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(NJ.com)   Showing slavery and Klan violence is fine, but oral sex crosses the line   (blog.nj.com) divider line 93
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2013-01-21 10:50:43 AM
Provocative imagery? Certainly. Impetus for frank, civil discussions about race? Absolutely. Cause for excessive pearl clutching and fainting couches? NO.
 
2013-01-21 11:02:26 AM
Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.
 
2013-01-21 11:09:26 AM

edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.


By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?
 
2013-01-21 11:14:57 AM

EvilEgg: edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.

By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?


The good parts.
 
2013-01-21 11:14:58 AM
What's wrong with showing Democrat history?
 
2013-01-21 11:16:09 AM
Well, that sucks-blows-whatever.
 
2013-01-21 11:16:43 AM

EvilEgg: edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.

By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?


Anything involving the French?
 
2013-01-21 11:16:58 AM
fap
 
2013-01-21 11:17:43 AM
img685.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-21 11:18:41 AM
Does not approve:

i2.listal.com
 
2013-01-21 11:19:32 AM
Some people just don't want to know that slavery sucked.
 
2013-01-21 11:20:26 AM
When I read the headline, I thought this was going to be about movies like Django Unchained and Brown Bunny.
 
2013-01-21 11:21:18 AM

EvilEgg: edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.

By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?



The part where rape and murder used to be perfectly legal.
 
2013-01-21 11:22:18 AM

EvilEgg: edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.

By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?


You're right. No slaves were subjected to sexual abuse.
 
2013-01-21 11:22:30 AM
I don't have a problem with the content itself, but it looks like something a teenager might scribble on a notebook during social studies class.

/I bet the artist spent hours on the upper lip shading.
 
2013-01-21 11:27:34 AM
Massa mighty brave to let dem teef near his tiny pink sausage.
 
2013-01-21 11:29:11 AM
I'm in favor of anything that pisses off religious people.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2013-01-21 11:30:29 AM
Painting in question:

www.forodecostarica.com
 
2013-01-21 11:31:01 AM
www.esquire.com

splitsider.com

Pawnee understands their pain.
 
2013-01-21 11:34:19 AM
Remember kids, if you don't see or hear about it, it never happened

/seriously, why can't there be rational discussion about things that make idiots like this uneasy?
 
2013-01-21 11:35:52 AM
FTFA: The huge drawing was done by Kara Walker, a renowned African-American artist whose themes deal with race, gender, sexuality and violence. This piece shows the horrors of reconstruction, 20th-century Jim Crowism and hooded figures of the Ku Klux Klan.

The controversial part depicts a white man holding the head of a naked black woman to his groin, her back to the viewer.


and that's where I stopped. I don't need to see that shiat. It'd be something new if it was a drawing or painting from the slave days, somebody who actually lived it or experienced it or heard about it contemporarily. But if it's just something that someone modern did, I can search for any number of free (or paid!) porn clips and see the exact same bullshiat.

Maybe if there was a juxtaposition of a recreation of the old reality clipped next to the fake (and I do mean fake) liberation of the new reality, that would be something. Who's really free? What really changed? That kind of stuff.

Or maybe I'm missing out. I don't have the stomach for it right now. Maybe later. The rest of you all?
 
2013-01-21 11:41:00 AM
Couldn't the workers (it was the employees that were complaining) just file a sexual harassment claim for a hostile workplace and achieve the desired goal? If Joe Blow in accounting can't display blowjob pics on his desk or even pics of his wife without being slapped down, then management can't either.
 
2013-01-21 11:42:27 AM
Kendell Willis, an employee, said he had a better understanding of the library's position after the meeting with officials.

Position - heh.

I believe that's a 68, technically.
 
2013-01-21 11:47:28 AM
If pot is illegal to protect white women from having relations with jazz musicians, then paintings of massa-slave BJs should also be illegal.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the chilluns?
 
2013-01-21 11:51:04 AM
As a society we are screwed up. Show people getting there heads blown off, no one says a word. Flash a boob for half a second and people lose there minds.
 
2013-01-21 11:51:36 AM

Smeggy Smurf: What's wrong with showing Democrat history?


are you the same guy from the comments on NJ.com? What does this even mean? What the hell?
 
2013-01-21 11:55:22 AM
Looks like "modern art" crap to me.
I prefer more classical depictions of violence.
 
2013-01-21 11:56:55 AM
is it just me or can you clearly see the woman's butthole in the drawing? maybe this should be tagged nsfw?
 
