If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Joystiq)   EA partners with GlassLab to develop SimCityEDU, an educational version of the upcoming Sim City game that'll let teachers educate their pupils on the dangers of cutting back on funding and the science behind the tornado button   (joystiq.com) divider line 31
    More: Cool, tornadoes, SimCityEDU, GlassLab, lesson plans, SimCity, adaptations, educations, teachers  
•       •       •

1515 clicks; posted to Geek » on 20 Jan 2013 at 5:06 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Archived thread
2013-01-21 10:07:03 AM
4 votes:
if this game doesn't allow mods then it will fail, big time.


Mods have actually helped keep some games alive and kicking way after they become dated.

Sometimes keeping the game popular enough to warrant a new game in a franchise.

A good example of this is sim city 4. The game came out nearly a decade ago but is still widely played due mostly in part that users can mod and add their own content to the game. Ea essentially gave up on the franchise when sim city societies flopped (due mostly in part to it sucking and having very limited modding.) but sc4 not only still sells because of mods - it's still available in big box stores. I don't know many other games that are the same age that you could say that about. Oh and thanks to the continued interest in the game ea is finally putting out sim city 5 this year. Would have never happened without all the mods and user generated content.

and yet, it seems EA may be shooting their selves in the foot with this one. the fans are there, sites like www.simtropolis.com still exist and have massive amounts of active users and mods (sc4 came out in what? 2004!). EA needs to listen to their fan base. this DLC bullshiat will kill the game if they don't allow mods.

/fark dlc. seriously
//also if there is no single player mode than this game will epically fail.
2013-01-20 05:45:13 PM
3 votes:

HairBolus: I played with one of the early Sim City versions but I don't know the current abilities.

Does it allow you to set up a Working Nazi Dictatorship? Diss the Fascist all you want, but they often had "booming" economies and got the trains to run on time.


Except they didn't.....

The Reichsbahn was basically ignored for the first 8 years of Nazi control and would've ground to a total halt (and almost did on multiple occasions) for lack of spare parts, locomotives and rolling stock if the Germans hadn't stolen all the French, Austrian, Czech and Polish rolling stock for their own in '39-40.
Italy didn't do much better.
The economies of both countries were strained to collapse by peacetime deficit spending on military projects and without the loot from the occupied territories never would have lasted more than a few years after '39 even without the war, at least with the same scale of military spending and quality of life for their citizens.
2013-01-20 04:42:46 PM
3 votes:
If people think video games influence children's behavior we'd have an entire generation of city planners.

And the kids that grew up in the 80's playing Pac-Man would have spent the 90's dancing in dark rooms to techno music and muching on magic pills......oh wait.
2013-01-21 08:46:46 AM
2 votes:

MasonL87: Also, I'm sure the game will be cracked and the DRM will be removed, as will the crazy save restrictions, within months of the release.


Normally I'd agree that pirates always find a way, but some of the actual simulation is done on EA's servers.

lucksi: Yeah, it is made for the non-thinking generation. The very first thing they said, that it isn't going to be as complicated like the previous title. And I was wondering which previous title they meant. SimCity4 or the one after that. SimCity for tards or whateverthefark it was called.


They've been talking about going in this direction for a while now. Too lazy to look it up, but they didn't release any more expansions for SC4 after Rush Hour because they felt like the game was getting too complex. I want complexity and more options!

All Maxis/EA had to do was give SC4 a new coat of paint, full 3d graphics, and add some new management options and features. Instead we get CityLog forced social networking bullshiat that nobody wanted, always-on DRM, and more restrictions on how we can play the game. Nope, no sale here.
2013-01-21 05:22:26 AM
2 votes:

frozenhotchocolate: This is going to be the worst Sim city game ever. I don't understand who they are aiming for with this one, casual Sim city players left for the Sims long ago. Simcity 4 was superb but this is garbage. The more I learn of this game the more I am pissed off. This game will bomb terribly and I hope whoever is responsible for this game kills themselves.


Yeah, it is made for the non-thinking generation. The very first thing they said, that it isn't going to be as complicated like the previous title. And I was wondering which previous title they meant. SimCity4 or the one after that. SimCity for tards or whateverthefark it was called.

The new one does look good, but gameplaywise it sucks from all the videos I have seen. Also, I will not buy anything DRM ridden...
2013-01-20 09:12:26 PM
2 votes:
The upcoming SimCity game looks remarkable, but I'm sure it will be stripped down to a minimum "game" that will require $300 worth of DLC to turn it into something worthwhile to sit down and actually play, like they did with Sims 3.

