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(NPR)   More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good, and since we don't have a Derek Zoolander to build a center, we must change the reading standards instead of actually identifying and fixing the cause   (npr.org) divider line 416
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2013-01-20 09:57:32 PM  
Welcome to Sagan's nightmare.

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance"

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
 
2013-01-20 09:57:48 PM  

IAmTheTagTeamChampions: doyner: IAmTheTagTeamChampions: /DNRTFA
//teacher

Just let this nugget sink in.

Just finished, relaized realized TFA was talking about standards as in Common Core, and realized my comment was not relevant (though I stand by it).

Head hung, snark deserved, etc. My bad.


I'm just gonna quit right here. I wonder why the quality of education is so bad...
 
2013-01-20 09:58:19 PM  
I s don need no reedin skils. Obama sed he wil pay us fur white mans in justis. Obamah obamah obamah.
 
2013-01-20 09:58:21 PM  

BravadoGT: Surely there must be a way we can blame this on guns.


Don't call me Shirley.
 
2013-01-20 09:59:02 PM  

iaazathot: RabidJade: Proteios1: And people wonder why public education is no longer a sacred cow. They have been failing students on so many levels. It's sad because public education is one of the pillars of. Stable notion nd I can't help but see the connection between our weak public Ed and a faltering nation.

Parents who think teaching their children is someone else's problem and actively stay out of their kid's education until they get a call from the school are just as much to blame for this.

Of course, parents who do this are labled "helicopter parents" by the school system and other parents. Our culture is so confused right now, and that is by design. If we have really smart kids then the charlatans can't stay in power in religion or politics (I mean Rick Perry is a governor FFS).

You can't sell useless crap if people have critical thinking skills or understand statisitcs.


Without critical thinking skills, people also tend to smell conspiracy where there's none
 
2013-01-20 09:59:40 PM  
No one lowers standards, but developmental rates have not changed, nor has working memory. Further, raising standards without altering the structure of school is quick to place the reform in the growing failed pile...

Babwa Wawa: Nobody's changed the standards - in point of fact that's the central tenet of the article.  Reading scores have dropped, and so there is a new curriculum designed to raise them.


Common Core is a shift in standards which helps to build later content on previous standards, reduce excessive standards, and reduce processes for knowledge in standards as well as this split between literature and informational texts; this is not a curriculum itself. CCSS is not a curriculum itself and is actually less prescriptive for curriculum than the vast majority of state standards.
 
2013-01-20 10:00:26 PM  

Vodka Zombie: They don't need to read.  They just need to be smart enough to push a button on a machine.


Taco Bell's been using pictures instead of words for quite a while.

And I'm pretty sure their workforce is mostly English majors.

Excuse me while I go weep for the future of our nation.
 
2013-01-20 10:00:56 PM  
identifying and fixing the cause


The cause is stupid, and stupid can't be fixed.
 
2013-01-20 10:01:04 PM  

red5ish: "So many kids, often as many as 50 percent, graduate high school ... demonstrably not ready for the demands of a first-year college course or job-training program," says David Coleman, president of the College Board, a nonprofit membership organization that administers standardized tests like the SAT.


"To graduate" is a verb, and it can be both transitive and intransitive. A transitive verb takes an object and an intransitive verb doesn't. The school may graduate students (transitive verb) but a student graduates from school (intransitive verb). I can't imagine how the president of the College Board could make this mistake; he sounds illiterate.

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So....what your saying is ...we don't need to know English good...to become the president of the College Board?
 
2013-01-20 10:02:19 PM  
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2013-01-20 10:02:22 PM  
Crap at reading and spelling?

There's an excuse for that.

You can call it dyslexia. Happy now? You're not dumb as fark and don't try, you have dyslexia. It's not your fault. It's not your fault....

Is dyslexia just a myth?
Dyslexia: a big, expensive myth
 
2013-01-20 10:03:45 PM  

red5ish: "To graduate" is a verb, and it can be both transitive and intransitive. A transitive verb takes an object and an intransitive verb doesn't. The school may graduate students (transitive verb) but a student graduates from school (intransitive verb). I can't imagine how the president of the College Board could make this mistake; he sounds illiterate.


