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2013-01-21 12:53:03 PM
DNRTFA but is "God did it" among them?
 
2013-01-21 02:04:35 PM
Why do they all look the same?
Answer:
 Not all women with brown hair are the same person.
 
2013-01-21 02:05:57 PM
The problem is the people who believe this idiocy are also the sort of people who believe the truth has a liberal bias.
 
2013-01-21 02:09:41 PM
I wish this didn't need to exist.
 
2013-01-21 02:18:10 PM
Oh sure, this is what the author wants us to believe
 
2013-01-21 02:18:28 PM
Simpsons did it.
 
2013-01-21 02:19:57 PM
No, thank you. I just can't with these foolios.
 
2013-01-21 02:21:31 PM
I bet the jews did this.jpg
 
2013-01-21 02:23:23 PM
Anything to escape reality
 
2013-01-21 02:24:15 PM

NowhereMon: Why do they all look the same?
Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.


Are you sure?
 
2013-01-21 02:24:21 PM
There are Sandy Hook conspiracies? huh.
 
2013-01-21 02:25:37 PM

DubyaHater: Oh sure, this is what the author wants us to believe


Exactly...it's exactly what you would expect from someone trying to cover something up. They also tried to put together these "comprehensive" pieces about Roswell, the moon landing, JFK, and 9/11. Do "they" really think we're that dumb?
 
2013-01-21 02:26:30 PM
I don't worry about subtlety, I just give them the cockpunch they deserve.
 
2013-01-21 02:27:23 PM
Guides to crazy conspiracy theories are themselves a conspiracy.
 
2013-01-21 02:27:40 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There are Sandy Hook conspiracies? huh.


Are you surprised? This is the exact scenario certain nut-jobs have been waiting for: Obama staging a mass slaying to steal all the guns from 'muricans.
 
2013-01-21 02:29:35 PM
Maybe I'm just out of touch here in Europe, but people are actually denying that the Sandy Hook shooting actually took place?

Dear god.
 
2013-01-21 02:30:00 PM
Did you see the link to the article claiming the young girl is making DEVIL HORNS with her hand? This shiat makes my stomach turn.
 
2013-01-21 02:31:14 PM
People i know that believe the conspiracy crap think it had to be government mind control because no one just decides to murder a bunch of kids for no reason.

As if crazy or evil needs a reason.
 
2013-01-21 02:31:38 PM

Arkanaut: Guides to crazy conspiracy theories are themselves a conspiracy.


That's what they WANT you to think.
 
2013-01-21 02:31:41 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There are Sandy Hook conspiracies? huh.


Yeah, we had a few articles about them. Part of the "Obama is going to take our guns" crap. Some people are just mentally ill. Others are sociopaths or assholes; they feel if they can discredit the shootings they can blunt the reaction/calls for gun control from them.
 
2013-01-21 02:32:00 PM
Actually, I'd just have our system admin put a legal hold on the email in our archive tool and then I'd forward my concerns to HR for follow-up.

Somehow I doubt the company would approve of being used as a vessel for something that has such great potential to damage their image.
 
2013-01-21 02:33:58 PM

deanis: Did you see the link to the article claiming the young girl is making DEVIL HORNS with her hand? This shiat makes my stomach turn.


Why? Maybe the kid is just metal.

www.thegauntlet.com
 
2013-01-21 02:35:34 PM
This is just a guide to the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories.

If you want the rest I'd suggest the Rotten Library. I'm not going to link to it because I'm sure the whole domain is on the verboten list for Fark.
From the Rolodex of Love entry:

Angry Dragon
Immediately after you blow your load in a girl's mouth, smack the back of her head and make it come out her nose. When she gets up she'll look like an angry dragon.
 
2013-01-21 02:36:09 PM
Every poster in this thread has said WAY TOO MUCH!

Knock it off before we all wind up in sub-level 8 of Denver Airport tending to the offspring of our lizard-people overlords.
 
