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(The Sun)   Benedict Cumberbatch loves his snug Starfleet uniform. "You can almost see what religion I am"   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 39
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2013-01-21 04:59:20 AM  
5 votes:

HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.


As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.
2013-01-21 02:38:22 PM  
3 votes:

Norfolking Chance: Bungles: BigLuca: Bungles:
It's arguably far less of a thing to remove the breasts, as they only have a purpose during breastfeeding, which in itself is optional. A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.

Also, the death rate from all forms of penile cancer (even the type circumcision wouldn't prevent) is about 200 per year. The death rate for women by breast cancer is about 40,000 per year. Yet nobody is seriously debating routine breast removal. Hell, routine removal of breast tissue in men would save about the same number -- 200 men die of breast cancer per year. Lets do that instead.

The only reason we still circumcise is because of cultural inertia. I think it is an anachronism that will eventually be discarded.

I'm British, and I have to say that we view the American circumcision fetish as.,.. odd. Anyone in the UK who was circumcised would be presumed Jewish, No-one would even really consider it as something anyone would do outside religion.

Yeh as a Brit it amazes me that something with so little medical benefit is defended so vehemently yet other things that would actually make a statistical impact on death rates are seen as unacceptable.


Yes, well, the easiest way to prevent abortion is the pill, yet for some reason the pill is suddenly a Very Bad Thing. You'd think the anti-abortion folks would do the math and see that the pill (and other bc) greatly reduces unwanted pregnancies, but no, we now have abstinence-only education.
2013-01-21 09:10:53 AM  
3 votes:
Benedict Cumberbatch and Matt Smith have the same physical trait in common that they can look really weird one moment and totally hot the next.

However, they both look fabulous here:

24.media.tumblr.com
2013-01-21 06:43:45 PM  
2 votes:

greenlady1: He can cumber my batch anytime....

For reals though, Sherlock is a fantastic show. More of a mini-series. 2 seasons, 3 hour and a half episodes. I highly recommend it.


" Anderson, every time you open your mouth the IQ of the room drops."
2013-01-21 03:44:17 PM  
2 votes:

Bungles: his comment on that only makes sense to those non-Americans because circumcision is generally only practiced by the Jews in 95% of the West?


Why does everyone always think this is an american thing? There are plenty of countries that have rates of circumcisions as high, or higher, than america. Most middle eastern counties average about 95%. It's also very popular in Australia, South America, Korea, Africa, Canada as well as many smaller countries. Basically it's not popular in Europe, how that translates into it being an American only thing is beyond me.
2013-01-21 12:41:13 PM  
2 votes:

e lo: I'll just leave this here, in case anybody actually cares about the science of circumcision, rather than just hand waving and opinion-trumpeting:

Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men


Are newborns routinely engaging in so much sex that they need to be worried about HIV?

If you choose to get circumcised once you reach the age of majority, go nuts! Just don't force it on utterly helpless infants who have no say in what's being done to them.
2013-01-21 12:03:05 PM  
2 votes:

Bungles:
It's arguably far less of a thing to remove the breasts, as they only have a purpose during breastfeeding, which in itself is optional. A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.


Also, the death rate from all forms of penile cancer (even the type circumcision wouldn't prevent) is about 200 per year. The death rate for women by breast cancer is about 40,000 per year. Yet nobody is seriously debating routine breast removal. Hell, routine removal of breast tissue in men would save about the same number -- 200 men die of breast cancer per year. Lets do that instead.

The only reason we still circumcise is because of cultural inertia. I think it is an anachronism that will eventually be discarded.
2013-01-21 10:27:20 AM  
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: entropic_existence: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bob Down: HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.

As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.

Washing doesn't prevent cancer of the penis and stds including aids.

Circumsision doesn't prevent it either, it merely lowers your risk factor. By a pretty sizable percentage points, but double-digit reductions in extremely small percentages results in fairly small reductions. As in, it isn't enough for it to be much of a factor overall.

That and neither of those reasons is why it is so prevalent in the US, where it has been that way for decades and those are both fairly recent findings.

Anything that's is cheap, simple and makes condom usage more effective should be done. I doubt I'm missing anything not have a foreskin.



Of course you are. For the uncircumcised, the idea of an unclad bellend bouncing around in your trousers is painful to the point of horror. Like a more unpleasant version of scrubbing the inside of your mouth with cotton tissues in perpetuity..

