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(Washington Post)   The Obama administration is creating clear rules to follow when targeting a specific individual for death...except for CIA drones. Whatever, they can do what they want   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 32
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2013-01-21 10:44:11 AM
6 votes:
It's not bad when liberals do it. Just get over it. Republican bad, liberal good. It's simple as that. If you have trouble with it, too bad, you're probably racist anyway.
2013-01-21 11:44:23 AM
4 votes:

Anonymous Bosch: For the people biatching about how it's "okay when Obama does it":


Actually, we were pointing out the hypocrisy of people saying it is only bad when Bush did it.

Small but significant difference, and one that there was no way in hell was going to get in the way of your little rant, right sport?

protip: Obama's not ACTUALLY using the drones in Iraq, so... yeah. Bush bad, we get it. Thanks for posting.
2013-01-21 11:11:27 AM
4 votes:
I'm sure all the fark liberals screaming for a Bush war crimes trial will just happily add Obama to the list, right? Right? Yeah, that's what we thought.
2013-01-21 12:18:55 PM
3 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Champion of the Sun: It's kinda weird that only a tiny minority of the populace has a problem with this. Not even 10% of us can get upset about the CIA using flying death robots with no oversight. I guess we're either incredibly stupid, or desensitized to killing. Probably both

/No, it's more the fact that the terrorists hide in buildings with civilians in them. Or churches. You can't expect to bomb and not have civilian casualties. I'm sure (and ive seen alot of those vids) that they try their hardest to not lob a hellfire into someone's house that is not involved, but ya, it's war. It sucks, but it's much better than the carpet bombing of WWII.


That's a completely different argument than the one we're having. But I don't think we're at war with the many countries in which we use predator drone strikes.

Even if we hit zero innocent civilians, we haven't shown even by circumstantial evidence that the people we are killing are actually terrorists. So who's actually a civilian? A secret oversight committee subject to no one tells you so.
2013-01-21 10:45:32 AM
3 votes:
So they're making up their own rules so there's no impropriety in their own extrajudicial actions.

Sounds legit.
2013-01-21 10:45:27 AM
3 votes:
"I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge... I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."  --- Frank Church
2013-01-22 12:49:50 AM
2 votes:

Anonymous Bosch: If you can say that both sides are equally bad with a straight face, you are brain damaged, misinformed, or disingenuous. Though I'm not ruling out all three.


The only people going on about both sides being equally bad are the morons like you who want to keep bringing Bush into it. Bush isn't President. He can't change a god damned thing. Obama could put a stop to this, but he has no reason to since his good little idiot supporters will keep supporting him regardless.
2013-01-21 01:05:06 PM
2 votes:
Here's the story of one of the "militants" killed by the US as told by a journalist who had chanced to meet him when he came to protest drone killings of civilians.

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The attentive, unassuming young man sitting near me in the picture is Tariq Aziz.

He was 16 when we met last October, just a year older than my own teenage son, although with his neatly trimmed beard and traditional shalwar kameez he looked more like the grown men alongside him.

Tariq had travelled many hours to the relative safety of Islamabad from his home in Waziristan, a rugged Pakistani tribal area on the border with Afghanistan.

He was there to join a protest about the plague of American 'drones' - the remote-controlled aircraft that have left a bloody trail of death and fury among the innocent villagers who struggle to earn a living in the unforgiving mountainous region.

I was there to distribute digital cameras so that the people from Waziristan could record the damage and death caused by the drones, as part of a campaign to prove that innocent civilians are dying.

Tariq, a keen amateur photographer, was given one of the cameras before he left to return home.

Three days later he was dead. Like his cousin, who had died in April 2010 and whose identity card he clutched when we met, he was blown to pieces by a drone strike. The appalling irony of how his young life ended will stay with me for ever.

He had travelled for eight hours by bus from Waziristan to attend a conference to discuss the covert use of drones by the CIA, bringing with him his cousin's ID card, retrieved from rubble after he was killed by a Hellfire missile fired by a drone near his home.

Tariq was one of the youngest in the group of men, some blind, others missing limbs, who had descended on the capital from Waziristan, armed with gruesome photographs of women and children blown to pieces among debris and Hellfire missile parts stamped with serial numbers and the US flag.