It's idiomatic, biatch!
 
2013-01-20 10:03:53 PM  

cyberspacedout: WhippingBoy: CruiserTwelve: More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good

They apparently don't write well either.

*sigh*

Was the grammatical error in the headline not intentionally made? I'd have done it.


I don't rite good, but what, u xpekt, I caint fit inna dam bildin
 
2013-01-20 10:04:24 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-20 10:04:47 PM  
This thread makes me wish I were illiterate.
 
2013-01-20 10:05:45 PM  

enry: My daughter is 10 and her mother still reads to her every night. They went to B&N today to get books and I'm constantly getting notices from the library about her soon-to-be-overdue books.

/yeah yeah, first world problems


if there were more parents like you we wouldn't have subby links like this one. things will get much worse as the self-involved cell phone baby makers of today do an even worse job with their stinky diaper factories.
 
2013-01-20 10:05:59 PM  

Contribution Corsair: I have a theory


I have a suggestion for some light reading reading, speaking of education.
 
2013-01-20 10:06:52 PM  
Reading books is a good way to learn grammar and writing. I would not, however, recommend reading newspapers. Seriously, I have no idea when every newspaper in the U.S. decided to stop employing copy editors. I can't even get through an edition of my local newspaper, and the news links I read on Fark are equally poorly-written.
 
2013-01-20 10:07:32 PM  
Can't have a first world country with a third world population.
 
2013-01-20 10:08:00 PM  

The Southern Dandy: So....what your saying is ...we don't need to know English good...to become the president of the College Board?


No! What I meant was...oh fark it all. We now return you to your regular programming already in progress.
img689.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-20 10:08:39 PM  
Funny. I watched that movie today.
 
2013-01-20 10:08:39 PM  
Unionizing teachers has brought us here.
 
2013-01-20 10:11:46 PM  
The grammar in that headline is making my eyes bleed.
 
2013-01-20 10:12:55 PM  

fnordfocus: red5ish: "To graduate" is a verb, and it can be both transitive and intransitive. A transitive verb takes an object and an intransitive verb doesn't. The school may graduate students (transitive verb) but a student graduates from school (intransitive verb). I can't imagine how the president of the College Board could make this mistake; he sounds illiterate.

It's idiomatic, biatch!


It's grammatically incorrect, biatch.
imageshack.us
We are not Nazis, but when we speak, you listen.
 
2013-01-20 10:15:26 PM  
It should be: can't read well.
 
2013-01-20 10:15:48 PM  

red5ish: The Southern Dandy: So....what your saying is ...we don't need to know English good...to become the president of the College Board?

No! What I meant was...oh fark it all. We now return you to your regular programming already in progress.
[img689.imageshack.us image 668x375]


I have a cousin who saw Bigfoot once. That dumbass ain't never gonna be a College President. I told him "You coulda caught bigfoot just by putting a bunch of Unisom in a hamburger". Can you imagine how rich he'd be if he caught Bigfoot? Who doesn't carry a box of Unisom with them when they go camping? What a dumbass!

Oh, Two and half men is on now.
 
2013-01-20 10:16:45 PM  

amquelbettamin: We should ban high capacity magazines.


The Economist? National Geographic?
 
2013-01-20 10:17:16 PM  
largedon: Welcome to Sagan's nightmare.

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance"

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
 
2013-01-20 10:19:00 PM  

WhippingBoy: Lsherm: Babwa Wawa: but we have a tendency to over-do many of the genres.

I am all for whatever reduces studying Melville or Dickens.  I read a quite a bit, but for the life of me I can't read anything by those two without feeling like I'm doing work.

You think you've got it bad? In Canada, we had to read "The Handmaids Tale".


I didn't have to. Yay! The only one I remember reading for sure is To Kill a Mockingbird. I also remember covering hamlet, because they showed us the Mel Gibson movie after we read the play. The rest of whatever I took in HS english has escaped me.

/was in HS in the early 90's
//Fredericton, NB
 
2013-01-20 10:19:04 PM  

Phaeon: I feel that The Handmaids Tale is useful because it gets referenced a lot on FARK, especially when the article involves the GOP.


