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(Wisconsin State Journal)   "I don't mind paying my debt to society and being responsible for my actions. When you can have one beer and be arrested for drunk driving, it's ridiculous." says the man with 7 drunk driving convictions   (host.madison.com) divider line 131
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2013-01-21 12:07:01 AM
I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.
 
2013-01-21 12:07:28 AM
These farking maps are too time-consuming.  Just let me enter my home address and get a list of every sex offender, gun owner, drunk driver, and pit bull owner within a given radius of it.
 
2013-01-21 01:14:43 AM
I think the online map won't do any good and is just a waste of money. But with 7 convictions, that guy just needs to keep his piehole shut.
 
2013-01-21 01:27:17 AM
Wouldn't it be a better use of taxpayers' money if the people who made this map were out in patrol cars, pulling over drunks?
 
2013-01-21 01:32:21 AM
In some states, utah for example, if you have a DWI conviction there is a probationary period - that they don't necessarily tell you about - that requires that if you get pulled over, you can't blow ANY alcohol into the breathalyzer.

I know a guy who got himself a DWI, then 10 months later got pulled over immediately after leaving a bar and blew 0.02, and got himself a 2nd DWI.

I don't have much sympathy for drunk drivers, but it seemed a little excessive to me.
 
2013-01-21 01:39:23 AM
A lot of drunk drivers are good (drivers) because they do it all the time

Practice makes perfect.
 
2013-01-21 02:09:15 AM
Die in a fire you slug.
 
2013-01-21 02:18:18 AM
The majority of drunken driving arrests in the state (there were 28,213 convictions in 2011) are first-time offenses, and many of those caught the first time have likely driven dozens of other times while intoxicated, said Nina Emerson, director of the Resource Center on Impaired Driving at UW-Madison.

Oh, I'll take exception to this, because when I was drinking I took extra care to not drive drunk.  I saw that TV movie int he 80's that MADD sponsored, and I was paranoid about it.  What I didn't understand was that you can still be legally drunk the morning after.  So I got pulled over going 70 on I-95 at 10am on a Saturday.  I blew a 0.08 on the road, but a 0.01 at the station.  I was driving home the morning after a bachelor party for a friend and I specifically got a hotel room in DC so I didn't have to drive home drunk.  I found out after my arrest that I didn't have to consent to the roadside breath test at all, only the one at the station, but the police don't explain that to you.  It's all money to them.

Thankfully, I hadn't ever had so much as a speeding ticket, so they dropped the charges, but that's crazy rare for Virginia.  If my story hadn't checked out - the cop that arrested me smugly told me my BAC was going to go up - I'm sure they would have nailed me.

I don't hit the liquor anymore but I buy all of my friends breathalyzers as presents so they can check themselves.  It's a good idea.  They don't want to drive drunk, but without a tool to let you know, you can make a mistake.  The ignition interlock devices work on the same principle, except they don't offer them to people who want to avoid breaking the law.
 
2013-01-21 02:56:22 AM

tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.



Yes and no.  The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.  As a 2 time DUI convict myself, I have to chip in here.

In my case, my first DUI was as a probationary driver - not allowed to have any alcohol in the system at all.  In this case, I was stupid.  I'd had about a beer and half, and realised that I was about to run out, so I hopped in the car to pick some more up.  Bang, random breath test.  Bang, I blew 0.04.  I knew I wasn't drunk, but nonetheless I accept full responsibility for this one.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  I lost my licence for 3 months.

Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good.  I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night.  The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited.  I ate some breakfast.  I drank lots of water and coffee.  I waited some more.  And I kept on waiting.  The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level.  As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%.  Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and was pulled over literally 500m from my brothers house.  0.064%.
None of this meant anything to the court of course.  And I guess that's fair enough in it's way, they've heard it all before I'm sure.  However, I'm now viewed as a problem drink driver in the eyes of the law which couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm definitely a drunkard, but since that first DUI, I NEVER get behind the wheel when I've been drinking (one aberration notwithstanding)

So there goes my licence for a year.  Upon getting the licence back, I had to put a breathalyser interlock on the car for another year, which cost me $155 per month for the convenience.  All told, the whole expense put me out of pocket about $3500, not including loss of income.

So I have my licence back again now, the interlock has been removed for nearly 9 months and all is good.  Except of course, that we DO have a mandatory prison sentence for the 3rd conviction here (within a 10 year period), which means I'm up shiat creek without a paddle if I'm even a tiny bit over at any time in the next 5-6 years.  The fact that I'm lumped in the same category as some of these hopeless and reckless drunks is downright insulting.

That said, using the interlock is a wonderful tool in order to learn HOW to drink and drive successfully.  You very quickly learn (especially here in Australia where basically every social gathering involves lots of alcohol) how much you can drink of what, and in what time period, and still be under the limit x hours from now.  (Just do that carefully, as the logs from the device get sent to the judge when you try to get your licence back - you don't want to be explaining multiple failed readings....)

TL;DR version:  Figure something out, but mandatory sentencing can go and fark a goat.
 
2013-01-21 03:21:26 AM
Wisconsin's drunk driving laws are a joke.  Here you don't reach any type of significant lockup until your 5th DUI... which is supposed to be 2 years in prison, but most get their lawyer-on-call to get them out of it.  Until the 5th, these jerkoffs get out again and again.... and continue to endanger everyone around them.

The way the state treats drunk driving makes us an embarrassment.  We have numerous people hitting the paper for 10th... 12th... 15th DUIs.  They continue to drive after their licenses are suspended/revoked.  They continue to drink and drive.  There is no real deterrent.

I think prison starting with the 3rd is appropriate.  If you can't straighten yourself out after getting busted two different times, then all sympathy for you is lost.  There needs to be something to stop them before someone ends up dying.

And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason.  Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.  And that probably had to do with your intoxication level.  So many people get some booze in them and suddenly feel like they can do nothing wrong.  This includes their driving.... they feel like they're the best driver in the world.  And because of the ratio of cops vs. drunks on the road, they probably get away with drunk driving for quite a while before getting arrested.  The worst judge of how much you can handle drinking is you.  After a few beers, you have poor judgement and sense of time.

Sadly, our area has several free ride programs where the bartender will give you a free waiver for a taxi if you are drunk.  The taxi services work with the bars to make sure rides are available.  And very few people ever use this service.  They would rather run the risk of getting arrested, smashing their car or killing someone.
 
2013-01-21 04:24:24 AM

tukatz: Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.  And that probably had to do with your intoxication level.


Gonna disagree right there - people do that farking sober all the time.  They just don't get a DUI because of it.

And 80% of the country doesn't have taxi service.
 
2013-01-21 04:44:54 AM
What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.
 
2013-01-21 05:42:04 AM

tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason.  Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.


Nope, gotta disagree there.  Here in Australia, we have random breath test roadblocks.  If you see it, it's too late.  They'll either pull you aside or let you go arbitrarily.
 
2013-01-21 08:06:43 AM
A DUI conviction is pretty much a rite of passage in this state, and that map is just showing me the people I can ask to mow my lawn for a six pack.
 
