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2013-01-21 09:22:06 AM  

MayoSlather: Trackball: Why do we still need alcohol in our society? We have filtered water now. Drinking booze in any form is barbaric and unnecessary.

That's how I feel about sex. Artificial insemination is possible without the possibility of contracting a disease. I'm sorry, but people's good time in the bedroom isn't worth the spread of disease. Diseases that could in time evolve past our ability to manage them and end the human race. Not worth it.

I've taken precautions in my life to ensure I don't fall prey to the pit falls of trying to enjoy my life. I lock my door, leave the house only when necessary, with no sex, drugs, fatty foods, loud music and minimal human contact. My life is simply too important to me to risk having a life.


You even nailed the tone. Bravo, sir.
 
2013-01-21 09:26:33 AM  

Crewmannumber6: A drunk Kathy Lee is the best kind of Kathy Lee, let nature take its course.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-21 09:29:39 AM  
Cut the woman some slack. Old Frank is 82 now, while she's not yet sixty. She probably hasn't had a proper seeing to in years.
 
2013-01-21 09:34:21 AM  
Kathy Lee seen spilling chardonnay all over her dressing room as she staggers around sloshing her wine glass, pleading with anyone who will listen that she's "a good mom" and "Cody's best friend" before collapsing in a tearful heap curled around the toilet, sobbing softly.

Personal assistants rush in, closing the door softly behind them to keep out prying eyes. It's going to be a long morning.

Also, fark you Kathy Lee.
 
2013-01-21 09:39:06 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I don't get why so many people need to drink all the time. Alcoholics notwithstanding, of course. I mean people who aren't really alcoholic, but still need to have a drink once a week or once a day, even.


Uh, cuz they want to???

What things do you enjoy doing that I might look down upon in an incredulous and sanctimonious manner?
 
2013-01-21 09:42:38 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: MayoSlather: Trackball: Why do we still need alcohol in our society? We have filtered water now. Drinking booze in any form is barbaric and unnecessary.

That's how I feel about sex. Artificial insemination is possible without the possibility of contracting a disease. I'm sorry, but people's good time in the bedroom isn't worth the spread of disease. Diseases that could in time evolve past our ability to manage them and end the human race. Not worth it.

I've taken precautions in my life to ensure I don't fall prey to the pit falls of trying to enjoy my life. I lock my door, leave the house only when necessary, with no sex, drugs, fatty foods, loud music and minimal human contact. My life is simply too important to me to risk having a life.

You even nailed the tone. Bravo, sir.


Seriously, that was a work of art. +1
 
2013-01-21 10:10:53 AM  

rka: Giving up alcohol for 1 month is about as useless as those people who say they are going to go on some sort of "social media" or "email" diet and try to go a month without looking at their iPhone. Or those who try to claim their "detox" diet actually does anything at all.


I gave up beer for one month and I dropped over ten pounds without changing any other aspect of my life style. You don't know WTF you are talking about.
 
2013-01-21 10:19:28 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I don't get why so many people need to drink all the time. Alcoholics notwithstanding, of course. I mean people who aren't really alcoholic, but still need to have a drink once a week or once a day, even.

I haven't had an alcoholic beverage in about a year and a half. It's not like I made a decision not to drink or anything. I just haven't really felt like it. I had hard cider in 2011, I think, and I'm considering some wine or absinthe soon, but it's just not important to me. I'll have it when I have it.

I had my first alcoholic beverage when I was 15 (beer, which I find horrible tasting) and I've never been drunk in the 27 years since then. I have a drink every once in a while. Sometimes it's within days from the last time, and sometimes it's a couple years before I have alcohol again. I never, ever crave it. I watch other people buying cases of beer or boxes of wine every week (or every day!) and just want to roll my eyes. I don't get it.

I can see craving chocolate, caffeinated beverages, or bacon... But those things actually taste good. To me, most alcohol tastes harsh, bitter, and medicine-like. I seriously don't get how someone can say a particular alcohol (not mixed drinks, but straight gin, beer, wine, whiskey, etc.) tastes "yummy" or "good". I get wanting to be drunk-- Some people just can't cope with the world without having some sort of haze to distract them-- But I cannot understand craving alcohol for the taste.

