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(NPR)   More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good, and since we don't have a Derek Zoolander to build a center, we must change the reading standards instead of actually identifying and fixing the cause   ( divider line
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2013-01-20 08:48:41 PM  
7 votes:

Mentat: What's there to identify?  Read to your kids when they're young.

LOL your soopid--YOLO!
2013-01-20 10:51:03 PM  
3 votes:

Pffft, why do the kids need to learn to read?
2013-01-20 09:41:53 PM  
3 votes: 

2013-01-20 09:12:53 PM  
3 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Am I the only one who finds it ironic that subby couldn't comprehend the contents of the article?   Nobody's changed the standards - in point of fact that's the central tenet of the article.  Reading scores have dropped, and so there is a new curriculum designed to raise them.

What I suspect is happening with reading scores is that it's easier than ever to skip the major works by scoping the Internet for the basic plot and some nuggets to make the teacher think the book has been read.  It's much harder to do that with non-fiction works, critical essays and things of the sort.

I'm not sure what Common Core is, but a 70/30 mix of non-fiction to fiction is not a terrible thing, in my opinion.  The ability to digest complex written ideas is of primary importance.  I love literature, and believe that critical genres and authors should be introduced universally by the end of high school, but we have a tendency to over-do many of the genres.  I'm also doubtful of its necessity for reading comprehension. For example reading Shakespeare is important, but more than one or two of his works is unnecessary.   High school lit should be like tapas.  Small servings of a wide variety of genres.

TL; DR.  Chk out my Twitter feed!
2013-01-20 10:34:45 PM  
2 votes:
There's only one thing that will help: ORANGE MOCHA FRAPPUCCINO!
2013-01-20 09:50:22 PM  
2 votes:
Fifty percent of school kids are sub-median. We must lower the standards.

Why doesn't this work?

Let's do it again!
2013-01-20 09:38:29 PM  
2 votes:
We should ban high capacity magazines.

/there's as much evidence it will improve reading as reducing gun violence afterall
2013-01-20 09:31:04 PM  
2 votes:

Babwa Wawa: but we have a tendency to over-do many of the genres.

I am all for whatever reduces studying Melville or Dickens.  I read a quite a bit, but for the life of me I can't read anything by those two without feeling like I'm doing work.
2013-01-21 08:52:33 AM  
1 vote:
At what point do we get to raise the bar and turn this thread into a giant recommended reading list, wherein everyone posts their favorite reads?

/end threadjack
2013-01-21 08:32:41 AM  
1 vote:
The High Council of Conservative Douchenozzles exchanges glances and nods in silent approval.
2013-01-21 07:42:30 AM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I turned 31 today and most of my friends don't read. Most people don't read. I do not think this is news from the past 3k years or so.

I'm 48 and many of my friends don't read. Very few of my friends read for pleasure, although more read for information. Guess what: Lots of people dislike reading. It's not something that you can "teach", I don't think. Either you enjoy it very much--and you're like me and have at least 400 books in your house at any one time--or you don't, and seldom buy any kind of book and rarely read any.

I guess you can teach people how to read, and how to spot themes in stories and how to research and whatnot; but you can't really teach kids to like to read. Either they do or they don't. This isn't some new phenomenon. We could be teaching kids how to research and study better, but we'll never teach them to like to read.

I was reading on a fifth grade level when I entered kindergarten, and my parents were so proud.

Today? Long books just bore me. I'm good at reading, but it just doesn't interest me. However, if you put me in front of a computer, or give me a soldering iron and let me at some components, or let me play around with any broken machine, or turn your back on me with a bunch of household chemicals, I do really cool things.

I'm a tinkerer; an engineer. And to me, books basically broadcast what's going to happen, and are pre-constructed worlds, but when I start playing with my toys, I am creating my own world where I don't know what will happen next until I connect that wire, mix that chemical, compile that code, or flick that switch.
2013-01-21 07:15:31 AM  
1 vote:
Lowering the standards = leveling the playing field.
2013-01-21 06:00:34 AM  
1 vote:

Kevin72: 54 days out of 180 to learn how to use a condom? Really? Really? Each and every year? Really?

It's working, so shut your mouth before you get condom in it, it's day one for some poor kid.
2013-01-21 05:09:27 AM  
1 vote:

ModernLuddite: Does anyone here work with or associate with anyone who can write worth a damn?

I think it's becoming a gay thing.
2013-01-21 03:57:10 AM  
1 vote:

EdNortonsTwin: Take away a kids toys and electronics, restrict them to their room for reasonable amounts of time with access to some good books, and they will learn to like it.

Staring at the wall gets old.

I have a couple of young Asian boys in my crawlspace that have become very good readers. I can't wait to see what they are like when they finally come out when they're adults.
2013-01-21 12:47:11 AM  
1 vote:

gregscott: The article is an excellent example of a failed system failing to correct itself, and while outlining the problem, the article offers no effective solution. This is why you should home school, if you care about your kids and their education. Because nobody knows your kids like you do, and (gasp) nobody cares about them like you do. And the professionals can't do the job as well as you can.