2013-01-21 02:37:20 PM

NowhereMon: Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.


That was pretty lame, to answer like that instead of explaining who the people in the pictures were.
 
2013-01-21 02:48:45 PM

heypete: Maybe I'm just out of touch here in Europe, but people are actually denying that the Sandy Hook shooting actually took place?

Dear god.


We're a nation of retards with the world's largest nuclear arsenal and as many firearms as people. Sleep tight!
 
2013-01-21 02:49:18 PM
It is widely known that Sandy Hook was Bane's strike zone #1 in his plan to seize Gotham City.

I saw it in that documentary!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-21 02:52:33 PM

heypete: Maybe I'm just out of touch here in Europe, but people are actually denying that the Sandy Hook shooting actually took place?

Dear god.


Nah, they think it took place for the most part, but they think it wasn't actually a disturbed young man who killed his mom and went on a rampage but rather black ops who were sent in to create an excuse for Obama to grab guns (or by bankers to take attention from the LIBOR scandal that wouldn't have involved American banks). They also believe the kill count is being exaggerated, and a large portion of survivors are actually actors who are faking their grief. Basically they grab hold of every inconsistent media report when everything was going down ("Why did the media suggest there was a second shooter possibly? Why did the estimates of the death toll fluctuate wildly when it was first being reported? Why has no one sat the children down who say they saw the shooter and really put the screws into them to make sure they weren't coached?")

It's really screwed up, if you can't tell.
 
2013-01-21 02:54:11 PM
My dad believes the shooting happened, but was a CIA operation ordered by Obama. Which is worse than hoping it didn't happen.
 
2013-01-21 02:54:32 PM
www.matthewtoschi.com
 
2013-01-21 02:55:49 PM
I'd read this, but I'm afraid I'd just weep blood. And really, WHAT would that accomplish?
 
2013-01-21 03:09:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: deanis: Did you see the link to the article claiming the young girl is making DEVIL HORNS with her hand? This shiat makes my stomach turn.

Why? Maybe the kid is just metal.

[www.thegauntlet.com image 500x484]


Please, my two-and-a-half year old can do it.
 
2013-01-21 03:12:00 PM
Has anyone noticed that there wasn't a huge "conspiracy" movement when the Sikh shooting happened? I guess it's only a conspiracy when white people die.

My "analysis" of the 3 women picture:

All 3 women are different, the issue is all the pictures are taken from different angles to make proper comparison near impossible. But if you stare at it for more than a minute you start to see differences.

Yes they all have dark-brown hair but in very different shades. I would say the "crisis actor" has black instead of brown. The lawyer has a mousey lighter brown, possibly a slightly faded dye job, versus the Mother who is a dyed dark-brown.

While they all have straightened shoulder-length hair BUT it's all different cuts. The biggest difference between Lawyer and the Mother is that the parts are different and I believe the Mother's hair has shorter front layers than the lawyer, but she's looking down so it's a little hard to tell. The Mother's hair is also waver than the Lawyer. The Lawyer's hair does lay smoother than the Mother's. Also, the other seems to have some light brown highlights in it versus the Lawyer which is monotone. The "crisis actor's" hair doesn't seem to be layered at all and is much straighter.

Also, the "crisis actor" is much younger than the other 2 women, she has no wrinkles or puffiness at all. I would say crisis actor and her husband are late 20's, possibly early 30's. The Lawyer and the Mother are probably similar ages, late 30's to early 40's, but with the mother's grief it's could be hard to tell. The puffiness of her face could easily be from crying and grief.
 
2013-01-21 03:15:08 PM

Jae0o0: People i know that believe the conspiracy crap think it had to be government mind control because no one just decides to murder a bunch of kids for no reason.

As if crazy or evil needs a reason.


Of course the irony being the people that believe that sort of thing is probably part of the pool of likely next perpetrators.
 
