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(KOB4)   The Guns Keep Us Safe Tour 2013 keeps chugging along with a stop in New Mexico where five people, including three children, were shot dead by a 15 year old boy   (kob.com ) divider line
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2013-01-20 06:13:39 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Xanlexian: dameron: [img.meetone.com image 450x600]

A picture of said murderer.    This should be interesting.

God bless you courageous, brave hero. I salute you good sir. Thank you for keeping us all safe.

Not him.


Damn!
 
2013-01-20 06:13:50 PM  

bunner: Or that motor fuel, while not designed to be used as a weapon, CAN be. Most things can, I suppose. Although I'm pretty sure that the primary application for gasoline, as designed, isn't setting motherf*ckers on fire. Get it?


Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.
THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.
 
2013-01-20 06:14:05 PM  

AngryDragon: Which new gun law would have prevented this submittard?


The banning of possession, manufacturing, importation and selling of magazine fed guns.
 
2013-01-20 06:14:23 PM  
When you use a hatchet or a brick or a bunch of gasoline to kill somebody, that is called - and this is the bane of the modern world, folks - "user application error."> Now, when yo SHOOT somebody with a GUN.. that's not user application error. Got that. They are designed to shoot people with. So can we cut the false equivalency banana oil and actually start dealing with the problem? You know, the culture we've built upon violent aggressive douchebags being "kewl"?
 
2013-01-20 06:14:27 PM  
2nd amendment strikes again!
 
2013-01-20 06:14:45 PM  

pedrop357: bunner: Or that motor fuel, while not designed to be used as a weapon, CAN be. Most things can, I suppose. Although I'm pretty sure that the primary application for gasoline, as designed, isn't setting motherf*ckers on fire. Get it?

Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.
THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.


Holy shiat this has to be the stupidest thing I have read on this site.
 
2013-01-20 06:14:55 PM  

pedrop357: Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.
THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.


Comedy gold, Jerry.
 
2013-01-20 06:15:00 PM  
Can't wait to hear Huckabee's explanation for this one.
 
2013-01-20 06:15:18 PM  

Molavian: Let's talk about the dozens of children beaten to death in the same timeframe.

No?


Nothing for the anti-gun types to in up fear about. besides, invasive policies and dumb ideas are something they only want to inflict on gun rights supporters.
 
2013-01-20 06:15:19 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: More dead children for Obama and his scumbag supporters to exploit. It's your lucky day liberals, more dead children!


I'm giving you a 9/10 for this.
 
2013-01-20 06:15:36 PM  

PDid: Why don't you gun nuts take up a more challenging hobby. Shooting is so easy even a 15 year old autistic kid can do it.


Do you have a link to a better article? I can't find a damn thing about motive FTFA, which is annoying. Was this kid legitimately mentally ill, or just went off one day?

/The sort of questions I come up with.
 
2013-01-20 06:15:56 PM  

Makh: http://cncnws.com/blog/2013/01/20/exclusive-boy-15-shoots-his-pastor- f ather-and-family-dead-with-military-style-assault-rifle-in-bloody-shoo ting-rampage/
It was his own family he shot. Multiple guns in the house, everyone was armed so it was ok. They should have been able to prevent it, right?
/I mean this is the argument right?


Crazy or abused? And named "Nehemiah." I wonder if his father was some nutty controlling preacher?
 
2013-01-20 06:16:54 PM  

Dinki: AngryDragon: Which new gun law would have prevented this submittard?

The banning of possession, manufacturing, importation and selling of magazine fed guns.


Perhaps you missed the "15-year-olds in possession of firearms is already illegal" part. He already broke the farking law. Will breaking another make a difference?
 
2013-01-20 06:16:56 PM  

pedrop357: THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.


They are DESIGNED to squirt lead at whatever the f*ck you point them at. Utilization is at the discretion of the of the cat with their finger on the trigger. But they are designed to be used against whatever you point them at. The false equivalency argument IS crap, sorry.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:04 PM  

PsiChick: PDid: Why don't you gun nuts take up a more challenging hobby. Shooting is so easy even a 15 year old autistic kid can do it.

Do you have a link to a better article? I can't find a damn thing about motive FTFA, which is annoying. Was this kid legitimately mentally ill, or just went off one day?

/The sort of questions I come up with.


I'm just farking around. I don't know any details. Sorry.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: doglover: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.

From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.

Would you prefer Merriam-Webster?

Definition of  ASSAULT RIFLE: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Congratulations, you still lose.