It was three days later that I received the news of Tariq's death, in an email entitled 'Recent victim of drone folly' from one of the conference organisers. Tariq had been killed, it informed me, alongside another of his cousins, 12-year-old Waheed, as they drove near their home. Tariq's new camera was destroyed in the blast.

According to Tariq's family, at about noon on the day he died he had been driving with his younger cousin Waheed to pick up an aunt after her wedding.

A few hundred yards from his aunt's house, one homed in and struck Tariq's car. Both boys were dead, their bodies badly burned, when people arrived from the village. The rescue party had held back at first, as drones frequently strike again at those who come to rescue the injured, in what have become known as 'Samaritan attacks'.


Let's see if the Obama administration will claim this child was a "militant"

In response to the death of Tariq, an anonymous US official was quoted in a piece carried on ABC News saying that the car was targeted by the CIA because 'the two people inside it were militants'.

Well, of course they did.
2013-01-21 12:47:24 PM
2 votes:
2013-01-21 11:36:39 AM
2 votes:
For the people biatching about how it's "okay when Obama does it":

No, not really. But as stated above there's a farkton more blame for Bush here. We, as a country, wouldn't be doing this if a certain War On An Abstract Concept didn't get started on the first place. But that would've required an atmosphere in 2001-3 wherein actual debate could've occurred, instead of the swarm of chest-thumping, flag-waving idiots we had terrifying politicians into rubber-stamping shiat like the Patriot Act.

My father had the gall to tell one of his co-workers that he thought the war in Iraq was a bad idea, and the response he got was that he obviously just wanted to see Americans die.

Should Obama or the CIA be doing this? Is it moral, ethical or legal? fark NO. But you conservative assholes let the genie out of the bottle, and people tend not to give power back, as you might have noticed from the umpteenth extension of warrantless wiretapping recently. You didn't just condone torture and murder and the destruction of civil liberty, you cheered for it. And some of you are still out there cheering for it as long as Obama doesn't get the credit. You ceded any pretense of moral authority the United States of America ever had because you got scared.

You destroyed this country, and you're whining like little biatches now that it looks like you might have to pay the price too. fark off.
2013-01-21 11:31:37 AM
2 votes:

Champion of the Sun: I know you're both just trolls, and I do think there's a lot of illegality in the way Obama does things. But this is a lot different than manufacturing evidence in order to invade a sovereign country. Can you not see the difference? Wait, don't answer that. If Obama starts assassinating people based on lies he created and fed to the media, while relying on those media statements as proof of his assertions, then we can talk. Still shouldn't kill citizens without due process.


I like it when a guy who has been here a month starts right out with the ad hominems.

So it is not a problem that the Administration is assassinating people in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia?

Ok then.
2013-01-21 11:20:11 AM
2 votes:

halfof33: WhoopAssWayne: I'm sure all the fark liberals screaming for a Bush war crimes trial will just happily add Obama to the list, right? Right? Yeah, that's what we thought.

Some guy was crowing last night about Bush being a "war criminal" and how he couldn't visit certain countries without fear of getting arrested, and I pointed out that many countries aren't particularly happy with The Administration's use of hunter/killer drones, and how is that working out for you.

/hypocritical slurpers gonna slurp


I know you're both just trolls, and I do think there's a lot of illegality in the way Obama does things. But this is a lot different than manufacturing evidence in order to invade a sovereign country. Can you not see the difference? Wait, don't answer that. If Obama starts assassinating people based on lies he created and fed to the media, while relying on those media statements as proof of his assertions, then we can talk. Still shouldn't kill citizens without due process.
2013-01-21 11:10:34 AM
2 votes:
It's kinda weird that only a tiny minority of the populace has a problem with this. Not even 10% of us can get upset about the CIA using flying death robots with no oversight. I guess we're either incredibly stupid, or desensitized to killing. Probably both
2013-01-21 08:56:39 PM
1 votes:
Anonymous Bosch SmartestFunniest 2013-01-21 08:05:13 PM


umad: SixOfDLoC: I have this exact exchange with derptards on my local news channel's FB feed every day, but I had never managed to put it as clearly and eloquently as you just did.