2013-01-21 03:16:22 PM
Government is incompetent, ineffective, and can't do anything right except micromanage vast, improbable conspiracies that are constantly happening everywhere and are used to maintain total control of all our lives.
 
2013-01-21 03:16:35 PM
Some Farkers were still posting the rifle in the car thing yesterday.
 
2013-01-21 03:24:59 PM
I have friends who are avid long-standing conspiracy buffs and they've openly stated that they're embarrassed to be associated with anyone perpetuating a conspiracy regarding Sandy Hook.

When a bunch of guys who think Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Yeti, Champy and Chupacabra exist that the moon landing is a hoax, that we are the descendents of aliens, that contrails cause cancer and cattle are regularly being turned inside out and probed anally by people in spaceships think you're using un-sound science and are doing so despite bad taste to further an agenda.....you've got problems.
 
2013-01-21 03:27:40 PM
How is any of this worth "debunking"? The people concocting these conspiracy theories are either trolls or knuckle-draggers.
 
2013-01-21 03:34:19 PM
Sandy is not going to be a popular name in the North East this year.
 
2013-01-21 03:37:27 PM
Difficulty: article is from Salon
 
2013-01-21 03:37:32 PM

heypete: Maybe I'm just out of touch here in Europe, but people are actually denying that the Sandy Hook shooting actually took place?

Dear god.


Yes. And as a CT principal (and someone who new Dawn Hochsprung since high school) I find it hard not to be completely offended.
 
2013-01-21 03:38:05 PM
I think that most of the conspiracy theory stuff is pure bunk, but the video of Robbie Parker does strike me as more than odd.
 
2013-01-21 03:38:46 PM
I work in a school. If any of my co-workers voiced this opinion, I'm pretty sure we'd all demand that chucklefark be fired.
 
2013-01-21 03:42:08 PM

what_now: I work in a school. If any of my co-workers voiced this opinion, I'm pretty sure we'd all demand that chucklefark be fired.


Chuck sounds French. I'd demand LeFark be fired, too.
 
2013-01-21 03:43:25 PM

Soup4Bonnie: what_now: I work in a school. If any of my co-workers voiced this opinion, I'm pretty sure we'd all demand that chucklefark be fired.

Chuck sounds French. I'd demand LeFark be fired, too.


Little-known fact: Chuck LeFark is Drew's real name. He had it changed after a misunderstanding in a bar in Charlotte.
 
2013-01-21 03:50:54 PM

Soup4Bonnie: what_now: I work in a school. If any of my co-workers voiced this opinion, I'm pretty sure we'd all demand that chucklefark be fired.

Chuck sounds French. I'd demand LeFark be fired, too.


 www.ironhidegames.com  ?
 
2013-01-21 03:57:04 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There are Sandy Hook conspiracies? huh.


10/10

seeing as you have an internet connection, you know there are.
 
2013-01-21 04:03:01 PM
Can somebody cut and paste, please? I'm on my tablet and I'm pretty sure most of the article is missing. Unless the page is supposed to autorefresh every three seconds and the article is only one paragraph long.
 
2013-01-21 04:17:02 PM

RINO: Can somebody cut and paste, please? I'm on my tablet and I'm pretty sure most of the article is missing. Unless the page is supposed to autorefresh every three seconds and the article is only one paragraph long.


While it's often best not to engage with conspiracy theorists on their own turf, as you can probably never convince them, it's worth setting the record straight on all the myths and phony evidence surrounding the Sandy Hook massacre.

We've rounded up every major piece of evidence we could find that leads theorists to say the "official narrative" of events "doesn't add up" and provided the facts that show why these questions can be easily explained. We've ignored the empty accusations with no evidence to support them (it was the Jews!) and focused only on the theories that try to present actual empirical or circumstantial evidence.

