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(KOB4)   The Guns Keep Us Safe Tour 2013 keeps chugging along with a stop in New Mexico where five people, including three children, were shot dead by a 15 year old boy   (kob.com) divider line 1330
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2013-01-20 01:24:23 PM
If only those children had played more Black Ops and were armed, they would still be here today.
 
2013-01-20 01:44:02 PM
What's an "assault type rifle"?
 
2013-01-20 01:52:39 PM

queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?


From dictionary.com:

assault riflenoun1.a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomati c fire,utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.2.a nonmilitary weapo n modeled on the military assault rifle,usually modified to allow only  semiautomatic fire.Origin:
1970-75

Any other questions?
 
2013-01-20 02:13:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

From dictionary.com:

assault riflenoun1.a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomati c fire,utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.2.a nonmilitary weapo n modeled on the military assault rifle,usually modified to allow only  semiautomatic fire.Origin:
1970-75

Any other questions?


When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 02:30:27 PM

queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?


There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 02:51:15 PM
I'll bet they tried to make him eat vegetables.  Spinach is tyranny.
 
2013-01-20 02:54:53 PM
It seems we're overlooking the real problem here

/teenagers
 
2013-01-20 02:56:24 PM
Sort of like Pokemon... Except you have to kill them all.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 03:01:23 PM
I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.
 
2013-01-20 03:02:06 PM
I just watched the latest episode of W Kamau Bell's show. Good show if you're a liberal. I laugh at most of it, but one thing he did was go on a poetic type rant where he said we should just have no guns at all.

And I agree with him...but only if EVERYBODY throws all their guns in the ocean, and all gun manufacturers dismantle their assembly lines, and we don't even keep "collector's items" in the slightest.

Since that won't ever ever ever ever happen, I say we all get a gun. No restrictions. If you have a pulse, you get a gun. Yes, somebody will shoot one of your loved ones. You'll have plenty of people to share your grief with and you'll get over it.
 
2013-01-20 03:05:30 PM

queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?


FWIW, this is how it was defined in H.R.3355: Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. This was a set of definitions for semiautomatic assault weapons. I believe this was the version that was signed into law. You might have to ask Gov. Mitt Romney about how he defined in his Massachusetts ban:
==
(b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
`       (A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--
`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
`(iv) Colt AR-15;
`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
`(vii) Steyr AUG;
`(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
`(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
`          (B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a bayonet mount;
`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
`(v) a grenade launcher;
          `(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
`(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
`(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
`(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
`        (D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
`(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.'.

===
Personally, I would say that a grenade launcher automatically counts. But they didn't think so.
 
2013-01-20 03:11:02 PM

vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.


Well...  In the wrong hands, AR-15s are quite lethal.  I'm just thankful this kid didn't get his hands on a hammer.  Can you even begin to imagine the bloodbath had he found a hammer, or god forbid, the car keys?

Chilling to consider...  Absolutely chilling.

As it stands, YAY!  FIVE more reminders of the importance of our 2nd Amendment freedoms!
 
2013-01-20 03:15:56 PM

Vodka Zombie: I'm just thankful this kid didn't get his hands on a hammer. Can you even begin to imagine the bloodbath had he found a hammer,


i.imgur.com

R.I.P. MAXWELL'S SILVER HAMMER

 
2013-01-20 03:26:02 PM

jaylectricity: I just watched the latest episode of W Kamau Bell's show. Good show if you're a liberal.


He's farther left than I am, but mostly I enjoy the show. A good bit is hit-or-miss though.
 
2013-01-20 03:29:57 PM

vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.


That goes in the category of "shiat no one has ever said".
 
2013-01-20 03:34:28 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: A good bit is hit-or-miss though.


True of most comedy shows. I laugh a lot, especially the racial stuff. The thing about the n word in Brooklyn was hilarious.
 
2013-01-20 03:35:58 PM

vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.


There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.
 
2013-01-20 03:36:31 PM

Somacandra: Personally, I would say that a grenade launcher automatically counts. But they didn't think so.


The kind they're referring to are about the size of your thumb.  It's like a muzzle brake or flash suppressor.  Pop the grenade on the end, load a blank, and fire the grenade.

They're not exactly dangerous.  Well, unless you have rifle grenades.  I'd say the grenades are the dangerous part, not the piece of metal about the size of my finger with some holes in it.
 
2013-01-20 03:38:30 PM
*point*

*laf*
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 03:39:30 PM

violentsalvation: vpb: I think there must be a mistake.  It says he used an AR-15, but I have been assured that people only dislike them because they look "scary" and they can't actually hurt or kill anyone.