It will take quite a bit to get me to load Origin on my machine. It's like a platimum-plated, crappier, less-game-populated version of Steam, which works great (the latest updates now allow you to place your steam games on alternative drives, for those people with limited space on their SSD boot drives)
2013-01-20 08:42:47 PM
2 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: Fair_Poopsmith: Bonanza Jellybean: Which can only be played online, has draconian DRM otherwise, DLC out the ass, and will be shut down in six months so they can charge you $60+ for next year's identical iteration.

/did I miss anything?

AND everything saves in real-time.  So... no more sandbox fun.  No more trying something out, then demolishing it and reloading a previous save.  No more unleashing monsters just for the hell of it and starting over again.  No more trial and error.

No more SimCity, really.  Fark this game in its stupid ass.

Is this true????

I was so excited when I heard about the remake... why would they do that... WHY?????????


The EA answer is that you're going to have so much more fun playing the game thanks to forced socialization that you won't even notice the massive decrease in game options (for example, no subways in this version either). So instead of game features, you'll have leaderboards. Because when people think SimCity, they immediately think leaderboards.

Oh, and also - according to EA - there's just so much going on under the hood of the game, that your computer isn't powerful enough to run it. You need access to their cloud computing to handle all of the details.

The more realistic answer would be that A) they like the idea of always on DRM, as although it may eventually get cracked, it'll likely last at least a week or so during which time most of the sales will take place, and B) EA has decided to try and shoehorn multiplayer into everything, because they've realized that people talking other people into playing games is a great marketing system.

For someone who was looking forward to a new single player (that part shouldn't even need to be said) SimCity, this is going to be an abomination.
2013-01-20 07:35:00 PM
2 votes:

Bonanza Jellybean: Which can only be played online, has draconian DRM otherwise, DLC out the ass, and will be shut down in six months so they can charge you $60+ for next year's identical iteration.

/did I miss anything?


AND everything saves in real-time.  So... no more sandbox fun.  No more trying something out, then demolishing it and reloading a previous save.  No more unleashing monsters just for the hell of it and starting over again.  No more trial and error.

No more SimCity, really.  Fark this game in its stupid ass.
2013-01-20 06:49:53 PM
2 votes:
SimCity games have limitations. But the basic idea is a far better way of educating than standard classroom.

Stephen Johnson Everything Bad Is Good For You (Link) pointed out that 7 yo's learning stuff that previous generations never got until University.

i49.tinypic.com

If we can figure out how to make other lessons as engaging as SimCity, we will fix many of our ed problems overnight
2013-01-20 05:23:10 PM
2 votes:
I played with one of the early Sim City versions but I don't know the current abilities.

Does it allow you to set up a Working Nazi Dictatorship? Diss the Fascist all you want, but they often had "booming" economies and got the trains to run on time.
2013-01-20 05:15:25 PM
2 votes:
It won't actually help with any of that. You can't save your game, so no playing with tornadoes. No subways, either. And your cities, in addition to being tiny in space, can't have more people than Wichita, Kansas; in order to survive, your city will have to specialize, which is the exact opposite of how real-world cities behave.

As a teacher who uses games with students all the time, I honestly believe that playing this variant of SimCity will make students less educated rather than more.
2013-01-20 04:28:40 PM
2 votes:

Donnchadha: Those chucklefarks...


i575.photobucket.com
2013-01-21 10:32:09 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Of games I've played recently, I could only think of Dishonored, Skyrim, and Dark Souls that were games I wanted to keep playing long after I had "finished," and were also games that treated me like I had a brain in my head.

Skyrim? Skyrim treated you like you have a brain in your head? Really? Skyrim? You bash AC3 for having simplistic combat mechanics and then laud Skyrim for being intelligent? Really? Here's how to fight in Skyrim.

-see enemy
-sprint towards enemy
-Hold attack button
-Watch crappy animation of enemy losing their head
-see another enemy....

It's an FPS with RPG elements if ever there was one. They also took out the guns.


...Unless you play as a stealth-focused archer. It's difficult starting out, but after a few perks (one to stagger rushing enemies, another to zoom and slow down time as you draw a bead) it is the most satisfying, tense, suspenseful games out there.

Enemy AI still sucks but it feels like a much more refined experience than "rush up to baddie, button mash 'till decap animation, repeat". It forces you to slow down, pay attention to your environment, open your ears and eyes and THINK.
2013-01-21 08:35:15 PM
1 votes:

captainktainer: It won't actually help with any of that. You can't save your game, so no playing with tornadoes. No subways, either. And your cities, in addition to being tiny in space, can't have more people than Wichita, Kansas; in order to survive, your city will have to specialize, which is the exact opposite of how real-world cities behave.