True enough: the idea of a Christian theocracy dominating the modern Western world is merely flattering leftist paranoia at a time when, among the religions, Christianity is in retreat and Islam is expanding its influence.
 
2013-01-20 10:20:27 PM  

CruiserTwelve: More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good

They apparently don't write well either.


Somebody hasn't seen Zoolander...
 
2013-01-20 10:20:33 PM  
Read a book, you little shiats. I had to.
 
2013-01-20 10:21:09 PM  
I'm almost at the point where I would pay my students to read. They don't read anything except the Internet. When I assign books, articles, poems, or anything written, all I hear is how difficult it is to read the  whole thing.

I've tried everything, too. Graphic novels, traditional novels, young adult, performance poetry (YouTube has some great poetry slam performances), you name it. I'm constantly wracking my brain to find stuff my kids will actually read. It's extremely frustrating. And sadly, more often than not, parents will tell me their child doesn't have time/can't/won't/whatever read, rather than trying to get them to read.

Not to mention the opportunities to cheat because of the Internet.

But yeah, blame the teachers. We've changed SO much since I was in school - when people actually would read.

//Get off my lawn.
 
2013-01-20 10:21:10 PM  
You want to see the problem. Look at home. Look at the asinine rhetoric on internet boards. Kids don't have discussions of real substance at home. Parents are too busy or incapable themselves. We want schools to fix society. Kids' ability to string together an argument that holds water is non-existent.

And by protecting their fragile egos we have taught them that failure is bad! You want your kid to be successful. Teach them to fail. Then teach them it's ok to fail. Teach them that after they fail they try again after having analyzed their first attempt (see first paragraph for the problem with that).
 
2013-01-20 10:22:08 PM  
I did a little reading on this and what a relief it is to find that White Children are not doing any worse. Whew.

It seems that adding more minorities to our country and expecting them to perform the same as white kids is causing problems. Especially when you don't want higher education to look too white.

Here's one solution:

Florida Passes Plan For Racially-Based Academic Goals


Then there is that persistant black / white gap.

On average, black students typically score one standard deviation below white students on standardized tests-roughly the difference in performance between the average 4th grader and the average 8th grader. Historically, what has come to be known as the black-white test-score gap has emerged before children enter kindergarten and has tended to widen over time.

And now we find out that Head Start has been a waste of money!


HHS' latest Head Start Impact Study found taxpayers aren't getting a good return on this "investment." According to the congressionally-mandated report, Head Start has little to no impact on cognitive, social-emotional, health, or parenting practices of its participants. In fact, on a few measures, access to the program actually produced negative effects.
The HHS' scientifically-rigorous study tracked 5,000 children who were randomly assigned to either a group receiving Head Start services or a group that did not participate in Head Start. It followed their progression from ages three or four through the end of third grade. The third-grade evaluation is a continuation to HHS' first-grade study, which followed children through the end of first grade.

The first-grade evaluation found that any benefits the children may have accrued while in the Head


So to be honest, I don't think there is an education problem for white kids. The national numbers goes down as their percentage of the population goes down.

This diversity thing is becoming a pain in the ass.
 
2013-01-20 10:22:09 PM  
It was my understanding that there would be no child left behind.
 
2013-01-20 10:24:12 PM  
There are so many easy ways to circumvent cheating- changing up books to read, making kids write papers in class, oral tests...but apparently, that would be too hard...for the schools.
 
2013-01-20 10:25:01 PM  
You mean reading "Twilight" is not all the education kids need? Shocking.
 
2013-01-20 10:25:23 PM  

The Southern Dandy: red5ish: The Southern Dandy: So....what your saying is ...we don't need to know English good...to become the president of the College Board?

No! What I meant was...oh fark it all. We now return you to your regular programming already in progress.
[img689.imageshack.us image 668x375]

I have a cousin who saw Bigfoot once. That dumbass ain't never gonna be a College President. I told him "You coulda caught bigfoot just by putting a bunch of Unisom in a hamburger". Can you imagine how rich he'd be if he caught Bigfoot? Who doesn't carry a box of Unisom with them when they go camping? What a dumbass!

Oh, Two and half men is on now.


