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(Gallup)   Gallup poll says that 38% of Americans want stricter gun control. The other 62% wouldn't come out from their bunkers to be questioned   (gallup.com) divider line 432
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2013-01-21 09:41:52 AM  
 
2013-01-21 10:04:05 AM  
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2013-01-21 10:27:03 AM  
So the majority of Americans do not want stricter gun control.

I thought we had a poll showing that 135% of NRA members want guns banned?!?!
Damn Brady farkers lied again.
I am shocked.
 
2013-01-21 10:31:09 AM  
The same Gallup that called the election for Romney? That Gallup?
 
2013-01-21 10:42:26 AM  
Is like 38% of Americans not wanting a Government take-over of Medicare?  I'm getting that vibe.  Some significant percentage of the population conflating gun control with a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-21 10:52:15 AM  
Broad question.  Like most polls, you would get a much clearer picture of the way most people are thinking by asking about specific potential policies.  It's like asking if someone wants more or less government spending, as opposed to asking people if the government should be funding specific programs.
 
2013-01-21 10:56:31 AM  

mahuika: The same Gallup that called the election for Romney? That Gallup?


yup.  that's what I came here to say.  these are the same guys who were absolutely, totally positive Romney was gonna win, the country was right wing and that the Democrats were completely, totally and in all ways doomed.

soooo....yeah.  i'm a bit skeptical concerning their polling methods.
 
2013-01-21 11:01:16 AM  
OK, no new laws.

How about a shiatload of taxes instead.  We can fund universal health care with the money, including mental  health care.

You can still have your precious guns, and maybe some good will come of it for once.  And I mean actual good, not your bullshiat "stoppin' tyranny" and "fightin' the pig hordes"
 
2013-01-21 11:08:24 AM  

unamused: So the majority of Americans do not want stricter gun control.


The percentage of those who are dissatisfied and want less strict gun laws is falling, now barely half as many as a decade ago. This obviously means even pro-gun people see the need for new limitations.

/you ain't the only person who can spin the facts
 
2013-01-21 11:08:39 AM  
Nice to know what's being proposed isn't really that strict unless you're a loony.
 
2013-01-21 11:09:32 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: OK, no new laws.

How about a shiatload of taxes instead.  We can fund universal health care with the money, including mental  health care.

You can still have your precious guns, and maybe some good will come of it for once.  And I mean actual good, not your bullshiat "stoppin' tyranny" and "fightin' the pig hordes"


So only the rich should be armed?
 
2013-01-21 11:12:10 AM  
First of all, they're called MAGAZINES, and not CLIPS. Would you call the accelerator pedal in your car a "gas" pedal? No, you would not. Calling it a "gas" pedal tells me that you don't get cars. You don't understand automobiles so you have no right to discuss them.

Second, it's not called S&M, it's called SM. Calling it S&M tells me that you don't get what the lifestyle is really about.

Finally, people in The Lifestyle don't call it "Wheel of Fortune". They call it "The Wheel". Calling it Wheel of Fortune tells me that you don't really get what The Wheel Lifestyle is really about.
 
2013-01-21 11:12:49 AM  
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Dad - if one of the four pillars of freedom is the freedom FROM fear, why are we hiding in this bunker - especially with Mom's flatulence issues?
 
2013-01-21 11:13:17 AM  
In November, Gallup also said Romney was going to win by a landslide. And that Teabaggers represent a majority of America.
 
2013-01-21 11:13:41 AM  
Phew! I was getting worried - it's coming up on noon here and there wasn't a gun thread.

Thanks subby!
 
2013-01-21 11:14:13 AM  

odinsposse: Lionel Mandrake: OK, no new laws.

How about a shiatload of taxes instead.  We can fund universal health care with the money, including mental  health care.

You can still have your precious guns, and maybe some good will come of it for once.  And I mean actual good, not your bullshiat "stoppin' tyranny" and "fightin' the pig hordes"

So only the rich should be armed?


Guns are like cigarettes to some people. Tax 'em to death and they'll still buy them. You know, cuz darkies, and stuff.
 
2013-01-21 11:15:59 AM  

Rapmaster2000: First of all, they're called MAGAZINES, and not CLIPS. Would you call the accelerator pedal in your car a "gas" pedal? No, you would not. Calling it a "gas" pedal tells me that you don't get cars. You don't understand automobiles so you have no right to discuss them.

Second, it's not called S&M, it's called SM. Calling it S&M tells me that you don't get what the lifestyle is really about.

