lot. And when I say that, Chris Matthews came into my life some late night evening in the mid 1980s being interviewed on the radio by Radio Larry King. Talking about his new book "Hardball". Chris was passionate about how politics worked then, and he hasn't slowed down one bit. Keep up the good work, Chris!
 
2013-01-21 05:14:54 PM
NRO pays staff by the derp
 
2013-01-21 05:16:19 PM

zerkalo: NRO pays staff by the derp


They must all be fantastically wealthy.
 
2013-01-21 05:22:16 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Astonishingly unpopular with both his own country and the one he'd 'liberated' by the end of his tenure - Check

Yeah, the liberated slaves really hated Lincoln with a passion.


So, I point out that a president was enormously unpopular by the end of his term, and your response is "nuh-uh, a demographic minority of 10% or the population, (or at least the ones that prioritized theoretical freedom over being homeless) probably liked him maybe".

Also somewhat incorrect, by many accounts Lincoln wasn't particularly well-liked by the majority of freed slaves either. Again, pretty similar to how the Iraquis appreciate not having Saddam around anymore, but aren't terribly sanguine about various US wartime activities... and drone strikes here and there don't have much on Sherman's march to the sea.

//He did get out of some of it by dying in a timely fashion before it was clear just how thoroughly he'd dropped the ball on preparing for the newly-freed population. Johnson caught a lot of the blame instead.
 
2013-01-21 05:24:27 PM

Jim_Callahan: Also somewhat incorrect, by many accounts Lincoln wasn't particularly well-liked by the majority of freed slaves either. Again, pretty similar to how the Iraquis appreciate not having Saddam around anymore, but aren't terribly sanguine about various US wartime activities... and drone strikes here and there don't have much on Sherman's march to the sea.


Oh do share some of these accounts. I'd love to see them.
 
2013-01-21 05:26:37 PM
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2013-01-21 05:29:51 PM
Obama is a great president. Get over it.
 
2013-01-21 05:30:28 PM

FlashHarry: dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.

O RLY:


OK, so Matthews is impressed by the Chimp-in-Chief riding in a jet (he certainly didn't land it, he wasn't a Navy pilot, he was Air National Guard).

But let's look at Matthews as a whole. The guy was a staff member for 4 congressmen, all of whom belonged to the Democratic party. He ran for Congress himself (unsuccessfully) as a Democrat. He was a speech-writer for Jimmy Carter. He was a top aide to Tip O'Neil. Barack Obama makes his leg get all tingly. He considered running (again as a Democrat) for Arlen Spector's seat.

His two claims to being "middle of the road" are the commentary you quoted, and that (according to him) he voted for Dumbya in 2000.

He may be the "most conservative voice in MSNBC", but that's kind of like being the most liberal voice on FoxNews. Doesn't really mean all that much.
 
2013-01-21 05:32:27 PM
Deal with it.

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2013-01-21 05:32:28 PM
Did he claim that Obama had a "sunny nobility" to him? Because that would be totally over the messiah line, right guys?
 
2013-01-21 05:32:41 PM

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That's beautiful.
 
2013-01-21 05:33:47 PM

dittybopper: FlashHarry: dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.

O RLY:

OK, so Matthews is impressed by the Chimp-in-Chief riding in a jet (he certainly didn't land it, he wasn't a Navy pilot, he was Air National Guard).

But let's look at Matthews as a whole. The guy was a staff member for 4 congressmen, all of whom belonged to the Democratic party. He ran for Congress himself (unsuccessfully) as a Democrat. He was a speech-writer for Jimmy Carter. He was a top aide to Tip O'Neil. Barack Obama makes his leg get all tingly. He considered running (again as a Democrat) for Arlen Spector's seat.

His two claims to being "middle of the road" are the commentary you quoted, and that (according to him) he voted for Dumbya in 2000.

He may be the "most conservative voice in MSNBC", but that's kind of like being the most liberal voice on FoxNews. Doesn't really mean all that much.


Wouldn't Joe Scarborough be the most conservative voice on that network, with Mika (shiatty last name) as the voice of authoritarian Democrats?
 
2013-01-21 05:33:47 PM

dittybopper: He may be the "most conservative voice in MSNBC", but that's kind of like being the most liberal voice on FoxNews.


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2013-01-21 05:34:31 PM

TheOther: With a Nobel Prize and Osama's head in his trophy case, he's really more like TR than Lincoln.


The first one ticks me off, and he deserves the laurels for the second.

Why does the first one tick me off? He hadn't done a farkin' thing yet when they voted to give it to him. That's like being giving the CMH before you rush the machine gun nest.
 
2013-01-21 05:35:22 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Also somewhat incorrect, by many accounts Lincoln wasn't particularly well-liked by the majority of freed slaves either. Again, pretty similar to how the Iraquis appreciate not having Saddam around anymore, but aren't terribly sanguine about various US wartime activities... and drone strikes here and there don't have much on Sherman's march to the sea.

Oh do share some of these accounts. I'd love to see them.


Uncle Tom's brother (Uncle Ruckus) was one...
 
2013-01-21 05:36:28 PM
There was an article here recently that said Lincoln's opponents in the media hated him so much, they insisted that his unpopularity meant there would be assassination attempts at his inauguration. Then, when he took these allegations seriously and rode a secret train to his inauguration in order to avoid said assassination attempts, the media called him a coward for hiding when there were clearly no assassins.

I could see this being a Fox News thing with Obama.
 
2013-01-21 05:40:57 PM

dittybopper: FlashHarry: dittybopper: FlashHarry: matthews gushed over bush when he landed on the aircraft carrier. he's an equal-opportunity offender.

No he isn't.

O RLY:

OK, so Matthews is impressed by the Chimp-in-Chief riding in a jet (he certainly didn't land it, he wasn't a Navy pilot, he was Air National Guard).

But let's look at Matthews as a whole. The guy was a staff member for 4 congressmen, all of whom belonged to the Democratic party. He ran for Congress himself (unsuccessfully) as a Democrat. He was a speech-writer for Jimmy Carter. He was a top aide to Tip O'Neil. Barack Obama makes his leg get all tingly. He considered running (again as a Democrat) for Arlen Spector's seat.

His two claims to being "middle of the road" are the commentary you quoted, and that (according to him) he voted for Dumbya in 2000.

He may be the "most conservative voice in MSNBC", but that's kind of like being the most liberal voice on FoxNews. Doesn't really mean all that much.


You forgot Joe Scarborough, a genuine 1990s Republican as the most conservative voice at MSNBC. Let me add that Chris started his political life as an Eisenhower Republican and in his own words was heartbroken when Nixon lost in 1960.
 
2013-01-21 05:46:13 PM

beta_plus: colon_pow: well, Lincoln did suspend habeus corpus.

And Lincoln also threw people in jail for exercising freedom of speech.

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But Obama has not has any draft riots

The New York City Draft Riots of 1863

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2013-01-21 05:48:52 PM

limeyfellow: What would be more impressive if the NRO could get more than 30 seconds without describing Obama to Hitler and Stalin nowadays..


Hehe, I generally don't indulge in kicking someone when they're down, but the tears and teeth-gnashing of the anti-Obama white trash give me much joy and there is so much more to come, hahahaa.
 
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