Now, mixed drinks are another story. Make it taste like chocolate, strawberries, or something else dessert-like, and I totally understand enjoying the flavor. The alcohol is just an accessory at that point, though.

Beer is just so nasty tasting. I've had microbrews. I've had ales. I've had Canadian, European, Mexican, and American beers. They all taste bitter and nasty to me. Beers that have been described as "sweet" do not taste sweet to me; They taste like what I'd imagine turpentine and piss would taste like if served cold.

I know that' ...


You should also tell us about how you don't watch television, in fact you don't even own one.
 
2013-01-21 10:39:42 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I don't get why so many people need to drink all the time. Alcoholics notwithstanding, of course. I mean people who aren't really alcoholic, but still need to have a drink once a week or once a day, even.

I haven't had an alcoholic beverage in about a year and a half. It's not like I made a decision not to drink or anything. I just haven't really felt like it. I had hard cider in 2011, I think, and I'm considering some wine or absinthe soon, but it's just not important to me. I'll have it when I have it.

I had my first alcoholic beverage when I was 15 (beer, which I find horrible tasting) and I've never been drunk in the 27 years since then. I have a drink every once in a while. Sometimes it's within days from the last time, and sometimes it's a couple years before I have alcohol again. I never, ever crave it. I watch other people buying cases of beer or boxes of wine every week (or every day!) and just want to roll my eyes. I don't get it.

I can see craving chocolate, caffeinated beverages, or bacon... But those things actually taste good. To me, most alcohol tastes harsh, bitter, and medicine-like. I seriously don't get how someone can say a particular alcohol (not mixed drinks, but straight gin, beer, wine, whiskey, etc.) tastes "yummy" or "good". I get wanting to be drunk-- Some people just can't cope with the world without having some sort of haze to distract them-- But I cannot understand craving alcohol for the taste.

Now, mixed drinks are another story. Make it taste like chocolate, strawberries, or something else dessert-like, and I totally understand enjoying the flavor. The alcohol is just an accessory at that point, though.

Beer is just so nasty tasting. I've had microbrews. I've had ales. I've had Canadian, European, Mexican, and American beers. They all taste bitter and nasty to me. Beers that have been described as "sweet" do not taste sweet to me; They taste like what I'd imagine turpentine and piss would taste like if served cold.

I know that' ...


So...because YOU don't like beer, everyone else must be PRETENDING to like it?

You're pretty self absorbed, aren't you?
 
2013-01-21 10:42:00 AM  

rka: Giving up alcohol for 1 month is about as useless as those people who say they are going to go on some sort of "social media" or "email" diet and try to go a month without looking at their iPhone. Or those who try to claim their "detox" diet actually does anything at all.


Not so, the liver is quite remarkable in its ability to heal itself, so if she'd been drinking every day M-F and took a month off her liver could heal itself to a certain point......not sure about other parts of her body....but taking a break is never a bad thing.

/didn't know they drank on the air (never seen the Today Show
//wants a beer now
 
2013-01-21 11:18:05 AM  

Maestro1701: So...because YOU don't like beer, everyone else must be PRETENDING to like it?

You're pretty self absorbed, aren't you?


I'm thinking 17 year old girl...
 
2013-01-21 11:50:01 AM  
 
2013-01-21 12:12:54 PM  
I wish drinkers would stop pretending it's about anything but the alcohol.

Sure, you may have discerning tastes concerning the delivery system, but in the end it's the alcohol and its effect on you that you're after. Otherwise there'd be a booming non-alcoholic drinks market and there isn't. (I know non-alcoholic beers and stuff exist but they're a tiny market).

I'm not a drinker. I'm a binge drinker. I drink rarely (1-2 times a year at most), and when I do I tend to do it purely for effect at like a Christmas party. Alcohol plays no other role in my life and if I never touched another drop, it would have no effect on me whatsoever.

I don't consider every drinker to be a drunk, but I'm with the guy upthread in his utter confusion at how people can drink constantly like that. Beer or wine with every meal, drinks after work, night caps, a bar at home and wine or beer in the fridge at all times... that's alien to me.
 
2013-01-21 12:20:24 PM  
I feel superior.
 
