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(KOB4)   The Guns Keep Us Safe Tour 2013 keeps chugging along with a stop in New Mexico where five people, including three children, were shot dead by a 15 year old boy   (kob.com ) divider line 1330
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2013-01-20 05:09:06 PM  

doglover: AR-15, the new AK-47.


XM-15.

Hey, here's an idea. Let's divert the discussion towards a nomenclature argument and avoid the real issue!
 
2013-01-20 05:14:02 PM  

doglover: From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.


That's right.  I forgot about the inherent bias and/or inaccuracies in dictionaries.
 
2013-01-20 05:14:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: doglover: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.

From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.

Would you prefer Merriam-Webster?

Definition of  ASSAULT RIFLE: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Congratulations, you still lose.


I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.

And the AR--5 is not designed for military use, so by the Meriam-Webster version it is not an assault rifle.
 
2013-01-20 05:17:52 PM  

vpb: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

Wrong.

A semi-automatic assault rifle is an assault rifle.  Do you think a selective fire rifle stops being an assault rifle when it is set to semi-auto?  In fact they are not that difficult to convert to full auto.  Just add the missing parts and any missing machining.

The argument based on the NRA's definition of assault rifle is one of the silliest I have ever heard.


Trying to assert your definition of "assault rifle" because you don't agree with reality is even sillier.
 
2013-01-20 05:18:57 PM  

doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.


Yeah, Cameron.  How DARE you use a dictionary as a source for the definition of words n shiat.
 
2013-01-20 05:21:11 PM  

vpb: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

Wrong.

A semi-automatic assault rifle is an assault rifle.  Do you think a selective fire rifle stops being an assault rifle when it is set to semi-auto?  In fact they are not that difficult to convert to full auto.  Just add the missing parts and any missing machining.

The argument based on the NRA's definition of assault rifle is one of the silliest I have ever heard.




You are so ignorant of the subject it's not even funny. Seriously, shut the fark up. My roommate's dog is more qualified to speak about this subject than you.
 
2013-01-20 05:21:27 PM  

vpb: There have been semi-automatic assault rifles made for military use too, assault rifles that were designed from the start as semi-auto assault rifles.

It just shows how silly the idea that "there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle" is.



That is a carbine, not an assault rifle.
 
2013-01-20 05:22:17 PM  

doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.


Welp...so much for holding you up on that pedestal. I didn't think you were this stupid.
 
2013-01-20 05:23:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.


Can I interest you both in a conservative dictionary?   http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Dictionary_Project

/I'm kidding. :p
 
2013-01-20 05:25:03 PM  

Vodka Zombie: doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.

Yeah, Cameron.  How DARE you use a dictionary as a source for the definition of words n shiat.


Merriam-Webster is a respected publication with standards and history.

Dictionary.com is... well, dictionary.com.
 
2013-01-20 05:25:51 PM  

Makh: cameroncrazy1984: doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.

Can I interest you both in a conservative dictionary?   http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Dictionary_Project

/I'm kidding. :p


Bwa ha ha ha.
 
2013-01-20 05:30:23 PM  

doglover: Oh yes, just add any parts or machining and make your seni automatic weapon into a machine gun.

That's not several felonies or anything.


10 years, automatic.

/Federal time
 
2013-01-20 05:33:21 PM  

doglover: Dictionary.com is... well, dictionary.com.


Dictionary.com gets their information from external sources.  The two definitions mentioned in this thread from dictionary.doc are from the 2013 edition of the Random House Dictionary and the 2009 Collins dictionary form HarperCollins.

So yeah, using dictionaries to define words and shiat.  How DARE he?

Plus you're confusing jargon with a lay term.   An "assault rifle" might mean one thing in military jargon and another thing to a layman.   Not knowing the jargon (or caring) doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion but it does make those people who rely on it to be pedantic seem like douchebags.
 
2013-01-20 05:35:41 PM  

doglover: And the AR--5 is not designed for military use, so by the Meriam-Webster version it is not an assault rifle.



about that
 
2013-01-20 05:38:34 PM  
What the world needs now is guns, more guns
they're the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is guns, more guns,
No not just for some but for everyone.

media.mlive.com
 
2013-01-20 05:47:15 PM  

Somacandra: Personally, I would say that a grenade launcher automatically counts. But they didn't think so.


The grenade launcher thing is great, because it's a pretty easy way to tell whether people know what they're talking about or not.

Spot the grenade launcher:
 
2013-01-20 05:49:11 PM  
WOOHOO! GUN THREAD!

/drink!
 
2013-01-20 05:49:13 PM  

Fubini: Somacandra: Personally, I would say that a grenade launcher automatically counts. But they didn't think so.

The grenade launcher thing is great, because it's a pretty easy way to tell whether people know what they're talking about or not.

Spot the grenade launcher:


Woops.