2013-01-21 09:06:54 AM
Jerry Fuchs is sober and looking forward to September.

Heh - Jerry Fuchs. I'm sure it's actually pronounced "foochs" or "fooks" some shiat, but we all know that dude has been called Jerry F*cks his entire life.
 
2013-01-21 09:27:27 AM
We are getting very close to cars that drive themselves, do you think we will still have drunk driving laws when that happens?
 
2013-01-21 09:36:32 AM
At some point, broken bones are needed to get the point a ross to losers like this that drunk driving is bad.
 
2013-01-21 09:37:34 AM
I conduct myself as if the limit is 0.00. If the cops want to arrest you, they will. There's nothing to stop a run-of-the-mill idiot from hitting your car and causing the cops to harass you about a legal amount of alcohol anyway. The system does not adequately punish chronic drunk drivers, and the wide net the law has cast has ruined too many decent people who try to follow the law, perhaps not realizing that BAC can be affected by a number of factors and that limiting oneself to one drink per hour does not guarantee compliance. I'm not falling in either one of those groups. I walk.
 
2013-01-21 09:39:53 AM

Asa Phelps: In some states, utah for example, if you have a DWI conviction there is a probationary period - that they don't necessarily tell you about - that requires that if you get pulled over, you can't blow ANY alcohol into the breathalyzer.

I know a guy who got himself a DWI, then 10 months later got pulled over immediately after leaving a bar and blew 0.02, and got himself a 2nd DWI.

I don't have much sympathy for drunk drivers, but it seemed a little excessive to me.


It's Utah, I'm surprised they allow any alcohol in the state at all.
 
2013-01-21 09:51:34 AM
He might be good at driving drunk, but it appears he's also good at getting caught driving drunk. Lucky he hasn't killed anyone besides himself yet.  Permanently pull the license.
 
2013-01-21 10:19:25 AM

tukatz: A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.


Had an ex in college who was convicted of drunk driving for the 4th time, sent to one of those weekend work programs (plus having his license revoked). I dropped him off for his first day and he called me an hour later and said he had been kicked out because his BAC was too high. He drank like 7 Guinness' the night before. Dumbass.
 
2013-01-21 10:24:18 AM
DUI laws are in place to profit from drunk driving, not to stop it.
 
2013-01-21 10:27:52 AM
How many drunk drivers with
 
2013-01-21 10:27:56 AM

Generation_D: He might be good at driving drunk, but it appears he's also good at getting caught driving drunk. Lucky he hasn't killed anyone besides himself yet.  Permanently pull the license.


Pulling the license doesn't stop him from driving.

Put him into PMITA prison. That is the only sure way to keep him out of the driver's seat.
 
2013-01-21 10:30:02 AM

starsrift: How many drunk drivers with

<0.1 have been the cause of crashes, anyway, nevermind the 0.05 and 0.08 limits? Why are drinking tolerances shrinking? I'm not sure I understand it.

Oh right, html.
FTFM.
 
2013-01-21 10:32:23 AM

Generation_D: Lucky he hasn't killed anyone besides himself yet. Permanently pull the license.


I agree. And by your argument, gun owners should be arrested and permits revoked too.

Who knows who they 'might' kill. You never know. Better get them now.
 
2013-01-21 10:32:48 AM
Jerry Fuchs is sober and looking forward to September.

That's when the retired General Motors worker will have his name, address and mug shot removed from a website created by the Janesville Police Department that maps city residents who have five or more drunken driving convictions.


For Fuchs' sake, take him off the map!
 
2013-01-21 10:33:23 AM

tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


This but with blindings, organ harvestings. I'm getting pretty tired of the excuses.
 
2013-01-21 10:34:13 AM
Be thankful you're not in Norway. I don't know exactly what the legal limit is, but I've heard that one glass of wine will put you over the limit. I have literally never met anyone here who has been willing to chance drinking one glass of beer if they had to drive that night.

On the plus side, the public transportation system here is decent, and the cabs are good (and expensive). It's pretty common to see people drinking beer on the bus on their way to a bar /party. And somehow, despite all of the restrictions and despite the ungodly high prices on booze, people still manage to get pretty hammered.
 
2013-01-21 10:34:52 AM

Lsherm: The majority of drunken driving arrests in the state (there were 28,213 convictions in 2011) are first-time offenses, and many of those caught the first time have likely driven dozens of other times while intoxicated, said Nina Emerson, director of the Resource Center on Impaired Driving at UW-Madison.

Oh, I'll take exception to this, because when I was drinking I took extra care to not drive drunk.  I saw that TV movie int he 80's that MADD sponsored, and I was paranoid about it.  What I didn't understand was that you can still be legally drunk the morning after.  So I got pulled over going 70 on I-95 at 10am on a Saturday.  I blew a 0.08 on the road, but a 0.01 at the station.  I was driving home the morning after a bachelor party for a friend and I specifically got a hotel room in DC so I didn't have to drive home drunk.  I found out after my arrest that I didn't have to consent to the roadside breath test at all, only the one at the station, but the police don't explain that to you.  It's all money to them.

Thankfully, I hadn't ever had so much as a speeding ticket, so they dropped the charges, but that's crazy rare for Virginia.  If my story hadn't checked out - the cop that arrested me smugly told me my BAC was going to go up - I'm sure they would have nailed me.

I don't hit the liquor anymore but I buy all of my friends breathalyzers as presents so they can check themselves.  It's a good idea.  They don't want to drive drunk, but without a tool to let you know, you can make a mistake.   The ignition interlock devices work on the same principle, except they don't offer them to people who want to avoid breaking the law.


I may be mistaken but I think parents can request that they be put in their childs car. If they want to pay for it. I've heard its around 75 buck a month to lease it.
 
2013-01-21 10:35:21 AM
Maybe his version of "one beer" encompasses any one container of beer of any size. Twelve oz cans and kegs are the same number of containers, so he just had one beer. Kind of.
 
2013-01-21 10:38:15 AM
homebrewandbeer.com
*belch*
That's my limit, boys! Gotta drive home, ya know.
 
2013-01-21 10:38:37 AM

DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.


I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.
 
2013-01-21 10:39:41 AM
... Also 7 dui's is absolutely ridiculous. How is he not in jail/ on an alcohol teather?
 
2013-01-21 10:39:46 AM
What a fuchs-head.

And by that, I of course mean:

db.fursuit.me
 
2013-01-21 10:41:14 AM
How is it possible to attain the age of 54 with such a fondness for alcohol and never figure out a way to drink that doesn't involve driving a car?

SJKebab: tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


Yes and no.  The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.  As a 2 time DUI convict myself, I have to chip in here.

In my case, my first DUI was as a probationary driver - not allowed to have any alcohol in the system at all.  In this case, I was stupid.  I'd had about a beer and half, and realised that I was about to run out, so I hopped in the car to pick some more up.  Bang, random breath test.  Bang, I blew 0.04.  I knew I wasn't drunk, but nonetheless I accept full responsibility for this one.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  I lost my licence for 3 months.

Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good.  I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night.  The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited.  I ate some breakfast.  I drank lots of water and coffee.  I waited some more.  And I kept on waiting.  The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level.  As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%.  Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and was pulled over literally 500m from my brothers house.  0.064%.
None of this meant anything to the court of course.  And I guess that's fair enough in it's way ...


In other words you has issues with drinking and driving and if you do it again you go to jail. I don't see the problem here.
 
2013-01-21 10:41:38 AM

megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


Depends on ABV of said beer and your weight, tolerance, and other factors.
 
2013-01-21 10:43:53 AM

DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.


A huge THIS.
 
2013-01-21 10:44:25 AM
If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old
 
2013-01-21 10:44:54 AM

megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


If you do it too soon after drinking there is probably residual alcohol in your airway that is more concentrated than what would normally be coming from the lungs of somebody who had been drinking, but stopped half an hour ago. Otherwise, I have no idea. Really bad (or no) calibration? Straight up rigging of the device? You completely lack the enzymes necessary to process alcohol? Your blood has some sort of symbiotic yeast living in it that makes you always have alcohol in your system? The world may never know.
 
2013-01-21 10:46:45 AM

Egoy3k: If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old


Then they arrest for an illegal u-turn, reckless driving, and a couple more charges I'm sure I am missing.  The point is, you are always breaking the law.
 
2013-01-21 10:48:35 AM

megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


I might be mistaken, but I think the limit is set at .08 because that's the avg BAC of an average sized person having one beer an hour. After having one beer, ideally you should wait an hour for it to metabolize out of you. But, you know, ain't nobody got time for that, so .08 and under is good. When they lower the limits below that, people get up in arms because you can get DUIs for half a beer or even using too much mouthwash in the morning.
 
2013-01-21 10:48:43 AM

Egoy3k: If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old


That just shows that "roadblocks are voluntary" is bullshait.
 
2013-01-21 10:48:51 AM
In December, Peter C. Smith, 29, of Janesville, was arrested on his eighth drunken driving charge after he allegedly ran a red light with his red Chevrolet Beretta. Police say he had a blood alcohol level of 0.15 percent.

0.15 will get you an "extreme DUI" in some states (at least in AZ) but I'm more concerned that he would risk running red lights when he had to know he was probably over the limit and already had 7 DUIs.

Running red lights is very dangerous and cars that you collide with when you do so don't care if you are drunk or sober.

NEVER run red lights.

And if you've had a few drinks, do not speed, take extra care to stay in your lane and FFS do not give the cops any reason to pull you over (i.e. make sure all your lights work and your tags are not expired).

/doing field sobriety tests sucks
//Yeah, I know many people advise refusing them but that pretty much assures you're going to get at least a roadside breath test if not a trip downtown for an official court-admissible test
///never been given a breath test
 
2013-01-21 10:49:11 AM
The guy is right up there with Moody's scolding the US government for irresponsible fiscal practices. They're not wrong, but they're also the last bunch of people who get to make that criticism. Likewise, I agree that "one and out" is dumb, but this guy doesn't get to make that point.
 
2013-01-21 10:49:30 AM

Lsherm: The majority of drunken driving arrests in the state (there were 28,213 convictions in 2011) are first-time offenses, and many of those caught the first time have likely driven dozens of other times while intoxicated, said Nina Emerson, director of the Resource Center on Impaired Driving at UW-Madison.

Oh, I'll take exception to this, because when I was drinking I took extra care to not drive drunk.  I saw that TV movie int he 80's that MADD sponsored, and I was paranoid about it.  What I didn't understand was that you can still be legally drunk the morning after.  So I got pulled over going 70 on I-95 at 10am on a Saturday.  I blew a 0.08 on the road, but a 0.01 at the station.  I was driving home the morning after a bachelor party for a friend and I specifically got a hotel room in DC so I didn't have to drive home drunk.  I found out after my arrest that I didn't have to consent to the roadside breath test at all, only the one at the station, but the police don't explain that to you.  It's all money to them.

Thankfully, I hadn't ever had so much as a speeding ticket, so they dropped the charges, but that's crazy rare for Virginia.  If my story hadn't checked out - the cop that arrested me smugly told me my BAC was going to go up - I'm sure they would have nailed me.

I don't hit the liquor anymore but I buy all of my friends breathalyzers as presents so they can check themselves.  It's a good idea.  They don't want to drive drunk, but without a tool to let you know, you can make a mistake.  The ignition interlock devices work on the same principle, except they don't offer them to people who want to avoid breaking the law.


Because it's about money and catching you off-guard. Basic fear tactic.
 
2013-01-21 10:51:37 AM

EvilEgg: Egoy3k: If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old

Then they arrest for an illegal u-turn, reckless driving, and a couple more charges I'm sure I am missing.  The point is, you are always breaking the law.


Yeah Like I said I was pretty stupid. They did let me go with a warning but they read me the riot act first.
 
2013-01-21 10:53:37 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Jerry Fuchs is sober and looking forward to September.

Heh - Jerry Fuchs. I'm sure it's actually pronounced "foochs" or "fooks" some shiat, but we all know that dude has been called Jerry F*cks his entire life.


I doubt it. Around here, Fuchs is a pretty common last name and people know how to pronounce it.
 
2013-01-21 10:56:08 AM

deanis: Depends on ABV of said beer and your weight, tolerance, and other factors.


BAC has nothing to do with tolerance. It's just a measure of how much alcohol is in your blood.
Or in the case of breathalyzers, how much is coming out of your mouth in vapor. So they're not accurate. Eating a piece of bread can register on one. Mouthwash can register. You can probably register a .08 just by swishing a sip of whiskey around your mouth and spitting it out first.
 
2013-01-21 10:56:53 AM

tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


yeah coz criminalizing drug use totally helpd that problem didnt it
 
2013-01-21 10:57:05 AM
Seize their vehicles and sell them.
 
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2013-01-21 10:59:17 AM
That's why I like living in a real neighborhood rather than a mcmansion suburb. We have local bar & grills, taverns, restaurants and more all within walking distance. I can go have a few beers with friends, watch the game and go home all without needing to drive.
 
2013-01-21 10:59:25 AM

MagSeven: megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.

I might be mistaken, but I think the limit is set at .08 because that's the avg BAC of an average sized person having one beer an hour. After having one beer, ideally you should wait an hour for it to metabolize out of you. But, you know, ain't nobody got time for that, so .08 and under is good. When they lower the limits below that, people get up in arms because you can get DUIs for half a beer or even using too much mouthwash in the morning.


You do have a point.
 
2013-01-21 11:02:40 AM

Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.


i would be ok with this if the money used by seizing the vehicles was used to provide cab vouchers for bars so people wouldnt have to drive.

while noone should drink and drive, in a lot of communities, you dont really have much choice. doesnt excuse it but it explains it to a certain extent.
 
2013-01-21 11:03:35 AM

zez: That's why I like living in a real neighborhood rather than a mcmansion suburb. We have local bar & grills, taverns, restaurants and more all within walking distance. I can go have a few beers with friends, watch the game and go home all without needing to drive.


Yep. There's a great little Tavern about 3 blocks from me.
They even carry The Bloody Axe!!!