2013-01-21 12:39:36 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: rka: Giving up alcohol for 1 month is about as useless as those people who say they are going to go on some sort of "social media" or "email" diet and try to go a month without looking at their iPhone. Or those who try to claim their "detox" diet actually does anything at all.

I gave up beer for one month and I dropped over ten pounds without changing any other aspect of my life style. You don't know WTF you are talking about.


Ten pounds would be roughly 35,000 calories. Assuming roughly 200 calories per beer (more or less depending on the style, of course), that comes out to 175 beers, or about a 6-pack a day, at a calorie deficit of 1166 below maintenance per day.

So yes, for incredibly obese alcoholics, giving up alcohol for a month is much less useless.
 
2013-01-21 12:43:34 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: rka: Giving up alcohol for 1 month is about as useless as those people who say they are going to go on some sort of "social media" or "email" diet and try to go a month without looking at their iPhone. Or those who try to claim their "detox" diet actually does anything at all.

I gave up beer for one month and I dropped over ten pounds without changing any other aspect of my life style. You don't know WTF you are talking about.


What happened after that month when you went back to drinking your usually quantity of beer?
 
2013-01-21 12:44:41 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: I wish drinkers would stop pretending it's about anything but the alcohol.


So you want us to lie?

It's about the whole experience... the taste, the smell, how it looks in a glass, the mouthfeel, and yes, the alcohol. But it's not *just* about the alcohol. Quit trying to explain things you obviously know nothing about.
 
2013-01-21 01:00:21 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Sure, you may have discerning tastes concerning the delivery system, but in the end it's the alcohol and its effect on you that you're after. Otherwise there'd be a booming non-alcoholic drinks market and there isn't. (I know non-alcoholic beers and stuff exist but they're a tiny market).


Do any non alcoholic beers taste decent? I've never really wanted to spend $8 on a six pack of O Douls but I've always assumed it would taste like Natty Lite.
 
2013-01-21 01:07:37 PM  

you have pee hands: PIP_the_TROLL: Sure, you may have discerning tastes concerning the delivery system, but in the end it's the alcohol and its effect on you that you're after. Otherwise there'd be a booming non-alcoholic drinks market and there isn't. (I know non-alcoholic beers and stuff exist but they're a tiny market).

Do any non alcoholic beers taste decent? I've never really wanted to spend $8 on a six pack of O Douls but I've always assumed it would taste like Natty Lite.


Non alcoholic Becks or Warsteiner are relatively decent. O'Douls... not so much (imho).
 
2013-01-21 01:19:18 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I don't get why so many people need to drink all the time. Alcoholics notwithstanding, of course. I mean people who aren't really alcoholic, but still need to have a drink once a week or once a day, even.

I haven't had an alcoholic beverage in about a year and a half. It's not like I made a decision not to drink or anything. I just haven't really felt like it. I had hard cider in 2011, I think, and I'm considering some wine or absinthe soon, but it's just not important to me. I'll have it when I have it.

I had my first alcoholic beverage when I was 15 (beer, which I find horrible tasting) and I've never been drunk in the 27 years since then. I have a drink every once in a while. Sometimes it's within days from the last time, and sometimes it's a couple years before I have alcohol again. I never, ever crave it. I watch other people buying cases of beer or boxes of wine every week (or every day!) and just want to roll my eyes. I don't get it.

I can see craving chocolate, caffeinated beverages, or bacon... But those things actually taste good. To me, most alcohol tastes harsh, bitter, and medicine-like. I seriously don't get how someone can say a particular alcohol (not mixed drinks, but straight gin, beer, wine, whiskey, etc.) tastes "yummy" or "good". I get wanting to be drunk-- Some people just can't cope with the world without having some sort of haze to distract them-- But I cannot understand craving alcohol for the taste.

Now, mixed drinks are another story. Make it taste like chocolate, strawberries, or something else dessert-like, and I totally understand enjoying the flavor. The alcohol is just an accessory at that point, though.

Beer is just so nasty tasting. I've had microbrews. I've had ales. I've had Canadian, European, Mexican, and American beers. They all taste bitter and nasty to me. Beers that have been described as "sweet" do not taste sweet to me; They taste like what I'd imagine turpentine and piss would taste like if served cold.

I know that' ...


On a serious note, regardless if you're serious or not, I actually feel as you described...

