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2013-01-21 09:57:37 AM  
That was pretty much what I thought it would be.  But at least it wasn't  Vernor Vinge and Robert Silverberg or similar...
 
2013-01-21 11:02:46 AM  
As long as it doesn't feature half-naked science fiction fans, I'm OK with it.
 
2013-01-21 11:08:27 AM  
See androids fighting Brad and Janet.
 
2013-01-21 11:15:28 AM  
I was so afraid it would be Vinge, Silverberg, and Martin. Still bad but could have been so much worse...
 
2013-01-21 11:19:27 AM  
Ha. That's cute, actually.
 
2013-01-21 11:28:41 AM  
Not clicking that link, subby.
No.
Way.

/Not even with TPOC's mouse.
 
2013-01-21 11:32:20 AM  
When I thought of science fiction writers I thought of these two guys.
Neither of which paints a pretty mind picture, half naked or otherwise.

i877.photobucket.com
i877.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-21 11:43:07 AM  
Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.
 
2013-01-21 11:52:54 AM  

No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.


Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.
 
2013-01-21 11:53:43 AM  
came for Ursula Le Guin....
 
2013-01-21 11:54:22 AM  

No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.


I'm a real-life female and I never found any of Heinlein's stuff sexist. Curious to hear why you think it was.
 
2013-01-21 12:04:10 PM  
Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.

If they had women of the same BMI as the authors do it, it would still be gross.
 
2013-01-21 12:07:27 PM  

mr0x: Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.

If they had women of the same BMI as the authors do it, it would still be gross.


Maybe change the outfits a little bit too.  That semi-transparent tube top, not really going to work on any dudes.
 
2013-01-21 12:09:40 PM  
Naked Isaac Asimov
www.drawbones.com
 
2013-01-21 12:10:34 PM  
ZZZ worthy at best
 
2013-01-21 12:14:26 PM  

VenomousDuck:
I'm a real-life female and I never found any of Heinlein's stuff sexist. Curious to hear why you think it was.


I think it has something to do with his obsession later in life creating older male characters who held large households of women in economic and sexual servitude. Including his own relatives.

While I'm sure the actual relationships were technically more of an imagined libertarian ideal the results are still the same. Not that I give a shiat either way.

No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.


Yeah that shiat was pretty over the top. It's nice to see covers have moved on to actual style and storytelling. In the past it was just whatever Boris or Frazetta painting they could fit on there. Now the actual book itself and it's standing within the readership is used to create fantastic covers. Good ones anyway. Of course there is still plenty of schlock.
 
2013-01-21 12:33:10 PM  
Just be glad it doesn't feature George R. R. Martin

/also could you write and write faster, you're not getting any younger you know...
 
2013-01-21 12:34:31 PM  
Well, if we really want to talk about sexism... lets talk about the fact that the guys on this cover can look like utter shiat and that's accepted as normal. But if women appeared on the cover of the book in the same "looks class" as them, it would be totally laughable.

Jeezus, couldn't these guys atleast get a little sunlight and some exercise? Barf.
 
2013-01-21 12:38:01 PM  

No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.


There's... there's a foundation beefcake/cheesecake cover?

I can't even wrap my mind around that one. Is it a photo of a macroeconomics textbook wrapped in a thong or something?
 
2013-01-21 12:40:07 PM  

mr0x: Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.

If they had women of the same BMI as the authors do it, it would still be gross.


I think you have missed the point.
 
2013-01-21 12:45:18 PM  

'Tis said in the article, somewhat non-PC fotos for a worthy cause. Not shopped for boox lately, will watch out for Young Flandry & hope it's not a re-hash of Ensign Flandry. Have most of the rest of those between us.
This is cover by Michael Whelan for A Stone in Heaven c1979, aging if not quite aged Flandry.

i.imgur.com

 
2013-01-21 01:04:02 PM  
The funny thing is, Rothfuss also participated in this nice piece of gender equity. (Though in fairness he said he preferred a 50/50 M/F balance but the artist didn't want to. And it was for a good cause, that old excuse.)
 
2013-01-21 01:30:38 PM  

mr0x: Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.


Ahem:

www.comicsbeat.com
www.comicsbeat.com

Yeah, no sexism at all in the stupid posing of the characters. It's only about body shape.
 
2013-01-21 01:40:03 PM  

Son of Thunder: mr0x: Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.

Ahem:

[www.comicsbeat.com image 500x372]
[www.comicsbeat.com image 500x387]

Yeah, no sexism at all in the stupid posing of the characters. It's only about body shape.


You want them to just leave that flank unguarded?
Iron Man isn't exactly doing his job, but that's what you get when you put an alcoholic on a superhero team.
 
2013-01-21 01:50:20 PM  

Son of Thunder: mr0x: Gah, the problem is the obesity not the gender.

Gender flipped but with male models of the same age/body fat percentage(BMI) would be interesting.