That goes in the category of "shiat no one has ever said".


Nope.  I people here on Fark have claimed that they are "safe and fun".

Maybe they were using some new definition of the word safe.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 03:40:24 PM

jaylectricity: I just watched the latest episode of W Kamau Bell's show. Good show if you're a liberal. I laugh at most of it, but one thing he did was go on a poetic type rant where he said we should just have no guns at all.

And I agree with him...but only if EVERYBODY throws all their guns in the ocean, and all gun manufacturers dismantle their assembly lines, and we don't even keep "collector's items" in the slightest.

Since that won't ever ever ever ever happen, I say we all get a gun. No restrictions. If you have a pulse, you get a gun. Yes, somebody will shoot one of your loved ones. You'll have plenty of people to share your grief with and you'll get over it.


You can just shoot them back!
 
2013-01-20 03:40:58 PM
img.meetone.com

A picture of said murderer.    This should be interesting.
 
2013-01-20 03:49:19 PM
I'm sure glad this still isn't a time to talk about guns and try to prevent these sorts of incidents.  Wouldn't want to infringe on the right of people to keep living now would we?
 
2013-01-20 03:49:51 PM

dameron: [img.meetone.com image 450x600]

A picture of said murderer.    This should be interesting.


The American flag used as a curtain is pretty much a tell-tale sign of bugfark, teabagger nationalism, but, who knows?

Like I said, I'm just glad this lunatic didn't get his hands on a hammer.
 
2013-01-20 03:50:30 PM
i.imgur.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 03:51:54 PM

give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.


Wrong.

A semi-automatic assault rifle is an assault rifle.  Do you think a selective fire rifle stops being an assault rifle when it is set to semi-auto?  In fact they are not that difficult to convert to full auto.  Just add the missing parts and any missing machining.

The argument based on the NRA's definition of assault rifle is one of the silliest I have ever heard.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 03:56:34 PM
There have been semi-automatic assault rifles made for military use too, assault rifles that were designed from the start as semi-auto assault rifles.

It just shows how silly the idea that "there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle" is.
 
2013-01-20 04:02:23 PM

jbuist: Pop the grenade on the end, load a blank, and fire the grenade. They're not exactly dangerous. Well, unless you have rifle grenades. I'd say the grenades are the dangerous part

...

But if you can't fire the grenade without the grenade launcher, and the grenade launcher has no use other than firing a grenade, the logical move would be to restrict the launcher. Grenades themselves aren't semiautomatic weapons appropriate to this legislation--I'm sure those are covered instead under the "No You Can't Have Some Goddamn Grenades Act" passed after WWII.
 
2013-01-20 04:06:24 PM
Has there been a gun incident in the last 3 months that wasn't initially reported as someone carrying an AR15?
 
2013-01-20 04:06:34 PM

dameron: A picture of said murderer. This should be interesting.


Really? I'd like some official link or citation if possible. That doesn't look too much like a 15-yr old boy to me.

/And no, I will NOT have a seat over there.
 
2013-01-20 04:09:31 PM

Somacandra: jbuist: Pop the grenade on the end, load a blank, and fire the grenade. They're not exactly dangerous. Well, unless you have rifle grenades. I'd say the grenades are the dangerous part...

But if you can't fire the grenade without the grenade launcher, and the grenade launcher has no use other than firing a grenade, the logical move would be to restrict the launcher. Grenades themselves aren't semiautomatic weapons appropriate to this legislation--I'm sure those are covered instead under the "No You Can't Have Some Goddamn Grenades Act" passed after WWII.


This. We need more Acts named for what they really are.
 
2013-01-20 04:15:15 PM

Somacandra: Really? I'd like some official link or citation if possible


Well someone claiming to be Nehemiah Griego from Albuquerque uploaded that picture three weeks ago.    It's not like his name is John Smith or anything.
 
2013-01-20 04:17:51 PM

dameron: Somacandra: Really? I'd like some official link or citation if possible

Well someone claiming to be Nehemiah Griego from Albuquerque uploaded that picture three weeks ago.    It's not like his name is John Smith or anything.


Little kids in the background...
 
2013-01-20 04:23:52 PM

dameron: Nehemiah Griego


So...  Funny name?

Terrahismist trying to steal our freedoms and kill Jesus.
 
2013-01-20 04:26:23 PM
Oh yes, just add any parts or machining and make your seni automatic weapon into a machine gun.

That's not several felonies or anything.
 