Finally, people in The Lifestyle don't call it "Wheel of Fortune". They call it "The Wheel". Calling it Wheel of Fortune tells me that you don't really get what The Wheel Lifestyle is really about.


"Thank you", said no gun nut ever for you explaining their greatest means of deflection.
 
2013-01-21 11:16:01 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Also,

CNN/Time Poll



From the article you linked: "According to the survey, 56% support a ban on semi-automatic guns, but that's down from 62% in a CNN poll taken in the days after the shooting at Sandy Hook."

Apparently the author is an idiot or 56% of Americans have no idea what a semi-automatic weapon is.
 
2013-01-21 11:17:19 AM  
Finally. It's about time we opened up this topic for discussion on Fark.
 
2013-01-21 11:17:44 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Dusk-You-n-Me: Also,

CNN/Time Poll

From the article you linked: "According to the survey, 56% support a ban on semi-automatic guns, but that's down from 62% in a CNN poll taken in the days after the shooting at Sandy Hook."

Apparently the author is an idiot or 56% of Americans have no idea what a semi-automatic weapon is.


Or they do, and think they should be banned.
 
2013-01-21 11:19:12 AM  

coeyagi: Rapmaster2000: First of all, they're called MAGAZINES, and not CLIPS. Would you call the accelerator pedal in your car a "gas" pedal? No, you would not. Calling it a "gas" pedal tells me that you don't get cars. You don't understand automobiles so you have no right to discuss them.

Second, it's not called S&M, it's called SM. Calling it S&M tells me that you don't get what the lifestyle is really about.

Finally, people in The Lifestyle don't call it "Wheel of Fortune". They call it "The Wheel". Calling it Wheel of Fortune tells me that you don't really get what The Wheel Lifestyle is really about.

"Thank you", said no gun nut ever for you explaining their greatest means of deflection.


We prefer the term Gun Nerds. Gun Nuts could never rise to our level of pedantry.
 
2013-01-21 11:19:28 AM  
Gallup is the greatest polling group ever when it says what liberals want to hear. It is a bunch of corrupt terrible racist incompetents when it says things liberals do not want to hear.
 
2013-01-21 11:19:37 AM  

odinsposse: Lionel Mandrake: OK, no new laws.

How about a shiatload of taxes instead.  We can fund universal health care with the money, including mental  health care.

You can still have your precious guns, and maybe some good will come of it for once.  And I mean actual good, not your bullshiat "stoppin' tyranny" and "fightin' the pig hordes"

So only the rich should be armed?


Only the rich should be able to__________?

(Fill in the blank with anything that costs money.)
 
2013-01-21 11:20:51 AM  
92% in favor of universal background checks
65% in favor of ban on extended magazines

If you frame it as a vague "do you support gun control, yes or no" question, people probably tend to be more suspicious, but when you ask about specific policy proposals, the story changes quite a bit. Imagine that.
 
2013-01-21 11:22:17 AM  

Aaron Haynes: 92% in favor of universal background checks
65% in favor of ban on extended magazines

If you frame it as a vague "do you support gun control, yes or no" question, people probably tend to be more suspicious, but when you ask about specific policy proposals, the story changes quite a bit. Imagine that.


It's "Obamacare" all over again.
 
2013-01-21 11:23:09 AM  

beta_plus: Gallup is the greatest polling group ever when it says what liberals want to hear. It is a bunch of corrupt terrible racist incompetents when it says things liberals do not want to hear.


They should unskew it like Contards did.
 
2013-01-21 11:23:34 AM  
That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons. We need to marginalize people that fantasize about shooting our soldiers and policemen. We need to make it uncomfortable for someone to admit they "need an AR-15 to defend against tyranny" in public.

I think giving some gun nuts airtime has started that process. I think most of us are starting to treat those around us that admit to owning an arsenal the same way we treat the guy at work that's always telling racist jokes - it's old, it's out dated, and it's just sad and pathetic.
 
2013-01-21 11:27:30 AM  

SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons. We need to marginalize people that fantasize about shooting our soldiers and policemen. We need to make it uncomfortable for someone to admit they "need an AR-15 to defend against tyranny" in public.

I think giving some gun nuts airtime has started that process. I think most of us are starting to treat those around us that admit to owning an arsenal the same way we treat the guy at work that's always telling racist jokes - it's old, it's out dated, and it's just sad and pathetic.


Yes clearly ostracizing and alienating people with firearms is the smart thing to do.
 
2013-01-21 11:29:28 AM  
No new gun laws will be passed because Americans don't want them to be passed.

Suck it.
 