I would believe in homeschooling as the solution if I believed even 1% of the population of parents is qualified and relied upon to teach up to high school level in ALL of the following subjects:

* Grammar & Spelling
* Literature
* US History
* World History
* Biology
* Chemistry
* Physics
* Algebra
* Geometry
* Trigonometry
* Calculus

In other words, there's no way in hell homeschooling in general* can replace education by professional educators.

I think the only thing homeschooling can be shown to be effective in teaching is that Jesus rode on dinosaurs and that the earth is 6000 years old.

*I'm sure YOUR parents are the 1% that can effectively teach in all of the above subjects.
2013-01-21 12:44:10 AM  
1 vote:
No, miss teacher! Our child is not illiterate. We were married three months before he was born.
2013-01-21 12:35:21 AM  
1 vote:

Summer Glau's Love Slave: [ image 251x251]

I hope no one gets a seizure looking at that.
2013-01-20 11:21:23 PM  
1 vote:

red5ish: "So many kids, often as many as 50 percent, graduate high school ... demonstrably not ready for the demands of a first-year college course or job-training program," says David Coleman, president of the College Board, a nonprofit membership organization that administers standardized tests like the SAT.

"To graduate" is a verb, and it can be both transitive and intransitive. A transitive verb takes an object and an intransitive verb doesn't. The school may graduate students (transitive verb) but a student graduates from school (intransitive verb). I can't imagine how the president of the College Board could make this mistake; he sounds illiterate.

[ image 400x225]

My high school graduated a cylinder once. Our science teacher told us about it.
2013-01-20 11:01:46 PM  
1 vote:

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: IAmTheTagTeamChampions: doyner: IAmTheTagTeamChampions: /DNRTFA

Just let this nugget sink in.

Just finished, relaized realized TFA was talking about standards as in Common Core, and realized my comment was not relevant (though I stand by it).

Head hung, snark deserved, etc. My bad.

I'm just gonna quit right here. I wonder why the quality of education is so bad...

Rarely is the question asked, "is our teachers learning?"
2013-01-20 10:54:09 PM  
1 vote:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Vectron: So to be honest, I don't think there is an education problem for white kids. The national numbers goes down as their percentage of the population goes down.

Why SIR you sound just like those racists who say that gun violence is not really a problem in the US because, if you subtracted the gun homicides committed by minorities, the firearms murder rate of white Americans would be comparable to that of European countries; and although those people are technically correct they must be failing to take into account.... ah, racism and... ah... er...

Facts are racist in our Orwellian PC USofA.
2013-01-20 10:52:55 PM  
1 vote:

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: I'd ask the assembled to weigh in on attempting to identify the problems and raise achievement rather than lower standards, but I feel that type of idea is utterly ridiculous.


How is it that the problems have not already been identified? Almost every year there is a new study or "blue ribbon committee" established to look into education reform. And, really, what is there to discover? The reason our kids don't know anything is because they aren't being taught anything. When your curriculum is 30% how-to-use-a-condom, 30% look-how-evil-the-white-man-is and 40% the-government-can-solve-all-your-problems, it doesn't leave any time for the three Rs.
2013-01-20 10:46:37 PM  
1 vote:
I blame the parents. When I was a kid, I got my ass whipped bloody if I brought home a B. It worked; I went to college on an academic scholarship, where I learned the proper use of the semi-colon.
2013-01-20 10:32:45 PM  
1 vote:

Kittypie070: SpaceBison: [ image 540x720]

I am so motherf**king sick of that motherf**king image.

No offense, SpaceBison, nothing personal against you at all.

I just hate that thing so gods damned much, no matter why it was created.

How about this one?
2013-01-20 10:22:08 PM  
1 vote:
I did a little reading on this and what a relief it is to find that White Children are not doing any worse. Whew.

It seems that adding more minorities to our country and expecting them to perform the same as white kids is causing problems. Especially when you don't want higher education to look too white.

Here's one solution:

Florida Passes Plan For Racially-Based Academic Goals

Then there is that persistant black / white gap.

On average, black students typically score one standard deviation below white students on standardized tests-roughly the difference in performance between the average 4th grader and the average 8th grader. Historically, what has come to be known as the black-white test-score gap has emerged before children enter kindergarten and has tended to widen over time.

And now we find out that Head Start has been a waste of money!

HHS' latest Head Start Impact Study found taxpayers aren't getting a good return on this "investment." According to the congressionally-mandated report, Head Start has little to no impact on cognitive, social-emotional, health, or parenting practices of its participants. In fact, on a few measures, access to the program actually produced negative effects.
The HHS' scientifically-rigorous study tracked 5,000 children who were randomly assigned to either a group receiving Head Start services or a group that did not participate in Head Start. It followed their progression from ages three or four through the end of third grade. The third-grade evaluation is a continuation to HHS' first-grade study, which followed children through the end of first grade.

