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2013-01-20 03:43:48 PM
I shiat in the cab when this happens.
 
2013-01-20 03:49:03 PM
I keep my gps open to make sure I'm not getting ripped off.
 
2013-01-20 04:03:41 PM
I only ride rickshaws.
 
2013-01-20 04:03:45 PM
What you said, subby.
 
2013-01-20 04:33:40 PM
I wouldn't know. I can't even think of the last time I got in a cab. Probably 5 years ago.
 
2013-01-20 04:36:15 PM
The difference there being if a waitress brings me the wrong food, I don't get charged more for her to walk the plate back and grab the right one.
 
2013-01-20 04:36:24 PM
I'm in favor of tipping servers, cabbies. etc 99% of the time. But if they do something to drive the tab up overall, that money's coming out of their tip or eliminating alltogether.
 
2013-01-20 04:38:11 PM
Nope, his farkup cost money.
 
2013-01-20 04:38:15 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.


i farted in a cab last week because he made me late, so i'm getting a kick.

(eggy farts. mmmmmm).
 
2013-01-20 04:38:59 PM
Small town in canada, all done by zones, no meters. Woot!

/i usually don't tip taxis, i'm lucky to have enough to pay for one on the rare occasion i DO use them.
//if they didn't know where they were going they DEFINITELY wouldn't be getting one
 
2013-01-20 04:39:27 PM
I'd call em in for running me up.
 
2013-01-20 04:40:08 PM
i gladly tip & over tip, but not a cabbie who is purposefully robbing me. report that sob. they have to pass tests proving they know the streets; he's a thief.
 
2013-01-20 04:40:32 PM
fark the tip and the full fare in that case.
 
2013-01-20 04:40:42 PM
Awesome, a tipping thread. These usually turn the derp up to eleven.

Don't disappoint me, Fark. I need some entertainment.
 
2013-01-20 04:40:59 PM

ras django: Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.

i farted in a cab last week because he made me late, so i'm getting a kick.

(eggy farts. mmmmmm).


Speaking of eggs, I dropped a carton of them Saturday morning. Decided to eat all 10 of the broken ones rather than let them go to waste. I will never eat more than 2 eggs in a sitting ever again, my bowels felt like they were going to quake themselves right out of my body.
 
2013-01-20 04:41:44 PM

whidbey: I wouldn't know. I can't even think of the last time I got in a cab. Probably 5 years ago.


yeah I wouldn't pick your derelict ass up either ;)
 
2013-01-20 04:41:48 PM
The Internet Tough Guy in me wants to say I wouldn't even pay the extra amount their mistake cost me. I'll settle for not tipping.
 
2013-01-20 04:42:25 PM
I wouldn't tip the waiter that brought me the wrong thing either. A tip is extra: you get it if you do a good job. You don't do a good job, you don't get a tip. Simple as that. If tips were mandatory, it would be part of the bill.
 
2013-01-20 04:43:17 PM
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2013-01-20 04:44:29 PM

WillyChase: ras django: Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.

i farted in a cab last week because he made me late, so i'm getting a kick.

(eggy farts. mmmmmm).

Speaking of eggs, I dropped a carton of them Saturday morning. Decided to eat all 10 of the broken ones rather than let them go to waste. I will never eat more than 2 eggs in a sitting ever again, my bowels felt like they were going to quake themselves right out of my body.


No man can eat 50 eggs.
 
2013-01-20 04:45:15 PM
I know exactly what I do. This is a regular occurrence in Toronto. Whether it's through malice of intent, or the unfamiliarity of the city by the mostly immigrant drivers, I'm not sure. What I do is get out of the cab and refuse to pay. Then I call another. They always come.
 
2013-01-20 04:47:21 PM
Not only am I not tipping, I am yelling at every wrong turn and not paying the full fare.
 
2013-01-20 04:47:34 PM
I don't tip strangers ever. Tips are for future service, not a pat on the head for a good job today. The rule of thumb is that if I expect to see you again, I'll give a tip, even if you were shiate.
 
2013-01-20 04:53:04 PM
Reminds me of the time I went to a club in Hollywood and they automatically added a 20% tip onto the price of a single drink from the bar. The bartender got snooty with me when I didn't leave an additional tip. $14 for a single rum & coke was effing ridiculous to start with, I'm not leaving an additional tip on top of the $2.80 they automatically added to my tab.
 
2013-01-20 04:53:10 PM
She found a cabbie that speaks english?
 
2013-01-20 04:56:22 PM
I once was in a cab with this old ditzy guy who was having trouble just trying to drive his way out of the mall parking lot. Dunno if ut was his plan all along, but he actually added an extra $5 to the fare for that. Thankfully since then the cab company was bought out by someone and one of the first things they did was to weed out the dumbasses, jerks, and scammers like this guy.
 
2013-01-20 04:56:47 PM
Boston is got some of the most worthless, shiat brained cab services in the US. The medallion system is very limited and expensive, which leads them to be owned by 3-4 companies. They basically shift rent these out to anyone who wants to post the "cost" to do so, and try their best to make their money back for the night.

So you get cab drivers right off the boat with no knowledge of the city, tasked with trying to get people places, while also trying to beat the slim margin to make back their daily fee. Combine is with he fact that Boston is a small city geographically, and every other town and city around it has their own cab services that are not allowed to take fares in Boston by law.

At the end of the day I go with Uber. It's sometime slightly more expensive, but drives get you from A to B and aren't shiatbags talking on the phone and getting you lost. Plus they actually show up when you call ahead, unlike Boston cab drivers.
 
2013-01-20 04:57:27 PM
Once had a cab pick me and 3 friends up in the pouring rain. We only needed to travel half a mile, but the downpour was so bad and we had girls with us (a rarity for me, as a Farker), so we opted for this instead. I sat up front and told the cabby where to go. He got there right away, but then proceeded to argue with me about whether we were close enough to the building we were trying to get to. He drove around for another half mile or more trying to find a way to get us closer to the building. We all just kept telling him no, it's fine, just let us out here. By the end of it, of course, we were just thankful to be at our destination, paid and got the heck out of there. We didn't tip. Ironically, had he simply dropped us off at the first place we asked, we would've given him the same amount of money for having to pick us up in the rain, and he could've pocketed the rest as tip.
 
2013-01-20 04:57:34 PM

WillyChase: ras django: Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.

i farted in a cab last week because he made me late, so i'm getting a kick.

(eggy farts. mmmmmm).

Speaking of eggs, I dropped a carton of them Saturday morning. Decided to eat all 10 of the broken ones rather than let them go to waste. I will never eat more than 2 eggs in a sitting ever again, my bowels felt like they were going to quake themselves right out of my body.


www.steroidtimes.com
Pussy.
 
2013-01-20 04:59:33 PM
Once a week I used to take a cab from work because I was sick and taking the subway sometimes made me feel worse. For a thirty dollar cab ride from my office to my house I had more than my fair share of cabbies complain about the fare because they only wanted people going to the airport or hotels, not to their homes. I spent $120 a month on cabs but after the last cabbie complained about having to return from my city to Boston during rush hour, I stopped riding cabs. Some cabbies were nice but the ones who weren't were crybabies.
 
2013-01-20 04:59:33 PM
It's the cab driver's job to transport a passenger in the most efficient way possible while maintaining an acceptable level of safety. Neglecting to do this means the passenger is not under any obligation to leave a tip.

As much as I despise the American tipping culture in general, I think it's essential to keeping cab drivers somewhat honest.
 
