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(LA Times)   What happens when the International Space Station erupts in flames? We may soon find out courtesy of the 787 Dreamliner investigation   (latimes.com) divider line 51
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2013-01-21 03:20:08 PM
As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.
 
2013-01-21 04:00:06 PM

bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.


He said, as his motorcycle burst into flames...
 
2013-01-21 04:05:20 PM
YU-AS-A! YU-AS-A! YU-AS-A! YU-AS-A! YU-AS-A!

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-21 04:07:26 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

/DOH!
 
2013-01-21 04:08:25 PM
After reading that headline I immediately wanted a picture representation of investigators actually descending on that plant. Preferably by jetpack.
 
2013-01-21 04:11:24 PM
Thank Gawd Howard Wolowitz is back on earth.
 
2013-01-21 04:15:21 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-21 04:16:04 PM

bob_ross: Yuasa


I've had Yuasa's on my Vstrom and 2 previous RoadStars. Never had a problem with them, over 5 years old, starting in biatching cold weather.

Dont blame your shiatty Harley on the battery dude.
 
2013-01-21 04:21:13 PM
Shocking.
 
2013-01-21 04:22:38 PM

Lemmy Kilmister: bob_ross: Yuasa

I've had Yuasa's on my Vstrom and 2 previous RoadStars. Never had a problem with them, over 5 years old, starting in biatching cold weather.

Dont blame your shiatty Harley on the battery dude.


Yeah, I have no experience with them myself but another commenter on another website mentioned a specific bike he had (I don't recall what) and said he ended up rebuilding/replacing a lot of shiat on that bike but the batteries ever gave him any issues.
 
2013-01-21 04:23:25 PM
How soon until we read about questionable QC, manager coverups and cutting corners to make a bigger profit?
Why were there problems at that reactor meltdown again? oh right, they paid off the investigators.

LOL
 
zez
2013-01-21 04:24:26 PM
I blame the unions
 
2013-01-21 04:32:03 PM
thumbs2.modthesims.info

Has no comment and requests all inquires be routed through their solictors, the lawfirm of Dewey,
Cheatham & Howe, Cambridge MA.
 
2013-01-21 04:33:36 PM
Your pathetic human minds wouldn't understand why that was necessary

thechristiannerd.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-21 04:38:11 PM
Things can't burn in space since there's no oxygen
 
2013-01-21 04:50:23 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Things can't burn in space since there's no oxygen


There's a small amount of oxygen in the vicinity of the ISS which would happily aid in combustion, and which the astronauts onboard the ISS would sorely miss.
 
2013-01-21 04:51:52 PM
I guess it's easy to poke fun but can you imagine rolling out something with that many parts that absolutely HAVE to work perfectly or hundreds of people will DIE?
 
2013-01-21 05:00:56 PM

WordsnCollision: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 728x409]

/DOH!


!I tell you "Touch Nothing", but no, you have to be cowboys!

is disaster for russian space station
 
2013-01-21 05:04:24 PM
Investigators descend on Dreamliner battery maker in Japan
Hope they're not descending in a Boeing 787.
 
2013-01-21 05:05:34 PM

gravy chugging cretin.: WordsnCollision: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 728x409]

/DOH!

!I tell you "Touch Nothing", but no, you have to be cowboys!

is disaster for russian space station


American technology, Russian technology, is all same Japanese parts!
 
2013-01-21 05:06:27 PM

namatad: How soon until we read about questionable QC, manager coverups and cutting corners to make a bigger profit?
Why were there problems at that reactor meltdown again? oh right, they paid off the investigators.


My bet is the manufacturer is losing money on the contract and thus cutting corners to prevent losses. That's probably come around to bite them very hard on the keister.
 
2013-01-21 05:07:49 PM

bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.


Funny, how is it then when just yesterday I charged my Yuasa battery from 1998 after sitting all winter?
Methinks your ideas of maintenance are a bit . . . askew-

Yuasa, based in Japan, made the lithium ion batteries used in the troubled Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets. A fire and overheating of those batteries were among the chief recent problems with the jets, leading to them being grounded around the world.