2013-01-21 12:00:47 PM
Good the painting is still on display rather than covered; whether or not I enjoy the work (Kara Walker does some interesting and talented pieces), libraries are places which should stamp out censorship as has often been done.
 
2013-01-21 12:04:05 PM
I like the drawing. I have seen better, but I have also seen worse. As for the oral sex depicted in the corner, there is no reason to cover it up. To ignore the sexual abuse that happened does a great disservice to an honest depiction of slavery. This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with showing the worst parts of a shameful time in American history.

Leave it up. Let everyone, kids included, see it. It is up to the kids' parents or teachers to explain what it means and why it needs to be there. Patrons know it is there. If they decide to keep their kids out of the library bc of it, that is their business. But, for those who may want to see it, or see it as a teaching opportunity, don't take it down.

I would let my 10 year old see it, but most likely not my 5 year old.
 
2013-01-21 12:06:02 PM

macadamnut: The part where rape and murder used to be perfectly legal.


If it's legal it can't be rape or murder. That's why the right prefers "thou shalt do no murder" to "thou shalt not kill": it leaves open the possibility of killing whenever it is legal to do so.
 
2013-01-21 12:14:50 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: I like the drawing. I have seen better, but I have also seen worse. As for the oral sex depicted in the corner, there is no reason to cover it up. To ignore the sexual abuse that happened does a great disservice to an honest depiction of slavery. This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with showing the worst parts of a shameful time in American history.

Leave it up. Let everyone, kids included, see it. It is up to the kids' parents or teachers to explain what it means and why it needs to be there. Patrons know it is there. If they decide to keep their kids out of the library bc of it, that is their business. But, for those who may want to see it, or see it as a teaching opportunity, don't take it down.

I would let my 10 year old see it, but most likely not my 5 year old.


Everyone has different standards, and believes their own standards should be imposed on everyone else, but pitches a fit when anyone elses' standards are imposed on them.

/just got back from asking Linux tech support for help setting up a digest authentication using squid and dansguardian, so I could filter my 5-year-old nephew's account without also cutting my mom's account off from her webmail
//apparently this is such horrible hypocrisy that the banhammer is the only logical response
///yes I'm mad
 
2013-01-21 12:21:32 PM
Apos:
"and fainting couches"

Maybe those couches were a little dehydrated?

Can anyone post the pic? Can't see it on my phone. Thx.
 
2013-01-21 12:27:09 PM
the painting is a discussion worth having. Books like Hannah Rosen's Terror in the Heart of Freedom have opened up some space to talk about how African American women's bodies, and the laws about sexual violence, are at the center of their identity as citizens. This is different than for men, who were were given more rights in the 14th and 15th Amendments. women did not have the vote, for example, and until rather recently rape was a law that protected "a man's marriage bed" most of the time. Because the southern states even denied that blacks could be married, it took over a century to convince them that a black woman could be raped.
 
2013-01-21 12:28:18 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: FTFA: The huge drawing was done by Kara Walker, a renowned African-American artist whose themes deal with race, gender, sexuality and violence. This piece shows the horrors of reconstruction, 20th-century Jim Crowism and hooded figures of the Ku Klux Klan.

The controversial part depicts a white man holding the head of a naked black woman to his groin, her back to the viewer.


and that's where I stopped. I don't need to see that shiat. It'd be something new if it was a drawing or painting from the slave days, somebody who actually lived it or experienced it or heard about it contemporarily. But if it's just something that someone modern did, I can search for any number of free (or paid!) porn clips and see the exact same bullshiat.

Maybe if there was a juxtaposition of a recreation of the old reality clipped next to the fake (and I do mean fake) liberation of the new reality, that would be something. Who's really free? What really changed? That kind of stuff.

Or maybe I'm missing out. I don't have the stomach for it right now. Maybe later. The rest of you all?


If you're argument is that the sex is gratuitous and not necessary I agree but it is effective in getting attention. Even now, with stuff available all over the internet, there are the 'prudes' that pride themselves on never looking at 'pron' who will see this as something shocking.
 
2013-01-21 12:29:12 PM

orbister: macadamnut: The part where rape and murder used to be perfectly legal.

If it's legal it can't be rape or murder. That's why the right prefers "thou shalt do no murder" to "thou shalt not kill": it leaves open the possibility of killing whenever it is legal to do so.


Are you really arguing that that sexually assaulted slaves, which was perfectly legal since they had no legal rights, does not constitute rape?