2013-01-20 05:02:15 PM
I would have called the cab company and had his dispatcher on the line before I got out of the cab.
 
2013-01-20 05:03:43 PM
The last time a cab driver took me the wrong way it was from somewhere I had taken a cab from a hundred times. I know the route and I know exactly how much it costs. He took a wrong turn and I had to correct him. The normal cab ride is $10.60 every time so I usually give the driver $15. By the time he corrected and got me home the ride was $18.50. I gave him $11 and told him why he tried to argue until I pointed out that the house next door to mine is the manager of his cab company and I was more than happy to knock on his door. I was bluffing though because he didn't live there anymore and I knew for a fact he was on vacation in Ethiopia.
 
HBK
2013-01-20 05:08:13 PM
I had a cabbie pick me up at a hotel and he took the long way to my destination. The fare ended up being about $15. It should have been about $10. I told him that I lived in the city for eight years, I knew what he did, he wasn't getting a tip, and if he wasn't happy with the $10, he was free to call the police because I knew he ripped me off.
 
2013-01-20 05:08:21 PM

dopekitty74: Small town in canada, all done by zones, no meters. Woot!

/i usually don't tip taxis, i'm lucky to have enough to pay for one on the rare occasion i DO use them.
//if they didn't know where they were going they DEFINITELY wouldn't be getting one


That's not an excuse. Stop being cheap. If they do a good job, tip. If they don't cheat, tip. If they do the extras like open doors or open trunks or help with stuff, TIP.

If they did a great job and all you have is 'keep the change' tip money, call the company and compliment the driver. Companies always hear complaints, it's nice to hear praise.
 
2013-01-20 05:10:20 PM
Last time I got a cab ride, I tipped the guy $5.something on a $14.something ride. He looked at the $20 like I'd stiffed him. I later learned that the driver is the head of public services in our podunk town. That's life in the sticks.
 
2013-01-20 05:10:57 PM

letrole: I don't tip strangers ever. Tips are for future service, not a pat on the head for a good job today. The rule of thumb is that if I expect to see you again, I'll give a tip, even if you were shiate.


Tipping is a religion.
 
2013-01-20 05:11:35 PM
I doubt I would know he got lost or even took the long way around. I only get taxis when I'm in an unfamiliar city with no wheels of my own.
 
2013-01-20 05:15:14 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: I keep my gps open to make sure I'm not getting ripped off.


Did this a week ago today when we took a cab from LGA to Javitz in NYC. The cabbie....mostly followed directions but when traffic got to be a hassle he improvised and still came under the estimate online. (worldtaximeter.com)
 
2013-01-20 05:17:02 PM
I dont see how thats even possible with modern GPS technology.
 
2013-01-20 05:17:45 PM
fusillade762: Tipping is a religion.

That's why your mum always gets and extra fiver.
 
2013-01-20 05:25:27 PM
I travel a lot, and in many of the Caribbean islands (EX Aruba), cab fares are fixed by the government and based on zones.

EX, go from zone A to zone C and you pay a fixed price, no matter what cab you take.

There are no meters in the cabs.

// In India, you can get a driver for $50 us per day. But if you have a good driver, tip him well because he's saving your life every day :P
 
2013-01-20 05:28:14 PM
Wrong way? Hell, you take a crpapy rout that cost more, you get no tip.

CSB Years ago when I was living in Frisco, I would regularly take a cab home from the clubs. Most cabbies would hop on the freeway for an exit or two: fast and cheap. One guy took a surface street route that cost what a normal ride+tip cost. He got no tip.
 
2013-01-20 05:31:44 PM
CSB:

Atlanta, Perimiter area. Back in 2002.

I'm training people there, bored as shiat in my hotel room one night, when my DM pounds on my door, and says, "C'mon, we're going to a tiity bar!" Whatever, but it beats watching HBO...we get one of those independent "minivan" taxis to pick us up. My DM knew where it was, but not the exact address. The guy says, oh, yeah, he can take us there, ended up going in circles around it for 30 minutes, then finally "found" it. We knew he'd farked us, but paid him anyway.

Once I got back to AL, I'd borrow a friend's cellphone and call him, asking to pick me up somewhere. Wash Rinse Repeat. He fell for it several times, because I'd use a different phone every time. He'd call back when he got to his pickup and no one was there, sometimes I wouldn't answer, sometimes I would and say, "hold on just a few more minutes".

He eventually blocked all calls from my area code.
 
2013-01-20 05:32:57 PM
I live in New Orleans. A cab driver, thinking I was a rube, took me and my girlfriend on a roundabout ride. I paid, I got out, I just happened to be carrying a battery operated bullhorn.

(CHHHRK) YOU ARE THE WORST CAB DRIVER IN NEW ORLEANS (CHHHRK)


The cab driver was terrified. Good times.
 
2013-01-20 05:39:10 PM

abitofbuffalo: Reminds me of the time I went to a club in Hollywood and they automatically added a 20% tip onto the price of a single drink from the bar. The bartender got snooty with me when I didn't leave an additional tip. $14 for a single rum & coke was effing ridiculous to start with, I'm not leaving an additional tip on top of the $2.80 they automatically added to my tab.



You may have actually stiffed the guy. The add-on tip might be something management illegally keeps. I'm not saying you did anything wrong. That bartender won't work there long unless he's a dirt bag looser anyway.
 
2013-01-20 05:40:11 PM
As long as he's not playing the Eagles we're fine.
 
2013-01-20 05:43:16 PM

Alonjar: I dont see how thats even possible with modern GPS technology.


A lot of them don't use them. There are some serious luddites. It varies wildly. In San Fran last year my trip from the airport, the guy had gps and a credit card reader built into the back seat. On the way back to the airport, the guy had a bunch of paper maps folded up on the front seat and (swear to god) had to put my credit card under one of those pink slips of paper and scribble over it with a piece of charcoal or whatever to get the impression.

As for the topic at hand, I do always tip, but I have only taken cabs for business, so it's not my money. If it were, I'd probably not do it.
 
2013-01-20 05:47:04 PM

Alonjar: I dont see how thats even possible with modern GPS technology.


Of course, it takes the 10 minutes of instruction for the English-speaking passenger's words to be understood and input by the cabbie.

/Will not miss taking cabs to "Fitzhugh Street".
 
2013-01-20 05:50:23 PM
I fly to LAX from Minneapolis several times a year, and then take the Catalina Express from Long Beach to the island. I usually go on weekdays, so my options are a 10 AM boat, or wait at the CatEx port for 4 hours until the 2:00 PM boat. The flight almost always lands at about 8:45, so by the time I deplane and run to the curb, I can usually make it if A) traffic isn't snarled for some reason and B) I have a cab driver who listens to directions and isn't afraid of the car pool lane. I always tell them there's a $20 tip in it if we make it to the harbor in time for me to get that 10AM boat, and funny thing, I've only missed the boat one time, and that was because of an accident on the 405. I still tipped the guy that time because he turned the meter off, took me to Burger King so I could get something to eat, and then took me to the harbor. Cab drivers in L.A. are totally cool if you know where you're going and let them know you know where you're going.
 
2013-01-20 05:50:40 PM

Alonjar: I dont see how thats even possible with modern GPS technology.


Mishearing temple street as temple place? Ya our gps don't have that tech yet.
 
2013-01-20 05:54:22 PM
As for the tip I'd still tip unless I was pretty sure the mistake was intentional. I am nice, or if you prefer a sucker, like that.
 
2013-01-20 05:58:07 PM

fusillade762: letrole: I don't tip strangers ever. Tips are for future service, not a pat on the head for a good job today. The rule of thumb is that if I expect to see you again, I'll give a tip, even if you were shiate.