2013-01-21 11:30:00 AM  

cabbyman: No new gun laws will be passed because Americans don't want them to be passed.

Suck it.


Except for the ones they do want people to pass?
 
2013-01-21 11:30:35 AM  
Lionel Mandrake
How about a shiatload of taxes instead.

Only allowing rich people to have guns is sort of not what the founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment, methinks.
 
2013-01-21 11:31:04 AM  

SoupGuru: We need to marginalize people that fantasize about shooting our soldiers and policemen.


I'd like to keep the guns out of their hands before they go into any public places or school rooms again.
I'm against having the deranged able to arm themselves, but this had made me a pariah in my home state of West Virginia. Seriously though, I have been shunned by quite a few of my Boomer classmates and other folks over this issue.
Who knew that being against getting shot down in public like an animal to be slaughtered would make one unpopular?
 
2013-01-21 11:31:36 AM  

SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons.


Why? Because of your emotional feelings or something? Sorry, princess. Not gunna happen.
 
2013-01-21 11:33:37 AM  

beta_plus: Gallup is the greatest polling group ever when it says what liberals want to hear. It is a bunch of corrupt terrible racist incompetents when it says things liberals do not want to hear.


well...no.  all i'm saying that Gallup really failed when it came to calling the election.  i'm not sure they've fixed the errors in how they gather data either, nor have they done much in the way of reassuring the public that they've corrected their flawed methodology.
 
2013-01-21 11:33:40 AM  

LasersHurt: cabbyman: No new gun laws will be passed because Americans don't want them to be passed.

Suck it.

Except for the ones they do want people to pass?


Personally, I don't think sweeping bans, such as a renewed assault weapons ban, will pass. I can maybe see magazines restricted to 30 rounds.
 
2013-01-21 11:34:40 AM  
Or Republicans can stop sabotaging the ATF so that they can enforce existing laws.

You know, one of the things the GOP insists upon as an alternative to more laws.
 
2013-01-21 11:34:58 AM  

mrexcess: Lionel Mandrake
How about a shiatload of taxes instead.

Only allowing rich people to have guns is sort of not what the founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment, methinks.


Do you really want to go down the "what the Founding Fathers intended" road? It will only end poorly for you, if you're a gun nut.
 
2013-01-21 11:35:18 AM  
if you want to sell gun control to the loud derp squad you're gonna have to do it the same way regan did it. wink and nod that it's to take guns away from those dang negroes.
 
2013-01-21 11:35:46 AM  

Glenford: Phew! I was getting worried - it's coming up on noon here and there wasn't a gun thread.

Thanks subby!


Really. I'd like to see a poll showing how many people are tired of hearing the gun debate every damn day,
 
2013-01-21 11:35:52 AM  

GoldSpider: Or Republicans can stop sabotaging the ATF so that they can enforce existing laws.

You know, one of the things the GOP insists upon as an alternative to more laws.


To be fair, the ATF doesn't need Republicans to make them completely incompetent.
 
2013-01-21 11:36:13 AM  

Frank N Stein: SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons.

Why? Because of your emotional feelings or something? Sorry, princess. Not gunna happen.


oh I don't know.  a couple of reality TV shows, some changes in tax laws, a solid couple rounds of scholarly sounding editorials...followed up by a couple of humiliating police busts.  throw in some mocking commentary from new anchors and you've got yourself a shift in public opinion.  keep it up for a while and you'll turn that into a cultural shift.  advertising works.  its all in how you phrase things.
 
2013-01-21 11:36:26 AM  

SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons. We need to marginalize people that fantasize about shooting our soldiers and policemen. We need to make it uncomfortable for someone to admit they "need an AR-15 to defend against tyranny" in public.

I think giving some gun nuts airtime has started that process. I think most of us are starting to treat those around us that admit to owning an arsenal the same way we treat the guy at work that's always telling racist jokes - it's old, it's out dated, and it's just sad and pathetic.


Yeah, except you're the one telling racist jokes. You're demonizing and mocking gun owners as an attempt to marginalize them.
 
2013-01-21 11:38:27 AM  

mrexcess: Lionel Mandrake
How about a shiatload of taxes instead.

Only allowing rich people to have guns is sort of not what the founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment, methinks.


I, for one, don't know what the founders would want in 2012 America.

Well, nobody does, but I, for one, admit it.
 
2013-01-21 11:39:34 AM  

Weaver95: Frank N Stein: SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons.

