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(Daily Mail)   All non-fiction Lance Armstrong titles, including Lance Armstrong: Images Of A Champion, The Lance Armstrong Performance Program and Lance Armstrong: World's Greatest Champion, will soon be moved to the fiction section   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 31
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2013-01-21 09:26:53 AM
Can we stop taking about this clown already please? Thank you.
 
2013-01-21 09:48:34 AM

gopher321: Can we stop taking about this clown already please? Thank you.


Ordinarily I'd agree, but Lance truly deserves to have his name and his legacy completely dragged through piss and sh*t.

And back again.
 
2013-01-21 09:49:45 AM
He still won on a relatively even playing field.

The part that makes him awful was that he saw it fit to try to destroy people over it.
 
2013-01-21 09:50:54 AM
There's a Manly Library in Australia? Aren't all of Australia's libraries manly by definition?
 
2013-01-21 09:55:41 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: There's a Manly Library in Australia? Aren't all of Australia's libraries manly by definition?


Or criminal.
 
2013-01-21 10:05:57 AM

Rev.K: gopher321: Can we stop taking about this clown already please? Thank you.

Ordinarily I'd agree, but Lance truly deserves to have his name and his legacy completely dragged through piss and sh*t.

And back again.


Agreed.
 
2013-01-21 10:07:08 AM
Hopefully the various holy books are also shelved in fiction.
 
2013-01-21 10:07:19 AM
Who cares?
 
2013-01-21 10:09:12 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: There's a Manly Library in Australia? Aren't all of Australia's libraries manly by definition?


just gotta wonder if the beer flows in those libraries

/and the men chunder
 
2013-01-21 10:14:23 AM
KiwDaWabbit

He still won on a relatively even playing field.

No, he f*cking didn't. Are you on crack? His team and Ferrari had taken cheating to a level no one else could touch because they had the money to do it. You need doctors and testing equipment and specialists which costs piles of f*cking money. Saying stupid sh*t like it was even remotely fair to the "paniagua" athletes is an insult to them. Yes there were clean riders, they have a f*cking name....

The part that makes him awful was that he saw it fit to try to destroy people over it.

Yes, he is a sociopath.


Dear Lance

Apologize, especially to Simeoni. Then go f*ck yourself.

Sincerely

NAR
 
2013-01-21 10:14:52 AM
Also moving "The Lance Armstrong Performance Program" to fiction is pretty stupid since the book is mostly how to select the right size bike, biking basics (like braking and turning) and develop a training program.
 
2013-01-21 10:17:35 AM
It's about a bicycle, shouldn't it be in the young reader section?
 
2013-01-21 10:31:53 AM

New Age Redneck: KiwDaWabbit

He still won on a relatively even playing field.

No, he f*cking didn't. Are you on crack? His team and Ferrari had taken cheating to a level no one else could touch because they had the money to do it. You need doctors and testing equipment and specialists which costs piles of f*cking money. Saying stupid sh*t like it was even remotely fair to the "paniagua" athletes is an insult to them. Yes there were clean riders, they have a f*cking name....


I never said it was fair to clean riders, but what I was saying is that it seems like there were not many 100% clean riders. I'm not saying anything remotely close to "Lance would have still won seven Tours in a row if everyone were clean." I'm saying it was a dirty sport. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

From Wikipedia: Professional bicycle racers who were clients, in some capacity, of Ferrari include: Lance Armstrong, Alessandro Bertolini, Gianluca Bortolami, Gianni Bugno, Mario Cipollini, Claudio Chiappucci, Armand de Las Cuevas, Fernando Escartín, Gianni Faresin, Giorgio Furlan, Ivan Gotti, Andreas Kappes, Kevin Livingston, Eddy Mazzoleni, Axel Merckx, Thomas Dekker, Abraham Olano, Daniele Pontoni, Tony Rominger, Paolo Savoldelli, Filippo Simeoni, Pavel Tonkov, Enrico Zaina and Beat Zberg.

That's a pretty long list.
 
2013-01-21 10:32:05 AM

BowtoMogul: Olympic Trolling Judge: There's a Manly Library in Australia? Aren't all of Australia's libraries manly by definition?

Or criminal.


Or poisonous.
 
2013-01-21 10:54:29 AM
Can we just burn this witch at the stake and be done with it?
 
2013-01-21 10:59:19 AM

New Age Redneck: KiwDaWabbit

He still won on a relatively even playing field.

No, he f*cking didn't. Are you on crack? His team and Ferrari had taken cheating to a level no one else could touch because they had the money to do it. You need doctors and testing equipment and specialists which costs piles of f*cking money. Saying stupid sh*t like it was even remotely fair to the "paniagua" athletes is an insult to them. Yes there were clean riders, they have a f*cking name....


I remember reading somewhere that the reason they aren't awarding the 7 tour-de-france titles to anyone when they stripped them from Lance was because they were having a really hard time finding people even in the top 10 riders from each year who hadn't failed a drug test.
 
2013-01-21 11:17:05 AM

gopher321: Can we stop taking about this clown already please? Thank you.


So says the first person to talk about him in this thread.
 
2013-01-21 11:17:43 AM

Driedsponge: I remember reading somewhere that the reason they aren't awarding the 7 tour-de-france titles to anyone when they stripped them from Lance was because they were having a really hard time finding people even in the top 10 riders from each year who hadn't failed a drug test.