I've had times (years ago) where I've had drinks and would outdo just about everyone, but overall never really cared for it, especially beer, which I'd drink simply because there wasn't really anything else to drink or that sugary stuff didn't appeal to me.

The only beer that I've ever enjoyed was in Germany, and I don't remember the name now as there was no way to get it here anyways... t'was a nutty flavour. I've tried so many other beers trying to see what the appeal was and have never found it, as overall, I find it unappealing, and once it warms up it's undrinkable.

As far as other alcohol, I've enjoyed a few whiskeys , sherries and some wines, but nothing that really made me want to go back to it.

It's been quite a while since I've drank anything alcoholic, I'd say that in the last 10 years, I've probably had less than 10 beers and maybe 3-4 other things, but for now, I've lost all interest.

I've known alcoholics, I've seen what it does, but also, I've seen how so many people are alcoholics but would never be able to admit it... they might not end up in their own vomit every night, but as you mentioned, you see them with case after case of beer, almost cradling the box as it's some sort of treasure.

At my local corner store, walking in there and ending watching the clients (while you wait your turn at the cash) is very sad as so many can barely walk, easily malnourished, and whatever they talk about is usually booze related or something of the sort.

At the grocery store, so many end up with more beer than food in their carts, and have that empty soul look, and so many act or look angry that they have to wait in a line to get their precious beer home, it's quite amazing that their identity is bound to their ability to get alcohol...

Then the younger crowd, with the look that it means something special to be able to have beer (or other alcohol), as their lives revolves around it, as they cannot have any sort of good time without getting impaired.

And then, find yourself in any sort of activity, and all people seem to care about is getting booze, or try to push for you to drink. The number of times that I've had to repeat over and over that I was fine and didn't need a drink with alcohol is pretty sad, and then they look at you as if you just grew a tree out of your head as they cannot phantom the idea that someone might not want to drink something with alcohol... they are boggled.

It's just sad to see so many cross the line from casual drinker to someone with a problem, regardless how mild they may think it is.

The way I see it, if a person needs alcohol or anything else (stimulants) to enjoy life, it just speaks volume about their lives.
 
2013-01-21 01:33:14 PM  

OhioUGrad: ...so if she'd been drinking every day M-F and took a month off her liver could heal itself to a certain point....


Just how fast do you think she can regenerate? Pretty sure she's not Wolverine.
 
2013-01-21 01:39:22 PM  

imfallen_angel: The way I see it, if a person needs alcohol or anything else (stimulants) to enjoy life, it just speaks volume about their lives.


I don't need it to enjoy life; I need it to get through life. It's either drink alcohol or eat a shotgun; I'll take the alcohol.
 
2013-01-21 01:56:45 PM  

WhippingBoy:
Non alcoholic Becks or Warsteiner are relatively decent. O'Douls... not so much (imho).


I'm not that crazy about regular Becks for what it costs. I guess I aught to try the stuff once just to see how it is. Hmm.

imfallen_angel: The way I see it, if a person needs alcohol or anything else (stimulants) to enjoy life, it just speaks volume about their lives.


What if you just like it? There's tons of shiat most people do every day that they don't need to. Coffee, beer, smoking, TV, video games, Fark, chocolate, whatever. Alcohol in moderation isn't even harmful.
 
jgi
2013-01-21 02:20:38 PM  

you have pee hands: Alcohol in moderation isn't even harmful.


If alcohol isn't harmful at its core, why should one need to moderate it? Why do people "like" it? What do they really "like" about it? Ultimately, it's an expensive way to slowly poison yourself. It's also addicting. No drug addict starts out saying, "I'd really like to get addicted to this!" It just happens. I've recently realized that I have a bit of a problem with alcohol... one facet of the problem is that I can't stop once I've started. It makes me feel pathetic. It makes me feel like I don't have control. That's addiction. I'm still young, though. I can't imagine how addicted some older people are. It makes me wish I could get my dad to stop... but even insinuating that he drinks too much brings on the excuses and defensiveness. I'm trying to get out of this thing early.
 
2013-01-21 02:43:46 PM  

jgi: you have pee hands: Alcohol in moderation isn't even harmful.