That indeed suggests that the nature of the skin is fundamentally changed.

It's like arguing that babies should have their fingernails removed to reduce the chance of them harbouring bacteria under tham.
2013-01-21 09:53:21 AM  
2 votes:
What a "psychological terrorist" might look like.

wherethelongtailends.com
2013-01-21 06:25:21 AM  
2 votes:

brainlordmesomorph: ROBIN WILLIAMS MADE THAT JOKE IN 1982!


Borscht Belt comedians made that joke in the 40's and 50's.
Shakespeare made that joke at the Globe Theatre.
The well-known stand-up philosopher Comicus made that joke working the main room at The Palace.
blogs.amctv.com

What I'm getting at is old joke, is old.
2013-01-21 05:13:20 AM  
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: log_jammin: why have I not heard the name "Benedict Cumberbatch" before and why am I, apparently, the only one who finds it so amusing?

I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of him before now. Amongst other things, he's the star of the British TV series Sherlock.


Which rocks.
2013-01-21 04:00:18 AM  
2 votes:

log_jammin: why have I not heard the name "Benedict Cumberbatch" before and why am I, apparently, the only one who finds it so amusing?


Because its the most British name ever.

/his full name is Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch
2013-01-21 10:13:06 PM  
1 votes:
I don't care if it's natural, I'm glad I was circumcized. Probably one of the best things that ever happened to me in a hospital. I'd be disgusted with myself otherwise.
2013-01-21 04:41:28 PM  
1 votes:
Uncircumcised penises are seriously creepy and are like something you see in a dog. If I was a chick I'd run screaming from the room if someone pulled out one of those dog penises on me. Gross.
2013-01-21 03:40:22 PM  
1 votes:

BigLuca: bborchar: Even the doctor called us "progressive" when we told him no to the circumcision. It's like formula feeding- there's still a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there, and people often feel pressured because everyone else does it.

/oh, can't wait to see BC in Star Trek
/also can't wait to see him as a dragon, too

What are people saying about formula feeding nowadays?


It makes your kids gay.
2013-01-21 03:24:01 PM  
1 votes:
WhippingBoy TheHopeDiamond: That guy is seriously, deeply, unattractive and creepy-looking.

You should see his junk.


Forget his junk. Have you seen his knees???
Not a Cumberbiatch (hah, great expression!), but can appreciate that he has gorgeous eyes.
2013-01-21 03:23:35 PM  
1 votes:

Bungles: SultanofSchwing: I was going to make a snappy remark or express my excitement for this film, but it looks like the circumcision and anti-circumcision crazies have taken over for no goddamn reason.


Because it's a story about how the tightness of Starfleet uniforms mean that you can tell if a gent has a foreskin of not, and that his comment on that only makes sense to those non-Americans because circumcision is generally only practiced by the Jews in 95% of the West?

Of all the threads, this seems like a perfect locale for circumcision discussion.


Or a Star Trek discussion...
2013-01-21 03:14:04 PM  
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: WhippingBoy: e lo: I'll just leave this here, in case anybody actually cares about the science of circumcision, rather than just hand waving and opinion-trumpeting:

Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men

Are newborns routinely engaging in so much sex that they need to be worried about HIV?

If you choose to get circumcised once you reach the age of majority, go nuts! Just don't force it on utterly helpless infants who have no say in what's being done to them.

I was circumcised as an infant and it doesn't bother me one bit. It's not like I remember it, nor does anyone else who had it done as an infant.



I suspect that people born with any form of disability often feel the same way, because they have no point of comparison.
2013-01-21 03:05:27 PM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: e lo: I'll just leave this here, in case anybody actually cares about the science of circumcision, rather than just hand waving and opinion-trumpeting:

Male circumcision for prevention of heterosexual acquisition of HIV in men

Are newborns routinely engaging in so much sex that they need to be worried about HIV?

If you choose to get circumcised once you reach the age of majority, go nuts! Just don't force it on utterly helpless infants who have no say in what's being done to them.


I was circumcised as an infant and it doesn't bother me one bit. It's not like I remember it, nor does anyone else who had it done as an infant.
2013-01-21 03:02:41 PM  
1 votes:

BigLuca: Bungles:
It's arguably far less of a thing to remove the breasts, as they only have a purpose during breastfeeding, which in itself is optional. A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.

