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(Hawaii News Now)   Austrians debate whether doing away with the draft will make it harder to fill jobs currently taken by conscientious objectors to avoid being drafted, like ambulance drivers, kangaroo herders, and retirement-home attendants   (hawaiinewsnow.com) divider line 87
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2013-01-20 12:35:33 PM  
Crikey!
 
2013-01-20 12:44:59 PM  
Helen Keller's gonna sh*t a brick.
 
2013-01-20 01:24:00 PM  
They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .
 
2013-01-20 02:15:51 PM  

Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .


Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)
 
2013-01-20 02:24:50 PM  
Excuse me? One does not herd kangaroos. One curates them.
 
2013-01-20 02:25:56 PM  

danielem1: No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)


remind me not to invite you to parties.
 
2013-01-20 02:27:27 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: danielem1: No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)

remind me not to invite you to parties.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-20 02:31:03 PM  
How will this effect the Austrian Coast Guard?
 
2013-01-20 02:32:05 PM  

danielem1: Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .

Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)


There's a kangaroo joke right in the headline. Did you miss it?
 
2013-01-20 02:37:31 PM  

ryant123: danielem1: Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .

Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)

There's a kangaroo joke right in the headline. Did you miss it?


Jumped right over it.
 
2013-01-20 02:39:21 PM  
The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.
 
2013-01-20 02:42:53 PM  

MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.


The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.
 
2013-01-20 02:43:25 PM  

MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.


Everytime someone says that phrase, even in jest, Jesus kills a kitten

*twitch*
 
2013-01-20 02:48:04 PM  
BMulligan
The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

We heavily utilize our military to shore up our global economic policies. What are the effects of allowing those who benefit most from said economic policies to contribute least to the military efforts? Probably more and longer wars, no?
 
2013-01-20 02:48:20 PM  

BMulligan: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-01-20 02:49:50 PM  

MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.


Or at least to beat the urge to use meaningless corporate lingo out of them.
 
2013-01-20 02:53:00 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: ryant123: danielem1: Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .

Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)

There's a kangaroo joke right in the headline. Did you miss it?

Jumped right over it.


It wasn't particularly interesting or clever, I admit I did honestly jump right over it.
 
2013-01-20 02:55:18 PM  

MFAWG: BMulligan: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

Bullshiat.


I bow to your superior logic and in-depth analysis.
 
2013-01-20 02:55:18 PM  

danielem1: TrollingForColumbine: ryant123: danielem1: Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .

Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)

There's a kangaroo joke right in the headline. Did you miss it?

Jumped right over it.

It wasn't particularly interesting or clever, I admit I did honestly jump right over it.


There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.
 
2013-01-20 02:56:46 PM  
Austria!=Australia

/I know... that's the joke.
//I'm really waiting for the Fark EMS Brigade to jump on the use of the term "ambulance driver."
 
2013-01-20 02:58:50 PM  

thamike: danielem1: TrollingForColumbine: ryant123: danielem1: Nothing To See Here: They should be more concerned with their wild fires blazing and the loss of the Great Barrier Reef.

/BTW- we have ships that can find that reef if you need assistance .

Yeah, let's throw another shrimp on the... Wait a second! No one even read the headline or the article before me? (hint: I'll be back)

There's a kangaroo joke right in the headline. Did you miss it?

Jumped right over it.

It wasn't particularly interesting or clever, I admit I did honestly jump right over it.

There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.


Well if you know better why I skipped over it I'm all ears. I admitted defeat already, you guys are better at Internet comments. I'll just go home.
 
2013-01-20 02:59:54 PM  

danielem1: I'll just go home.


img2u.info
 
2013-01-20 03:02:29 PM  

BMulligan: The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.


This.

How exactly the military would handle people who didn't want to be there would be huge challenge.

They can't do more than yell at you (went through it at ft. benning)
 
2013-01-20 03:06:07 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: BMulligan: The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

This.

How exactly the military would handle people who didn't want to be there would be huge challenge.

They can't do more than yell at you (went through it at ft. benning)


Consider also that about 4 million Americans turn 18 each year, roughly double the current number of combined active duty and reserve personnel in all branches of the armed forces combined. Absorbing even a small fraction of those 18-year olds would necessitate a massive increase in defense spending AND would remove an equivalent number of taxpayers from the private sector. It would be a budget disaster.
 