Spot the grenade launcher:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-20 05:49:27 PM  
♫This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun♫

Now let's do the Clip vs Magazine argument...
 
2013-01-20 05:49:34 PM  

Vodka Zombie: vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.

Well...  In the wrong hands, AR-15s are quite lethal.  I'm just thankful this kid didn't get his hands on a hammer.  Can you even begin to imagine the bloodbath had he found a hammer, or god forbid, the car keys?

Chilling to consider...  Absolutely chilling.

As it stands, YAY!  FIVE more reminders of the importance of our 2nd Amendment freedoms!


In another year, he would have been able to drive. Imagine what he could have done with a REAL weapon!
 
2013-01-20 05:49:57 PM  

doglover: Vodka Zombie: doglover: I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.

Yeah, Cameron.  How DARE you use a dictionary as a source for the definition of words n shiat.

Merriam-Webster is a respected publication with standards and history.

Dictionary.com is... well, dictionary.com.


Just use the OED.  I'm sure that doesn't have the sick liebral bias that Dictionary.com has.
 
2013-01-20 05:50:11 PM  
Hey Subby, it' OK to cry. Just let it out, Princess. Rant on a website, complain that Obama won't confiscate the guns FOR THE CHILDREN. There, there, does it feel better?

As long as you don't think your wailing amounts to more than a flea fart in a hurricane to Obama.

Suckers.
 
2013-01-20 05:50:13 PM  
If only there had been a good fifteen year old with a gun to save everyone.

In a related matter, it appears I have become desensitized to kids getting murdered. I blame society. And by society, I mean the NRA.
 
2013-01-20 05:50:36 PM  
Not that is how you troll. Good job subby and admins
 
2013-01-20 05:51:09 PM  
Why isn't the media reporting on all the guns that haven't killed someone yet?
 
2013-01-20 05:51:30 PM  

doglover: cameroncrazy1984: doglover: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.

From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.

Would you prefer Merriam-Webster?

Definition of  ASSAULT RIFLE: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Congratulations, you still lose.

I'm not the one quoting dictionary.com like it was a source.

And the AR--5 is not designed for military use, so by the Meriam-Webster version it is not an assault rifle.


WTF?! The AR-5 was designed as an aircrew survival rifle for the United States Miliary. However, it's bolt action, not an assault rifle.

Fubini: Spot the grenade launcher:


SKS uses a muzzle launched rifle grenade, much like the M-1 Garand and M-14. The grenade slipped onto that muzzle break, and used a special cartridge to launch it.
 
2013-01-20 05:51:52 PM  

dameron: [img.meetone.com image 450x600]

A picture of said murderer.    This should be interesting.


Is that one of his little victims in the background?
 
2013-01-20 05:52:18 PM  
Over 9 people died in the past hour!!! From alcohol.. This is getting ridiculous. Do people not realize that in a country of 310,000,000 people this happens pretty much every day? How math illiterate do you have to be to be shocked by this? Just because the news doesn't tell you, doesn't mean it's not happening. Christ, if you people knew what was going on in Africa right now, you'd shiat yourselves.
 
2013-01-20 05:52:36 PM  
Is anyone else sick of the damned gun threads? Even the foobies threads have guns nowadays!
 
2013-01-20 05:53:13 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Over 9 people died in the past hour!!! From alcohol.. This is getting ridiculous. Do people not realize that in a country of 310,000,000 people this happens pretty much every day? How math illiterate do you have to be to be shocked by this? Just because the news doesn't tell you, doesn't mean it's not happening. Christ, if you people knew what was going on in Africa right now, you'd shiat yourselves.


Thirld World, Poverty Stricken and Warlord filled Africa is not the United States, a First World Superpower.

Nice try with fallacious comparisons, though.
 
2013-01-20 05:53:27 PM  
Someone who owns an AR-15 also tends to:

1.
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4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

/serious suggestions only, please
 
2013-01-20 05:53:33 PM  

edmo: doglover: AR-15, the new AK-47.

XM-15.

Hey, here's an idea. Let's divert the discussion towards a nomenclature argument and avoid the real issue!


Isn't that pretty much how every gun thread on Fark ends up?
 
2013-01-20 05:54:35 PM  

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Over 9 people died in the past hour!!! From alcohol.. This is getting ridiculous. Do people not realize that in a country of 310,000,000 people this happens pretty much every day? How math illiterate do you have to be to be shocked by this? Just because the news doesn't tell you, doesn't mean it's not happening. Christ, if you people knew what was going on in Africa right now, you'd shiat yourselves.

Thirld World, Poverty Stricken and Warlord filled Africa is not the United States, a First World Superpower.

Nice try with fallacious comparisons, though.


Just stop throwing that word around, you don't know what it means.
 