Scroll further down the page at www.m-w.com and you will see this:

assault rifle
noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000-1,600 ft (300-500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. Their ease of handling makes them ideal for mobile assault troops crowded into personnel carriers or helicopters, as well as for guerrilla fighters engaged in jungle or urban warfare. Widely used assault rifles are the U.S. M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3.Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000-1,600 ft (300-500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. Their ease of handling makes them ideal for mobile assault troops crowded into personnel carriers or helicopters, as well as for guerrilla fighters engaged in jungle or urban warfare. Widely used assault rifles are the U.S. M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3.


Or if you prefer, how about Encyclopaedia Britannica, assault rifle, military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.

Oh yeah, the United States Army lists being capable of selectable rate of fire as being a requirement to be classified as an assault rifle.

So congratulations to you, because you lose.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:26 PM  

pedrop357: He wasn't really old enough to buy that gun, so it likely belongs to someone else and was unlawfully obtained by him.




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2013-01-20 06:17:31 PM  

pedrop357: bunner: I got nothing against responsible gun ownership, but all this false equivalency malarkey is making it's leading proponents come off like a pack of window lickers who smell of Doritos and their own flatulence.

No, it shows that the special treatment reserved for guns demonstrates an agenda and is not rooted in any concern for children or saving lives.


The term 'responsible gun owners' in and itself is THE false equivalency because when you own guns especially multiple assault rifles there is an inherent risk to yourself and also society at large mainly for two primary reasons..

1st ... your guns CAN be used by someone other than yourself.

2nd. A responsible person of today or yesterday can potentially be irresponsible in the future.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:35 PM  

pedrop357: born_yesterday: It would have been nice if all the gun rights advocates that are so concerned about our rights spoke up when the Supreme Court ruled that Miranda rights no longer have to be read. Or when OWS protesters were beaten to a pulp for exercising their right to peaceably assemble. Or when,the Bush administration set the precedent that torture is an acceptable mechanism to erradicate 5th amendment rights. Or when terrorism became a sufficient charge to detain indefinitely without charge or council. Or when warrant-less searches in the name of fighting terror became commonplace.

But yeah, that firearm will protect us all from tyranny.

Too bad the left and all the anti-gun types were right to there to join most of that and ignored Obama when continued it.


Yeah, that's exactly what I remember. Especially when Bush administration officials like Gonzalex were called were called to testify about torture before Congress. Especially when the reversal of Miranda came down directly on ideological lines. Or when the American "left" showed total and complete support for the methods used in the war against terror, branding anyone else a traitor to the country. Jesus, why even bother.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:43 PM  

pedrop357: bunner: Or that motor fuel, while not designed to be used as a weapon, CAN be. Most things can, I suppose. Although I'm pretty sure that the primary application for gasoline, as designed, isn't setting motherf*ckers on fire. Get it?

Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.
THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.


Soo....how do the bullets know who is innocent and who is a tyrant?
 
2013-01-20 06:17:51 PM  

PDid: pedrop357: bunner: Or that motor fuel, while not designed to be used as a weapon, CAN be. Most things can, I suppose. Although I'm pretty sure that the primary application for gasoline, as designed, isn't setting motherf*ckers on fire. Get it?

Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.
THEY are not intended or designed to be used against innocent people.

Holy shiat this has to be the stupidest thing I have read on this site.


Show me where guns were designed to harm innocent people.
 
2013-01-20 06:17:54 PM  
Dictionaries have a known liberal bias.

I mean... it's filled with freaking words and their meanings and sh*t!

How much more libtarded can you GET?!

Don't even get me started on encyclopedias.
 
2013-01-20 06:18:27 PM  

bunner: They are DESIGNED to squirt lead at whatever the f*ck you point them at. Utilization is at the discretion of the of the cat with their finger on the trigger. But they are designed to be used against whatever you point them at. The false equivalency argument IS crap, sorry.


In other words, they have other uses just like fuel, cars, etc.
 
2013-01-20 06:18:33 PM  
If only God was allowed in this home. This wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-01-20 06:18:41 PM  

here to help: Dictionaries have a known liberal bias.

I mean... it's filled with freaking words and their meanings and sh*t!

How much more libtarded can you GET?!

Don't even get me started on encyclopedias.


Careful, son. Iraq was invaded on the suspicion of possession of less WMD-grade stupid than that.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:02 PM  

AngryDragon: Dinki: AngryDragon: Which new gun law would have prevented this submittard?

The banning of possession, manufacturing, importation and selling of magazine fed guns.

Perhaps you missed the "15-year-olds in possession of firearms is already illegal" part. He already broke the farking law. Will breaking another make a difference?