Are they really going to go with that? Really? I was unaware that the batteries are connected to the CRACKED WINDSHIELD from last week.
 
2013-01-21 05:14:15 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Things can't burn in space since there's no oxygen


I dont think you understand anything about space, nor burning.
But go ahead and continue pretending.
 
2013-01-21 05:15:21 PM

bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.


As opposed to Lucas, Prince of darkness.
 
2013-01-21 05:19:15 PM
Oooo, scaremongering headline and a stealth motorcycle thread!

/How can you tell if your [brand of motorcycle you like] is out of oil?
//It stops leaking!
 
2013-01-21 05:24:24 PM

namatad: HaywoodJablonski: Things can't burn in space since there's no oxygen

I dont think you understand anything about space, nor burning.
But go ahead and continue pretending.


I believe the lad's trying to say that in the vacuum of space the only thing that will ignite is something supplying its own oxegen.

/not pretending, learnt everything I know about fire and space from television.
 
2013-01-21 05:26:04 PM

fat boy: bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries. They suck.

As opposed to Lucas, Prince of darkness.



Once you've gone dancing with the Prince of Darkness, you will never be the same.

/Can't call myself a Motorcycle rider, I have a 68 Triumph Bonneville
//I sold my TR6 last year one can only endure so much
 
2013-01-21 05:27:23 PM

EvilVanMan: gravy chugging cretin.: WordsnCollision: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 728x409]

/DOH!

!I tell you "Touch Nothing", but no, you have to be cowboys!

is disaster for russian space station

American technology, Russian technology, is all same Japanese parts and French quality!


FTFY
 
2013-01-21 05:28:12 PM
In space no one can hear you steam.
 
2013-01-21 05:29:54 PM
It does explain why Japanese planes were involved...the batteries are afraid of water.

/Umm...they were celebrating Pearl Harbor Day?
//how do they 'exceed their intended voltage'?
//are these investigators operating engineers, or electrical engineers?
 
2013-01-21 05:52:52 PM

Happy Hours: Lemmy Kilmister: bob_ross: Yuasa

I've had Yuasa's on my Vstrom and 2 previous RoadStars. Never had a problem with them, over 5 years old, starting in biatching cold weather.

Dont blame your shiatty Harley on the battery dude.

Yeah, I have no experience with them myself but another commenter on another website mentioned a specific bike he had (I don't recall what) and said he ended up rebuilding/replacing a lot of shiat on that bike but the batteries ever gave him any issues.


I used to be in battery sales and their stuff is good. However, they do make stuff in Japan, Taiwan, and China. There are some cheap/garbage manufacturers out there. Your typical auto parts store uses probably 5+ manufacturers to fulfill there product line.

There's a saying in the industry that "batteries don't die, they're murdered." Much of the life of your battery is how to take care of it. Proper application, proper storage, etc etc etc.

I never dealt directly with GS Yuasa's lithium ion cells, but never had any issues with their NiCd and NiMH cells. I was kind of shocked to learn of the critical usage of the large cells in an airplane. With the volatile nature that can become of this type of battery if mistreated (or poorly manufactuered), I thought the risks may be a concern.
 
2013-01-21 05:58:59 PM

zez: I blame the unions


Until you discover that the defect was a result of Boeing's work in a Right To Work (for less freedom) state.
 
2013-01-21 06:01:27 PM

Marcintosh: bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.

Funny, how is it then when just yesterday I charged my Yuasa battery from 1998 after sitting all winter?
Methinks your ideas of maintenance are a bit . . . askew-

Yuasa, based in Japan, made the lithium ion batteries used in the troubled Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets. A fire and overheating of those batteries were among the chief recent problems with the jets, leading to them being grounded around the world.

Are they really going to go with that? Really? I was unaware that the batteries are connected to the CRACKED WINDSHIELD from last week.


The batteries catch on fire. Even if there were other problems, surely you don't think that was helping.
 