Let us know if we missed any and we'll add to it as more myths emerge. In no particular order, here is your comprehensive guide to disproving the Sandy Hook Truthers:

Why aren't the adults sadder? "They aren't behaving the way human beings would act," as conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner told fellow conspiracy theorist Jeff Rense on his radio show. Theorists have zeroed in on Robbie Parker, who they say wasn't grieving hard enough for his slain 6-year-old daughter, Emilie. In one widely circulated clip, Parker laughs before stepping up to the microphone, and apparently someone says "read from the card" (as in cue card) before Parker breathes heavily in anticipation of beginning a press conference. "This is what actors do to get into character," one popular YouTube video states. Rense and Weidner also take issue with the mourning of the school nurse, the family of slain teacher Victoria Soto, and others. "ALL ACTORS??? NO TEARS," wonders the author of SandyHookHoax.com on a page featuring videos with numerous interviews from the shooting.

Answer: People mourn in many different ways, sometimes all at once. As a recent Scientific American article on gref noted, "oscillation between sadness and mirth repeated itself in study after study ... Time and again, a grief-stricken person's expression would change from dejection to laughter and back." George Bonanno, a psychologist at Columbia University who studies grief, even developed a way to determine if this mourner's laughter was genuine or merely a facade to hide grief - he determined that they "exhibited the real thing." Scientists think this is part of our internal resilience mechanisms kicking in, because constant grief is simply too much for a person to handle.

What about Emilie? One of the most common myths circulated on message boards and in YouTube videos is that Emilie Parker is actually alive. The "proof" is a photo purportedly showing her with President Obama when he visited the school after the shooting. Conspiracists know it's Emilie because she's wearing the same dress as the one Emilie wore in a family portrait taken before the shooting (an alternative theory is that the girl in the photo with Obama is her "double"). Other websites take issue with the family portrait, alleging it was Photoshopped for some reason, pointing to the fact that the Emilie is making a "devil's horns" sign with her hands and "making the devil's horn hand sign isn't easy. Try it yourself. Imagine getting a 3- and 4-year-old do it."

Answer: The girl on Obama's lap is Emilie's little sister. It's amazing that we have to say this, but sometimes younger siblings wear clothes passed down to them from older siblings, and sometimes siblings look alike because they are siblings. And there's no evidence or even motive given for why the portrait would be Photoshopped. Making a "devil's horn" gesture is actually incredibly easy. Try it yourself.

Why do they all look the same? Numerous websites juxtapose pictures of people from Newtown against pictures of similar looking people from Aurora, Colo., and assert they are the same actors.

Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.

But what about the rifle? Alleged shooter Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle as his primary weapon, but conspiracist have seized on footage of police removing a long gun from the trunk of Lanza's car. "This reveals the 'Big Lie' of the mainstream media ... the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle was left in Lanza's car," conspiracy website NaturalNews states in a story picked up by Alex Jones' InfoWars this week.

Answer: Actually, the gun shown being removed from Lanza's car was a shotgun he never used. Lanza brought three guns inside the school - the AR-15 and two handguns - all of which were found inside the school.

How come the memorial pages were created before the shooting? One of the most cited pieces of "hard evidence" in the hoax theory is that memorial pages for the victims were allegedly created before the shooting even took place. Theorists point to Google results giving dates before the shooting for various pages.

Answer: Actually, this is a very common glitch for constricted-date Google searches. The results are imprecise and can often display incorrect dates on the search page, even when the date on the actual page is correct when you click through to it. For instance, here's a Fox News story on the Sandy Hook shooting that Google says is from Oct. 1, 1983 - how come Fox News didn't stop the shooting if it had 30 years advance notice???

What about the car? Early on, theorists latched on to the notion that the black Honda Accord driven by Lanza was not actually owned by his mother, as police say, but by a man named Chris Rodia, who was mentioned on a police scanner at the time of the shooting. One theory is that Rodia may have been an additional shooter. An even more advanced theory is that Rodia may have been taking advantage of mentally ill people like Lanza and using drugs to make them do his bidding.