If alcohol isn't harmful at its core, why should one need to moderate it? Why do people "like" it? What do they really "like" about it? Ultimately, it's an expensive way to slowly poison yourself. It's also addicting. No drug addict starts out saying, "I'd really like to get addicted to this!" It just happens. I've recently realized that I have a bit of a problem with alcohol... one facet of the problem is that I can't stop once I've started. It makes me feel pathetic. It makes me feel like I don't have control. That's addiction. I'm still young, though. I can't imagine how addicted some older people are. It makes me wish I could get my dad to stop... but even insinuating that he drinks too much brings on the excuses and defensiveness. I'm trying to get out of this thing early.


Don't project your failures onto other people. And don't be stupid: even healthy food needs to be moderated as it can be harmful if consumed in excess.
 
jgi
2013-01-21 02:53:35 PM  

WhippingBoy: Don't project your failures onto other people. And don't be stupid: even healthy food needs to be moderated as it can be harmful if consumed in excess.


You're the one saying it's alcohol or a shotgun. That sounds pretty damn abysmal. And since you asked for my opinion: alcohol is the cause of your depression. Surprise! It's not your overeating of broccoli, buddy. I'm learning from my failures; maybe you should give it a try?
 
2013-01-21 02:53:38 PM  

jgi: you have pee hands: Alcohol in moderation isn't even harmful.

If alcohol isn't harmful at its core, why should one need to moderate it? Why do people "like" it? What do they really "like" about it? Ultimately, it's an expensive way to slowly poison yourself. It's also addicting. No drug addict starts out saying, "I'd really like to get addicted to this!" It just happens. I've recently realized that I have a bit of a problem with alcohol... one facet of the problem is that I can't stop once I've started. It makes me feel pathetic. It makes me feel like I don't have control. That's addiction. I'm still young, though. I can't imagine how addicted some older people are. It makes me wish I could get my dad to stop... but even insinuating that he drinks too much brings on the excuses and defensiveness. I'm trying to get out of this thing early.


It's good that you're recognizing that you have a problem with alcohol, but don't project that onto everyone. There are millions and millions of people who enjoy alcohol without having a problem with it, there's no need to complain that they all must stop because you need to.

Alcohol isn't "harmful at its core" as you mention, in fact it's incredibly helpful in many ways. However, as with many things in life, if you do it to excess it can be harmful. Hell, the sun is helpful, but if you overdo it you get cancer. Is the sun harmful at its core? Of course not, and neither is alcohol, sex, or online porn, all things that people can get addicted to and have problems with if they do them to excess.
 
2013-01-21 02:58:39 PM  
As a follow-up to my above comment, here's evidence about the health benefits from the Mayo Clinic's web site:

Link
Health benefits of moderate alcohol use

Moderate alcohol consumption may provide some health benefits. It may:

Reduce your risk of developing heart disease
Reduce your risk of dying of a heart attack
Possibly reduce your risk of strokes, particularly ischemic strokes
Lower your risk of gallstones
Possibly reduce your risk of diabetes
Even so, the evidence about the possible health benefits of alcohol isn't certain, and alcohol may not benefit everyone who drinks.
 
2013-01-21 03:00:39 PM  

jgi: WhippingBoy: Don't project your failures onto other people. And don't be stupid: even healthy food needs to be moderated as it can be harmful if consumed in excess.

You're the one saying it's alcohol or a shotgun. That sounds pretty damn abysmal. And since you asked for my opinion: alcohol is the cause of your depression. Surprise! It's not your overeating of broccoli, buddy. I'm learning from my failures; maybe you should give it a try?


That was intended to be a joke. It was pretty lame, I'll admit.
I consume alcohol on a regular basis (in relative moderation; I don't get "blotto"). I like the way it tastes and the way it makes me feel. For me, it has enhanced the pleasure of my life.
 
jgi
2013-01-21 03:06:42 PM  

dennerman: As a follow-up to my above comment, here's evidence about the health benefits from the Mayo Clinic's web site:


I'm not trying to start any kind of heated debate here. But really, you're suggesting that some alcohol is better than no alcohol? Dude, it's a farce. Look at the last item on the list you posted. Also, look at the first line from your link: "Alcohol use is a slippery slope. Moderate drinking can offer some health benefits. But it's easy to drink too heavily, leading to serious health consequences." It's the same as the guy above who said "even healthy foods need to be moderated." It's all just weird excuses to drink.