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2013-01-21 11:07:58 AM
I hope they don't think putting these peoples' names and addresses on the net will shame them into stopping. A person with 5 or more DUI's really doesn't give a fark what other people think.
 
2013-01-21 11:08:35 AM

Father_Jack: Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.

i would be ok with this if the money used by seizing the vehicles was used to provide cab vouchers for bars so people wouldnt have to drive.

while noone should drink and drive, in a lot of communities, you dont really have much choice. doesnt excuse it but it explains it to a certain extent.


What a crock of bullshiat. You ALWAYS have a choice. If you can't get home without driving, don't drink. So no, it doesn't explain it. What explains it is that people simply don't want to be responsible regardless of their constant bleating that they are.
 
2013-01-21 11:14:01 AM

tukatz: y.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but the question is where do we lock these people up? The work release jails all have waiting lists to begin serving your sentence, and expanding jails is incredibly expensive. As our wonderful governor continues to run this state into the ground, the funding for punishing drunken drivers will continue to dry up
 
2013-01-21 11:19:19 AM

Father_Jack: Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.

i would be ok with this if the money used by seizing the vehicles was used to provide cab vouchers for bars so people wouldnt have to drive.



I work thirty miles from home:

1) Go to bar after work and drink a couple of beers
2) Get free ride and avoid $75 cab fare
3) Profit!
 
2013-01-21 11:20:33 AM

Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.


We have municipalities and counties in New Mexico falling all over themselves to start vehicle seizure programs once Albuquerque started doing it.

The comical part comes in where these people get their vehicle seized, so they don't have one to install the mandatory interlock in. The proposal in the legislature now is require those people to have a breathalyzer installed in their home.

So, it isn't really so much about preventing them from drinking and driving, it's about making interlock revenue.
 
2013-01-21 11:26:15 AM

Grimble Crumble: Father_Jack: Begoggle: Seize their vehicles and sell them.

i would be ok with this if the money used by seizing the vehicles was used to provide cab vouchers for bars so people wouldnt have to drive.


I work thirty miles from home:

1) Go to bar after work and drink a couple of beers
2) Get free ride and avoid $75 cab fare
3) Profit!


You still have to find a way back to your car in the morning.
 
2013-01-21 11:26:49 AM
HOW THE FARK DO YOU STILL HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AFTER YOUR 3RD CONVICTION??

STUPID ARSEHOLES! LEARN SOME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
 
2013-01-21 11:28:00 AM
my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.
 
2013-01-21 11:30:15 AM

CapeFearCadaver: zez: That's why I like living in a real neighborhood rather than a mcmansion suburb. We have local bar & grills, taverns, restaurants and more all within walking distance. I can go have a few beers with friends, watch the game and go home all without needing to drive.

Yep. There's a great little Tavern about 3 blocks from me.
They even carry The Bloody Axe!!!

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well you guys are hip arent you

/facepalm
 
2013-01-21 11:35:12 AM

zez: That's why I like living in a real neighborhood rather than a mcmansion suburb. We have local bar & grills, taverns, restaurants and more all within walking distance. I can go have a few beers with friends, watch the game and go home all without needing to drive.


In Janesville, WI (the city profiled in the article) you are always within walking distance of a bar or liquor store. I agree that having a local pub people could walk to could possibly cut back on OWI, but this dude didn't even have that excuse
 
2013-01-21 11:37:11 AM

Dirtybird971: HOW THE FARK DO YOU STILL HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE AFTER YOUR 3RD CONVICTION??

!


Short answer? You don't have a DL and you keep driving anyway
 
2013-01-21 12:04:33 PM

starlost: my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.


North Carolina was talking about doing that. It would kill the market according to sales people at the shops. I guess we will see who wins. Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


/You looks as goofy on a scooter as you do in a Prius
 
2013-01-21 12:06:43 PM

Onkel Buck: starlost: my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.

North Carolina was talking about doing that. It would kill the market according to sales people at the shops. I guess we will see who wins. Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


/You looks as goofy on a scooter as you do in a Prius


How can you tell if someone owns a Prius?

Don't worry about it. They'll tell you.

/I'll be here all night.
 
2013-01-21 12:12:47 PM

EvilEgg: Egoy3k: If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old

Then they arrest for an illegal u-turn, reckless driving, and a couple more charges I'm sure I am missing.  The point is, you are always breaking the law.


Evading a sobriety checkpoint is often an offense in itself.
 
2013-01-21 12:16:02 PM

Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.
 
2013-01-21 12:17:38 PM

tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason. Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever...


I got a DUI by having a tail light out. Even more comical, I was on my way home from an AA meeting, and had gone to the meeting so that I wouldn't drink anymore. I hadn't had a drink in many hours, and was barely over the limit, which for a drunk isn't even noticeable.

ongbok: I hope they don't think putting these peoples' names and addresses on the net will shame them into stopping. A person with 5 or more DUI's really doesn't give a fark what other people think.


Newsflash: People with drug problems are often in denial about them.
 
2013-01-21 12:21:39 PM

Sleeping Monkey: DUI laws are in place to profit from drunk driving, not to stop it.



That is 100% CORRECT! It is alllllll about money. Elderly drivers are MUCH more dangerous than someone with a 0.15 BAC. Does MADD care? No. All states should RAISE their bullcrap "impaired" driving limit back up to 0.15 because that is when people ARE drunk.
 
2013-01-21 12:23:19 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.

Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.


Wasnt there a scooter shop in Raleigh? I want to say the bartender at the bar I worked at was dating a guy that worked at one. He would to park his scooter out front of the bar with all the Harleys, used to crack me up
 
2013-01-21 12:28:57 PM

Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.

Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.

Wasnt there a scooter shop in Raleigh? I want to say the bartender at the bar I worked at was dating a guy that worked at one. He would to park his scooter out front of the bar with all the Harleys, used to crack me up


Just Googled, the only ones I find that are 'Scooters' only are those wheelchair scooter places. The ones I found that have the Motor Scooters are Motorcycle Shops (BMW, Suzuki, Harley, etc.)... maybe some of the wheelchair places sell... yeah, while typing that my brain said "I don't think so..."
 
2013-01-21 12:34:48 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.

Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.

Wasnt there a scooter shop in Raleigh? I want to say the bartender at the bar I worked at was dating a guy that worked at one. He would to park his scooter out front of the bar with all the Harleys, used to crack me up

Just Googled, the only ones I find that are 'Scooters' only are those wheelchair scooter places. The ones I found that have the Motor Scooters are Motorcycle Shops (BMW, Suzuki, Harley, etc.)... maybe some of the wheelchair places sell... yeah, while typing that my brain said "I don't think so..."


Place was called Urban Scooters on Buck Jones. I think it's closed now. I knew I would remember it.
 
2013-01-21 12:44:18 PM

megarian: Onkel Buck: starlost: my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.

North Carolina was talking about doing that. It would kill the market according to sales people at the shops. I guess we will see who wins. Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


/You looks as goofy on a scooter as you do in a Prius

How can you tell if someone owns a Prius?

Don't worry about it. They'll tell you.

/I'll be here all night.