2013-01-20 03:06:36 PM  
I think what I was expecting was, since I'm new to this game, it was one of those articles where subby completely misread the article and it gets greenlit anyway. I thought I was jumping on one of those piles. Oh well.
 
2013-01-20 03:09:51 PM  

danielem1: There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.

Well if you know better why I skipped over it I'm all ears. I admitted defeat already, you guys are better at Internet comments. I'll just go home.


There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.

I was trying to help you out, weirdo.
 
2013-01-20 03:16:25 PM  

MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.


Yes, the draft did a great job of keeping us out of unnecessary conflicts in Korea and Vietnam.

mrexcess: BMulligan
The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

We heavily utilize our military to shore up our global economic policies. What are the effects of allowing those who benefit most from said economic policies to contribute least to the military efforts? Probably more and longer wars, no?


A draft doesn't fix that, it just makes it so that the people who are off risking their lives for the rest of us are picked arbitrarily instead of by volunteer. And that assumes that a draft is actually random, when in practice it isn't. In practice, the draft simply shifts the burden off of those who voluntarily choose to be in the military on to a combination of those who would volunteer and those who aren't politically connected enough to get out of serving.
 
2013-01-20 03:20:49 PM  

MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.


special needs children must think you're a god.
 
2013-01-20 03:23:33 PM  
Talondel: A random draft would certainly make things more equitable. Your objection mostly revolves around the assumption that wealthy/connected people would be able to exploit loopholes in the drafting system to dodge it. Obviously we'd want to eliminate that possibility.
 
2013-01-20 03:28:58 PM  

BMulligan: Consider also that about 4 million Americans turn 18 each year, roughly double the current number of combined active duty and reserve personnel in all branches of the armed forces combined. Absorbing even a small fraction of those 18-year olds would necessitate a massive increase in defense spending AND would remove an equivalent number of taxpayers from the private sector. It would be a budget disaster.


thats a solid argument, it hadn't occurred to me.

1 internet for you sir.
 
2013-01-20 03:29:47 PM  
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Doktor_Zhivago: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.
Everytime someone says that phrase, even in jest, Jesus kills a kitten
*twitch*


A guy with a lot of skin in the game

www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
 
2013-01-20 03:34:35 PM  
[thrashes MFAWG with a picket pulled from a picket fence]
 
2013-01-20 03:42:13 PM  
We need a pic of a kangaroo singing "Sound of Music"
 
2013-01-20 03:42:45 PM  

BMulligan: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.


Bingo.

I remember about a decade ago, with the initial phase of the Iraq War, there was talk by some Congressmen of reinstating the draft.

The Pentagon said Hell No.

The standards of performance and fitness they hold todays all-volunteer Army to are way higher than they ever held conscripts to. Re-opening the draft would get more warm bodies, but you'd cut the quality of soldiers way, WAY down.

The modern US military works more on using skill and technology as force multipliers, not using massed human wave attacks that can easily be accomplished by conscription.

With suicide problems and morale problems that already exist from people who volunteered for the job, imagine what its like when you throw in people who were told "Go to war or go to jail".

There is very little in the way of plausible scenarios that could lead to a return of conscription in the US.
 
2013-01-20 04:00:39 PM  

Silverstaff: BMulligan: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

Bingo.

I remember about a decade ago, with the initial phase of the Iraq War, there was talk by some Congressmen of reinstating the draft.

The Pentagon said Hell No.

The standards of performance and fitness they hold todays all-volunteer Army to are way higher than they ever held conscripts to. Re-opening the draft would get more warm bodies, but you'd cut the quality of soldiers way, WAY down.

The modern US military works more on using skill and technology as force multipliers, not using massed human wave attacks that can easily be accomplished by conscription.

With suicide problems and morale problems that already exist from people who volunteered for the job, imagine what its like when you throw in people who were told "Go to war or go to jail".

There is very little in the way of plausible scenarios that could lead to a return of conscription in the US.


3.bp.blogspot.com

What an average American draftee might look like
 
2013-01-20 04:05:11 PM  
Silverstaff: From a purely "quality of soldiers" aspect, you're right that a professional force is generally better than a conscripted one. However, that's a form of tunnel vision - answering the question of "how should the military be composed" should be about more than just efficiency. It gets into some really fundamental, basic questions of democracy, equity, and responsibility.