Stop drinking for a month or so and see how you feel. If you can't bare to imagine what a month would be like without alcohol, that sounds like a problem.
 
2013-01-21 03:15:24 PM  

dennerman: As a follow-up to my above comment, here's evidence about the health benefits from the Mayo Clinic's web site:

Link
Health benefits of moderate alcohol use

Moderate alcohol consumption may provide some health benefits. It may:

Reduce your risk of developing heart disease
Reduce your risk of dying of a heart attack
Possibly reduce your risk of strokes, particularly ischemic strokes
Lower your risk of gallstones
Possibly reduce your risk of diabetes
Even so, the evidence about the possible health benefits of alcohol isn't certain, and alcohol may not benefit everyone who drinks.


Alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all life's problems
 
2013-01-21 03:21:48 PM  
We drink

you have pee hands: PIP_the_TROLL: Sure, you may have discerning tastes concerning the delivery system, but in the end it's the alcohol and its effect on you that you're after. Otherwise there'd be a booming non-alcoholic drinks market and there isn't. (I know non-alcoholic beers and stuff exist but they're a tiny market).

Do any non alcoholic beers taste decent? I've never really wanted to spend $8 on a six pack of O Douls but I've always assumed it would taste like Natty Lite.


We drink these (and similar) a lot here in the Caribbean / Central America region:

static.caloriecount.about.com

Made of many of the same materials as beer but non-alcoholic. They're sugary and delicious. You should try them. :)
 
2013-01-21 03:23:17 PM  

jgi: dennerman: As a follow-up to my above comment, here's evidence about the health benefits from the Mayo Clinic's web site:

I'm not trying to start any kind of heated debate here. But really, you're suggesting that some alcohol is better than no alcohol? Dude, it's a farce. Look at the last item on the list you posted. Also, look at the first line from your link: "Alcohol use is a slippery slope. Moderate drinking can offer some health benefits. But it's easy to drink too heavily, leading to serious health consequences." It's the same as the guy above who said "even healthy foods need to be moderated." It's all just weird excuses to drink.

Stop drinking for a month or so and see how you feel. If you can't bare to imagine what a month would be like without alcohol, that sounds like a problem.


The general consensus of the medical community is that moderate alcohol consumption provides some health benefits (the key being moderate).
Numerous studies have shown that the relationship to alcohol consumption and mortality follows a u-shaped curve (that is, mortality rates are greater for people who drink no alcohol or who drink alcohol to excess than they are for people who consume moderate amounts (1-4 drinks per day)).

Link
 
2013-01-21 03:29:26 PM  

jgi: dennerman: As a follow-up to my above comment, here's evidence about the health benefits from the Mayo Clinic's web site:

I'm not trying to start any kind of heated debate here. But really, you're suggesting that some alcohol is better than no alcohol? Dude, it's a farce. Look at the last item on the list you posted. Also, look at the first line from your link: "Alcohol use is a slippery slope. Moderate drinking can offer some health benefits. But it's easy to drink too heavily, leading to serious health consequences." It's the same as the guy above who said "even healthy foods need to be moderated." It's all just weird excuses to drink.

Stop drinking for a month or so and see how you feel. If you can't bare to imagine what a month would be like without alcohol, that sounds like a problem.


My comment was more meant to refute your statement that alcohol is harmful at its core. Is no alcohol better than moderate alcohol, I honestly don't know, in moderation it may be better to have some rather than none. I think a good contrast is cigarettes. That's something that has no redeeming health benefit at all and used even in moderation will still kill you slowly. I think your statement about a way to poison yourself slowly applies perfectly to smoking, but not at all to moderate alcohol consumption.

And yes, I totally know alcohol is an addictive substance and is abused way more often than something like sitting out in the sun too often. My point, if I even have one, is more that you can't label a substance that can be used without any ill effects as something that's harmful to everyone. If you go down that road, there's a slippery slope for you, you'll have to label half of everything humans consume as harmful, we could start with anything that makes us fat. Heck, that would be more than half of what we consume :-)
 
jgi
2013-01-21 03:43:46 PM  

WhippingBoy: The general consensus of the medical community is that moderate alcohol consumption provides some health benefits (the key being moderate).
Numerous studies have shown that the relationship to alcohol consumption and mortality follows a u-shaped curve (that is, mortality rates are greater for people who drink no alcohol or who drink alcohol to excess than they are for people who consume moderate amounts (1-4 drinks per day)).


