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(Wisconsin State Journal)   "I don't mind paying my debt to society and being responsible for my actions. When you can have one beer and be arrested for drunk driving, it's ridiculous." says the man with 7 drunk driving convictions   (host.madison.com) divider line 28
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2013-01-21 10:24:18 AM  
5 votes:
DUI laws are in place to profit from drunk driving, not to stop it.
2013-01-21 04:44:54 AM  
5 votes:
What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.
2013-01-21 06:23:18 PM  
3 votes:

Aigoo: Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good. I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night. The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited. I ate some breakfast. I drank lots of water and coffee. I waited some more. And I kept on waiting. The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level. As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%. Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and w ...

Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.



So he;
1) Stayed the night and had breakfast the next morning.
2) Used an instrument to double check that he was sober enough to drive.
3) Waited an extra hour just to make sure.

He doesn't have a problem. You're another one with a reading comprehension problem. Go park with the other guy till you sober up enough to post.
2013-01-21 04:24:24 AM  
3 votes:

tukatz: Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.  And that probably had to do with your intoxication level.


Gonna disagree right there - people do that farking sober all the time.  They just don't get a DUI because of it.

And 80% of the country doesn't have taxi service.
2013-01-22 12:52:58 AM  
2 votes:

Aigoo: And he says it's not fair that if he has a beer and drives, it's prison time. I'm very consistent on this: use a designated driver, call a cab, walk, I don't give a fark. But whatever you do, do not drive after drinking. I am utterly implacable on this because I was nearly killed by a drunk driver.

So go fark yourself, asswipe. When you spend over a year re-learning how to farking walk and the rest of your life dealing with the consequences of some other asshole's choice to drive after what they call "a few drinks" (she blew a .21 three hours AFTER the wreck!), then you can tell me how I should feel or think. Until then, I haven't a shred of pity for any individual who gets behind the wheel after even one SIP of alcohol. I have never done it even one time, and I will never pity anyone who has, nor condone it. You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.


On the one hand, sorry that happened to you. Lifes a biatch, and then you die.

On the other, go take a flying leap for playing the sympathy card, you lying little sanctimonious pile of rancid fish guts. Because he never said that.

His point was

SJKebab: The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.


Now sack off.
2013-01-21 02:31:45 PM  
2 votes:
What have we learned from this thread (and others similar to it:)

A BAC of .15 was originally derived by scientists at which most people were impaired. This science is somewhat fallacious because "blood alcohol content" is derived from too many variables, guesses and suppositions that it can NEVER indicate someone's actual state of impairment; it is just a wholly arbitrary baseline that cannot really be applied to most specific individuals. Also, "BAC" readings taken orally, via lung expiration, adds a whole magnitude of errors & suppositions that further make it impossible to use to measure a person's actual level of impairment. Swirl some mouthwash, spit it out, and go directly to jail.

Eventually that limit was lowered to .12, to be more inclusive of the general population.

But MADD and greedy lawyers weren't done. It was lowered to .10, then .08, and some places even lower, despite having no scientific or legal reason for doing so: it was no longer about safety, but about money.

DUI is one of the few crimes in which your Constitutional rights are thrown out the window. Fifth Amendment right to not testify against yourself (i.e. give a breath or blood sample)? Nope, you don't get it. Right to face and question your accuser (the basic accuracy and science behind the tests themselves)? Nope, every successful defense is further castrated by the law to eliminate that "loophole." And so on.

If it's OK for people to champion their right to shoot other people to death with whatever and however many rounds they choose, then it's OK for people to have a beer or two (but not six or eight.) Because that AIN'T drunk.
2013-01-21 11:08:35 AM  
2 votes:

Father_Jack: Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.

i would be ok with this if the money used by seizing the vehicles was used to provide cab vouchers for bars so people wouldnt have to drive.

while noone should drink and drive, in a lot of communities, you dont really have much choice. doesnt excuse it but it explains it to a certain extent.


What a crock of bullshiat. You ALWAYS have a choice. If you can't get home without driving, don't drink. So no, it doesn't explain it. What explains it is that people simply don't want to be responsible regardless of their constant bleating that they are.
2013-01-21 10:32:23 AM  
2 votes:

Generation_D: Lucky he hasn't killed anyone besides himself yet. Permanently pull the license.


I agree. And by your argument, gun owners should be arrested and permits revoked too.