Particularly in a force that, as you admit, "works more on using skill and technology" rather than depending on the physical fitness and group cohesion of individual troops, it seems right to consider whether or not a more equitable, if somewhat less cohesive, force would be a better fit for our nation.
 
2013-01-20 04:10:22 PM  

thamike: danielem1: There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.

Well if you know better why I skipped over it I'm all ears. I admitted defeat already, you guys are better at Internet comments. I'll just go home.

There is really no face to be saved here, so just relax.

I was trying to help you out, weirdo.


Ward, don't be so hard on the Beaver.

Everyone is winner at FARK, so hop on the short bus and hit the next thread, Mate.
 
2013-01-20 04:20:27 PM  
What a kangaroo joke might look like

Link
 
2013-01-20 04:22:53 PM  
MFAWG




BMulligan: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

The last thing our armed forces need right now is a massive influx of unnecessary inductees with absolutely no desire to be there.

Bullshiat.



You have no farking clue about what you are talking about. But its a nice liberal manta which makes no sense.
 
2013-01-20 04:39:00 PM  
Tie me kangaroo jokes down, Mate
Tie me kangaroo joke down.


/dingo ate the rest of that song

//as we said in the sixties, fark the draft
 
2013-01-20 04:42:55 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: MFAWG: The US needs a draft, mostly so everybody will have skin in the game in the most meaningful way possible.

Everytime someone says that phrase, even in jest, Jesus kills a kitten

*twitch*


I thought it was a euphemism conservatives used for men's assholes . . . ?
 
2013-01-20 05:00:15 PM  

mrexcess: Silverstaff: From a purely "quality of soldiers" aspect, you're right that a professional force is generally better than a conscripted one. However, that's a form of tunnel vision - answering the question of "how should the military be composed" should be about more than just efficiency. It gets into some really fundamental, basic questions of democracy, equity, and responsibility.

Particularly in a force that, as you admit, "works more on using skill and technology" rather than depending on the physical fitness and group cohesion of individual troops, it seems right to consider whether or not a more equitable, if somewhat less cohesive, force would be a better fit for our nation.


Service means citizenship?
 
2013-01-20 05:03:10 PM  

Buffalo77: But its a nice liberal manta which makes no sense.


www.hawaiisfishes.com

Neither I nor this liberal manta have any idea what the fark it is you're trying to say.
 
2013-01-20 05:05:27 PM  

BMulligan: Buffalo77: But its a nice liberal manta which makes no sense.

[www.hawaiisfishes.com image 400x267]

Neither I nor this liberal manta have any idea what the fark it is you're trying to say.


You can call me Ray!
 
2013-01-20 05:17:10 PM  

Nothing To See Here: You can call me Ray!


That was a terrible joke, but just this once I'll let you skate.
 
2013-01-20 05:20:19 PM  

BMulligan: Nothing To See Here: You can call me Ray!

That was a terrible joke, but just this once I'll let you skate.


The devil made me do it.
 
2013-01-20 05:32:47 PM  

BMulligan: Buffalo77: But its a nice liberal manta which makes no sense.

[www.hawaiisfishes.com image 400x267]

Neither I nor this liberal manta have any idea what the fark it is you're trying to say.


That manta's name is Alfred, (that would be Mr. M. Alfredi to you) and he has voted straight republican for the past 4 elections.. How dare you accuse him of being a librul simply because of your pre-conceived stereotypes for manta rays. This is an outrage that shall not stand.
 
2013-01-20 05:33:10 PM  

SavageWombat: We need a pic of a kangaroo singing "Sound of Music"


Sure, make fun of Helen Keller's inability to sing!
 
2013-01-20 05:40:36 PM  
What's this about aliens, now?
 
2013-01-20 05:43:37 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: BMulligan: Buffalo77: But its a nice liberal manta which makes no sense.

[www.hawaiisfishes.com image 400x267]

Neither I nor this liberal manta have any idea what the fark it is you're trying to say.

That manta's name is Alfred, (that would be Mr. M. Alfredi to you) and he has voted straight republican for the past 4 elections.. How dare you accuse him of being a librul simply because of your pre-conceived stereotypes for manta rays. This is an outrage that shall not stand.


Those ichthyology jokes aren't for everyone.
 
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