Also, the death rate from all forms of penile cancer (even the type circumcision wouldn't prevent) is about 200 per year. The death rate for women by breast cancer is about 40,000 per year. Yet nobody is seriously debating routine breast removal. Hell, routine removal of breast tissue in men would save about the same number -- 200 men die of breast cancer per year. Lets do that instead.

The only reason we still circumcise is because of cultural inertia. I think it is an anachronism that will eventually be discarded.


When we were expecting our son, we decided against it, as we couldn't come up with any compelling reason to do so. My family was not happy, and kept referencing outdated and debunked medical evidence. We still didn't, and haven't regretted that decision at all, which I know wouldn't have been the case otherwise. Even the doctor called us "progressive" when we told him no to the circumcision. It's like formula feeding- there's still a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation out there, and people often feel pressured because everyone else does it.

/oh, can't wait to see BC in Star Trek
/also can't wait to see him as a dragon, too
2013-01-21 02:03:45 PM  
1 votes:

Bungles: BigLuca: Bungles:
It's arguably far less of a thing to remove the breasts, as they only have a purpose during breastfeeding, which in itself is optional. A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.

Also, the death rate from all forms of penile cancer (even the type circumcision wouldn't prevent) is about 200 per year. The death rate for women by breast cancer is about 40,000 per year. Yet nobody is seriously debating routine breast removal. Hell, routine removal of breast tissue in men would save about the same number -- 200 men die of breast cancer per year. Lets do that instead.

The only reason we still circumcise is because of cultural inertia. I think it is an anachronism that will eventually be discarded.

I'm British, and I have to say that we view the American circumcision fetish as.,.. odd. Anyone in the UK who was circumcised would be presumed Jewish, No-one would even really consider it as something anyone would do outside religion.


Yeh as a Brit it amazes me that something with so little medical benefit is defended so vehemently yet other things that would actually make a statistical impact on death rates are seen as unacceptable.
2013-01-21 11:44:27 AM  
1 votes:

MorrisBird: Bathia_Mapes: log_jammin: why have I not heard the name "Benedict Cumberbatch" before and why am I, apparently, the only one who finds it so amusing?

I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of him before now. Amongst other things, he's the star of the British TV series Sherlock.

Which rocks.


And won't be back on air until next September! Gah!!!
2013-01-21 11:40:36 AM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy:
I think the point he was trying to make is that we shouldn't be modifying people's bodies without their consent, and that claiming that circumcision "should" (presumably to infants who are utterly unable to give consent) is bone-chillingly scary.


Yep, what he said. If you weigh the ethical consideration versus the health benefits the facts weigh pretty heavily against circumcision. The American Academy of Pediatrics stopped recommending it in 1999. Yes, it does dramatically lower the risk of penile cancer, but that is a rare cancer in the first place, and secondly it is usually caused by HPV and if/when boys are routinely vaccinated against HPV it should lower the benefits to insignificant levels. As for HIV it lowers the risk by about 15% (in the US). So you would need to circumcise about 400 boys to prevent one additional case of HIV. There are literally dozens of ways to achieve the same reduction in rates without using surgery.
2013-01-21 11:38:02 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Bungles: A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.

Eyes collect smegma? So that's what that crust is.



I'm not sure there's many in the West who's over the age of 14 would have ever really encountered smegma.

It's a far more minor cleaning job than, say, a vagina. And no-one's agruing girls should have their vaginas cut out.
2013-01-21 11:03:25 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: BigLuca: Mid_mo_mad_man: entropic_existence: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bob Down: HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.

As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.

Washing doesn't prevent cancer of the penis and stds including aids.

Circumsision doesn't prevent it either, it merely lowers your risk factor. By a pretty sizable percentage points, but double-digit reductions in extremely small percentages results in fairly small reductions. As in, it isn't enough for it to be much of a factor overall.

That and neither of those reasons is why it is so prevalent in the US, where it has been that way for decades and those are both fairly recent findings.

Anything that's is cheap, simple and makes condom usage more effective should be done. I doubt I'm missing anything not have a foreskin.

Personally, I agree. That I why I started a group to lobby for mandatory double mastectomies in all girls once they reach puberty. That would save even more lives than circumcision.