Tipping is a religion.


Have I told you lately that I love you?
 
2013-01-20 06:00:58 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Nope, his farkup cost money.


not only did it cost money, it was theft.
report him on the number listed in the back of the cab
wait, boston has a number like that right?
chicago does ....

would have given him 6 dollars and told him to report himself for theft
if he calls the cops, press charges against him for ripping you off

sucks to be him if his job requires knowing to ASK which address you want to go to before he starts driving and he doesnt do it ...
 
2013-01-20 06:13:08 PM
In Indonesia, cab fares are negotiated before the trip begins.

/always tipped well anyway.
//paid about $5,000 rupiahs, tipped $5,000r.
///1000 rupiahs=~$1.00 at the time
 
2013-01-20 06:14:32 PM
Last time I took a cab, he got in an accident. I had to stand out in the rain to hail another one, because he was too busy yelling with the other party and to witnesses to call it in on his phone to HQ.

Half the time, they never know where they're going either.

I farking hate taking cabs. Would rather get on the subway and schlep my luggage than deal with this BS.

/US should adopt the London requirement of "The Knowledge"
 
2013-01-20 06:19:54 PM
I drove a cab for a short 3 month stint and I still say you shouldn't tip the driver if they get lost.

I mean wtf, really?
 
2013-01-20 06:19:54 PM
There's three reasons I won't tip a cabbie:

(1) Getting lost
(2) When he asks me to give him directions AND HE HAS A GODDAMN GPS IN THE CAB
(3) When I have to spend the whole trip talking to him and coughing loudly at random intervals to keep him awake.
 
2013-01-20 06:20:12 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: dopekitty74: Small town in canada, all done by zones, no meters. Woot!

/i usually don't tip taxis, i'm lucky to have enough to pay for one on the rare occasion i DO use them.
//if they didn't know where they were going they DEFINITELY wouldn't be getting one

That's not an excuse. Stop being cheap. If they do a good job, tip. If they don't cheat, tip. If they do the extras like open doors or open trunks or help with stuff, TIP.

If they did a great job and all you have is 'keep the change' tip money, call the company and compliment the driver. Companies always hear complaints, it's nice to hear praise.


Cheat? How could they cheat? There's no meters. They call in via cb type radio to dispatch when they pick you up, and the dispatcher quotes the fare so the customer hears it. I'm always cheerful and tell them thank you, but they don't generally get out and open doors for you either. Tipping cabs in Fredericton isn't terribly common.
 
2013-01-20 06:20:57 PM

oh_please: I'm training people there, bored as shiat in my hotel room one night, when my DM pounds on my door


You were there with your Dungeon Master?
 
2013-01-20 06:21:31 PM
media.monstersandcritics.com
 
2013-01-20 06:22:56 PM
I travel very little and live in a very rural area with minimal taxi service so i rarely use them and if they get lost no tip. getting thier passenger from point a to point b in a quick and safe manner is their job if they fail they get nothing above the fare.
 
2013-01-20 06:34:32 PM
Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.
 
2013-01-20 06:34:57 PM
Being as he did that deliberately to drive the fare (and he did, cabbies know where they are going and what they are doing), no way I'd farking tip the asshole. I'd lodge a complaint for fare gouging as well.
 
2013-01-20 06:35:36 PM
What are these "Taxis" you speak of?

/Rochester
 
2013-01-20 06:36:09 PM

pete1729: I live in New Orleans. A cab driver, thinking I was a rube, took me and my girlfriend on a roundabout ride. I paid, I got out, I just happened to be carrying a battery operated bullhorn.

(CHHHRK) YOU ARE THE WORST CAB DRIVER IN NEW ORLEANS (CHHHRK)


The cab driver was terrified. Good times.


Back in my earlier days, I lived in NOLA, on Broadway, right near Tulane, and I'd occasionally take Greyhound home for a few days. I knew the cabride from the Greyhound station to that spot on Broadway ran $5 or $5.50, depending on traffic or what exit the driver took.

One day this dude, who I remember from previous trips as being legit, ran the meter, charged me right, treated me well, was at the taxi stand outside the depot. Got in, gave him the address, but he never put the meter on. Silly ol me thought he was going to make a quick run, pocket the money as cash, and that was that. In New Orleans, a little money on the side is a way of life.

Got to where I needed to be, he turns around and tells me it's $22. I hand him a $5 bill and told him that was what he charged me the last time I went from A to B. And the time before that. He starts making a stink, and I tell him to call the cops so he can show his meter.

I made him carry my luggage from the trunk to the sidewalk across the street for being an asshole. Sometimes, ya just gotta call their bluff.
 
2013-01-20 06:36:19 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: oh_please: I'm training people there, bored as shiat in my hotel room one night, when my DM pounds on my door

You were there with your Dungeon Master?


Yeah, that's why he couldn't find the titty bar.
 
2013-01-20 06:37:16 PM
As a woman, I've been given the cabbie run around several times.. Long route, "got lost", taking a street they know construction is happening, etc... So hell no, I give them what the ride is worth, and tell em to call the cops, but they never do.
Funny that these things rarely happen if there is a man in the cab with me. So now, first thing I do when I get in a cab is take a pic of their cabbie-license that they must display on the dashboard, then fire up the GPS. Seems to help once they know I'm not farking around.
 
2013-01-20 06:38:32 PM

moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.


If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.
 
2013-01-20 06:38:51 PM
The best cabbies I know continue to get my business for two reasons. One - they KNOW THE CITY and two - when they know they can get a guaranteed fare rather than drive around, they give me their card with their cell on it. I get in touch with them, pay cash, and they get full fare and a decent tip. AND I don't have to wait and wait; they know where they are, traffic consditions, and how fast. They don't BS me - if the Seahawks just let out they know it's gonna be a biatch...

On the other hand, if you gonna get in a screaming match on your phone while driving me around, I will take your phone and turn it off. I have actually had to do this. Yikes!
 
2013-01-20 06:44:54 PM

gas giant: What are these "Taxis" you speak of?

/Rochester


The Africans in minivans outside the bus station. They're slow, but since I was expecting nookie on the other end of those cab rides, maybe my perception was affected.
 
2013-01-20 06:59:16 PM
I try to have an idea of how to best get where I'm going. Then, I would tell them to take that way. If they argue and want to take another way and you really know they are just trying to drive up the bill, then I'd threaten to call the taxi authority.

If it was an honest mistake and he really got lost (which would have to be based on my guess of what happened), and it wasn't a ton of money I'd still tip.

If they were just screwing you over, I wouldn't tip. I was just talking to my SO today about this.. he is working in Bahrain and they are always going to the same few places in cabs. They always pay the same amount, if the guy takes the right road it is a good tip, if the guy tries to screw them it is no tip...
 
2013-01-20 07:05:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: letrole: I don't tip strangers ever. Tips are for future service, not a pat on the head for a good job today. The rule of thumb is that if I expect to see you again, I'll give a tip, even if you were shiate.

Tipping is a religion.

Have I told you lately that I love you?


Awww...

*blush*
 
2013-01-20 07:46:58 PM
static2.businessinsider.com

"That'll be $15... plus tip"
 
2013-01-20 07:56:21 PM

KrispyKritter: i gladly tip & over tip, but not a cabbie who is purposefully robbing me. report that sob. they have to pass tests proving they know the streets; he's a thief.