Any weapon in your house is over 40x more likely to be used against someone who lives there than an intruder. What happened here wasn't a surprise, it was so statistically likely it was expected.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:15 PM  

PsiChick: PDid: Why don't you gun nuts take up a more challenging hobby. Shooting is so easy even a 15 year old autistic kid can do it.

Do you have a link to a better article? I can't find a damn thing about motive FTFA, which is annoying. Was this kid legitimately mentally ill, or just went off one day?

/The sort of questions I come up with.


I wonder if the lesson here will turn out to be: Lock up your guns before you try to lock up your kid.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:15 PM  
But are the guns okay?

Please, won't somebody think of the guns?
 
2013-01-20 06:19:17 PM  

pedrop357: Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.


And YOU had the nerve to call ME a troll?!?

Dude.  Just...  walk away.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:18 PM  

pedrop357: Show me where guns were designed to harm innocent people.


Show me the blueprints that outline the module in the weapon that causes it to have a conscience.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:37 PM  

born_yesterday: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Tymast: Why isn't the media reporting on all the guns that haven't killed someone yet?

Because it's much more fun to use fear and logical fallacy to erode the rights of the populous.

It would have been nice if all the gun rights advocates that are so concerned about our rights spoke up when the Supreme Court ruled that Miranda rights no longer have to be read. Or when OWS protesters were beaten to a pulp for exercising their right to peaceably assemble. Or when,the Bush administration set the precedent that torture is an acceptable mechanism to erradicate 5th amendment rights. Or when terrorism became a sufficient charge to detain indefinitely without charge or council. Or when warrant-less searches in the name of fighting terror became commonplace.

But yeah, that firearm will protect us all from tyranny.


So you're implying that there wasn't outrage about any of those things, huh?

See guys, what did I just say about logical fallacies? And look! There they are!
 
2013-01-20 06:19:41 PM  

born_yesterday: pedrop357: born_yesterday: It would have been nice if all the gun rights advocates that are so concerned about our rights spoke up when the Supreme Court ruled that Miranda rights no longer have to be read. Or when OWS protesters were beaten to a pulp for exercising their right to peaceably assemble. Or when,the Bush administration set the precedent that torture is an acceptable mechanism to erradicate 5th amendment rights. Or when terrorism became a sufficient charge to detain indefinitely without charge or council. Or when warrant-less searches in the name of fighting terror became commonplace.

But yeah, that firearm will protect us all from tyranny.

Too bad the left and all the anti-gun types were right to there to join most of that and ignored Obama when continued it.

Yeah, that's exactly what I remember. Especially when Bush administration officials like Gonzalex were called were called to testify about torture before Congress. Especially when the reversal of Miranda came down directly on ideological lines. Or when the American "left" showed total and complete support for the methods used in the war against terror, branding anyone else a traitor to the country. Jesus, why even bother.


What?!?!?!?!? I thought that Obama is the leftest guy evar!

//I'll keep saying it...Fox News's biggest success has been to move the spectrum sharply to the right.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:42 PM  

gimmegimme: Soo....how do the bullets know who is innocent and who is a tyrant?


They don't, anymore than the fuel knows its not going into a car but is instead being used to set people on fire. Cars don't know they're being driven by a drunk driver, nor do they know they're being used to transport murdered people to be dumped.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: pedrop357: Guns aren't designed for murdering people, especially not children, they're designed for target shooting, hunting, self defense, waging war against defined enemies, and if necessary, fighting tyrannical governments.

And YOU had the nerve to call ME a troll?!?

Dude.  Just...  walk away.


I seriously hope he's a poe. Seriously hope.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:53 PM  

gimmegimme: "I'll let you know after I'm released for defending myself against an unarmed kid who was running away from me."


Amazing that an overweight guy caught a 17 year old athlete that was running away, especially when the athlete had a head start and lived a few hundred feet away.
 
2013-01-20 06:19:54 PM  

Contribution Corsair: Well obviously we need armed guards on all the streets and watching all homes instead of just police patrols.

We can't restrict the right to have the weapons but need to station armed guards everywhere to ensure freedom and safety!


Even tho I know you don't want that kind of world, its exactly the kind you'd inadvertently create to back up your ideals.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-01-20 06:20:19 PM  

bunner: Show me the blueprints that outline the module in the weapon that causes it to have a conscience.


Do the same with fuel, cars, etc.
 
2013-01-20 06:20:27 PM  

vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.


They jam often, so not good for home defense. They are good for small varmits, but so are a lot of guns, including those of the pellet variety. But if you need to clear out some children, there is no gun better. Good luck finding one though, they are selling out quickly. Children must be big problems in some areas.
 