Bu-bu-but Bush! Eloquent indeed.

Evil is evil. It doesn't make it better if one person is doing it or another. If you were really "bullied" into supporting it before then you should be mad as hell now instead of continuing to make excuses for them.

And save yourself the trouble of responding with an accusation that I was ok with it under Bush, because I have actually been against this shiat from day 1. I don't change my beliefs based on the party in power. You guys are pathetic partisan little worms.

Well, like a lot of the rest of the country you were awfully ......excuses excuses excuses.....blah blah blah....a rational or virtuous justication for anything. You're very good at finding ways to dismiss other people's concerns.


You are just proving his point you twat. You really are a partisan worm. How you convince yoruself that you are any different from GOPers should be scientifically studied. It really is fascinating how both sides has convinced themselves that they are 100% right on every issue. My take is that if you call yourself a Dem or a Republican it's because you litterally dont know a farking thing about the issues. Therefore, you pick a side knowing that no matter how farking wrong you are, you have a group of people that are wrong with you, and better yet, you dont even have to explain your position because your "news" pundits give you your talking points. It's a matter of choosing to be included in a group at the cost of blind obedience.
2013-01-21 06:48:28 PM
1 votes:
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2013-01-21 10:55:42 AM

GameSprocket: stirfrybry: It's not bad when liberals do it. Just get over it. Republican bad, liberal good. It's simple as that. If you have trouble with it, too bad, you're probably racist anyway.

Just gonna phone it in, huh?

Today is not a good day for people like him. He's doing the best he can.[/quote]
your two posts prove him right.

You two clowns are more upset at him calling dear leader on it than you are about dear leader killing people.
2013-01-21 06:03:43 PM
1 votes:
Move along subby, no actual liberals on this site.

Obama supporters yes, but not actual liberals.
2013-01-21 05:11:52 PM
1 votes:
They will assassinate you with drones, bankrupt the country by bailing out banks and starting wars with lies, and sell guns to Mexican Drug Cartels...but you think the gov't is taking small methodical steps to erode your right to own guns? Paranoid gun nut
2013-01-21 04:53:34 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Champion of the Sun: It's kinda weird that only a tiny minority of the populace has a problem with this. Not even 10% of us can get upset about the CIA using flying death robots with no oversight. I guess we're either incredibly stupid, or desensitized to killing. Probably both

/No, it's more the fact that the terrorists hide in buildings with civilians in them. Or churches. You can't expect to bomb and not have civilian casualties. I'm sure (and ive seen alot of those vids) that they try their hardest to not lob a hellfire into someone's house that is not involved, but ya, it's war. It sucks, but it's much better than the carpet bombing of WWII.


WWII was war.

Each drone kill creates more recruits for the terrorists and revolutionaries.

Each son or daughter killed spawns a dozen vows of vengeance.
2013-01-21 04:24:11 PM
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: the CIA doesn't give a fark what I think, and obviously they don't care if they kill innocent people.


The CIA doesn't need to care, since the entire point of TFA is that Obama has officially exempted them from following any sort of rules.
2013-01-21 04:17:12 PM
1 votes:
Too bad we didn't have the ability to liquify enemy assets a while a go. It could have done some good back then.

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2013-01-21 02:12:19 PM
1 votes:

goatleggedfellow: Don't we cause fewer civilian deaths with drones than a land invasion?

Even the WWII nukes in Japan resulted in capitulation without a horrific land invasion, thus resulting in fewer civilian deaths. Numbers are relative. Still grim, but relative. You're measuring against a baseline and that baseline is not zero.


Japan and Germany declared war against us. These countries didn't.
2013-01-21 01:42:45 PM
1 votes:

umad: cryinoutloud: People who put themselves into war zones, even if they're innocent, might get killed.

They didn't put themselves into a war zone. We made their home a war zone.


Hey, now. That slut was just asking to be raped. She shouldn't have been dressed like that.
2013-01-21 01:30:57 PM
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: People who put themselves into war zones, even if they're innocent, might get killed.


They didn't put themselves into a war zone. We made their home a war zone. I would have thought that somebody who complains about being poor so often would have some sympathy for the people who don't have the means to just uproot and move somewhere safer.

cryinoutloud: And telling the CIA that "it's not fair" I don't think carries much weight. If he knows that our government is corrupt and kills civilians, did he expect to get some special treatment because HE is a civilian?