Not necessarily. The passenger could have said 'Fergusen please'


Technically, I think the meter is supposed to be off if the driver is lost. I guess he can make the argument he isnt lost... Just bad destination input to him.
 
2013-01-20 07:59:01 PM
I once had a waiter bring me the wrong food then try to charge me for what I ordered and the incorrect dish he brought me. I mentioned that he made a mistake and I wouldn't be paying for it. He insisted that I pay for both so I just left instead. Free dinner.
 
2013-01-20 08:18:47 PM

wumpus: I once had a waiter bring me the wrong food then try to charge me for what I ordered and the incorrect dish he brought me. I mentioned that he made a mistake and I wouldn't be paying for it. He insisted that I pay for both so I just left instead. Free dinner.


I was at dinner the other night with some friends and I ordered a beef taco and a chicken enchilada. I ended up getting chicken in both. When my friend tried to alert the waiter in Spanish he rushed off to fix it and brought me a beef enchilada. When we got him to slow down so we could explain he finally brought me the beef taco. So I ended up with twice as much food as I had ordered for no extra cost.
 
2013-01-20 08:19:30 PM

nipner: As a woman, I've been given the cabbie run around several times.. Long route, "got lost", taking a street they know construction is happening, etc... So hell no, I give them what the ride is worth, and tell em to call the cops, but they never do.
Funny that these things rarely happen if there is a man in the cab with me. So now, first thing I do when I get in a cab is take a pic of their cabbie-license that they must display on the dashboard, then fire up the GPS. Seems to help once they know I'm not farking around.


you must be a pleasure to be around. good grief.
 
2013-01-20 08:21:23 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.


You, sir, are both a gentleman and a scholar.
 
2013-01-20 08:38:01 PM

Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.


Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.
 
2013-01-20 08:51:33 PM

Alonjar: I dont see how thats even possible with modern GPS technology.


Maybe they were using Apple Maps?
 
2013-01-20 08:53:16 PM
Want to work for a decent wage? quit accepting tips.
 
2013-01-20 09:02:29 PM

titwrench: Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.

Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.



Including the people who whine about how predictable it is...
 
2013-01-20 09:16:08 PM
If you are using a cab to make a specific trip, and you know the route and how much the fare is on a reasonable day, the next step is to pick a reliable cabbie on one of your trips and ask for his number/card and if he will flat rate you for the trip if you give him your regular business. Most cabbies are happy to pick up the extra income from personal clients, and it means you don't get dicked and there's less potential reason to dick the cabbie on the tip, so everyone stays mellow.

If your regular cabbie is not available, when you call or flag down, have a conversation. If you know the average fare from point A to point B is about $7, you tell the dispatch/driver that you have a 10-spot on you, and the cabbie can keep for himself whatever isn't on the meter when you get there.
 
2013-01-20 09:22:58 PM

Tax Boy: Last time I took a cab, he got in an accident. I had to stand out in the rain to hail another one, because he was too busy yelling with the other party and to witnesses to call it in on his phone to HQ.

Half the time, they never know where they're going either.

I farking hate taking cabs. Would rather get on the subway and schlep my luggage than deal with this BS.

/US should adopt the London requirement of "The Knowledge"


Yeah, The Knowledge is not to be sniffed at:

All-London drivers' Knowledge is based on learning 320 routes (or runs). This will help them learn the 25,000 streets and 20,000 landmarks and places of interest in the six mile radius of Charing Cross.It takes between two and four years to pass the All-London Knowledge. Once you are licensed you can work anywhere in the Greater London area.
Also, 25000 streets and 20000 landmarks/POI in a six-mile radius. Crazy.
 
2013-01-20 09:27:41 PM
PSA - for you farkers going to Vegas and staying on the strip - and I know a lot of you do, anytime the cab heads for the 205 from the airport you're being long-hauled. They should head North to Tropicana, Sahara etc.

/just a PSA
 
2013-01-20 09:30:04 PM
Ooops - 215. sorry.
 
2013-01-20 09:38:02 PM

Robert Farker: titwrench: Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.

Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.


Including the people who whine about how predictable it is...


Says the cock sucking troll with a 7 month old account. Whose alt are you?
 
2013-01-20 09:56:22 PM

titwrench: Robert Farker: titwrench: Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.

Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.


Including the people who whine about how predictable it is...

Says the cock sucking troll with a 7 month old account. Whose alt are you?



Sometimes someone gives you exactly what you wanted even when you didn't realize what it was you were looking for.

This is one of those times.

Thank you sir
 
2013-01-20 10:05:58 PM
I have only taken a cab once in my life. The driver did end up taking a wrong turn onto a one-way street, which forced him to go over a bridge and then circle around through the maze of one-way streets on the other side so he could get back to the side of the river I needed to be on. As soon as he realized his mistake, he turned off the meter and apologized, and left the meter off for half the ride after he'd gotten back to the correct side of the river.

/guess I got one of the good ones
//I tipped him generously
 
2013-01-20 10:13:15 PM

moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads


That reminds me, how much do people tip cops? I always figured 20% was fair (or at least $5). But you should see the looks some cops give me when I put the money in their hands. Not enough?
 
2013-01-20 10:15:09 PM

nipner: As a woman, I've been given the cabbie run around several times.. Long route, "got lost", taking a street they know construction is happening, etc... So hell no, I give them what the ride is worth, and tell em to call the cops, but they never do.
Funny that these things rarely happen if there is a man in the cab with me. So now, first thing I do when I get in a cab is take a pic of their cabbie-license that they must display on the dashboard, then fire up the GPS. Seems to help once they know I'm not farking around.


Geez...lady you'er a real ball buster.
 
2013-01-20 10:46:28 PM

moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.


Don't forget bicyclist threads.
 
2013-01-20 10:49:02 PM
In college, in a snowstorm I was trying to get to the Philadelphia airport to get home for Christmas. I was running late for the flight and the cabbie took a second fare that was "on the way" He turned the meter off when it got to $4, which he said would have been my fare to the airport if not for the detour. All I had was a $5 bill to my name and had not eaten all day. He was offended that I asked for my change even when I apologized and told him that I needed the money to eat. He said his family had to eat too. I called a cop over and he made the cabbie give me my change. I still like Philadelphia, though.
 
2013-01-20 10:53:24 PM

wambu: In college, in a snowstorm I was trying to get to the Philadelphia airport to get home for Christmas. I was running late for the flight and the cabbie took a second fare that was "on the way" He turned the meter off when it got to $4, which he said would have been my fare to the airport if not for the detour. All I had was a $5 bill to my name and had not eaten all day. He was offended that I asked for my change even when I apologized and told him that I needed the money to eat. He said his family had to eat too. I called a cop over and he made the cabbie give me my change. I still like Philadelphia, though.


Maybe you shouldn't be taking a cab when you're that broke. Anyways, I hope you realize that your story makes YOU look like the bad guy, not the cabbie.
 
2013-01-20 10:59:05 PM
Oh ffs.

home.earthlink.net

// G-7
 
2013-01-20 11:04:42 PM
I remember once i didnt pay a cabbie...

CSB:

This one time i wanted to buy some pot so i went over to my guys place. He was acting edgy and said his guy was comming. 30 mins went by and he got edgier. i was weirded out cause this is in edmonton and its just reefer right? This is just supposed to be a 50 dollar transaction for some weed -- not a stressful time... But anyways he calls a cab and tellms me i can come along. we hop into the back and head into the north end and he starts asking me "if i got his back -- you know -- if we get jumped..." to wich im like... wtf? i havent been in i fight since grade 9 man. but he shrugs and says "dont worry, i got it"...