Your cousin sounds like a dumbass an a half. You coulda been bazillionaires. There's a lotta good eatin on a bigfoot. Cook em real slow and the meat like to fall right off the bone.
 
2013-01-20 10:25:25 PM  

Lsherm: Babwa Wawa: but we have a tendency to over-do many of the genres.

I am all for whatever reduces studying Melville or Dickens.  I read a quite a bit, but for the life of me I can't read anything by those two without feeling like I'm doing work.


Hardy's more fun than Dickens anyways, but apparently we don't do fun in school.
 
2013-01-20 10:26:25 PM  

SpaceBison: [i.qkme.me image 540x720]


I am so motherf**king sick of that motherf**king image.

No offense, SpaceBison, nothing personal against you at all.

I just hate that thing so gods damned much, no matter why it was created.
 
2013-01-20 10:27:09 PM  
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

It's all part of the plan
 
2013-01-20 10:29:32 PM  
 
2013-01-20 10:30:01 PM  

Kittypie070: SpaceBison: [i.qkme.me image 540x720]

I am so motherf**king sick of that motherf**king image.

No offense, SpaceBison, nothing personal against you at all.

I just hate that thing so gods damned much, no matter why it was created.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-20 10:32:45 PM  

Kittypie070: SpaceBison: [i.qkme.me image 540x720]

I am so motherf**king sick of that motherf**king image.

No offense, SpaceBison, nothing personal against you at all.

I just hate that thing so gods damned much, no matter why it was created.


How about this one?
static.fjcdn.com
 
2013-01-20 10:34:41 PM  

amquelbettamin: StoPPeRmobile: Ban guns!

Arghh beat me to it


You're upset you were beaten to a joke that's already been beaten to the ground? Raise your standards.
 
2013-01-20 10:34:45 PM  
There's only one thing that will help: ORANGE MOCHA FRAPPUCCINO!
 
2013-01-20 10:36:54 PM  

Kimothy: I'm almost at the point where I would pay my students to read.


Have you considered becoming a strict, even frightening, teacher? Fear is a great motivator.
 
2013-01-20 10:39:27 PM  
BTW, if you think you hate Mellville, give him one more chance and read "Typee". It is very short, and you'll know by the second chapter if you want to finish it. That book would make an awesome movie if made today, what with the nudity and cannibalism and all.


As far as the reading problem, I once worked on a public awareness program to teach new parents of any class and income level what they could do help their kids achieve better literacy. There are lots of cheap or free little things to do, one of the easiest is to just bring home a newspaper, even a free, days-old copy - and lead them thru the pictures of their choice, reading the captions out loud and discussing the story. Ads, too. Anything. The newspapers and mags can also help teach them to start paying attention to current events at a young age, so they are smart about what's going on in the world. Old magazines are good for this too. You can get the free or dirt cheap at yard sales, thrift stores, and the like. Having reading materials always present, whatever they are, is the important thing. Helping them make flash cards or signs for common household objects also gets the kids familiar with the shapes of words way before preschool. And that's how we learn to read: we learn by associating the shape of letters to sounds, and the shape of words to concepts. That's why you try to use mixed-case letters as much as you can; it makes decoding word shape easier.

Whenever we went to the grocery store, I would put my baby girl on my shoulders and have her read the price numbers out loud to me, then the names of the fruits and veggies and then other things too. We would point to the words and the actual things. Making a game out of killing time shopping made it fun for both of us. You should have seen the old lady in the produce aisle when my three-year-old points and shouts: "Daddy! The bananas are on sale for fifty-five cents a pound!" Then of course you work on numeracy, by slowly adding stuff to the bigass hanging produce scales and watching the numbers roll up.

Of course the number one tool is reading to your child every day, even if it's just from the paper, but reading them bedtime stories is pure gold for both of you. Don't be afraid you're not good enough, or doing it wrong. The kid wants your time most of all. All my kids were several grade levels ahead and able to read when they entered preschool, never mind kindergarten. I was reading Treasure Island and then Homer at age five.
 
2013-01-20 10:40:25 PM  
More than fifty percent of high school students don't read good well, and since we don't have a Derek Zoolander to build a center, we must change the reading standards instead of actually identifying and fixing the cause

FTFY
 
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