I hate cops. For that reason, I'm NOT going to go start a public protest about how stupid and brutal most cops are, because I know that's a good way to get myself killed, even if, by law, I haven't done anything wrong.  That's not fair, either. Could it be that life, and governments, are not fair?


So life sucks, STFU and deal with it. Quite the patriot you are.
2013-01-21 01:10:15 PM
1 votes:

SixOfDLoC: I have this exact exchange with derptards on my local news channel's FB feed every day, but I had never managed to put it as clearly and eloquently as you just did.


Bu-bu-but Bush! Eloquent indeed.

Evil is evil. It doesn't make it better if one person is doing it or another. If you were really "bullied" into supporting it before then you should be mad as hell now instead of continuing to make excuses for them.

And save yourself the trouble of responding with an accusation that I was ok with it under Bush, because I have actually been against this shiat from day 1. I don't change my beliefs based on the party in power. You guys are pathetic partisan little worms.
2013-01-21 12:28:46 PM
1 votes:
2013-01-21 12:10:00 PM
1 votes:
The so-called "signature strikes", where we go out and shoot missiles at people because they're Muslims of military age gathered in a group or something like that, has to be one of the scariest precedents of all the "innovations" of the War on Terrorism.

Surprise, surprise, the mainstream media doesn't agree. At least not for the next four years.
2013-01-21 11:45:51 AM
1 votes:

halfof33: I like it when a guy who has been here a month starts right out with the ad hominems.

So it is not a problem that the Administration is assassinating people in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia?

Ok then.


Listen brah, this is my fourth or fifth login here. Been around a long time. (Never used them for trolling/sockpuppetting) And it doesn't take much reading to see that you a troll. I was just laughing at the fake liberal you guys were making up. I said these are illegal actions, just that comparing targeted drone strikes and invasion of a sovereign country based on lies you created are so wildly different, that comparing them would be idiotic. There's a chance Obama could be a war criminal, anyone that isn't a partisan knows Bush is one. And you're the kind of piece of excrement that Anonymous Bosch was talking about. You don't care that these drone strikes are occurring, you only care that Obama is the one okaying them.
2013-01-21 11:30:09 AM
1 votes:
Can we start using drone strikes in the US then? Much more effective and quicker than our current justice system.

Let's start by nuking Adam Lanza from orbit.
2013-01-21 11:25:48 AM
1 votes:

jmr61: I don't like it when it's American citizens that are targeted, which of course was done, but then again if you're in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. hanging out with known enemies of the US you pretty much deserve your fate.


My problem with that is, how do we know these aren't just weekend warriors playing tough. We have a ton of these guys in the US. A bunch of people up in McVeigh's neck of the woods play revolutionary in the woods every weekend. How do we know this isn't the same thing? Seems there should be some sort of process involved, other than doing whatever we want. And association shouldn't be enough to kill someone without more anyways. Seems we've killed a hundred terrorists for every one attack. Disproportionate at least.
2013-01-21 11:19:22 AM
1 votes:

Champion of the Sun: It's kinda weird that only a tiny minority of the populace has a problem with this. Not even 10% of us can get upset about the CIA using flying death robots with no oversight. I guess we're either incredibly stupid, or desensitized to killing. Probably both


You forgot "blindly partisan" or "afraid of being called a bigot."
2013-01-21 11:16:26 AM
1 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: I'm sure all the fark liberals screaming for a Bush war crimes trial will just happily add Obama to the list, right? Right? Yeah, that's what we thought.


Some guy was crowing last night about Bush being a "war criminal" and how he couldn't visit certain countries without fear of getting arrested, and I pointed out that many countries aren't particularly happy with The Administration's use of hunter/killer drones, and how is that working out for you.

/hypocritical slurpers gonna slurp
2013-01-21 10:41:01 AM
1 votes:
As far as the CIA is concerned, Barack Obama is just another subject and has the same potential as any Afghani or any other civilian.

The CIA does whatever it wants, to whomever it wants, whenever the hell it wants.

Because there is nobody in the world that can tell them no.
 
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