Well he sees what i find out later is his girlfriend walking on the side of the road and he tells the cabbie to pull over. He gets out and starts just screaming at this poor girl. Hes just calling her out and down and screaming like an asshole at her. i have no idea whats going on. i barely know this guy. -- the cabbie starts mentioning the dude is angry and whats his deal? and all i can do is go "uhh..." so i kept trying to make small talk with this old somalian guy about how long hes been working and how he likes it and everything when a white car pulls up to my dealer and the girl. My guy starts yelling at the guy in the car and then it happens.

He pulls a pistol out and aims it right through the white cars window. I nearly crapped myself when i saw the gun come out. And then the cabbie ordered my ass out of the vehicle. And i did NOT want to get out.. I told him we hadn't payed and to just farking hold on and then he started screaming at me to get out of his cab. He told me to get out in a voice that implied he was going to beat me with a wrench if i didn't.

The white car sped off pulled around and tried to run the guy i was with over and we walked home from a very crappy part of town while the guy yelled at his lady and smacked her around. (i stayed a few blocks back and i could hear her crying and him yelling at her) When we got back i was just going to grab my bike and continue on home but his girl who he had just beat up insisted i come up and get my weed.

When we got up stairs he tossed me the stuff and i gave him the money and i heard her say -- "WHAT?? THE fark? YOU MAKE HIM GO THROUGH ALL THAT shiat AND YOUR NOT GOING TO GIVE HIME EXTRA???" then she tossed me a dime bag i said thanks and left.

And never called that phone number again. But yeah -- if someone you are with pulls a gun your cabbie will likely comp your ride.

\I felt so guilty that i didnt do anything to stop what was going on. I't takes shiat like that to make you realize you have to take a stand against it. because as scary as it is the guilt is worse.
\\ i met the girl on the lrt a few years later. I recognized her and appologized and she strangely appologized to me and said she found a guy that turned her life around. She seemed happy and such and i felt better.
\\\still feel guilty. imhd hand guns carried by crazy people take the fire out of your belly pretty fast.
\\\\csb
 
2013-01-20 11:20:11 PM

Farxist Marxist: PSA - for you farkers going to Vegas and staying on the strip - and I know a lot of you do, anytime the cab heads for the 205 from the airport you're being long-hauled. They should head North to Tropicana, Sahara etc.

/just a PSA


This. You have to tell them NOT to take the tunnel (they'll know what you mean). They should take the airport exit to Tropicana, if you're on the strip.

Unless you're staying on Fremont street - then take the tunnel.

//more PSA
 
2013-01-20 11:26:41 PM
Last time I used a taxi was 2 months ago I was shiat-faced, racked up a $30 fare, spilled potato chips all over the backseat in his cab, then realized I had NO money when I arrived at my destination
 
2013-01-21 12:28:53 AM
My tip is based on how much air we catch and how close to other cars we split lanes.

www.hardcoregaming101.net
 
2013-01-21 12:37:49 AM

st1cky: Last time I used a taxi was 2 months ago I was shiat-faced, racked up a $30 fare, spilled potato chips all over the backseat in his cab, then realized I had NO money when I arrived at my destination


So did you shiat in the back seat?
 
2013-01-21 12:50:00 AM
How about you clearly state where you want to go when you enter the cab instead of texting on your phone
 
2013-01-21 12:53:49 AM

Larva Lump: Oh ffs.

[home.earthlink.net image 500x275]

// G-7


But he's just a poor college student who is FLYING home..clearly he needs the dollar more...lol, whole story seems made up
 
2013-01-21 01:08:46 AM
What amazes me are the under-five-dollar cab fares people keep talking about. Hell, it's ten bucks here (not counting the tip) just to go the 2.5 miles from my work to downtown. I took a cab to the theater last month and it was over $20 just to go six miles.
 
2013-01-21 01:18:44 AM

KrispyKritter: nipner: As a woman, I've been given the cabbie run around several times.. Long route, "got lost", taking a street they know construction is happening, etc... So hell no, I give them what the ride is worth, and tell em to call the cops, but they never do.
Funny that these things rarely happen if there is a man in the cab with me. So now, first thing I do when I get in a cab is take a pic of their cabbie-license that they must display on the dashboard, then fire up the GPS. Seems to help once they know I'm not farking around.

you must be a pleasure to be around. good grief.


Hey! She is absolutely right and YOU sound like you have problems with the wimmen folk.
I bet if you heard/read this from a guy you'd say 'Fark, YEAH, dude! Don't fark around with them damned raghead cab drivers!'
 
2013-01-21 01:53:03 AM
Last time I took a cab, $5 wouldn't have gotten me far enough to be worth paying $5 for the ride, let alone another $5 for a tip.
 
2013-01-21 01:58:21 AM
I miss taxis in Japan...no tipping (they're insulted if you do) and the driver will always open the door for you (with a lever operated from the driver's seat, he never has to get up, but still...)
 
2013-01-21 02:02:36 AM
Cabs should be able to make money on the cost of the fare alone. If they can't then they shouldn't be in business.
 
2013-01-21 02:44:33 AM

BakaDono: I miss taxis in Japan...no tipping (they're insulted if you do) and the driver will always open the door for you (with a lever operated from the driver's seat, he never has to get up, but still...)


And they wear those awesome white gloves.
 
2013-01-21 02:45:51 AM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: I shiat in the cab when this happens.


Report him to the waterboarders, same as usual.
 
2013-01-21 02:55:11 AM

Robert Farker: titwrench: Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.

Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.

Including the people who whine about how predictable it is...


And the people whining about the people who whine about how predictable it is.
 
2013-01-21 03:41:27 AM
I used to take a cab to go see my gf. The trip was $20 I would tip $20. One cabbie took me a second time and gave me his cell number back when cell phone were just kicking off(bag phone, LOL). Told me to call anytime I needed a ride. I woke his ass up more than once. He was always prompt and happy to hear from me.
 
2013-01-21 05:08:49 AM
Is there any profession that doesn't need tipping in the US?
 
2013-01-21 05:59:06 AM

lucksi: Is there any profession that doesn't need tipping in the US?


Well, there's no real "need" to tip, but it's a big social taboo if you don't. To some, it can be ostracizing, depending on the company you keep, to not tip, or to not tip enough, even for service that is less than ideal.

Another part is that the arbitrary number for the ideal tip amount keeps going up. What was once 10% a few years back, went to 15%, and now to 20%, with no real increase in the level of service. Tipping is nice, we should all do it when the service is good, but the amount we tip should be based upon other factors than simply the price of our meal/cab ride/haircut/etc. One factor should be what the consumer can afford to pay, another factor should be what the consumer thinks is fair price. Now, servers/bartenders/etc. etc. will always say things along the lines of "if you can't afford to tip 20%, then you shouldn't be eating/drinking here" which is just stupid. Eating out to some is a luxury, something to be savoured and enjoyed, and like a fine bottle of scotch, sometimes people have to save up to afford it. Another factor is, if you're spending $200 on a night out with your loved one, and you're there for maybe 45 minutes, an hour, $40 may be too damn much to tip to someone who merely brings you your food and comes around every 15 minutes asking if everything is alright.

So to finally answer your question, ... it seems more and more that, people who deal with the public and provide a service, are also demanding tips.
 
2013-01-21 07:07:22 AM
Nothing about the fact that the cab ride only costs $5? Can't take the 10, 15 minutes to walk that? (Okay, maybe the weather's bad.)

Cost me $20 to go 6km, about an hours walk.
 