Answer, if you read both the end of the abstract and the end summary of the article: we are unsure.

dennerman: My comment was more meant to refute your statement that alcohol is harmful at its core...


I'm not trying to say you shouldn't drink; every man should be allowed his freedom to do to his body as he sees fit. But at the most basic level, alcohol is indeed a poison. Why do you think if you drink too much of it you die? Why do you have a massive hangover when you over-do it? If it's not bad for you, why do you have to moderate it? If you don't feel you can have fun at a social function without alcohol, what does that say?

I am (or... was?) a drinker. I don't know anymore. Something's changing as I ask these questions. I don't expect to change anybody else (that's not my role), I just feel the more I talk to people about these things, the more excuses I hear. Look at the article; Kathie Lee announced she was going a month with no alcohol and she only lasted a week. Her excuse? "You can't have a book launch without wine." It sounds exactly like the tag suggests -- Sad. That's all.
 
2013-01-21 03:44:37 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: OhioUGrad: ...so if she'd been drinking every day M-F and took a month off her liver could heal itself to a certain point....

Just how fast do you think she can regenerate? Pretty sure she's not Wolverine.


that would be the key to me saying "to a point..."
 
2013-01-21 03:46:27 PM  

WhippingBoy: imfallen_angel: The way I see it, if a person needs alcohol or anything else (stimulants) to enjoy life, it just speaks volume about their lives.

I don't need it to enjoy life; I need it to get through life. It's either drink alcohol or eat a shotgun; I'll take the alcohol.


Understanding that you're trying to put humour in the context here, I see no issues with people having a drink, it's when it goes over the line that it goes downhill.

you have pee hands: WhippingBoy:
Non alcoholic Becks or Warsteiner are relatively decent. O'Douls... not so much (imho).

I'm not that crazy about regular Becks for what it costs. I guess I aught to try the stuff once just to see how it is. Hmm.

imfallen_angel: The way I see it, if a person needs alcohol or anything else (stimulants) to enjoy life, it just speaks volume about their lives.

What if you just like it? There's tons of shiat most people do every day that they don't need to. Coffee, beer, smoking, TV, video games, Fark, chocolate, whatever. Alcohol in moderation isn't even harmful.


Again, same answer. There a few things that I quite enjoyed at some point, nothing wrong with that.

But the question stands as per: can you enjoy life, have fun without it? If yes, no problem....if no,then problem.

Could you let it go and not find yourself "hungering" for it? For many, the answer is bound to scare them, if they are honest about it.

I also find that how some process it can be quite important to their consumption... I've seen many have what I'd describe as an allergic reaction to it... Not rashes or swelling, but full personality changes over barely a single beer.... Now those people shouldn't drink ever.
 
2013-01-21 03:52:18 PM  
She may be an drunkard and older and yet I find her attractive and would tag it all night long.
 
2013-01-21 03:52:46 PM  
Meh. Whatever.

Don't tell me how to live my life; I won't tell you how to live yours (unless I'm drunk).
 
2013-01-21 03:58:40 PM  

jgi: WhippingBoy: The general consensus of the medical community is that moderate alcohol consumption provides some health benefits (the key being moderate).
Numerous studies have shown that the relationship to alcohol consumption and mortality follows a u-shaped curve (that is, mortality rates are greater for people who drink no alcohol or who drink alcohol to excess than they are for people who consume moderate amounts (1-4 drinks per day)).

Answer, if you read both the end of the abstract and the end summary of the article: we are unsure.

dennerman: My comment was more meant to refute your statement that alcohol is harmful at its core...

I'm not trying to say you shouldn't drink; every man should be allowed his freedom to do to his body as he sees fit. But at the most basic level, alcohol is indeed a poison. Why do you think if you drink too much of it you die? Why do you have a massive hangover when you over-do it? If it's not bad for you, why do you have to moderate it? If you don't feel you can have fun at a social function without alcohol, what does that say?