I've heard that same joke, only subbing 'pilot' for 'Prius owner'.
 
2013-01-21 12:46:29 PM
As a poster child for the heavy-handedness of drunk driving rules (and punishments), this guy is pathetic. Seven DUIs, dude, you shouldn't even have a license so shut up and be grateful.

And to those saying how unfair it is that blowing 0.08 gets you slapped with a DUI, the law is saying that your judgement/reflexes are impaired, not that you are "drunk". Sure, you probably don't feel drunk on 1 beer an hour but that doesn't mean you aren't a bit slower or a bit more heedless than you should be behind the wheel. Sucks to be someone who gets nailed the next morning, but seriously...where do you live that they do DUI checks in the AM?!

/got into a car with a driver who was drunk (not just impaired)
//ONCE
///never again
 
2013-01-21 12:47:19 PM

John Buck 41: megarian: Onkel Buck: starlost: my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.

North Carolina was talking about doing that. It would kill the market according to sales people at the shops. I guess we will see who wins. Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


/You looks as goofy on a scooter as you do in a Prius

How can you tell if someone owns a Prius?

Don't worry about it. They'll tell you.

/I'll be here all night.

I've heard that same joke, only subbing 'pilot' for 'Prius owner'.


Vegan works, too.
 
2013-01-21 12:49:02 PM

cryinoutloud: tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason. Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever...

I got a DUI by having a tail light out.


See, this is what some of us are talking about, i.e., being pulled over for nonsense like that.

BS.

//follow the ka-$$HING. It's all about the Benjamins.
 
2013-01-21 12:50:15 PM

megarian: John Buck 41: megarian: Onkel Buck: starlost: my state still says mopeds do not require a drivers license iirc but they are trying to stop that. this is a southern state so you can pretty much ride the moped year round if needed so the drunks get one.

North Carolina was talking about doing that. It would kill the market according to sales people at the shops. I guess we will see who wins. Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.


/You looks as goofy on a scooter as you do in a Prius

How can you tell if someone owns a Prius?

Don't worry about it. They'll tell you.

/I'll be here all night.

I've heard that same joke, only subbing 'pilot' for 'Prius owner'.

Vegan works, too.


Indeed.
 
2013-01-21 12:53:50 PM

Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.

Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.

Wasnt there a scooter shop in Raleigh? I want to say the bartender at the bar I worked at was dating a guy that worked at one. He would to park his scooter out front of the bar with all the Harleys, used to crack me up

Just Googled, the only ones I find that are 'Scooters' only are those wheelchair scooter places. The ones I found that have the Motor Scooters are Motorcycle Shops (BMW, Suzuki, Harley, etc.)... maybe some of the wheelchair places sell... yeah, while typing that my brain said "I don't think so..."

Place was called Urban Scooters on Buck Jones. I think it's closed now. I knew I would remember it.


Yeah, just looked around for info on them here... everything went to motorcycle shops. Guess a scooter only store isn't going to do business. Hardly ever see them on the roads, actually. There's one guy in my neighborhood who uses his just to run a quick errand nearby... but he's also got 2 Harleys and a truck.
 
2013-01-21 01:08:23 PM
mopeds are everywhere here. the bastards don't drive near the shoulder but smack in the middle of the road at 25-40 mph. if they just made a attempt to get over when there is room i wouldn't hate them so much.
 
2013-01-21 01:08:38 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: Revenue for the state or keeping scooter salespersons employed.

Motorcycle shops are the ones who sell scooters. If they have to start selling the scooters only to people with valid DLs they'll still be fine. Our motorcycle shops do great business here in NC.

Wasnt there a scooter shop in Raleigh? I want to say the bartender at the bar I worked at was dating a guy that worked at one. He would to park his scooter out front of the bar with all the Harleys, used to crack me up

Just Googled, the only ones I find that are 'Scooters' only are those wheelchair scooter places. The ones I found that have the Motor Scooters are Motorcycle Shops (BMW, Suzuki, Harley, etc.)... maybe some of the wheelchair places sell... yeah, while typing that my brain said "I don't think so..."

Place was called Urban Scooters on Buck Jones. I think it's closed now. I knew I would remember it.

Yeah, just looked around for info on them here... everything went to motorcycle shops. Guess a scooter only store isn't going to do business. Hardly ever see them on the roads, actually. There's one guy in my neighborhood who uses his just to run a quick errand nearby... but he's also got 2 Harleys and a truck.


I live north of Wake Forest right now, pretty much in the sticks and I used to see this old guy on a scooter out on 96 on my way to work in the morning and on my way home at night. I also saw another guy on a scooter while at the grocery store. He was trying to figure out how to secure his suitcase of beer to it so he wouldnt have to hold it while he was driving.
 
2013-01-21 01:13:49 PM

Onkel Buck: I live north of Wake Forest right now, pretty much in the sticks and I used to see this old guy on a scooter out on 96 on my way to work in the morning and on my way home at night. I also saw another guy on a scooter while at the grocery store. He was trying to figure out how to secure his suitcase of beer to it so he wouldnt have to hold it while he was driving.


Heh. I had to hold onto a 12 pack once sitting on the back of a BMW R1200GS. We only had to go 4 or 5 blocks but both of our cars were on the fritz and we needed beer coming home from a long ride out in the sticks. Walking after that ride was not an option.
 
2013-01-21 01:17:32 PM
Asa Phelps: "I don't have much sympathy for drunk drivers, but it seemed a little excessive to me."

That's how I feel about most drunk driving laws.

/ "first they came for the drunks", and all that
// "then they came for the alleged terrorists" ...
/// we're basically all farked.
 
2013-01-21 01:19:43 PM
I think the online map won't do any good and is just a waste of money. But with 7 convictions, that guy just needs to keep his piehole shut.

The maps can be used by non-drunk drivers to determine what roads they should avoid.

I got a DUI by having a tail light out.

So if you are going to get in the car after having a beer, keep it in good shape. How long was that light out? Do a regular check and get that shiat fixed.
 
2013-01-21 01:20:50 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: I live north of Wake Forest right now, pretty much in the sticks and I used to see this old guy on a scooter out on 96 on my way to work in the morning and on my way home at night. I also saw another guy on a scooter while at the grocery store. He was trying to figure out how to secure his suitcase of beer to it so he wouldnt have to hold it while he was driving.

Heh. I had to hold onto a 12 pack once sitting on the back of a BMW R1200GS. We only had to go 4 or 5 blocks but both of our cars were on the fritz and we needed beer coming home from a long ride out in the sticks. Walking after that ride was not an option.


Did you ever go to Bonedaddy's Hideaway before it closed? Korner Pocket?
 
2013-01-21 01:22:17 PM

BarkingUnicorn: These farking maps are too time-consuming.  Just let me enter my home address and get a list of every sex offender, gun owner, drunk driver, and pit bull owner within a given radius of it.


How about a list of everyone who's all of these?  That's the house to stay away from.
 
2013-01-21 01:25:19 PM
I'm tired of everyone judging me just because I have a measly five drunk driving convictions.

It's not like I'm irresponsible, or anything.
 