2013-01-21 07:44:50 AM

Larva Lump: Oh ffs.

[home.earthlink.net image 500x275]

// G-7


why does everyone keep posting white rectangles. i remember the pictures, and that's what i loved about fark

but white squares what's up with that
 
2013-01-21 08:34:07 AM

TheJoe03: wambu: In college, in a snowstorm I was trying to get to the Philadelphia airport to get home for Christmas. I was running late for the flight and the cabbie took a second fare that was "on the way" He turned the meter off when it got to $4, which he said would have been my fare to the airport if not for the detour. All I had was a $5 bill to my name and had not eaten all day. He was offended that I asked for my change even when I apologized and told him that I needed the money to eat. He said his family had to eat too. I called a cop over and he made the cabbie give me my change. I still like Philadelphia, though.

Maybe you shouldn't be taking a cab when you're that broke. Anyways, I hope you realize that your story makes YOU look like the bad guy, not the cabbie.


I was 17,  stranded in a snowstorm, and trying to get home and had taken the bus and thumbed to Philadelphia from upstate NY.  I wasn't going to stiff the guy, but he didn't even offer me the chance to give him a tip; he just kept the change without asking and I'm the bad guy? What's your point again?
 
2013-01-21 08:49:27 AM

wambu: as trying to get to the Philadelphia airport to get home for Christmas. I was running late for the flight and the cabbie took a second fare that was "on the way" He turned the meter off when it got to $4, which he said would have been my fare to the airport if not for the detour. All I had was a $5 bill to my name and had not eaten all day. He was offended that I asked for my change even when I apologized and told him that I needed the money to eat. He said his family had to eat too. I called a cop over and he made the cabbie give me m


You're an asshole.
 
2013-01-21 08:52:36 AM

wambu:

I was 17,  stranded in a snowstorm, and trying to get home and had taken the bus and thumbed to Philadelphia from upstate NY.  I wasn't going to stiff the guy, but he didn't even offer me the chance to give him a tip; he just kept the change without asking and I'm the bad guy? What's your point again?


You said he turned off the meter at $4 but you only had $5. What if the fare was $6? You were going to stiff the guy.
 
2013-01-21 08:54:05 AM
Okay... a $5.00 cab ride? In Toronto, it literally costs me $4.25 to SIT INSIDE OF THE CAB.

One time on our cab ride home from a delightful trip to Disney World, I leaned into the cab and asked "Do you take VISA or debit?" to which he replied "Yes. Hop in" (I had like $10 on hand), I even asked AGAIN half way there. He drives us past our destination and puts us out about 10 minutes, we were on the highway, he had to get off at the next ramp and turning around. Then when he was going to turn onto our street he PASSED it after I repeatedly said "turn right here". Every street was one way until the next major intersection. He turns around all pissed off drives us home and says "I ran out of credit card slips (because this cabbie didn't have a machine), you'll have to pay cash". I explained I didn't have any cash and that I explained this to him when I got into the cab. He pops the trunk and stares at us (while we get our luggage) and for some dumbass reason I hand him my $10 (on a $50+ bill). Worst cab ride ever. I tried calling the management company but it was not in service.

To this day, we take transit home from the airport or have a family member pick us up. He shat on our good vacation.
 
2013-01-21 08:55:00 AM

tbhouston: Larva Lump: Oh ffs.

[home.earthlink.net image 500x275]

// G-7

But he's just a poor college student who is FLYING home..clearly he needs the dollar more...lol, whole story seems made up


You're right, shouldn't have wasted time posting.
 
2013-01-21 09:04:49 AM
Every tipping thread includes posters from entitled snowflakes with humanities degrees demanding a tip even when service has been terrible.
 
2013-01-21 09:11:56 AM
What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?
 
2013-01-21 09:40:11 AM
css:

I got into a cab once and the guy drove straight past the address I gave him, and just kept going. I kept yelling, then screaming at him to turn back, and he told me to shut up. I was about 8 months pregnant at the time, and the whole thing scared me shiatless. The guy drove me about five miles past where I was supposed to be before he finally stopped at a red light, and I jumped out and ran. He came after me, screaming "farking biatch! farking biatch!" at me until I jumped into another cab. I got the guy's medallion number and called 311 to report him, ended up having to go to taxi court to make a complaint. Found out when I got there that they had filed charges against me for theft of services, since I told them I hadn't paid the cab driver. The judge thoughtfully dropped the charges against me when I told my story. Not much happened to the cab driver, he got a small fine and a couple of points on his license.

/While I was waiting my turn for court appearance, I was talking to somebody else who was waiting his turn. He was there because he'd used a credit card to pay for his ride, and his driver had charged him $800 for a tip.
//New York farking City
 
2013-01-21 10:09:52 AM

Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?


because they could ignore your swill drinking ass to pour for someone else that appreciates the asshole management a bartender has to do.
 
2013-01-21 10:29:02 AM

Girion47: Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?

because they could ignore your swill drinking ass to pour for someone else that appreciates the asshole management a bartender has to do.


No need to be touchy about it.

It just seems strange to me that consumers in the US tolerate this. I don't know what the average price of a beer is in a bar where you are, but you can safely add a dollar to it for the tip? Why not just pay the bartender a fair wage and scrap the tip system, which seems to lead to confusion and gradually increasing tip percentages (i.e. it was 15% the one time I was in the US six years ago, now I see people haughtily informed they need to give at least 20% to be "fair" to good staff, in recent tipping threads).

/Also, I presume you used to, or still do, work in a bar?
 
2013-01-21 10:36:06 AM

Ostman: Girion47: Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?

because they could ignore your swill drinking ass to pour for someone else that appreciates the asshole management a bartender has to do.

No need to be touchy about it.

It just seems strange to me that consumers in the US tolerate this. I don't know what the average price of a beer is in a bar where you are, but you can safely add a dollar to it for the tip? Why not just pay the bartender a fair wage and scrap the tip system, which seems to lead to confusion and gradually increasing tip percentages (i.e. it was 15% the one time I was in the US six years ago, now I see people haughtily informed they need to give at least 20% to be "fair" to good staff, in recent tipping threads).

/Also, I presume you used to, or still do, work in a bar?


I know of bars where I can get beers for less than a dollar, or a pint glass of liquor and ice with a splash of mixer for $1.50. So yeah, adding a dollar to the tip isn't a big deal at all.

I've never worked in the food/bar industry.
 
2013-01-21 11:01:36 AM
v015o.popscreen.com

That's $2.95, including the luggage.
Tell me, how may stores are there named Bloomingdales in this town?
One, why?
We passed it twice.
It's still $2.95, including the luggage.
Yeah, well there's $3.00, including the tip.
 
2013-01-21 11:11:44 AM

dkny: lucksi: Is there any profession that doesn't need tipping in the US?

Well, there's no real "need" to tip, but it's a big social taboo if you don't. To some, it can be ostracizing, depending on the company you keep, to not tip, or to not tip enough, even for service that is less than ideal.

Another part is that the arbitrary number for the ideal tip amount keeps going up. What was once 10% a few years back, went to 15%, and now to 20%, with no real increase in the level of service. Tipping is nice, we should all do it when the service is good, but the amount we tip should be based upon other factors than simply the price of our meal/cab ride/haircut/etc. One factor should be what the consumer can afford to pay, another factor should be what the consumer thinks is fair price. Now, servers/bartenders/etc. etc. will always say things along the lines of "if you can't afford to tip 20%, then you shouldn't be eating/drinking here" which is just stupid. Eating out to some is a luxury, something to be savoured and enjoyed, and like a fine bottle of scotch, sometimes people have to save up to afford it. Another factor is, if you're spending $200 on a night out with your loved one, and you're there for maybe 45 minutes, an hour, $40 may be too damn much to tip to someone who merely brings you your food and comes around every 15 minutes asking if everything is alright.