Why? Because of your emotional feelings or something? Sorry, princess. Not gunna happen.

oh I don't know.  a couple of reality TV shows, some changes in tax laws, a solid couple rounds of scholarly sounding editorials...followed up by a couple of humiliating police busts.  throw in some mocking commentary from new anchors and you've got yourself a shift in public opinion.  keep it up for a while and you'll turn that into a cultural shift.  advertising works.  its all in how you phrase things.


I already think there's an attempt at a cultural shift in this regard. But there's plenty of push back from such nonsense.

Hell, at my school (Depaul U) there's a "peace studies" major. I have no idea what kind of bullshiat they learn, but I'm interested in finding out.
 
2013-01-21 11:39:53 AM  

coeyagi: mrexcess: Lionel Mandrake
How about a shiatload of taxes instead.

Only allowing rich people to have guns is sort of not what the founders had in mind with the 2nd Amendment, methinks.

Do you really want to go down the "what the Founding Fathers intended" road? It will only end poorly for you, if you're a gun nut.


The Founding Fathers knew that we need our firearms to prevent tyranny. Tyranny that will be enforced by the jackbooted troops. The same troops that forced us to pay taxes on whiskey. The same troops that rounded up the Japanese and put them into camps. What will you do when the troops come for you?

I'd like to ask those currently trumpeting their support for the troops a question: Have you ever actually met any of these soldiers in person? Well, I have, and believe me, they are no more impressive than any other low-level functionary of a large institution.

It is ridiculous that my "heart" is somehow morally or ethically obliged to "go out" to the troops. In fact, had the troops not been put to productive labor by the sheer might and institutional authority of the U.S. military, a good number of them would be sitting around bars, drinking and gambling. In short, we shouldn't view the troops as objects of sympathy, because their very contribution to our society is their ability to carry out simple commands on a battlefield.

That's why I oppose the troops: Tyranny.
 
2013-01-21 11:39:54 AM  

Frank N Stein: To be fair, the ATF doesn't need Republicans to make them completely incompetent.


It might help if they had a director.
 
2013-01-21 11:41:08 AM  

Frank N Stein: LasersHurt: cabbyman: No new gun laws will be passed because Americans don't want them to be passed.

Suck it.

Except for the ones they do want people to pass?

Personally, I don't think sweeping bans, such as a renewed assault weapons ban, will pass. I can maybe see magazines restricted to 30 rounds.


I'm not sure about the AWB either. Despite the support, it attracts a lot of lightning strikes.

Plus I honestly think if it passes, someone might go "I'll show them!" and shoot some people.
 
MFK
2013-01-21 11:41:29 AM  

SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons. We need to marginalize people that fantasize about shooting our soldiers and policemen. We need to make it uncomfortable for someone to admit they "need an AR-15 to defend against tyranny" in public.

I think giving some gun nuts airtime has started that process. I think most of us are starting to treat those around us that admit to owning an arsenal the same way we treat the guy at work that's always telling racist jokes - it's old, it's out dated, and it's just sad and pathetic.


Yeah, social attitudes have got to take the lead here if we are actually serious about change. Look at smoking, for example. There's something that folks were actually addicted to and in 10 years time, it's become extraordinarily rare compared to how it was even in the 90s.
 
2013-01-21 11:42:18 AM  

Frank N Stein: Weaver95: Frank N Stein: SoupGuru: That's encouraging. The thing this country needs is to break the gun culture. I don't know if any laws can really accomplish this. It has to be cultural shift. People need ostracize their neighbors for owning assault weapons.

Why? Because of your emotional feelings or something? Sorry, princess. Not gunna happen.

oh I don't know.  a couple of reality TV shows, some changes in tax laws, a solid couple rounds of scholarly sounding editorials...followed up by a couple of humiliating police busts.  throw in some mocking commentary from new anchors and you've got yourself a shift in public opinion.  keep it up for a while and you'll turn that into a cultural shift.  advertising works.  its all in how you phrase things.

I already think there's an attempt at a cultural shift in this regard. But there's plenty of push back from such nonsense.

Hell, at my school (Depaul U) there's a "peace studies" major. I have no idea what kind of bullshiat they learn, but I'm interested in finding out.


http://las.depaul.edu/pax/Courses/CourseSchedules/index.asp

Go nuts. Doesn't look particularly interesting to me except the Human Rights class  and Analyzing poverty class.
 
2013-01-21 11:43:34 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That's why I oppose the troops: Tyranny.


I get that you're trying to create a conflicting, non-conciliatory view between a standing army and the 2nd amendment. But I suppose this is a logical view, so I'll treat it as it is in fact your view on the issue.
 
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