As a teacher who uses games with students all the time, I honestly believe that playing this variant of SimCity will make students less educated rather than more.


Actually in today's post-Fordist economy, many cities are trying to specialize in certain niches to stay afloat in the service economy.

Also, those hesitant on the new SimCity should check out Cities in Motion 2. It looks to be everything SimCity isn't.
2013-01-21 11:49:54 AM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Of games I've played recently, I could only think of Dishonored, Skyrim, and Dark Souls that were games I wanted to keep playing long after I had "finished," and were also games that treated me like I had a brain in my head.

Skyrim? Skyrim treated you like you have a brain in your head? Really? Skyrim? You bash AC3 for having simplistic combat mechanics and then laud Skyrim for being intelligent? Really? Here's how to fight in Skyrim.

-see enemy
-sprint towards enemy
-Hold attack button
-Watch crappy animation of enemy losing their head
-see another enemy....

It's an FPS with RPG elements if ever there was one. They also took out the guns.


There's more to games than just killing people, you know. While Skyrim does lack in combat, you still get to design your experience from the ground up. You could easily apply your combat rubric to almost any FPS out there, except for, in addition to boring and pointless combat, some pretty graphics and MAYBE a storyline. The problem with most FPS games is that as soon as someone says "let's make an FPS," almost all creativity goes out the window.

1) Make FPS
2) add multiplayer
3) make look pretty
4) profit

That's what makes Dishonored such a nice game (not great, but better than most): it purposefully forced you to avoid the conventional FPS tactics and techniques while still embracing some of the conventions of the genre.
2013-01-21 09:48:02 AM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: Robert Farker: 1993 called, they need their method of payment back.

I get a sense that, from a business management standpoint, EA still lives in 1993.


The amusing thing is that, after EA drives the game into the ground with the ponderous DRM and socialization stuff, they will proclaim, upon seeing shiatty sales, that "gamers don't want these games any more." Then they will go back to creating sixty gazillion derivative first person shooters.

/which every tweener will buy up
//and every mature gamer will continue waiting for the three or four games per year marketed for them
2013-01-21 08:35:17 AM
1 votes:

Robert Farker: 1993 called, they need their method of payment back.


I get a sense that, from a business management standpoint, EA still lives in 1993.
2013-01-21 08:11:25 AM
1 votes:

nicholasneko: Let that help you decide if you want it or not.


Hey, Nick, this is Larry Probst. I just wanted to let you know, your check really and truly is in the mail. Good job in these forum threads, by the way. Keep doing what you're doing!
2013-01-20 11:57:45 PM
1 votes:

mjjt: SimCity games have limitations. But the basic idea is a far better way of educating than standard classroom.

Stephen Johnson Everything Bad Is Good For You (Link) pointed out that 7 yo's learning stuff that previous generations never got until University.



If we can figure out how to make other lessons as engaging as SimCity, we will fix many of our ed problems overnight


Civilization and Alpha Centauri surely have taught thousands of people how science, technology, and the arts combine to produce the world we live in. Probably many more than ever saw the series "Connections."
2013-01-20 10:32:41 PM
1 votes:
Is it an EA game?

Yes?

Then go fark yourself. I'm not playing it, I'm not buying it, I'm not even farking pirating it.
2013-01-20 10:30:55 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: LesserEvil: The upcoming SimCity game looks remarkable, but I'm sure it will be stripped down to a minimum "game" that will require $300 worth of DLC to turn it into something worthwhile to sit down and actually play, like they did with Sims 3.

It will take quite a bit to get me to load Origin on my machine. It's like a platimum-plated, crappier, less-game-populated version of Steam, which works great (the latest updates now allow you to place your steam games on alternative drives, for those people with limited space on their SSD boot drives)

...to clarify, I mean Steam works well. I have no idea on Origin, except that it is EA's attempt to "me too" the cloud gaming market, but instead of Gabe's vision that aims to make gamers happy (and make loads of cash in the process), we have faceless EA CEO's vision of generating as much cash as possible from suckers, erm, gamers as possible and shove our own intrusive DRM down their throats without regard to their wishes.


Origin is serviceable, but considering how EA treats a lot of their other online services, any loyalty to it should be suspect at best. The cloud save functionality is barely functional and there's not a lot of options in terms of organizing your visible library of games on it. The only reason it managed to gain a sizable population at all was only because of Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3on PC, and the number of other console games where they've managed to shoehorn Origin account services into it.

They also seem to have no desire to keep Origin evolving much like Steam has. They've put more effort into trying to build up 3rd party support into the storefront than in keeping the client competitive with steam.