Ahem:

[www.comicsbeat.com image 500x372]
[www.comicsbeat.com image 500x387]

Yeah, no sexism at all in the stupid posing of the characters. It's only about body shape.


Honestly, that little bit would have been better if, you know, Black Widow was in a pose similar to any of the ones they put the men in, instead just standing in 3/4 profile away from the camera.
 
2013-01-21 01:51:21 PM  
You know what's really sexist? Greek pottery portrayals

images.perseus.tufts.edu

Look it's a woman being subservient to a man. How sexist.
 
2013-01-21 01:56:00 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You know what's really sexist? Greek pottery portrayals

[images.perseus.tufts.edu image 569x900]

Look it's a woman being subservient to a man. How sexist.


Not nearly as sexist as the Minoan pottery portrayals, you know, the women with their boobs out...
 
2013-01-21 01:56:27 PM  

meanmutton:
Honestly, that little bit would have been better if, you know, Black Widow was in a pose similar to any of the ones they put the men in, instead just standing in 3/4 profile away from the camera.


Compare Black Widow in the first image to Iron Man in the second image.
 
2013-01-21 02:05:59 PM  

aerojockey: The funny thing is, Rothfuss also participated in this nice piece of gender equity. (Though in fairness he said he preferred a 50/50 M/F balance but the artist didn't want to. And it was for a good cause, that old excuse.)


When the "fictional classic literature figures as pinup calendar" thing first came out, my girlfriend thought that was the coolest thing ever. We want to hang one somewhere in the house.
 
2013-01-21 02:07:08 PM  
That's some silly white-knighting there.
 
2013-01-21 02:11:25 PM  
Jim_Callahan:
There's... there's a foundation beefcake/cheesecake cover?

I can't even wrap my mind around that one.


OK I kind of made that up, heh. But a lot of books with minimal sexy time content have had pretty sexed-up cover art. Or just wildly off-plot, but that's another problem.

give me doughnuts:
Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.

I've been reading SF since you were were prostituting yourself in the classy bars. I would have said "your mom" there, but that would be sexist.

VenomousDuck:
I'm a real-life female and I never found any of Heinlein's stuff sexist. Curious to hear why you think it was.

So, I wouldn't call Heinlein "misogynist"... many of his female characters are in fact very competent professionals in multiple fields, which was a big improvement over the gormless child-women populating much Golden Age SF. The downside is that a major part of their appearance in the plot seems to be for the sexual availability of the male protagonist (or in some cases, antagonists, *cough* "Friday" *cough*). To my male, but aspiring-feminist, eye it's kind of a somewhat benign swinging-60's old guy kind of sexism, but sexism nonetheless.  I don't think he was a bad guy or anything, for example his line-marriage polyamory concept outlined in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was pretty gender-egalitarian.
 
2013-01-21 02:15:50 PM  
Arthur C. Clarke would have attended, but he was feeling a little Sikh.

/and also is dead.
 
2013-01-21 02:17:33 PM  

No Such Agency: I don't think he was a bad guy or anything, for example his line-marriage polyamory concept outlined in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was pretty gender-egalitarian.


There was that little "Oooh, teeheehee, a stranger just pinched my ass" bit with Wyoh that honestly made me roll my eyes. But really, they're farking SF novels from way back. Who cares.

/chick
 
2013-01-21 02:26:35 PM  
CapeFearCadaver:
they're farking SF novels from way back. Who cares.

A pretty good point, except that in some ways not a hell of a lot has changed in fandom since then.

/dude
/FIJAGH
 
2013-01-21 02:34:06 PM  

Son of Thunder: Yeah, no sexism at all in the stupid posing of the characters. It's only about body shape.


I agree completely, it's terrible. Notice how all the male characters, save Stark, is displaying their crotch to the camera in a show of objectified masculine virility? I mean, c'mon, look at Hawkeye's stance or Thor smashing Mjölnir down like some sort of electrified third leg. Then you look at Stark; he's not made entirely out of muscles. That's because Stark's asset is a brilliant intellect rather being a slab of meat and for that reason, they pose him in a less masculine way; as if he's not a real man because he doesn't fit with their superficial objectification of the male body.
 
2013-01-21 02:54:58 PM  

dbirchall: Because People in power are Stupid: You know what's really sexist? Greek pottery portrayals

[images.perseus.tufts.edu image 569x900]

Look it's a woman being subservient to a man. How sexist.

Not nearly as sexist as the Minoan pottery portrayals, you know, the women with their boobs out...


Looking for that fap material but all I'm getting is house Greyjoy
ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-21 02:55:50 PM  

No Such Agency: Jim_Callahan:
There's... there's a foundation beefcake/cheesecake cover?

I can't even wrap my mind around that one.

OK I kind of made that up, heh. But a lot of books with minimal sexy time content have had pretty sexed-up cover art. Or just wildly off-plot, but that's another problem.

give me doughnuts:
Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.