How is removing a little skin like removing breasts?


It's arguably far less of a thing to remove the breasts, as they only have a purpose during breastfeeding, which in itself is optional. A foreskin has a job every hour of the day, just like an eyelid does.
2013-01-21 11:01:20 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: BigLuca: Mid_mo_mad_man: entropic_existence: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bob Down: HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.

As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.

Washing doesn't prevent cancer of the penis and stds including aids.

Circumsision doesn't prevent it either, it merely lowers your risk factor. By a pretty sizable percentage points, but double-digit reductions in extremely small percentages results in fairly small reductions. As in, it isn't enough for it to be much of a factor overall.

That and neither of those reasons is why it is so prevalent in the US, where it has been that way for decades and those are both fairly recent findings.

Anything that's is cheap, simple and makes condom usage more effective should be done. I doubt I'm missing anything not have a foreskin.

Personally, I agree. That I why I started a group to lobby for mandatory double mastectomies in all girls once they reach puberty. That would save even more lives than circumcision.

How is removing a little skin like removing breasts?


I think the point he was trying to make is that we shouldn't be modifying people's bodies without their consent, and that claiming that circumcision "should" (presumably to infants who are utterly unable to give consent) is bone-chillingly scary.
2013-01-21 10:36:42 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: entropic_existence: Mid_mo_mad_man: Bob Down: HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.

As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.

Washing doesn't prevent cancer of the penis and stds including aids.

Circumsision doesn't prevent it either, it merely lowers your risk factor. By a pretty sizable percentage points, but double-digit reductions in extremely small percentages results in fairly small reductions. As in, it isn't enough for it to be much of a factor overall.

That and neither of those reasons is why it is so prevalent in the US, where it has been that way for decades and those are both fairly recent findings.

Anything that's is cheap, simple and makes condom usage more effective should be done. I doubt I'm missing anything not have a foreskin.


Personally, I agree. That I why I started a group to lobby for mandatory double mastectomies in all girls once they reach puberty. That would save even more lives than circumcision.
2013-01-21 10:13:57 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.


Well that and they can sell the foreskins to face cream companies for tens of thousands of dollars per ounce.
2013-01-21 09:48:30 AM  
1 votes:
He can cumber my batch anytime....

For reals though, Sherlock is a fantastic show. More of a mini-series. 2 seasons, 3 hour and a half episodes. I highly recommend it.
2013-01-21 08:53:57 AM  
1 votes:
Star Trek is dead, this version is from the hipster universe.
/prefers the Terran Empire.
2013-01-21 08:25:14 AM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Bob Down: HotWingAgenda: That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.

As it was in other countries until Washing Yourself was invented.

Washing doesn't prevent cancer of the penis and stds including aids.


Circumsision doesn't prevent it either, it merely lowers your risk factor. By a pretty sizable percentage points, but double-digit reductions in extremely small percentages results in fairly small reductions. As in, it isn't enough for it to be much of a factor overall.

That and neither of those reasons is why it is so prevalent in the US, where it has been that way for decades and those are both fairly recent findings.
2013-01-21 07:40:27 AM  
1 votes:
letsgetskill.files.wordpress.com

Benedict's not in Starfleet. He's with the Colonial Fleet.
2013-01-21 06:05:04 AM  
1 votes:
ROBIN WILLIAMS MADE THAT JOKE IN 1982!
2013-01-21 05:29:27 AM  
1 votes:
I'm an admitted Cumberbiatch, myself.  No apologies.
2013-01-21 05:27:30 AM  
1 votes:
I have no problem examining his Cumberbatch.

/everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying...
2013-01-21 05:09:46 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: why have I not heard the name "Benedict Cumberbatch" before and why am I, apparently, the only one who finds it so amusing?


I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of him before now. Amongst other things, he's the star of the British TV series Sherlock.
2013-01-21 03:57:16 AM  
1 votes:

JerkyMeat: [img.thesun.co.uk image 300x450]
I'm a

n Lizard otter!

blogs.independent.co.uk

FTFY,
2013-01-21 03:27:21 AM  
1 votes:
The Catskills called. They want their joke from 1965 back.
2013-01-21 03:24:20 AM  
1 votes:
That joke only makes sense outside the US, where circumcision is the norm no matter what religion you are, due to health practices.
 
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