I am (or... was?) a drinker. I don't know anymore. Something's changing as I ask these questions. I don't expect to change anybody else (that's not my role), I just feel the more I talk to people about these things, the more excuses I hear. Look at the article; Kathie Lee announced she was going a month with no alcohol and she only lasted a week. Her excuse? "You can't have a book launch without wine." It sounds exactly like the tag suggests -- Sad. That's all.


I don't think we disagree by much. I don't drink what I would consider to be a lot, but I'd like to think that if I ever crossed a line, couldn't stop, or started feeling like I couldn't enjoy life without it, then I'd be self-aware enough to recognize that and take a step back. It sounds like you're taking a difficult step right now and asking similar questions and that's to be deeply respected.

I still disagree that alcohol is a poison, don't forget that even drinking too much water will kill you (Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or dilutional hyponatremia), for different reasons than alcohol of course, but it all goes back to the moderation vs. excess point from before. It's the dosage that makes the poison. "Toxicologists emphasize that "the dosage makes the poison." Although salt, water, oxygen, aspirin, alcohol beverages, and many other substances can cause poisoning in excessive amounts, it makes no sense to call them poisons." from Link.
 
2013-01-21 04:21:26 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Made of many of the same materials as beer but non-alcoholic. They're sugary and delicious. You should try them. :)


I pick one up if I see them but I generally don't like sugary drinks.

jgi: Stop drinking for a month or so and see how you feel. If you can't bare to imagine what a month would be like without alcohol, that sounds like a problem.


Give up meat for a month and get all your protein from tofu and beans. Sure, I could, and millions of people all over the world already do, but I don't want to so I won't. Give up sex for a month, or hot showers, or television. There are tons of daily luxuries that I wouldn't want to go without. Am I addicted to all of these things? I guess it's possible, but it doesn't seem particularly harmful so I'm not going to spend too much time worrying about it. I'm not an ascetic monk. There are a huge number of occasional or daily drinkers who never became alcoholics.
 
2013-01-21 05:10:03 PM  
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She used to be kind of hot.
 
2013-01-21 05:23:03 PM  
Trackball:

Why do we still need alcohol in our society? We have filtered water now.

And boiling. And chlorine, once we abandon the purity of our bodily fluids.


Drinking booze in any form is barbaric and unnecessary.

Welcome to Fark.
 
2013-01-21 05:30:29 PM  
jgi:

I've also learned that I make very poor decisions when I'm drinking.

Um, O fellow Farker, nobody drinks to improve their decision-making.

As for me, I have very little to lose by drinking: no job, no car, no family, no friends, no life... As long as my liver & pancreas hold up, why not?
 
2013-01-21 05:31:49 PM  
MayoSlather:

My life is simply too important to me to risk having a life.

Will you marry me?
 
rka
2013-01-21 05:33:38 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: rka: Giving up alcohol for 1 month is about as useless as those people who say they are going to go on some sort of "social media" or "email" diet and try to go a month without looking at their iPhone. Or those who try to claim their "detox" diet actually does anything at all.

I gave up beer for one month and I dropped over ten pounds without changing any other aspect of my life style. You don't know WTF you are talking about.


Should have kept going and dropped another 50. As it is, you were able to fit into your 1 size smaller pants for exactly 1 week before you gained another 20.

Seriously though, 1 month is useless to gauge these things. Research shows it takes around 66 days for a person to develop a meaningful habit or lifestyle change. Want to commit 2-3 months and see what happens? That's useful.
 
2013-01-22 08:00:04 AM  

praymantis: She may be an drunkard and older and yet I find her attractive and would tag it all night long.


I also would wreck it. You know The Giff hasn't paid proper attention to that in decades, and many gigs of MILF porn have taught me that she would be an animal.
 
2013-01-22 12:16:28 PM  
I'm with Zoidberg. I drink at least a six pack every night.

I don't care if I'm an alcoholic. Beer is the only thing that makes my life semi bearable. Without it, I would have already killed myself. -
 
2013-01-22 05:38:05 PM  

A Terrible Human: Slow To Return: 9.5/10 ... Only because you took it a *tad* too far with the Lamictal

Wait how was that a troll? What am I missing? As far as anti epilepsy drugs go neurontin is rather benign compared to shiat like phenytoin.


I wasn't grading his ability to troll, I was grading his ability to write compelling fiction.
 
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