2013-01-21 06:12:44 PM

gibbon1: namatad: How soon until we read about questionable QC, manager coverups and cutting corners to make a bigger profit?
Why were there problems at that reactor meltdown again? oh right, they paid off the investigators.

My bet is the manufacturer is losing money on the contract and thus cutting corners to prevent losses. That's probably come around to bite them very hard on the keister.



Latest info does seem to point to a problem with the manufacturing of the battery, as the FDR recorded that voltage supplied to the battery was normal.

Lithium batteries have safety mechanisms built in that physically cut out if a short circuit occurs and they begin delivering too much power in too little time. But a manufacturing defect could occur that circumvents these devices, such as an internal short circuit that leads to a fire. This is what happened to Sony laptop batteries a few years ago - microscopic contamination led to internal shorts, which led to runaway thermal excursions.

It's probably a coincidence, but I wonder if the 787 battery design was frozen around the same time as the sony battery fires? If so, they likely use a similar design and manufacturing practice from that era.
 
2013-01-21 06:37:40 PM
Lemmy Kilmister

Vstrom and RoadStars


What are those, bikes for children with training wheels?
 
2013-01-21 06:55:29 PM
It's no big deal. The ISS simply has to eject the warp core and run on impulse power until repaired.
 
2013-01-21 07:05:25 PM
Ohh fark it, I might as well.

<img src="http://i.imgur.com/1VisC.jpg">

<b>Subby</b> is being unkind to my toys.
 
2013-01-21 07:06:59 PM
The previous space station Mir has already given us plenty of space disaster porn, fortunately not snuff films since the crews managed to not die.

YouTube
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSqOqRACxUM">Fire on Mir space station</a>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM7fTLLmgbk">Collision with other ship and depressurization/a>
/really want to see the rest of that documentary
 
2013-01-21 07:07:06 PM
ಠ_ಠ

Fuh?

FarkHTML is broke?
 
2013-01-21 07:40:28 PM

Lemmy Kilmister: bob_ross: Yuasa

I've had Yuasa's on my Vstrom and 2 previous RoadStars. Never had a problem with them, over 5 years old, starting in biatching cold weather.

Dont blame your shiatty Harley on the battery dude.


I only ride Ducati and Honda son
 
2013-01-21 07:55:16 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Things can't burn in space since there's no oxygen


Just open the windows.
 
2013-01-21 09:01:57 PM
sullydog.com
 
2013-01-21 09:34:14 PM

Marcintosh: bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.

Funny, how is it then when just yesterday I charged my Yuasa battery from 1998 after sitting all winter?
Methinks your ideas of maintenance are a bit . . . askew-

Yuasa, based in Japan, made the lithium ion batteries used in the troubled Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets. A fire and overheating of those batteries were among the chief recent problems with the jets, leading to them being grounded around the world.

Are they really going to go with that? Really? I was unaware that the batteries are connected to the CRACKED WINDSHIELD from last week.


Cracked windshields are something that happens in planes. Battery fires should never be routine.
 
2013-01-21 09:49:06 PM

TheDirtyNacho: gibbon1: namatad: How soon until we read about questionable QC, manager coverups and cutting corners to make a bigger profit?
Why were there problems at that reactor meltdown again? oh right, they paid off the investigators.

My bet is the manufacturer is losing money on the contract and thus cutting corners to prevent losses. That's probably come around to bite them very hard on the keister.


Latest info does seem to point to a problem with the manufacturing of the battery, as the FDR recorded that voltage supplied to the battery was normal.

Lithium batteries have safety mechanisms built in that physically cut out if a short circuit occurs and they begin delivering too much power in too little time. But a manufacturing defect could occur that circumvents these devices, such as an internal short circuit that leads to a fire. This is what happened to Sony laptop batteries a few years ago - microscopic contamination led to internal shorts, which led to runaway thermal excursions.

It's probably a coincidence, but I wonder if the 787 battery design was frozen around the same time as the sony battery fires? If so, they likely use a similar design and manufacturing practice from that era.