Who knows who they 'might' kill. You never know. Better get them now.
2013-01-21 09:37:34 AM  
2 votes:
I conduct myself as if the limit is 0.00. If the cops want to arrest you, they will. There's nothing to stop a run-of-the-mill idiot from hitting your car and causing the cops to harass you about a legal amount of alcohol anyway. The system does not adequately punish chronic drunk drivers, and the wide net the law has cast has ruined too many decent people who try to follow the law, perhaps not realizing that BAC can be affected by a number of factors and that limiting oneself to one drink per hour does not guarantee compliance. I'm not falling in either one of those groups. I walk.
2013-01-21 01:32:21 AM  
2 votes:
In some states, utah for example, if you have a DWI conviction there is a probationary period - that they don't necessarily tell you about - that requires that if you get pulled over, you can't blow ANY alcohol into the breathalyzer.

I know a guy who got himself a DWI, then 10 months later got pulled over immediately after leaving a bar and blew 0.02, and got himself a 2nd DWI.

I don't have much sympathy for drunk drivers, but it seemed a little excessive to me.
2013-01-21 12:07:28 AM  
2 votes:
These farking maps are too time-consuming.  Just let me enter my home address and get a list of every sex offender, gun owner, drunk driver, and pit bull owner within a given radius of it.
2013-01-21 12:07:01 AM  
2 votes:
I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.
2013-01-22 12:13:25 AM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.


Sorry to hear what happened to you.  However are you seriously suggesting that there's zero difference between the type of idiot who hit you (who shouldn't be allowed near a car again for a very long time...), and someone who's had literally one sip of beer before having an accident?

I hope you've never driven tired...

Research has shown that not sleeping for more than 17 hours has an effect on driving ability the same as a Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) of 0.05. Not sleeping for 24 hours has the same effect of having a BAC of 0.10, double the legal limit.
2013-01-21 11:24:16 PM  
1 votes:

Outlander Engine: Aigoo: Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good. I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night. The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited. I ate some breakfast. I drank lots of water and coffee. I waited some more. And I kept on waiting. The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level. As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%. Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and w ...

Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.


So he;
1) Stayed the night and had breakfast the next morning.
2) Used an instrument to double check that he was sober enough to drive.
3) Waited an extra hour just to make sure.

He doesn't have a problem. You're another one with a reading comprehension problem. Go park with the other guy till you sober up enough to post.


And he says it's not fair that if he has a beer and drives, it's prison time. I'm very consistent on this: use a designated driver, call a cab, walk, I don't give a fark. But whatever you do, do not drive after drinking. I am utterly implacable on this because I was nearly killed by a drunk driver.

So go fark yourself, asswipe. When you spend over a year re-learning how to farking walk and the rest of your life dealing with the consequences of some other asshole's choice to drive after what they call "a few drinks" (she blew a .21 three hours AFTER the wreck!), then you can tell me how I should feel or think. Until then, I haven't a shred of pity for any individual who gets behind the wheel after even one SIP of alcohol. I have never done it even one time, and I will never pity anyone who has, nor condone it. You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.
2013-01-21 04:07:38 PM  
1 votes:

The Larch: John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.

Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!


Yes, those 2 instances are exactly alike.
2013-01-21 03:07:24 PM  
1 votes:

John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.


Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!
2013-01-21 02:31:54 PM  
1 votes:

John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.


You sound just like my ex-husband! He thought the exact same thing. Then he crashed his car into a tree and got a DUI. Then later he flipped a different car into a family, sending them all into the ICU. His current wife has to pay for that one. He's probably driven drunk 1000 other times, and THEY all turned out fine, so why should he have expected that those times wouldn't?
2013-01-21 01:19:43 PM  
1 votes:
I think the online map won't do any good and is just a waste of money. But with 7 convictions, that guy just needs to keep his piehole shut.

The maps can be used by non-drunk drivers to determine what roads they should avoid.

I got a DUI by having a tail light out.

So if you are going to get in the car after having a beer, keep it in good shape. How long was that light out? Do a regular check and get that shiat fixed.
2013-01-21 12:17:38 PM  
1 votes:

tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason. Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever...


I got a DUI by having a tail light out. Even more comical, I was on my way home from an AA meeting, and had gone to the meeting so that I wouldn't drink anymore. I hadn't had a drink in many hours, and was barely over the limit, which for a drunk isn't even noticeable.

ongbok: I hope they don't think putting these peoples' names and addresses on the net will shame them into stopping. A person with 5 or more DUI's really doesn't give a fark what other people think.


Newsflash: People with drug problems are often in denial about them.
2013-01-21 11:37:11 AM  
1 votes:

Dirtybird971: HOW THE FARK DO YOU STILL HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AFTER YOUR 3RD CONVICTION??