For me though, my dislike of Origin comes from it being one of the major reasons Syndicate was killed off as a franchise. Sure, the game wasn't earth shattering, but that they locked it away to Origin and only Origin killed interest in it for myself and many others at launch.

Hell, could probably be partially to blame for TOR's less than stellar launch numbers in that first month since there was a lot of confusion on how to obtain it.
2013-01-20 09:16:19 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: The upcoming SimCity game looks remarkable, but I'm sure it will be stripped down to a minimum "game" that will require $300 worth of DLC to turn it into something worthwhile to sit down and actually play, like they did with Sims 3.

It will take quite a bit to get me to load Origin on my machine. It's like a platimum-plated, crappier, less-game-populated version of Steam, which works great (the latest updates now allow you to place your steam games on alternative drives, for those people with limited space on their SSD boot drives)


...to clarify, I mean Steam works well. I have no idea on Origin, except that it is EA's attempt to "me too" the cloud gaming market, but instead of Gabe's vision that aims to make gamers happy (and make loads of cash in the process), we have faceless EA CEO's vision of generating as much cash as possible from suckers, erm, gamers as possible and shove our own intrusive DRM down their throats without regard to their wishes.
2013-01-20 09:10:07 PM
1 votes:
Fark EA
2013-01-20 07:59:36 PM
1 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: Fair_Poopsmith: Bonanza Jellybean: Which can only be played online, has draconian DRM otherwise, DLC out the ass, and will be shut down in six months so they can charge you $60+ for next year's identical iteration.

/did I miss anything?

AND everything saves in real-time.  So... no more sandbox fun.  No more trying something out, then demolishing it and reloading a previous save.  No more unleashing monsters just for the hell of it and starting over again.  No more trial and error.

No more SimCity, really.  Fark this game in its stupid ass.

Is this true????

I was so excited when I heard about the remake... why would they do that... WHY?????????


I never cared for the old SimCity games, and outside of the terrible online only nonsense with the constant realtime saves, this new version looks like something I might actually enjoy playing.

Also, I'm sure the game will be cracked and the DRM will be removed, as will the crazy save restrictions, within months of the release.
2013-01-20 07:56:18 PM
1 votes:

Doktor_Zhivago: I was so excited when I heard about the remake... why would they do that... WHY?????????


i1-win.softpedia-static.com
EA Games
ruin everything
2013-01-20 07:19:11 PM
1 votes:
Which can only be played online, has draconian DRM otherwise, DLC out the ass, and will be shut down in six months so they can charge you $60+ for next year's identical iteration.

/did I miss anything?
2013-01-20 07:08:31 PM
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: frozenhotchocolate: This is going to be the worst Sim city game ever. I don't understand who they are aiming for with this one, casual Sim city players left for the Sims long ago. Simcity 4 was superb but this is garbage. The more I learn of this game the more I am pissed off. This game will bomb terribly and I hope whoever is responsible for this game kills themselves.

Maybe you should, I dunno, play it first?


Always on DRM is fine. Putting your saved games to the EA servers where you can't have fun and destroy your city then reload makes it the worst. I'm going to pirate this game when "offline" mode is hacked into it.
2013-01-20 06:32:47 PM
1 votes:

frozenhotchocolate: This is going to be the worst Sim city game ever. I don't understand who they are aiming for with this one, casual Sim city players left for the Sims long ago. Simcity 4 was superb but this is garbage. The more I learn of this game the more I am pissed off. This game will bomb terribly and I hope whoever is responsible for this game kills themselves.


Yeah, they had a great basis for SimCity 4 but the random crashes they never fixed seemed to drive away a lot of users. They should have built off of what was a solid start, but instead they seem to have placed the blame for it being a failure on the gameplay instead of the game crashing before you could get much of anything done.
2013-01-20 06:10:55 PM
1 votes:
This is going to be the worst Sim city game ever. I don't understand who they are aiming for with this one, casual Sim city players left for the Sims long ago. Simcity 4 was superb but this is garbage. The more I learn of this game the more I am pissed off. This game will bomb terribly and I hope whoever is responsible for this game kills themselves.
2013-01-20 05:22:54 PM
1 votes:

Gergesa: It has been a long time since I played simcity but one of the things I liked to do was having airplanes crash by the dozens all over the city.


Kim Jong Il: It will be 911 times 2356.
Chris: My God, that's... I don't even know what that is!
Kim Jong Il: Nobody does!
2013-01-20 04:02:00 PM
1 votes:
Those chucklefarks...
 
Displayed 31 of 31 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report