The batteries on the 787 use the high energy density Cobalt formula as opposed to the more common Manganese chemistry found in electric cars. Cobalt formula is more prone to overheating in normal operation but it is also a lot lighter for the same energy level. Engineering tradeoff that didn't pan out and will probably be changed. Sony batteries were also Cobalt type.
 
2013-01-21 09:51:47 PM

Kittypie070: http://i.imgur.com/1VisC.jpg


I think that cat could use some Lithium.....
 
2013-01-21 10:25:07 PM

rhinoguy: TheDirtyNacho: gibbon1: namatad: How soon until we read about questionable QC, manager coverups and cutting corners to make a bigger profit?
Why were there problems at that reactor meltdown again? oh right, they paid off the investigators.

My bet is the manufacturer is losing money on the contract and thus cutting corners to prevent losses. That's probably come around to bite them very hard on the keister.


Latest info does seem to point to a problem with the manufacturing of the battery, as the FDR recorded that voltage supplied to the battery was normal.

Lithium batteries have safety mechanisms built in that physically cut out if a short circuit occurs and they begin delivering too much power in too little time. But a manufacturing defect could occur that circumvents these devices, such as an internal short circuit that leads to a fire. This is what happened to Sony laptop batteries a few years ago - microscopic contamination led to internal shorts, which led to runaway thermal excursions.

It's probably a coincidence, but I wonder if the 787 battery design was frozen around the same time as the sony battery fires? If so, they likely use a similar design and manufacturing practice from that era.

The batteries on the 787 use the high energy density Cobalt formula as opposed to the more common Manganese chemistry found in electric cars. Cobalt formula is more prone to overheating in normal operation but it is also a lot lighter for the same energy level. Engineering tradeoff that didn't pan out and will probably be changed. Sony batteries were also Cobalt type.



Most consumer electronics use cobalt for the energy density and generally have good track records - aside from the 2006-era sony batteries and the counterfeit chinese corner cutters.

It is surprising to see this kind of failure in small quantities like those for the 787 - I bet no more than a few hundred of these batteries exist. There's only 50 planes delivered. One would think the QC and validation for these would be easier than say, producing millions of problem free cell phone batteries.

Perhaps because of the small quantities they don't produce them year round and so have to occasionally retool the production line to do a batch. Could be some batch had mistakes made during set up that led to internal defects. I doubt they'll swap formulas, but rather make changes to the manufacturing process, if that's what it is.

I love a good engineering mystery
 
2013-01-21 10:45:53 PM

Dokushin: Marcintosh: bob_ross: As a motorcycle rider I am familiar with Yuasa brand batteries.  They suck.

Funny, how is it then when just yesterday I charged my Yuasa battery from 1998 after sitting all winter?
Methinks your ideas of maintenance are a bit . . . askew-

Yuasa, based in Japan, made the lithium ion batteries used in the troubled Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets. A fire and overheating of those batteries were among the chief recent problems with the jets, leading to them being grounded around the world.

Are they really going to go with that? Really? I was unaware that the batteries are connected to the CRACKED WINDSHIELD from last week.

The batteries catch on fire. Even if there were other problems, surely you don't think that was helping.


Well, truthfully, no but they did make it seem like the batteries were the only issue.

And DON'T call me Shirley anymore!

and thanks for the setup - how much I owe you? Aircraft and "Airplane" Doesn't get better - you take debit cards?
 
2013-01-21 10:54:31 PM

fat boy: As opposed to Lucas, Prince of darkness.


I used to drive an English Ford with Lucas electrics, never gave me a bit of trouble. The engine also never gave me any problems. Everything else though.
 
2013-01-21 11:08:20 PM

Mikeyworld: //how do they 'exceed their intended voltage'?


some knucklehead thinks he can charge the battery a bit faster with an improved cooling system and a higher charging voltage, or even forget the cooling and just crank up the charger
 
2013-01-22 01:43:03 AM

fat boy: As opposed to Lucas, Prince of darkness.


I once wondered out loud to a Mini owner why the shields in Star Trek always fail and he replied "Lucas wiring".
 
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