!


Short answer? You don't have a DL and you keep driving anyway
2013-01-21 11:20:33 AM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.


We have municipalities and counties in New Mexico falling all over themselves to start vehicle seizure programs once Albuquerque started doing it.

The comical part comes in where these people get their vehicle seized, so they don't have one to install the mandatory interlock in. The proposal in the legislature now is require those people to have a breathalyzer installed in their home.

So, it isn't really so much about preventing them from drinking and driving, it's about making interlock revenue.
2013-01-21 10:44:25 AM  
1 votes:
If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old
2013-01-21 10:41:14 AM  
1 votes:
How is it possible to attain the age of 54 with such a fondness for alcohol and never figure out a way to drink that doesn't involve driving a car?

SJKebab: tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


Yes and no.  The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.  As a 2 time DUI convict myself, I have to chip in here.

In my case, my first DUI was as a probationary driver - not allowed to have any alcohol in the system at all.  In this case, I was stupid.  I'd had about a beer and half, and realised that I was about to run out, so I hopped in the car to pick some more up.  Bang, random breath test.  Bang, I blew 0.04.  I knew I wasn't drunk, but nonetheless I accept full responsibility for this one.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  I lost my licence for 3 months.

Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good.  I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night.  The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited.  I ate some breakfast.  I drank lots of water and coffee.  I waited some more.  And I kept on waiting.  The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level.  As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%.  Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and was pulled over literally 500m from my brothers house.  0.064%.
None of this meant anything to the court of course.  And I guess that's fair enough in it's way ...


In other words you has issues with drinking and driving and if you do it again you go to jail. I don't see the problem here.
2013-01-21 10:27:56 AM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: He might be good at driving drunk, but it appears he's also good at getting caught driving drunk. Lucky he hasn't killed anyone besides himself yet.  Permanently pull the license.


Pulling the license doesn't stop him from driving.

Put him into PMITA prison. That is the only sure way to keep him out of the driver's seat.
2013-01-21 08:06:43 AM  
1 votes:
A DUI conviction is pretty much a rite of passage in this state, and that map is just showing me the people I can ask to mow my lawn for a six pack.
2013-01-21 02:56:22 AM  
1 votes:

tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.



Yes and no.  The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.  As a 2 time DUI convict myself, I have to chip in here.

In my case, my first DUI was as a probationary driver - not allowed to have any alcohol in the system at all.  In this case, I was stupid.  I'd had about a beer and half, and realised that I was about to run out, so I hopped in the car to pick some more up.  Bang, random breath test.  Bang, I blew 0.04.  I knew I wasn't drunk, but nonetheless I accept full responsibility for this one.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  I lost my licence for 3 months.

Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good.  I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night.  The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited.  I ate some breakfast.  I drank lots of water and coffee.  I waited some more.  And I kept on waiting.  The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level.  As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%.  Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and was pulled over literally 500m from my brothers house.  0.064%.
None of this meant anything to the court of course.  And I guess that's fair enough in it's way, they've heard it all before I'm sure.  However, I'm now viewed as a problem drink driver in the eyes of the law which couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm definitely a drunkard, but since that first DUI, I NEVER get behind the wheel when I've been drinking (one aberration notwithstanding)

So there goes my licence for a year.  Upon getting the licence back, I had to put a breathalyser interlock on the car for another year, which cost me $155 per month for the convenience.  All told, the whole expense put me out of pocket about $3500, not including loss of income.

So I have my licence back again now, the interlock has been removed for nearly 9 months and all is good.  Except of course, that we DO have a mandatory prison sentence for the 3rd conviction here (within a 10 year period), which means I'm up shiat creek without a paddle if I'm even a tiny bit over at any time in the next 5-6 years.  The fact that I'm lumped in the same category as some of these hopeless and reckless drunks is downright insulting.

That said, using the interlock is a wonderful tool in order to learn HOW to drink and drive successfully.  You very quickly learn (especially here in Australia where basically every social gathering involves lots of alcohol) how much you can drink of what, and in what time period, and still be under the limit x hours from now.  (Just do that carefully, as the logs from the device get sent to the judge when you try to get your licence back - you don't want to be explaining multiple failed readings....)

TL;DR version:  Figure something out, but mandatory sentencing can go and fark a goat.
2013-01-21 02:09:15 AM  
1 votes:
Die in a fire you slug.
2013-01-21 01:39:23 AM  
1 votes:
A lot of drunk drivers are good (drivers) because they do it all the time

Practice makes perfect.
 
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