2013-01-20 04:27:15 PM
http://cncnws.com/blog/2013/01/20/exclusive-boy-15-shoots-his-pastor- f ather-and-family-dead-with-military-style-assault-rifle-in-bloody-shoo ting-rampage/

It was his own family he shot.  Multiple guns in the house, everyone was armed so it was ok.  They should have been able to prevent it, right?

/I mean this is the argument right?
 
2013-01-20 04:27:54 PM

Somacandra: jbuist: Pop the grenade on the end, load a blank, and fire the grenade. They're not exactly dangerous. Well, unless you have rifle grenades. I'd say the grenades are the dangerous part...

But if you can't fire the grenade without the grenade launcher, and the grenade launcher has no use other than firing a grenade, the logical move would be to restrict the launcher. Grenades themselves aren't semiautomatic weapons appropriate to this legislation--I'm sure those are covered instead under the "No You Can't Have Some Goddamn Grenades Act" passed after WWII.


You can legally purchase grenades. I'm pretty certain the types that would be used in conjunction with the grenade launcher haven't been around for a very long time though and probably would fetch a very high price from military historical collector types.

For normal grenades, you need a NFA-specific background check, local sheriff/chief of police approval and a $200 tax per grenade.
 
2013-01-20 04:34:01 PM

Makh: http://cncnws.com/blog/2013/01/20/exclusive-boy-15-shoots-his-pastor- f ather-and-family-dead-with-military-style-assault-rifle-in-bloody-shoo ting-rampage/

It was his own family he shot.  Multiple guns in the house, everyone was armed so it was ok.  They should have been able to prevent it, right?

/I mean this is the argument right?


Actually, the argument is crazy people like this kid, are the problem. Guns are just a detail.
 
2013-01-20 04:38:44 PM

doglover: Actually, the argument is crazy people like this kid, are the problem. Guns are just a detail.


No, that and the crazy gun culture are what I am trying to say.  (That, and the NRA trying to profit off misinformation.)

From what I have heard, someone else with a gun can come in a prevent the murders.  Have guns, equals more safe.

Here is an example.   http://www.keepbusy.net/pic.php?id=2755
 
2013-01-20 04:38:51 PM
I prefer to be armed when confronted by a monster than to rely on harsh words and stern looks. If you don't want a gun it's easy don't buy one, control your actions concerning guns and I will control mine. I guess the latest generation views every life as precious, which is why abortion is so rare nowadays.
 
2013-01-20 04:39:47 PM

queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?


There is nothing more annoying than a gun grammar Nazi. Obviously, what you are trying to do is say that someone who is not an absolute expert in these guns does not deserve a voice in this debate. Don't be that asshole.
 
2013-01-20 04:40:48 PM

ekdikeo4: Has there been a gun incident in the last 3 months that wasn't initially reported as someone carrying an AR15 pitbull?

 
2013-01-20 04:41:07 PM

vpb: It just shows how silly the idea that "there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle" is.


"NRA DURR!" Like Feinstein's definition is any better.

The real definition is basically: Scary looking subset of rifles used in disproportionately small percentage of gun crimes.

Of course articulating what you would ban and why, is impossible with that tidbit acknowledged.
 
2013-01-20 04:41:11 PM
He may be a student from the school where I work
 
2013-01-20 04:42:20 PM
Makh: It was his own family he shot. Multiple guns in the house, everyone was armed so it was ok. They should have been able to prevent it, right?

/I mean this is the argument right?


yes, that is the argument, so it will be interesting what the guntards come up with now.
 
2013-01-20 04:54:40 PM

give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.


False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.
 
2013-01-20 04:57:17 PM
AR-15, the new AK-47.
 
2013-01-20 05:00:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.


From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.
 
2013-01-20 05:01:17 PM
I see maxalt does not consider his own life as "precious" as that's some kind of limp wristed librul Gen X or whatever thing now.

[smiles nastily]
 
2013-01-20 05:08:52 PM

doglover: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: vpb: queezyweezel: cameroncrazy1984: queezyweezel: What's an "assault type rifle"?

When did they modify the definition to cover semiautomatic replicas?

There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic replica".  A semi-automatic assault rifle is an actual military assault rifle with the full auto portion omitted or disabled.

It's still an assault rifle, just as a car with a transmission that won't go into fifth gear is still a car.

There's no such thing as a semi-automatic assault-rifle. It can look like one, but if it isn't capable of full-automatic (or burst) fire, then it is is just a rifle.

False, I just posted the definition right up thread for you.

From dictionary.com? Really?

( T_T)\(^-^ ) Good jorb.


Would you prefer Merriam-Webster?

Definition of  ASSAULT RIFLE: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

Congratulations, you still lose.
 
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