Yeah, for all intents and purposes, those races basically didn't happen. Of course, they did, and Lance won, albiet not legitimately. "Vacating" overall is such a dumb notion. You can take away medals and trophies, but you can't change the way shiat actually went down.
 
2013-01-21 11:19:51 AM
Driedsponge

I remember reading somewhere that the reason they aren't awarding the 7 tour-de-france titles to anyone when they stripped them from Lance was because they were having a really hard time finding people even in the top 10 riders from each year who hadn't failed a drug test.


You have to take into consideration that most, if not all, the clean riders were domestiques. They didn't need to dope to do their job and they have no chance at the Yellow Jersey so what would their motivation be? I don't think every team was like the USPS and FORCED their domestiques into the doping program.

KiwDaWabbit

I never said it was fair to clean riders, but what I was saying is that it seems like there were not many 100% clean riders. I'm not saying anything remotely close to "Lance would have still won seven Tours in a row if everyone were clean." I'm saying it was a dirty sport. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

I completely agree it was a dirty sport. That said, there were many clean riders. Look up "paniagua".

Using an argument like "Marion Jones doped thus EVERY Olympic athlete doped" offends my sensibilities. It is untrue. See above comment.
 
2013-01-21 11:26:07 AM

New Age Redneck: Using an argument like "Marion Jones doped thus EVERY Olympic athlete doped" offends my sensibilities. It is untrue. See above comment.


My argument was nothing like that, though. There's no proof that every Olympic athlete doped.

There's lots of proof that doping was endemic in cycling.
 
2013-01-21 11:59:53 AM
KiwDaWabbit


There's lots of proof that doping was endemic in cycling.

Sure. There were plenty of clean riders as well. The "relatively level playing field" thing is bullsh*t. Any athlete who could afford Ferrari's services had an unfair advantage, and could easily evade testing.

You seem to be an expert on cycling; why would a domestique risk doping when he doesn't need it to perform his job on the team and he has no chance at a Yellow Jersey? What possible motivation would he have?
 
2013-01-21 12:15:02 PM
I never said that I was an expert on cycling and you answered your own question.

Domestiques are not actually competing to win individually. So if I misspoke with the phrase "relatively level playing field", so be it.
 
2013-01-21 12:16:31 PM

New Age Redneck: KiwDaWabbit


There's lots of proof that doping was endemic in cycling.

Sure. There were plenty of clean riders as well. The "relatively level playing field" thing is bullsh*t. Any athlete who could afford Ferrari's services had an unfair advantage, and could easily evade testing.

You seem to be an expert on cycling; why would a domestique risk doping when he doesn't need it to perform his job on the team and he has no chance at a Yellow Jersey? What possible motivation would he have?


You don't have to dope to race you have to dope to win. There are a few good books/articles about the doping culture i cycling and in Olympic sports. The Doping Devil and "Tainted Glory - Doping and Athletic Performance" are two good starting points if you are curious how endemic doping is in cycling and high level athletics.

You don't hear much about how common doping is in American media because people still want to believe if you work hard and train fair you have a chance of being a world champion. That just isn't the case for the majority of sports anymore.
 
2013-01-21 12:23:02 PM

Carth: You don't have to dope to race you have to dope to win.


Well said.

I guess when I think of "playing field" or "field of competition", I am operating under the assumption that they are playing to win.
 
2013-01-21 12:56:56 PM

New Age Redneck: KiwDaWabbit


There's lots of proof that doping was endemic in cycling.

Sure. There were plenty of clean riders as well. The "relatively level playing field" thing is bullsh*t. Any athlete who could afford Ferrari's services had an unfair advantage, and could easily evade testing.

You seem to be an expert on cycling; why would a domestique risk doping when he doesn't need it to perform his job on the team and he has no chance at a Yellow Jersey? What possible motivation would he have?


Anyone riding in the TdF was doping.
 
2013-01-21 01:43:37 PM
I would say they did not drop the ball, that Manly Library.
 
2013-01-21 02:05:01 PM

Driedsponge: I remember reading somewhere that the reason they aren't awarding the 7 tour-de-france titles to anyone when they stripped them from Lance was because they were having a really hard time finding people even in the top 10 riders from each year who hadn't failed a drug test.


Bradley Wiggins said he heard they had to go down to 5th place: video (around the 2:40 mark)
 
2013-01-21 02:05:40 PM

Rev.K: gopher321: Can we stop taking about this clown already please? Thank you.

Ordinarily I'd agree, but Lance truly deserves to have his name and his legacy completely dragged through piss and sh*t.

And back again.


I agree, he is a stain on his sport..his very clean and fair sport...
 
2013-01-21 02:24:32 PM
I have been having fun with this situation. In fact, I made a Lie Strong fb page to post all the Lance funnies I have found or made. Since there is a sever lack of Lance images in this thread, let me get it going with some pics from my page.

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2013-01-21 02:34:31 PM
media1.break.com
 
2013-01-21 06:41:05 PM
Um, his confession does not change the titles from non-fiction to fiction. I am extremely disappointed that this library does not understand basic media cataloging. Or they are just as big of AWs as Lance is.
 
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