So to finally answer your question, ... it seems more and more that, people who deal with the public and provide a service, are also demanding tips.


The number goes up because the base pay goes down.

I don't care for it but I am sure as shiat not going to punish professional servants for corporate greed.

And no, being poor is not an excuse. That is a reason to go out less, not a reason to demand servants take a cut for you.

The benefit of a service economy is that the rest of us live like kings. The downside is we have to ensure our servants can survive in this economy. Anything less results in a race to the bottom no different than the walmarts of the world underpaying staff or crop pickers getting screwed.
 
2013-01-21 11:42:25 AM

titwrench: Robert Farker: moothemagiccow: Can anyone else name the other FARK threads that are basically one 1,000,000 comment thread?

-Cop threads
-Tipping threads

Seriously you guys come in here and argue about the exact same shiat, have the same prepared remarks every time. It's weird. The only thing that's different is the article and the first four comments.

If you are trying to be ironic, stop, just stop.

Why? Moo is 100% correct. At this point in time you can pretty much write your own tipping thread, cycling thread, gun thread, etc. This shiat is so predictable any more.


Actually, no. It's a consumerist article that doesn't involve whining over a non-problem, so it certainly is not like every other thread.
 
2013-01-21 12:29:02 PM

Girion47: Ostman: Girion47: Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?

because they could ignore your swill drinking ass to pour for someone else that appreciates the asshole management a bartender has to do.

No need to be touchy about it.

It just seems strange to me that consumers in the US tolerate this. I don't know what the average price of a beer is in a bar where you are, but you can safely add a dollar to it for the tip? Why not just pay the bartender a fair wage and scrap the tip system, which seems to lead to confusion and gradually increasing tip percentages (i.e. it was 15% the one time I was in the US six years ago, now I see people haughtily informed they need to give at least 20% to be "fair" to good staff, in recent tipping threads).

/Also, I presume you used to, or still do, work in a bar?

I know of bars where I can get beers for less than a dollar, or a pint glass of liquor and ice with a splash of mixer for $1.50. So yeah, adding a dollar to the tip isn't a big deal at all.

I've never worked in the food/bar industry.


Fair enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Just to give you an example, I live in the SE of Ireland, and there are a few pubs where I can get a large bottle of Guinness for €3.33 (with 3 for €10 deals).
But unless the entire population of my town can be crammed into those few pubs, you're looking at paying €4+. Say roughly the same pricing for pints of beer.

So what's the average where you live that most people would end up paying. Then add the dollar to the tip and see how expensive it starts to get.

/Tips for bartenders don't happen where I live, as the minimum wage for all workers over 18 is €8.65 / hour, with €6.92 (IIRC) for those in their first year of training. (And no, I'm not so naive that I think every bartender in the country is being treated fairly by their employers, but that doesn't justify introducing tipping for everyone).
//What do bartenders in the US earn?
 
2013-01-21 12:30:55 PM

Ostman: Girion47: Ostman: Girion47: Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?

because they could ignore your swill drinking ass to pour for someone else that appreciates the asshole management a bartender has to do.

No need to be touchy about it.

It just seems strange to me that consumers in the US tolerate this. I don't know what the average price of a beer is in a bar where you are, but you can safely add a dollar to it for the tip? Why not just pay the bartender a fair wage and scrap the tip system, which seems to lead to confusion and gradually increasing tip percentages (i.e. it was 15% the one time I was in the US six years ago, now I see people haughtily informed they need to give at least 20% to be "fair" to good staff, in recent tipping threads).

/Also, I presume you used to, or still do, work in a bar?

I know of bars where I can get beers for less than a dollar, or a pint glass of liquor and ice with a splash of mixer for $1.50. So yeah, adding a dollar to the tip isn't a big deal at all.

I've never worked in the food/bar industry.

Fair enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Just to give you an example, I live in the SE of Ireland, and there are a few pubs where I can get a large bottle of Guinness for €3.33 (with 3 for €10 deals).
But unless the entire population of my town can be crammed into those few pubs, you're looking at paying €4+. Say roughly the same pricing for pints of beer.

So what's the average where you live that most people would end up paying ...


about 1.60 Euros an hour. Rest of the income is derived from tips.
 
2013-01-21 12:50:12 PM

Niveras: Nothing about the fact that the cab ride only costs $5? Can't take the 10, 15 minutes to walk that? (Okay, maybe the weather's bad.)

Cost me $20 to go 6km, about an hours walk.


Late to explain, but mine was $5 in 1984-85 dollars. Plus I had luggage, and NO did not have public transpo after a certain time. It would have been about a 4 mile walk from near the Superdome through some sketchy ass neighborhoods after dark. Worth the 5 bucks to me, even though that was the equivalent of 20 draft beers at my local watering hole on Sundays. And I did tip if I wasn't getting ripped off.
 
2013-01-21 01:10:57 PM

Ostman: Fair enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Just to give you an example, I live in the SE of Ireland, and there are a few pubs where I can get a large bottle of Guinness for €3.33 (with 3 for €10 deals).
But unless the entire population of my town can be crammed into those few pubs, you're looking at paying €4+. Say roughly the same pricing for pints of beer.

So what's the average where you live that most people would end up paying. Then add the dollar to the tip and see how expensive it starts to get.


Gee, it's almost like the portion of bill that is an American tip is already factored into the pricing of the goods you buy. :)

I think if informed of how things work elsewhere, 99% of waiters in America would prefer to be treated like professionals with respect, payed well, and not looked down upon (like in Germany). But the average worker in these jobs hardly has the ability to stick it to their bosses and demand change. That gets you fired and replaced. Combine that with a hatred for all things 47% and union and it's a pretty steep climb to enact change.

The wage for waitstaff where I used to work actually went down over around a 25 year period in non-inflation adjusted dollars. They were paying 3.25 an hour when the oldest waitress I worked with was hired. We were all paid 2.15 when I worked there and there was talk of it going down again before I quit. Figuring inflation that is a base wage adjustment of what, at least a 2/3 reduction?
 
2013-01-21 01:19:07 PM

ThurmanMerman: I got into a cab once and the guy drove straight past the address I gave him, and just kept going. I kept yelling, then screaming at him to turn back, and he told me to shut up. I was about 8 months pregnant at the time, and the whole thing scared me shiatless.


So... "shiatless"...?
2.bp.blogspot.com
ok :(
 
2013-01-21 01:51:30 PM
Here in Philly, it is not uncommon for a cabbie to see you've been drinking and take you 12 blocks out of your way. There have been many a time when I have to leap out of the cab and not pay them anything. scumbags.
 
2013-01-21 05:27:20 PM

wambu: TheJoe03: wambu: In college, in a snowstorm I was trying to get to the Philadelphia airport to get home for Christmas. I was running late for the flight and the cabbie took a second fare that was "on the way" He turned the meter off when it got to $4, which he said would have been my fare to the airport if not for the detour. All I had was a $5 bill to my name and had not eaten all day. He was offended that I asked for my change even when I apologized and told him that I needed the money to eat. He said his family had to eat too. I called a cop over and he made the cabbie give me my change. I still like Philadelphia, though.

Maybe you shouldn't be taking a cab when you're that broke. Anyways, I hope you realize that your story makes YOU look like the bad guy, not the cabbie.