I've been reading SF since you were were prostituting yourself in the classy bars. I would have said "your mom" there, but that would be sexist.

VenomousDuck:
I'm a real-life female and I never found any of Heinlein's stuff sexist. Curious to hear why you think it was.

So, I wouldn't call Heinlein "misogynist"... many of his female characters are in fact very competent professionals in multiple fields, which was a big improvement over the gormless child-women populating much Golden Age SF. The downside is that a major part of their appearance in the plot seems to be for the sexual availability of the male protagonist (or in some cases, antagonists, *cough* "Friday" *cough*). To my male, but aspiring-feminist, eye it's kind of a somewhat benign swinging-60's old guy kind of sexism, but sexism nonetheless.  I don't think he was a bad guy or anything, for example his line-marriage polyamory concept outlined in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was pretty gender-egalitarian.


Really? That's what you got from Friday?

Pathetic.
 
2013-01-21 03:19:43 PM  

KellyX: Just be glad it doesn't feature George R. R. Martin


If it did, it would be a 1,000 page foldout that never actually delivers a picture to you.
 
2013-01-21 03:45:44 PM  

give me doughnuts: No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.

Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.


Clearly you never read Farnham's Freehold. He was a product of his generation.
 
2013-01-21 05:11:55 PM  

give me doughnuts: No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.

Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.


I understand you're trying to be condescending and clever, but considering how homophobic and misogynistic Heinlein was (at least by modern standards), you just sound defensive and dumb saying that.

/Well, not so much "dumb" as very defensive and in denial, really.
//Maybe he was progressive for his time, but time marches on.
 
2013-01-21 05:33:12 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Well, if we really want to talk about sexism... lets talk about the fact that the guys on this cover can look like utter shiat and that's accepted as normal. But if women appeared on the cover of the book in the same "looks class" as them, it would be totally laughable.

Jeezus, couldn't these guys atleast get a little sunlight and some exercise? Barf.


Yes; the problem is clearly that we don't socially pressure men into trying to live up to unrealistic standards of beauty. Middle aged science fiction writers should all look like Greek statues.
 
2013-01-21 05:43:13 PM  

Piestar: give me doughnuts: No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.

Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.

Clearly you never read Farnham's Freehold. He was a product of his generation.


One out of three female main characters was a booze-addled housewife. The other two were strong independent women.

ciberido: give me doughnuts: No Such Agency: Awesome. Even as a horny teenager I was super embarrassed by some of the over-the-top cheesecake covers on some otherwise pretty decent books. I mean you expect Heinlein's "Friday" (or really, any of his other sexist crap) to have a female sex object cover... but "Foundation"? Sheesh.

Also, the Nerf gun was an excellent choice here, I feel.

Eventually, you will learn to read, and then you will realize that Heinlein wasn't sexist.

I understand you're trying to be condescending and clever, but considering how homophobic and misogynistic Heinlein was (at least by modern standards), you just sound defensive and dumb saying that.

/Well, not so much "dumb" as very defensive and in denial, really.
//Maybe he was progressive for his time, but time marches on.


Since it is unlikely you've read a word the man wrote, you're opinion is worth it;s weight in gold.
 
2013-01-21 05:45:10 PM  

Son of Thunder: Yeah, no sexism at all in the stupid posing of the characters. It's only about body shape.


Scarlett's ass is a national icon. Its about respect.
Respect your icons.
 
2013-01-21 05:48:08 PM  
img526.imageshack.us

My sister. The main reason the covers of SF novels have changed so dramatically over the past two decades. She banished (almost) the boobs and brought in the brains.
 
2013-01-21 06:00:18 PM  

T.M.S.: My sister. The main reason the covers of SF novels have changed so dramatically over the past two decades. She banished (almost) the boobs and brought in the braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains.

 
2013-01-21 06:17:04 PM  

give me doughnuts:
Really? That's what you got from Friday?

Pathetic.


Yep. Really, REALLY defensive.
 
2013-01-21 06:19:33 PM  

give me doughnuts: Since it is unlikely you've read a word the man wrote, you're opinion is worth it;s weight in gold.


Kid, I was a Heinlein fan before you were even born.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
2013-01-21 06:19:46 PM  

ciberido: give me doughnuts:
Really? That's what you got from Friday?

Pathetic.

Yep. Really, REALLY defensive.


Go read the book.
 
2013-01-21 06:21:15 PM  

ObscureNameHere: KellyX: Just be glad it doesn't feature George R. R. Martin


If it did, it would be a 1,000 page foldout that never actually delivers a picture to you.


HA!
 
2013-01-21 06:21:31 PM  

ciberido: give me doughnuts: Since it is unlikely you've read a word the man wrote, you're opinion is worth it;s weight in gold.

Kid, I was a Heinlein fan before you were even born.

Stop embarrassing yourself.


You keep spouting those uninformed opinions, and you think I'm embarrassing myself?
Go read the books.
 
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