2013-01-20 06:20:30 PM  

AngryDragon: Perhaps you missed the "15-year-olds in possession of firearms is already illegal" part. He already broke the farking law. Will breaking another make a difference?


Ah the old "Criminals ignore laws so why have them" argument. I guess we should just throw out the entire legal code in this country, since the bad guys will just ignore it anyway.

The purpose of a law banning magazine fed guns is eventually there would be few of them available. Fewer guns= less stories like this one.
 
2013-01-20 06:20:38 PM  

pedrop357: In other words, they have other uses just like fuel, cars, etc.


No, they have primary uses and applications by design. So, what is the primary usage by design of a gun, again? F*cking engineering, how does it work?
 
2013-01-20 06:20:54 PM  

gimmegimme: Soo....how do the bullets know who is innocent and who is a tyrant?


They don't need to. An innocent's body will reject the bullets.
 
2013-01-20 06:21:14 PM  

rohar: AngryDragon: Dinki: AngryDragon: Which new gun law would have prevented this submittard?

The banning of possession, manufacturing, importation and selling of magazine fed guns.

Perhaps you missed the "15-year-olds in possession of firearms is already illegal" part. He already broke the farking law. Will breaking another make a difference?

Any weapon in your house is over 40x more likely to be used against someone who lives there than an intruder. What happened here wasn't a surprise, it was so statistically likely it was expected.


I can play this game to. You are also more likely, statistically speaking, to be shot by a police officer than by a concealed weapons licensee. Should we ban police then?
 
2013-01-20 06:21:17 PM  
15? Obviously into video games and Hollywood movies. Non-story, problem's already been identified
 
2013-01-20 06:21:24 PM  

pedrop357: self defense


I think I found the flaw in your "not designed to murder people" theory.
 
2013-01-20 06:21:58 PM  
I like how 5 people are dead and some of the fun nuts think the most important thing is the terminology use about the weapons.
 
2013-01-20 06:22:03 PM  

Invisible Pedestrian: gimmegimme: Soo....how do the bullets know who is innocent and who is a tyrant?

They don't need to. An innocent's body will reject the bullets.


Those kids might have grown up to be tyrants...or Democrats.
 
2013-01-20 06:22:12 PM  
ZeroPly:
No. Just f*cking stop already.

Selective fire is a necessary condition of an assault rifle. Period. No selective fire, no assault rifle. That's what the term means. It's what it's meant for a very long time, and we don't need jackasses like you redefining our terminology for political reasons. If you're against semiautomatic rifles, say you're against semiautomatic rifles. But quit trying to redefine words to suit your needs.

Now the journalists have been called out enough for misusing terminology that they say "assault type". Again, no. Quit being stupid and just call it a magazine fed semiauto.


You want to know who redefined the term? Gun manufacturers. There was a clear marketing approach to improving sagging guns sales, and that was to design guns with an appearance specifically designed to elicit John Wayne/Rambo/Wolverine fantasies. While they may function no differently than a standard hunting rifle, that is certainly not how they are marketed. They are marketed as "assault rifles" to the beer belly militia members, survivalists, and childish men that want to play army in their minds. It's no surprise that they are the weapon of choice for the mentally unstable that wish to live out their fantasies.

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2013-01-20 06:22:24 PM  

born_yesterday: Yeah, that's exactly what I remember. Especially when Bush administration officials like Gonzalex were called were called to testify about torture before Congress. Especially when the reversal of Miranda came down directly on ideological lines. Or when the American "left" showed total and complete support for the methods used in the war against terror, branding anyone else a traitor to the country. Jesus, why even bother.


I remember the left joining in the support for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act and its renewals, anything that expands or enhances the war on drugs. I also remember a lot less complaints when Obama was elected and continued these things or turned them up to 11.
 
2013-01-20 06:22:44 PM  
I meant GUN NUTS no fun nuts.

Damn autocorrect
 
2013-01-20 06:22:55 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PsiChick: PDid: Why don't you gun nuts take up a more challenging hobby. Shooting is so easy even a 15 year old autistic kid can do it.

Do you have a link to a better article? I can't find a damn thing about motive FTFA, which is annoying. Was this kid legitimately mentally ill, or just went off one day?

/The sort of questions I come up with.

I wonder if the lesson here will turn out to be: Lock up your guns before you try to lock up your kid.


Probably: Never underestimate the power of puberty-induced brain damage (and a healthy dose of undiagnosed mental illness on the side).

/You'd be amazed.
 
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