Answer: This one was debunked by the theorists themselves just a few days after the shooting. BeforeItsNews, a conspiracy website, obtained the police audio definitively debunking the myth (Rodia appeared on the scanner because he was getting pulled over in a traffic stop miles away, but his license plate doesn't match Lanza's car). "This was a huge blow, because lots of people were making big leaps on this ... but we now have to look elsewhere," another amateur investigator said on YouTube.

What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, "an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town" who heard the gunfire.

What about the third man at the firehouse? Children fleeing the school said they saw a man pinned down on the ground in handcuffs outside the firehouse. Could this be a second or third shooter?

Answer: No, like Manfredonia, this man was briefly detained by police in the hectic aftermath, but quickly released when it was determined he was just a passerby, Connecticut State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, confirmed to Salon. "Were there other people detained? The answer is yes. In the height of battle, until you've determined who, what, when, where and why of everyone in existence ... that's not unusual," Vance said.

Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters? Theorizers have parsed conflicting media reports and interviews with eyewitnesses saying they saw multiple shooters. How could they be wrong?

Answer: In the stress and confusion of a situation like a mass shooting, misreporting is not just common, but the rule. And there's a reason eyewitnesses are viewed so skeptically in criminal court cases: They often get things wrong. The Supreme Court has called eyewitness testimony "notoriously unreliable" while the Innocence Project says "eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions." Yet theorists would have you believe that a small handful of media interviews with people on the scene trumps all the other interviews with people there and police and media reports.

What about that Gene Rosen guy? Theorists have fixated on Rosen's account of that day and harassed him for it. Rosen sheltered six children during the shooting, but theorists have alternately claimed that Rosen's accounts are suspiciously too consistent in various interviews he gave, or suspiciously inconsistent. Other people claim Rosen was an actor, because they claim he is a member of the Screen Actors Guild. And what happened to the bus driver? Why did Rosen sit with the kids for hours? Why didn't he take them to the firehouse down the street where authorities were staging?

Answer: Rosen did invite the bus driver inside and she helped him contact their parents. An early AP report erroneously reported that he sat with the kids for hours, but he told us that the children were only inside his house for about 35 minutes. He did call their parents. Four parents came right away and Rosen took the remaining two to the fire station. Rosen is not a member of SAG (that's a different Gene Rosen, who is seven years younger).

But how was the dead principal quoted? Theorists seized on a quote on the shooting in the Newtown Bee from a Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, who died in the shooting. How could she have been quoted if she "died"?

Answer: The Bee quickly posted a retraction and an apology: "An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack." Things are confusing in the aftermath.

What about the LIBOR connection? Early theories posited that the fathers of both Lanza and alleged Aurora shooter James Holmes were set to testify before the Senate on the (real) LIBOR banking scandal. Could bankers have been involved in the shooting to discredit the supposedly explosive testimony set to be given by these two men?

Answer: This one falls apart in just about every way and the hardcore theorists abandoned it weeks ago as a bogus. Ben Swann, the Ohio TV reporter who thinks there were probably multiple shooters at Sandy Hook, investigated and determined there was "no evidence" to support any of the assumptions in the LIBOR theory. TPM also looked into it and found it to be "100% false." There are no LIBOR hearings scheduled, neither man was selected as a witness, and neither man is in much of a position to deliver an explosive testimony on the scandal anyway.

Vance said he was disgusted by the conspiracy theories. "There's no hoax. I was there. I stepped over the dead children. That's no hoax. And it's offensive to me as an investigator, and it's offensive to the families who lost their babies to have people come up with silliness like this. Whatever their reasoning is, whatever their rationale is, it's just terribly offensive," Vance added.

Alex Seitz-Wald is Salon's political reporter. Email him at a­s­e­i­t­z­-wald[nospam-﹫-backwards]nolas*c­om, and follow him on Twitter @aseitzwald.
 
2013-01-21 04:22:49 PM
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