2013-01-20 05:54:39 PM  

BronyMedic: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Over 9 people died in the past hour!!! From alcohol.. This is getting ridiculous. Do people not realize that in a country of 310,000,000 people this happens pretty much every day? How math illiterate do you have to be to be shocked by this? Just because the news doesn't tell you, doesn't mean it's not happening. Christ, if you people knew what was going on in Africa right now, you'd shiat yourselves.

Thirld World, Poverty Stricken and Warlord filled Africa is not the United States, a First World Superpower.

Nice try with fallacious comparisons, though.


It's kind of a specialty.
 
2013-01-20 05:54:40 PM  
More dead children for Obama and his scumbag supporters to exploit. It's your lucky day liberals, more dead children!
 
2013-01-20 05:55:40 PM  
Do we do this when people, including teens, kill their family with breakopen shotguns or baseball bats?
 
2013-01-20 05:55:48 PM  

Somacandra: jbuist: Pop the grenade on the end, load a blank, and fire the grenade. They're not exactly dangerous. Well, unless you have rifle grenades. I'd say the grenades are the dangerous part...

But if you can't fire the grenade without the grenade launcher, and the grenade launcher has no use other than firing a grenade, the logical move would be to restrict the launcher. Grenades themselves aren't semiautomatic weapons appropriate to this legislation--I'm sure those are covered instead under the "No You Can't Have Some Goddamn Grenades Act" passed after WWII.


Thomas Jefferson would've wanted me to have grenades. Why no second amendment rights for grenades? They can't be that much more deadly than any other projectile weapon that's legal
 
2013-01-20 05:55:55 PM  
Can we start report car accidents with such frequency? That way people may pay attention to something that will actually save more lives.
 
2013-01-20 05:55:57 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: More dead children for Obama and his scumbag supporters to exploit. It's your lucky day liberals, more dead children!


And the best thing about it is that the supply will never dry up!
 
2013-01-20 05:56:32 PM  
i have a suggestion. why dont we solve the reasons that give people the desire to kill, instead of just removing one of the tools by which the killing is carried out?
 
2013-01-20 05:56:34 PM  

Dallymo: dameron: Somacandra: Really? I'd like some official link or citation if possible

Well someone claiming to be Nehemiah Griego from Albuquerque uploaded that picture three weeks ago.    It's not like his name is John Smith or anything.

Little kids in the background...


That's what I noticed. Odds are that the two adults and three children dead are all his family.
 
2013-01-20 05:56:43 PM  
*shrug* shootings happen every single day. Nobody ever said they didnt.

Every type of crime happens every single day.
 
2013-01-20 05:57:10 PM  

born_yesterday: Vodka Zombie: vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.

Well...  In the wrong hands, AR-15s are quite lethal.  I'm just thankful this kid didn't get his hands on a hammer.  Can you even begin to imagine the bloodbath had he found a hammer, or god forbid, the car keys?

Chilling to consider...  Absolutely chilling.

As it stands, YAY!  FIVE more reminders of the importance of our 2nd Amendment freedoms!

In another year, he would have been able to drive. Imagine what he could have done with a REAL weapon!


Ha!  The only flaw in your otherwise impeccable logic is that cars aren't used to fight tyranny.  You can only fight tyranny with a bunch of guns.

So, since this 15 year old used a gun, we have no choice but to believe that this family was tyranny, and it was his patriotic duty to water the tree of liberty (which can only be watered with a gun and not a car).  I expect the NRA will be giving him a freedom medal.
 
2013-01-20 05:57:41 PM  

Aeon Rising: Can we start report car accidents with such frequency? That way people may pay attention to something that will actually save more lives.


Don't know about where you live, but any car accident around here that involves fatalities is plastered on all the local news stations with live reporters and interviews from witnesses. And I'm in a city with over a million people.
 
2013-01-20 05:57:59 PM  
Apparently none of the children were husky.
 
2013-01-20 05:59:14 PM  

ManofPeas: Hey Subby, it' OK to cry. Just let it out, Princess. Rant on a website, complain that Obama won't confiscate the guns FOR THE CHILDREN. There, there, does it feel better?

As long as you don't think your wailing amounts to more than a flea fart in a hurricane to Obama.

Suckers.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-20 05:59:29 PM  
If only the 2 adults and 3 kids were packing heat this would have never happened.
 
2013-01-20 05:59:35 PM  
When are we finally going to deal with this issue in a sensible manner and issue guns to all American children?
 
2013-01-20 06:00:27 PM  
Keep making a media circus about every single shooting that occurs and I guarantee you that more Sandy Hook/VATech/Aurora type events will occur. The mental cases that perpetrated those crimes want nothing more than to be infamous and share their "pain" with the world, and they know that they'll get what they want without fail.
 
2013-01-20 06:00:37 PM  
In other news, about 80 kids under age 11 have died so far this month from child abuse, with just 1400 or so to go this year.

When that dad used fuel to kill his two sons and himself, I don't remember anyone talking about the fuel used
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/07/justice/washington-powell-case/index.ht m l
 
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