2013-01-21 01:25:37 PM

megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


Google the term "partition ratio". That's likely your answer.
 
2013-01-21 01:27:05 PM

Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: I live north of Wake Forest right now, pretty much in the sticks and I used to see this old guy on a scooter out on 96 on my way to work in the morning and on my way home at night. I also saw another guy on a scooter while at the grocery store. He was trying to figure out how to secure his suitcase of beer to it so he wouldnt have to hold it while he was driving.

Heh. I had to hold onto a 12 pack once sitting on the back of a BMW R1200GS. We only had to go 4 or 5 blocks but both of our cars were on the fritz and we needed beer coming home from a long ride out in the sticks. Walking after that ride was not an option.

Did you ever go to Bonedaddy's Hideaway before it closed? Korner Pocket?


Bikers around here don't like Motorcyclists on BMWs. So, no.
 
2013-01-21 01:34:02 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: CapeFearCadaver: Onkel Buck: I live north of Wake Forest right now, pretty much in the sticks and I used to see this old guy on a scooter out on 96 on my way to work in the morning and on my way home at night. I also saw another guy on a scooter while at the grocery store. He was trying to figure out how to secure his suitcase of beer to it so he wouldnt have to hold it while he was driving.

Heh. I had to hold onto a 12 pack once sitting on the back of a BMW R1200GS. We only had to go 4 or 5 blocks but both of our cars were on the fritz and we needed beer coming home from a long ride out in the sticks. Walking after that ride was not an option.

Did you ever go to Bonedaddy's Hideaway before it closed? Korner Pocket?

Bikers around here don't like Motorcyclists on BMWs. So, no.


Good point. I don't recall seeing to many BMWs out front when I worked there.
 
2013-01-21 01:37:08 PM

megarian: I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


Having two servings of beers in one giant cup is not "one beer".
 
2013-01-21 01:45:19 PM

DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.


I don't think you know what that word means.

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/AdjectiveBased on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.(of power or a ruling body) Unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
I'm fairly certain that a system was used to determine what constitutes driving under the influence.

If it was truly arbitrary, they could simply choose any number at any time and say "aha! .0001!!! you are under the influence".
 
2013-01-21 01:45:26 PM

The Larch: megarian: I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.

Having two servings of beers in one giant cup is not "one beer".


That's why I said "one 16oz beer".
 
2013-01-21 01:46:44 PM

The Larch: megarian: I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.

Having two servings of beers in one giant cup is not "one beer".


1 1/3. A 24oz mug of beer is two drinks.
 
2013-01-21 01:46:57 PM

fusillade762: A lot of drunk drivers are good (drivers) because they do it all the time

Practice makes perfect.


It's true.
 
2013-01-21 01:49:38 PM

DittoToo: The Larch: megarian: I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.

Having two servings of beers in one giant cup is not "one beer".

1 1/3. A 24oz mug of beer is two drinks.


Great. Now I want beer.
 
2013-01-21 01:58:48 PM
Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...
 
2013-01-21 02:04:15 PM

Maul555: Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...


I've got a few cop friends. We've done the drinking without eating, and drinking with eating tests to find the standard for each of us... Hey, turns a normal night drinking together a bit more funny.
 
2013-01-21 02:08:29 PM

Maul555: Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...


The same people who can get sued if they let you leave their house drunk if you get in an accident.
 
2013-01-21 02:14:11 PM

andyofne: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I don't think you know what that word means.

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/AdjectiveBased on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.(of power or a ruling body) Unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
I'm fairly certain that a system was used to determine what constitutes driving under the influence.

If it was truly arbitrary, they could simply choose any number at any time and say "aha! .0001!!! you are under the influence".


Ok. Try this.

What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.
 
2013-01-21 02:26:30 PM

Egoy3k: Maul555: Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...

The same people who can get sued if they let you leave their house drunk if you get in an accident.


Don't let anyone drink at you're house if you're concerned about that...and get better friends.
 
2013-01-21 02:31:45 PM
What have we learned from this thread (and others similar to it:)

A BAC of .15 was originally derived by scientists at which most people were impaired. This science is somewhat fallacious because "blood alcohol content" is derived from too many variables, guesses and suppositions that it can NEVER indicate someone's actual state of impairment; it is just a wholly arbitrary baseline that cannot really be applied to most specific individuals. Also, "BAC" readings taken orally, via lung expiration, adds a whole magnitude of errors & suppositions that further make it impossible to use to measure a person's actual level of impairment. Swirl some mouthwash, spit it out, and go directly to jail.

Eventually that limit was lowered to .12, to be more inclusive of the general population.

But MADD and greedy lawyers weren't done. It was lowered to .10, then .08, and some places even lower, despite having no scientific or legal reason for doing so: it was no longer about safety, but about money.

DUI is one of the few crimes in which your Constitutional rights are thrown out the window. Fifth Amendment right to not testify against yourself (i.e. give a breath or blood sample)? Nope, you don't get it. Right to face and question your accuser (the basic accuracy and science behind the tests themselves)? Nope, every successful defense is further castrated by the law to eliminate that "loophole." And so on.

If it's OK for people to champion their right to shoot other people to death with whatever and however many rounds they choose, then it's OK for people to have a beer or two (but not six or eight.) Because that AIN'T drunk.
 
2013-01-21 02:31:54 PM

John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.


You sound just like my ex-husband! He thought the exact same thing. Then he crashed his car into a tree and got a DUI. Then later he flipped a different car into a family, sending them all into the ICU. His current wife has to pay for that one. He's probably driven drunk 1000 other times, and THEY all turned out fine, so why should he have expected that those times wouldn't?
 
2013-01-21 02:38:34 PM

feffer: John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.

You sound just like my ex-husband! He thought the exact same thing. Then he crashed his car into a tree and got a DUI. Then later he flipped a different car into a family, sending them all into the ICU. His current wife has to pay for that one. He's probably driven drunk 1000 other times, and THEY all turned out fine, so why should he have expected that those times wouldn't?


And as I have said before in OUI threads, I hope he got the book thrown at him for the incidents you mentioned. OTOH, did anything bad ever happen the other 1000 times?

I don't condone drunk driving. I condone not being arrested when nothing bad happens while one is behind the wheel. A driver farks up? Too bad, (s)he's screwed.
 
2013-01-21 02:44:34 PM

Maul555: Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...


I wish I had one. The only reasons I don't are that they're not cheap and not necessarily accurate - and I believe you can't smoke, eat or drink anything for 15 minutes before testing and that would be a pain
 
2013-01-21 02:51:08 PM

T.M.S.: Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good. I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night. The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited. I ate some breakfast. I drank lots of water and coffee. I waited some more. And I kept on waiting. The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level. As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%. Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and was pulled over literally 500m from my brothers house. 0.064%.
None of this meant anything to the court of course. And I guess that's fair enough in it's way ...

In other words you has issues with drinking and driving and if you do it again you go to jail. I don't see the problem here.



Looks like you have a reading comprehension problem. Maybe you should park it until that clears up....

/just saying
 
2013-01-21 03:07:24 PM

John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.


Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!
 