Really?

It might not have fit the legal description at the time but let's not try and sugar coat it. Slaves were raped on a regular basis. And tortured. And killed.
 
2013-01-21 12:30:03 PM
If they can have this than they can have Little Annie Fannie put up all over the library walls too.
 
2013-01-21 12:43:43 PM
Correction: showing slavery is only fine if the slaves can be portrayed as being trapped and rounded up by evil white people like so much cattle, rather than being traded for goods by the fellow Africans that originally captured them via tribal warfare. You know, like what really happened. They must be portrayed as blameless.
 
2013-01-21 12:46:10 PM

enderthexenocide: is it just me or can you clearly see the woman's butthole in the drawing? maybe this should be tagged nsfw?


No , I am pretty sure that is a picture of you in her butt crack.
 
2013-01-21 12:48:42 PM
people are going to continue to be hurt for a long time to come. the horror of the black slave days live on through the years, the wounds never heal. there is always someone that makes sure the hate lives on, whether they are black or white. it's in how we treat each other, how we raise our children and how hoodlums target their victims. every decade has photo images and news clippings that are enough to make you weep. i don't know what it will take to get people in america past the hurt and toward the healing. at the rate we're going it's going to continue to improve at a glacial pace for centuries to come. a piece of controversial artwork like this serves one purpose: to give publicity to the artists name. it's too easy to fan the flames where the embers glow red. if this artist had some depth to their being they would have aimed to cause a ruckus not by reaching for low hanging fruit but by creating a work that promotes harmony which is so powerful it makes viewers give pause and take time to think. the brush and the pen are powerful tools in the right hands; self-promotion doesn't require much talent or thought.
 
2013-01-21 12:49:06 PM
FTFA: London, a New York City resident, said an art consultant he works with offered the drawing to the mayor's office first. He said the city wanted to display it, but officials told them they didn't have room.

Mayor's Aide: "Yeah... uh... we'd totally hang your painting, but the color clashes with the decor. Oh... black and white you say? Yeah, I suppose that does go with everything... Well, too bad we don't have any space. Bye bye now!"
 
2013-01-21 12:50:03 PM

Tatterdemalian: /just got back from asking Linux tech support for help setting up a digest authentication using squid and dansguardian, so I could filter my 5-year-old nephew's account without also cutting my mom's account off from her webmail


I use OpenDNS. It saved my kids virgin mind until I decided it was time for the kid to be exploited by satanic minds myself. So I approved Fark for my kid.
 
2013-01-21 12:52:41 PM

EvilEgg: edmo: Censorship: the first step in revisionist history.

By censoring the oral sex, what part of history are the attempting to revise?


Well reconstruction was tough for black people but it was mostly like a good Queens rules bought of fisticuffs.

/stories of rape, abuse and lynchings are very much exaggerated
 
2013-01-21 12:52:51 PM
Relevant:

70sBJFACES

(NSFW)
 
2013-01-21 12:53:52 PM

Bennie Crabtree: it took over a century to convince them that a black woman could be raped.


Who says they're convinced?
 
2013-01-21 12:56:48 PM

o'really: Apos:
"and fainting couches"

Maybe those couches were a little dehydrated?

Can anyone post the pic? Can't see it on my phone. Thx.


As you wish:


www.lornasloveabledolls.com

Wait....You meant the painting itself?
 
2013-01-21 01:00:35 PM
Much too perilous.
 
2013-01-21 01:00:37 PM
FARK, I am dissapoint.
www.oocities.org
 
2013-01-21 01:01:04 PM
I have the deepest respect for Librarians.
They are (usually) the local revolutionaries. Holding art shows that enrage the community and not caring one whit about the public's "Sensitivities" refusing to censor unpopular views espoused in books and generally running counter to all one sided viewpoints.
Librarians make us confront reality in all it's beauty and warts.
A good library and a smart librarian are far better at making the government come to heel than any weapon you could buy.


They also are about the only people that can kick my ass in Trivial Pursuit on a regular basis.
 
2013-01-21 01:02:17 PM

No Time To Explain: Remember kids, if you don't see or hear about it, it never happened

/seriously, why can't there be rational discussion about things that make idiots like this uneasy?


Because the people who get offended want to believe the following things at the same time:

1. The USA ordained into existence by an all loving, all powerful God.
2. The United States has committed horrible atrocities like slavery, conquest, premeditated, unwarranted warfare.
 
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