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(Daily Mail)   'I have no use for money': Bill Gates plans to use his billions to eradicate polio   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 69
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2013-01-21 03:16:27 PM

unlikely: Isn't polio all but gone already? I mean besides a few anti-vax holdouts like ultra-religio-pakistan, isn't it completely gone?


Polio is still hanging on in a Africa and Asia but cases are under 1 per 100,000 in most of the rest of the world. It is still more widely spread than I thought it was, with occasional cases in the developed world (mostly in immigrants, I imagine). You're unlikely to contract it unless you go to Africa or maybe the low-rent bits of Asia. All it needs is a little more push world-wide to finish the job.

I remember a fairly young guy with polio when I was a kid, probably the last case in the village or the county even. If it didn't kill or cripple you for life, it caused deformation or atrophy of the legs. This guy had really short bandy legs and walked with a chimp-like waddle--and he was one of the lucky ones--many polio victims could not walk at all without crutches or died of the disease.

It will take some effort to eliminate it. In Afghanistan, the country with the most polio cases, it exceeds 10 per 100,000. Most polio infections don't do serious harm, but when it gets into your blood it can be nasty.

According to Wikipedia ("Poliomyelitis eradication") there were 716 cases in 16 countries in 2011.
 
2013-01-21 03:16:42 PM
Good, he's done a lot of good stuff with all that cash. But the cynic in me wonders if a sudden and significant drop in child mortality would lead to food availability problems. Still beats living with a paralyzing nerve disease though.

orbister: Anyone know what Steve Jobs did with his money?


Artisanal turtlenecks.
 
2013-01-21 03:16:44 PM

Lumpmoose: BillCo: Damnit Bill, people with money are supposed to be evil.  You're ruining it for all of the other billionaires.

Thankfully he and Buffett might be making some a bit uncomfortable.


People who make billions tend to be incredibly competitive. The type of people who don't sit back and do nothing when someone else is outdoing them.

Case in point: this one philanthropist who had signed the pledge was going to donate a huge sum to her alma mater. As they were finalizing it all, someone happened to mention that it would be the second biggest donation ever to such a school. So at the press conference she makes the surprise announcement that she's doubling the donation so as not to be second best.
 
2013-01-21 03:17:00 PM

SultanofSchwing: What about Water Polio? That actually looked like a lot of fun.


Plus you get to wear those skimpy speedos and show off your package.
 
2013-01-21 03:17:58 PM

dionysusaur: even with 100% vax rates, the virus is still out there, waiting. no pity, no remorse, it won't stop. ever.


The polio virus cannot survive more than a few weeks at room temperature outside of a human body. It will not be waiting if there is no one it can transmit itself to.

In a few decades we may be able to stop polio vaccinations.
 
2013-01-21 03:18:02 PM

DubtodaIll: BronyMedic: unlikely: Isn't polio all but gone already? I mean besides a few anti-vax holdouts like ultra-religio-pakistan, isn't it completely gone?

It's making a huge comeback in India and Nigeria, in particular, because of religious anti-vax nonsense and anti-west fear mongerig.

Clerics and community leaders are ACTUALLY telling these people that vaccines are a western plot to sterilize them and give them AIDS.

I've always wondering why any cultish leader makes statements like these and how they actually go about justifying such statements? Is it simply to justify/cement their own power of the individuals who take them seriously? Are the clerics themselves really that ignorant? Seems to me that anyone who reads one book will read another and another and really not be all that foolish of a person. Do they not see the evidence of the positive effects vaccines have had on human civilization since their inception? Mostly I'm just curious how ignorance is able to flourish on any level.


I could fill your eyes with details of the social and psychological elements that contribute to such occurrences, but I'll simply it and just state that stupid is easy to accomplish, intelligence is not. Primates naturally seek easy things.
 
2013-01-21 03:18:23 PM

dionysusaur: even with 100% vax rates, the virus is still out there, waiting. no pity, no remorse, it won't stop. ever.


Like smallpox?
 
2013-01-21 03:19:58 PM

DubtodaIll: BronyMedic: unlikely: Isn't polio all but gone already? I mean besides a few anti-vax holdouts like ultra-religio-pakistan, isn't it completely gone?

It's making a huge comeback in India and Nigeria, in particular, because of religious anti-vax nonsense and anti-west fear mongerig.

Clerics and community leaders are ACTUALLY telling these people that vaccines are a western plot to sterilize them and give them AIDS.

I've always wondering why any cultish leader makes statements like these and how they actually go about justifying such statements? Is it simply to justify/cement their own power of the individuals who take them seriously? Are the clerics themselves really that ignorant? Seems to me that anyone who reads one book will read another and another and really not be all that foolish of a person. Do they not see the evidence of the positive effects vaccines have had on human civilization since their inception? Mostly I'm just curious how ignorance is able to flourish on any level.