I was 17,  stranded in a snowstorm, and trying to get home and had taken the bus and thumbed to Philadelphia from upstate NY.  I wasn't going to stiff the guy, but he didn't even offer me the chance to give him a tip; he just kept the change without asking and I'm the bad guy? What's your point again?


That you were in the wrong, not the cabbie. Also, don't take a cab with only 5 bucks, it's not a bus.
 
2013-01-21 09:15:50 PM

TheJoe03: That you were in the wrong, not the cabbie. Also, don't take a cab with only 5 bucks, it's not a bus.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-21 11:14:55 PM

wambu: TheJoe03: That you were in the wrong, not the cabbie. Also, don't take a cab with only 5 bucks, it's not a bus.

[i.imgur.com image 519x355]


At least you can admit now that you were being a whiny little baby.
 
2013-01-22 12:05:13 AM

Ostman: What's interesting to me are the number of people making reference to "calling the police" in this thread, as a method of calling out scumbag taxi drivers.

Is this just a way of escalating the argument, or are the tips legally required now in some areas? Pretty sure it's the former, but so many have said it I just want to make sure, in case I ever need to get a taxi in the States.

/Not American.
//You tip for everything.
///Also, why tip bartenders for taking a bottle out of the fridge, taking the cap off and handing it to you?


Calling police is more like calling a bluff. The cop will probably ask the rider to pay the meter and take it up with court; if the rider complains further, probably call cab dispatch and get a quote for the route and make rider pay that and make case in court.

I am sure the cabby does not want to wait around 30 mins for a cop to show up to settle things, and a cop will not enforce a tip.
 
2013-01-22 04:31:57 AM

Smackledorfer: Ostman: Fair enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Just to give you an example, I live in the SE of Ireland, and there are a few pubs where I can get a large bottle of Guinness for €3.33 (with 3 for €10 deals).
But unless the entire population of my town can be crammed into those few pubs, you're looking at paying €4+. Say roughly the same pricing for pints of beer.

So what's the average where you live that most people would end up paying. Then add the dollar to the tip and see how expensive it starts to get.

Gee, it's almost like the portion of bill that is an American tip is already factored into the pricing of the goods you buy. :)

I think if informed of how things work elsewhere, 99% of waiters in America would prefer to be treated like professionals with respect, payed well, and not looked down upon (like in Germany). But the average worker in these jobs hardly has the ability to stick it to their bosses and demand change. That gets you fired and replaced. Combine that with a hatred for all things 47% and union and it's a pretty steep climb to enact change.

The wage for waitstaff where I used to work actually went down over around a 25 year period in non-inflation adjusted dollars. They were paying 3.25 an hour when the oldest waitress I worked with was hired. We were all paid 2.15 when I worked there and there was talk of it going down again before I quit. Figuring inflation that is a base wage adjustment of what, at least a 2/3 reduction?


I think we just have a cultural misunderstanding. I wouldn't describe any of what bar staff makes as tip, just wages (the tip isn't factored in, it's just their wage from my point of view).
And I'm not saying the way we do it is better either, as I often enough meet waiters / bar staff here who are obviously bored with their job and not helpful in the least; it was a shock when I was in the US how friendly the staff seemed everywhere. So at least they're motivated to give you the best experience possible rather than just show up, mooch around and collect their liveable wage at the end of the week.

Notwithstanding , those wages you mentioned are atrocious. It's not even subsistence income, bordering on Philippine sweat shop bad. But again, I feel it's just my point of view that does it; I can't wrap my head around someone relying on something as...charitable?...as tips to form the majority of their wages.

/Anyway, thanks for explaining it to me, I feel a bit more informed on the US situation for the next time one of these threads appears.
 
2013-01-22 08:18:21 AM

Ostman: Smackledorfer: Ostman: Fair enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Just to give you an example, I live in the SE of Ireland, and there are a few pubs where I can get a large bottle of Guinness for €3.33 (with 3 for €10 deals).
But unless the entire population of my town can be crammed into those few pubs, you're looking at paying €4+. Say roughly the same pricing for pints of beer.

So what's the average where you live that most people would end up paying. Then add the dollar to the tip and see how expensive it starts to get.

Gee, it's almost like the portion of bill that is an American tip is already factored into the pricing of the goods you buy. :)

I think if informed of how things work elsewhere, 99% of waiters in America would prefer to be treated like professionals with respect, payed well, and not looked down upon (like in Germany). But the average worker in these jobs hardly has the ability to stick it to their bosses and demand change. That gets you fired and replaced. Combine that with a hatred for all things 47% and union and it's a pretty steep climb to enact change.

The wage for waitstaff where I used to work actually went down over around a 25 year period in non-inflation adjusted dollars. They were paying 3.25 an hour when the oldest waitress I worked with was hired. We were all paid 2.15 when I worked there and there was talk of it going down again before I quit. Figuring inflation that is a base wage adjustment of what, at least a 2/3 reduction?

I think we just have a cultural misunderstanding. I wouldn't describe any of what bar staff makes as tip, just wages (the tip isn't factored in, it's just their wage from my point of view).
And I'm not saying the way we do it is better either, as I often enough meet waiters / bar staff here who are obviously bored with their job and not helpful in the least; it was a shock when I was in the US how friendly the staff seemed everywhere. So at least they're motivated to give you the best experience ...


It is crazy how little they make, but a good bartender can make upwards of 500 a night in tips.
 
2013-01-22 09:49:04 AM

TheJoe03: wambu: TheJoe03: That you were in the wrong, not the cabbie. Also, don't take a cab with only 5 bucks, it's not a bus.

[i.imgur.com image 519x355]

At least you can admit now that you were being a whiny little baby.


That as you.

[welcometofark.jpg]
 
2013-01-22 12:32:57 PM

Girion47: It is crazy how little they make, but a good bartender can make upwards of 500 a night in tips.


While technically correct, presenting 500 a night as though it were a representative example of what skilled and dedicated bartenders make is dishonest and you know it.
 
2013-01-22 12:51:27 PM

Smackledorfer: Girion47: It is crazy how little they make, but a good bartender can make upwards of 500 a night in tips.

While technically correct, presenting 500 a night as though it were a representative example of what skilled and dedicated bartenders make is dishonest and you know it.


I didn't say it was average, but it isn't unheard of.
 
2013-01-22 02:28:46 PM
This happened to me less than a year ago. I was in NYC and was leaving a bar and headed back to my hotel. I was staying in an easily recognizable hotel (Doubletree) and told the cabbie the name of the hotel, the name of the street that it was on, and the district where it was located. The moment he asked me if he should go left or right I started getting mad. When he pulled to the side of the road to ask another cabbie for directions, I got pissed and started getting on his case about GPS.

After arguing with him for a while I demanded that he drop me off immediately and I begrudgingly paid HALF of what the meter was displaying. We argued about this for a while, but the bottom line is that if I am paying a professional driver and have given that driver ample information, their failure is not on my dime.

However... since it was in the middle of the night and I was no longer in a highly populated area, there were no more cabs. I walked the final mile or so back to the hotel, satisfied that I didn't get stuck paying for incompetence.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:39 PM

wambu: TheJoe03: wambu: TheJoe03: That you were in the wrong, not the cabbie. Also, don't take a cab with only 5 bucks, it's not a bus.

[i.imgur.com image 519x355]

At least you can admit now that you were being a whiny little baby.

That as you.

[welcometofark.jpg]


I'm not complaining or whining, just calling you out. Welcome to fark yourself.
 
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