The first-grade evaluation found that any benefits the children may have accrued while in the Head

So to be honest, I don't think there is an education problem for white kids. The national numbers goes down as their percentage of the population goes down.

This diversity thing is becoming a pain in the ass.
2013-01-20 10:08:00 PM  
1 vote:

The Southern Dandy: So....what your saying is ...we don't need to know English become the president of the College Board?

No! What I meant was...oh fark it all. We now return you to your regular programming already in progress.
2013-01-20 10:04:47 PM  
1 vote:
This thread makes me wish I were illiterate.
2013-01-20 10:04:24 PM  
1 vote:
2013-01-20 09:59:02 PM  
1 vote:

iaazathot: RabidJade: Proteios1: And people wonder why public education is no longer a sacred cow. They have been failing students on so many levels. It's sad because public education is one of the pillars of. Stable notion nd I can't help but see the connection between our weak public Ed and a faltering nation.

Parents who think teaching their children is someone else's problem and actively stay out of their kid's education until they get a call from the school are just as much to blame for this.

Of course, parents who do this are labled "helicopter parents" by the school system and other parents. Our culture is so confused right now, and that is by design. If we have really smart kids then the charlatans can't stay in power in religion or politics (I mean Rick Perry is a governor FFS).

You can't sell useless crap if people have critical thinking skills or understand statisitcs.

Without critical thinking skills, people also tend to smell conspiracy where there's none
2013-01-20 09:54:19 PM  
1 vote:
To get students to think deeper about a story, for example, Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, a novel with deceptively simple language, is paired with Malcolm Gladwell's New Yorker piece that alleges it is an elitist story.

Will they also teach kids that Malcolm Gladwell is a douche bag who will say anything so he can get people talking about his latest essay?

The downside, however, is that there is only so much time in a school year, and students can't read everything. Certain compromises, like abridging plays by Shakespeare and other storied authors, have to be made.

In the audio version they talk a bit more how they only read a few chapters from "Julius Caesar." What a joke to call that education.
2013-01-20 09:51:30 PM  
1 vote:

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: /DNRTFA

Just let this nugget sink in.
2013-01-20 09:46:37 PM  
1 vote:

Contribution Corsair: I have a theory on this and English class in general for example.

We don't really have a NEED for anything but the basics in our society as a whole.  There is not really any solid reason to have above a very basic ability to read, write, or even speak for that matter, as most of the common thoughts and ideas we need to communicate within our society have been distilled down to be recognizable or intelligible to the lowest common denominator.

If people are not challenged to develop and learn and maintain a higher level, why will they retain or teach their own children similar skills or even try to reinforce learning a higher level than they use day to day?  Yes, we try to teach it, but what are we doing to make it so that the people USE that knowledge or retain it.  Similar to many sciences and mathematics  we teach it but many people don't LEARN it because...why remember or retain that knowledge if it is never used except by a small fraction of them?

I tend to think that there is some value in getting it in to kids' heads that there are things like science and math out there that have a good idea how the universe works, rather than 'magic' or 'god'. Not from the standpoint of wanting to deny them faith, but rather to help keep politicians and religious leaders in check. I fully acknowledge this has been only marginally successful.
2013-01-20 09:42:55 PM  
1 vote:

Nuclear Monk: amquelbettamin: We should ban high capacity magazines.

/there's as much evidence it will improve reading as reducing gun violence afterall

No..if anything, magazines with MORE articles will at least help stop the slide. They need less ads too.

2013-01-20 09:40:52 PM  
1 vote:

amquelbettamin: We should ban high capacity magazines.

/there's as much evidence it will improve reading as reducing gun violence afterall

No..if anything, magazines with MORE articles will at least help stop the slide. They need less ads too.
2013-01-20 09:40:46 PM  
1 vote:
More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good

They apparently don't write well either.
2013-01-20 09:40:45 PM  
1 vote:
You took God out of books!
2013-01-20 09:40:35 PM  
1 vote:

StoPPeRmobile: Ban guns!

I was going to laugh at you for a shiatty troll attempt, but then I figured out that's probably the only sentence you can read or type.
2013-01-20 09:39:25 PM  
1 vote:

StoPPeRmobile: Ban guns!

Arghh beat me to it
2013-01-20 09:38:25 PM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: Babwa Wawa: but we have a tendency to over-do many of the genres.

I am all for whatever reduces studying Melville or Dickens.  I read a quite a bit, but for the life of me I can't read anything by those two without feeling like I'm doing work.

These guys wrote in the days when authors were paid by the word.
2013-01-20 09:36:41 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah.....we're gonna need more taxes.
2013-01-20 09:21:17 PM  
1 vote:
Surely there must be a way we can blame this on guns.
2013-01-20 09:15:06 PM  
1 vote:
I don't know what's wrong with these kids today!
Who can understand anything they say?
2013-01-20 08:56:21 PM  
1 vote:
F*ck it. They're doomed anyway.

Teach them to make meth. At least they'll learn a trade.
2013-01-20 08:34:11 PM  
1 vote:
What's there to identify?  Read to your kids when they're young.
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