Really? We have literate, seemingly intelligent people right here in the states that let a bimbo convince them not to vaccinate their children and you can't imagine how frightened, powerless and uneducated people in developing nations would fall for this claptrap?

Among the general populace, there are natural leaders who think, make decisions, and lead. Most people are followers, though, and will take whatever their chosen leader says as gospel. I think it's instinctive and probably some ancient survival adaptation.
 
2013-01-21 03:20:35 PM

mayIFark: Well, polio is bad, but I read somewhere that it would be actually possible to get rid of mosquito completely and forever, if enough money is spent. Why not do that, it will kill several birds with one stone including several fatal diseases.


Funny you mention that: The foundation is also supporting several methods of eradicating malaria, including eliminating the particular mosquito that carries it.
 
2013-01-21 03:20:50 PM

hobberwickey: unlikely: Isn't polio all but gone already? I mean besides a few anti-vax holdouts like ultra-religio-pakistan, isn't it completely gone?

Go to India.


India isn't the example you're looking for. No cases at all in 2012.
 
2013-01-21 03:22:28 PM

Mr_Fabulous: I don't like Microsoft. I doubt very much if I would like Mr. Gates if I were to meet him.

But credit where it's due. Eradicating polio is a worthy cause, so kudos to him (and, presumably, Melinda).


As a developer I love Microsoft. One central source of widely accepted tools that work as advertised. They'll probably even take over the smart phone market just because they are the only software manufacturer that pays attention to what the people that actually develop software need.
 
2013-01-21 03:22:33 PM
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Countries with polio. Red: present, green: carried from outside, gray: absent.
 
2013-01-21 03:28:22 PM

DubtodaIll: BronyMedic: unlikely: Isn't polio all but gone already? I mean besides a few anti-vax holdouts like ultra-religio-pakistan, isn't it completely gone?

It's making a huge comeback in India and Nigeria, in particular, because of religious anti-vax nonsense and anti-west fear mongerig.

Clerics and community leaders are ACTUALLY telling these people that vaccines are a western plot to sterilize them and give them AIDS.

I've always wondering why any cultish leader makes statements like these and how they actually go about justifying such statements? Is it simply to justify/cement their own power of the individuals who take them seriously? Are the clerics themselves really that ignorant? Seems to me that anyone who reads one book will read another and another and really not be all that foolish of a person. Do they not see the evidence of the positive effects vaccines have had on human civilization since their inception? Mostly I'm just curious how ignorance is able to flourish on any level.


This book The Righteous Mind Link, suggests answers to those Q's
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-21 03:29:07 PM

Mr_Fabulous: I don't like Microsoft. I doubt very much if I would like Mr. Gates if I were to meet him.

But credit where it's due. Eradicating polio is a worthy cause, so kudos to him (and, presumably, Melinda).


You might, if you ever had the chance, be very surprised.
I was when I met him. I will confess that it was many years back when they were just starting up the Windows Advanced Server NT roadshows and he still tagged along to some of the larger metro shows. Stood and chatted with him about some of the engineering precepts that help form some of the core APIs. He is very smart, and very personable when he is in his 'comfort zone' as he was among all of us geeks present at the event.

I cannot think of a better legacy than to be remembered as someone who helped rid the world of a disease.
 
2013-01-21 03:42:57 PM
Polio isn't like smallpox; many animals can carry it, so it's much harder to eradicate. The Gates Foundation works on a lot of other great projects too. Interestingly, his motivation was Andrew Carnegie. Like Gates, many people disliked Carnegie in business, but the guy was an awesome philanthropist. Gates has also inspired many of his peers (like Buffett) to donate heavily.
 
2013-01-21 03:57:58 PM

edmo: Only rich people say things like "money isn't important to me."


I'm not rich and money isn't very important to me. There's more to life than things.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-21 04:10:52 PM

Honest Bender: edmo: Only rich people say things like "money isn't important to me."

I'm not rich and money isn't very important to me. There's more to life than things.


"The best thing in life isn't things".

Don't know the author, couldn't agree more though.
 
2013-01-21 04:15:37 PM

dionysusaur: even with 100% vax rates, the virus is still out there, waiting. no pity, no remorse, it won't stop. ever.


Wrong
 
2013-01-21 05:27:59 PM

roadmarks: dionysusaur: even with 100% vax rates, the virus is still out there, waiting. no pity, no remorse, it won't stop. ever.

The polio virus cannot survive more than a few weeks at room temperature outside of a human body. It will not be waiting if there is no one it can transmit itself to.

In a few decades we may be able to stop polio vaccinations.


So, only humans (or hominines)? Before that there was _no_ poliovirus? There's no reservoir out there in nature like for Ebola or Marburg? As far as that goes, does the vax let your body kill it altogether, or keep it from busting out?

It may not be virulent in non-human populations, but still transmissible - until proven otherwise, this is the way we should roll.
 
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