2013-01-21 03:17:24 PM

DittoToo: Egoy3k: Maul555: Who are all these people with home breathalyzers that monitor their guests BAC? I never want to know you people or ever consume alcohol around you people... This is just bizzare. I guess it is a natural product of a police state. Random breath tests? You people should move...

The same people who can get sued if they let you leave their house drunk if you get in an accident.

Don't let anyone drink at you're house if you're concerned about that...and get better friends.


I'm not concerned about that, and I don't test my guests. I have no need of better friends. I was simply explaining why someone might test their guests.
 
2013-01-21 04:04:42 PM

SJKebab:

You wanna know who told us where it was? Your goddamn brother.


Too obscure? Not obscure enough?
 
2013-01-21 04:07:38 PM

The Larch: John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.

Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!


Yes, those 2 instances are exactly alike.
 
2013-01-21 04:35:12 PM

T.M.S.: How is it possible to attain the age of 54 with such a fondness for alcohol and never figure out a way to drink that doesn't involve driving a car?

SJKebab: tukatz: I'm thinking his "one beer" comment doesn't describe his own drinking habits.  A 7th conviction for drunk driving probably equals having beer for breakfast, then working up to more potent stuff throughout the day.

Wisconsin needs to start locking up at 3rd offense.   And claiming their cars for auction to make up some of the outrageous court costs.


Yes and no.  The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.  As a 2 time DUI convict myself, I have to chip in here.

In my case, my first DUI was as a probationary driver - not allowed to have any alcohol in the system at all.  In this case, I was stupid.  I'd had about a beer and half, and realised that I was about to run out, so I hopped in the car to pick some more up.  Bang, random breath test.  Bang, I blew 0.04.  I knew I wasn't drunk, but nonetheless I accept full responsibility for this one.  I was stupid and I paid the price.  I lost my licence for 3 months.

Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good.  I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night.  The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited.  I ate some breakfast.  I drank lots of water and coffee.  I waited some more.  And I kept on waiting.  The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level.  As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%.  Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and w ...


Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.


Happy Hours: In December, Peter C. Smith, 29, of Janesville, was arrested on his eighth drunken driving charge after he allegedly ran a red light with his red Chevrolet Beretta. Police say he had a blood alcohol level of 0.15 percent.

0.15 will get you an "extreme DUI" in some states (at least in AZ) but I'm more concerned that he would risk running red lights when he had to know he was probably over the limit and already had 7 DUIs.

Running red lights is very dangerous and cars that you collide with when you do so don't care if you are drunk or sober.

NEVER run red lights.

And if you've had a few drinks, do not speed, take extra care to stay in your lane and FFS do not give the cops any reason to pull you over (i.e. make sure all your lights work and your tags are not expired).

/doing field sobriety tests sucks
//Yeah, I know many people advise refusing them but that pretty much assures you're going to get at least a roadside breath test if not a trip downtown for an official court-admissible test
///never been given a breath test


Actually, I recommend the opposite: refuse the field sobriety test (if your state allows it) and demand the breathalyzer (most states do not allow you to refuse breathalyzer anyway--at least not the ones I have driven in) or, even better, a blood test. There are a great many valid medical reasons one could fail a field sobriety test, including but not limited to: ear infection, vertigo, cognitive impairment due to injury, traumatic brain injury (mild to moderate), epilepsy... the list goes on. Not one of those medical reasons is easily recognized by most police officers, and, in fact, there are many credible accounts of police attempting to arrest individuals and charge them with DUI/DWI on the basis of a failed field sobriety test/nonresponsiveness/belligerence when the issue was, in fact, medical.

I've seen people fail a sobriety field test who passed a breathalyser and blood test because they had no alcohol in their system. The blood test is the gold standard--the field test simply shows whether or not you can walk a straight line, balance, and count/say your ABC's backwards... which, as a neurospine polytrauma patient, I cannot. Nor can hundreds--perhaps thousands--of others like me.
 
2013-01-21 04:44:17 PM
A retired GM worker with 7 DWI convictions you say. Well, he has a point. If he can be sloshed drunk and build the cars, why can't he drive them the same way.
 
2013-01-21 05:02:39 PM
SJKebab:

Here's a thought: you drink too goddamn much and you've been repeatedly stupid about it.
 
2013-01-21 05:22:35 PM

megarian: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I am suspicious of breathalyzers. I had ONE 16oz beer... literally one, not "officer, I swear I only had one"... And I blew a point .08 on the dot. I was pulled over for the light over my license plate being out. I'm not very good at maths or chemistyy, but I have no idea how one beer = .08.


Easy. The machines don't work.
 
2013-01-21 05:26:06 PM

andyofne: DrPainMD: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law due to an arbitrary level of some substance in his blood.

I don't think you know what that word means.

ar·bi·trar·y/ˈärbiˌtrerē/AdjectiveBased on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.(of power or a ruling body) Unrestrained and autocratic in the use of authority.
I'm fairly certain that a system was used to determine what constitutes driving under the influence.

If it was truly arbitrary, they could simply choose any number at any time and say "aha! .0001!!! you are under the influence".


That's how they came up with 0.08, so, yes, I do know what that word means.
 
2013-01-21 05:36:02 PM

SJKebab: tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason.  Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.

Nope, gotta disagree there.  Here in Australia, we have random breath test roadblocks.  If you see it, it's too late.  They'll either pull you aside or let you go arbitrarily.


That's different from America then. [IANAL alert!] The cops here have to have (or at least claim to have) a legit reason to pull you over. If your car is in good order (no broken lights, etc.), you're driving safely, not weaving about, and obeying all traffic laws, it is very difficult for you to get pulled over. I'm not saying it's impossible, of course, and I've been stopped for some pretty arbitrary things, but at the very least the cops need to have some excuse.

They could set up roadblocks here, but if they do that they basically have to stop everyone----stopping and testing people totally at random would violate the "illegal search as seizure" part of the constitution.
 
2013-01-21 05:39:24 PM

EvilEgg: Egoy3k: If you really want to piss off the cops pull a U-turn before a roadblock when you are sober. They'll pull two squad cars away from the roadblock just to chase you down and then get nothing on the breath tester.

/I've done this
//I was a dumb 16 year old

Then they arrest for an illegal u-turn, reckless driving, and a couple more charges I'm sure I am missing.  The point is, you are always breaking the law.


Don't forget fleeing from the police and resisting arrest! Oh, and where did that bag of weed on the passenger seat come from? That looks like a gun in your pocket, so you probably need to be tazed, etc.
 
2013-01-21 05:39:37 PM

John Buck 41: The Larch: John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.

Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!

Yes, those 2 instances are exactly alike.


They both cause no harm whatsoever. So, you explain to me how they're different.
 
2013-01-21 06:15:39 PM

Jument: SJKebab:

Here's a thought: you drink too goddamn much and you've been repeatedly stupid about it.


I drink too much, no doubt.  However, I was stupid once, and miscalculated a 2nd time even after trying my best to drive legally.  So yep, obviously I have a problem and I'm a menace to public safety.
 
2013-01-21 06:23:18 PM

Aigoo: Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good. I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night. The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited. I ate some breakfast. I drank lots of water and coffee. I waited some more. And I kept on waiting. The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level. As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%. Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and w ...

Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.



So he;
1) Stayed the night and had breakfast the next morning.
2) Used an instrument to double check that he was sober enough to drive.
3) Waited an extra hour just to make sure.

He doesn't have a problem. You're another one with a reading comprehension problem. Go park with the other guy till you sober up enough to post.
 
2013-01-21 06:35:36 PM

The Larch: John Buck 41: The Larch: John Buck 41: What's ridiculous is that a person can get into his car, safely drive from Point A to Point B, and be in violation of the law while causing no harm whatsover to property, life, or limb.

Yeah, it's also crazy that if someone pulls out a gun, takes careful aim at your head, and manages to miss, it's still a crime!

Insanity!

Yes, those 2 instances are exactly alike.

They both cause no harm whatsoever. So, you explain to me how they're different.


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Bye now. Adults are trying to have a conversation here.
 
2013-01-21 06:47:30 PM
I dunno, personally I think that after getting so many duis you shouldn't be allowed to drive or buy beer.

I have one dui and have no sympathy for people that get multiple duis. You all knew what you were getting into.

/used to drink and drive a bunch, then I did a nollie 360 flip with my car.
 
2013-01-21 11:24:16 PM

Outlander Engine: Aigoo: Fast forward 2 years later, and I"m back on the road and all is good. I went to my brothers house to have a drink with him, and I knew it was going to be a big one, so I organised to stay the night there, and we had a good night. The next morning, I knew I was still drunk, so I waited. I ate some breakfast. I drank lots of water and coffee. I waited some more. And I kept on waiting. The little breathalyzer thingy we had showed us all slowly sobering up, and people would gradually leave as they got under their threshold BAC level. As I was on my probationary licence again (back on it as I'd previously lost it), again, I had to give a reading of 0.00%. Our breathalyzer finally showed me at zeroes, and still I waited another hour, just to be sure.

It was about 3:30pm when I finally got into the car, and w ...

Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.


So he;
1) Stayed the night and had breakfast the next morning.
2) Used an instrument to double check that he was sober enough to drive.
3) Waited an extra hour just to make sure.

He doesn't have a problem. You're another one with a reading comprehension problem. Go park with the other guy till you sober up enough to post.


And he says it's not fair that if he has a beer and drives, it's prison time. I'm very consistent on this: use a designated driver, call a cab, walk, I don't give a fark. But whatever you do, do not drive after drinking. I am utterly implacable on this because I was nearly killed by a drunk driver.

So go fark yourself, asswipe. When you spend over a year re-learning how to farking walk and the rest of your life dealing with the consequences of some other asshole's choice to drive after what they call "a few drinks" (she blew a .21 three hours AFTER the wreck!), then you can tell me how I should feel or think. Until then, I haven't a shred of pity for any individual who gets behind the wheel after even one SIP of alcohol. I have never done it even one time, and I will never pity anyone who has, nor condone it. You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.
 
2013-01-21 11:50:55 PM

Aigoo: Like T.M.S., you clearly state that you have a problem with not staying the fark out from behind the wheel after drinking enough to make you clearly intoxicated (at least legally, if not physically), so I fail to see the problem. Learn to sit in the passenger seat after consuming alcohol and you'll stay out of prison and keep your license.


You have no problem with a person who is NOT physically intoxicated being arrested for driving while intoxicated?
 
2013-01-22 12:13:25 AM

Aigoo: You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.


Sorry to hear what happened to you.  However are you seriously suggesting that there's zero difference between the type of idiot who hit you (who shouldn't be allowed near a car again for a very long time...), and someone who's had literally one sip of beer before having an accident?

I hope you've never driven tired...

Research has shown that not sleeping for more than 17 hours has an effect on driving ability the same as a Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) of 0.05. Not sleeping for 24 hours has the same effect of having a BAC of 0.10, double the legal limit.
 
2013-01-22 12:30:30 AM

HMS_Blinkin: SJKebab: tukatz: And, sorry to all the "I only had a few beers" or "I was sobering up" people, but you were stopped for some reason.  Whether it was speeding, weaving, running a red light or whatever.... you were driving badly.

Nope, gotta disagree there.  Here in Australia, we have random breath test roadblocks.  If you see it, it's too late.  They'll either pull you aside or let you go arbitrarily.

That's different from America then. [IANAL alert!] The cops here have to have (or at least claim to have) a legit reason to pull you over. If your car is in good order (no broken lights, etc.), you're driving safely, not weaving about, and obeying all traffic laws, it is very difficult for you to get pulled over. I'm not saying it's impossible, of course, and I've been stopped for some pretty arbitrary things, but at the very least the cops need to have some excuse.

They could set up roadblocks here, but if they do that they basically have to stop everyone----stopping and testing people totally at random would violate the "illegal search as seizure" part of the constitution.


In NZ they don't need reasonable cause to stop you for a breath test either.

Driving isn't a right, it's a privilege extended by license to qualified persons who comply with the regulations and qualification testing regime set out by the government. Sure unlike most licenses almost everyone has one, but it's still a license.

I guess Kiwis and Aussies don't have a problem with random checks to make sure you're exercising that privilege responsibly and within the regulations just like any other licensed activity (fishing ,hunting, running a business, owning a firearm, flying a plane, being a doctor...). No one seems to have a problem with regulatory spot-checks on ANY OTHER license.
 
2013-01-22 12:52:58 AM

Aigoo: And he says it's not fair that if he has a beer and drives, it's prison time. I'm very consistent on this: use a designated driver, call a cab, walk, I don't give a fark. But whatever you do, do not drive after drinking. I am utterly implacable on this because I was nearly killed by a drunk driver.

So go fark yourself, asswipe. When you spend over a year re-learning how to farking walk and the rest of your life dealing with the consequences of some other asshole's choice to drive after what they call "a few drinks" (she blew a .21 three hours AFTER the wreck!), then you can tell me how I should feel or think. Until then, I haven't a shred of pity for any individual who gets behind the wheel after even one SIP of alcohol. I have never done it even one time, and I will never pity anyone who has, nor condone it. You drink and drive, I hope with every fiber of my being you are charged with attempted vehicular homicide and sentenced accordingly, because you made a choice to take my life and the lives of every other person on the roads into your drunken hands.


On the one hand, sorry that happened to you. Lifes a biatch, and then you die.

On the other, go take a flying leap for playing the sympathy card, you lying little sanctimonious pile of rancid fish guts. Because he never said that.

His point was

SJKebab: The problem with mandatory sentencing is always the same.  Mitigating circumstances are never taken into account by definition.


Now sack off.
 
2013-01-22 07:46:57 AM
Any officer will tell you that the higher a driver's BAC is, the more likely they are to insist that they only had one or two beers
 
2013-01-22 01:16:14 PM

John Buck 41: Bye now. Adults are trying to have a conversation here.


Dude, you're the one who claimed that there was absolutely nothing wrong with drive drunk, as long as you don't kill anyone.

But you sure told me. I'll go away now, with my childish notions of personal responsibility and infantile aversion to negligent manslaughter.
 
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