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2013-01-20 09:34:07 AM
4 votes:
Interesting article but how can i trust anything CNET says? How can i be sure CBS isn't taking money for articles in addition to dictating what products they give award to?
2013-01-20 09:31:14 AM
4 votes:

Nefarious: Flint Ironstag: doczoidberg: Oooooooh, are they going to force us to use their SWELL Metro UI that everyone loves so much?

When you take it away from the keyboard and are carrying it on the bus and using it as a tablet then Metro makes sense. Otherwise I agree, W8 should have a big box come up when you install it saying "Is this a desktop PC or a tablet?" and give you just desktop or just Metro depending on your answer.

That will be Windows 8 SE


That's what gets me. Had MS given people a choice with W8 it would have been received very positively, a OS that is 'future proof', that is ready for touchscreen, that can work on convertible machines like this Surface. It could have been a real hit.
But they blew it. They tried to force everyone into using the Metro start screen, and all the hidden corner buttons, that are very much touch screen features even if the user has a desktop PC that will never have a touchscreen.

As I said in an earlier thread, it would be like Honda deciding to unify their controls between their cars and bikes and fitting all their cars with handlebars, twist grip throttles etc. Honda haven't done that because cars are not bikes. Car controls work for cars, and millions of car drivers are used to them, and bike controls work on bikes. Why try to force everyone to use the same controls?
2013-01-20 05:39:02 PM
2 votes:

Irregardless: In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.


Sit at my desk and have to raise my arms up to shoulder height at full stretch to reach the screen? Fark that. I'll stick with my trackerball where my hand rests on it and I barely have to move my fingers.

Touchscreen PCs may be great if you work behind the counter at McDonalds but for everyone else it would be like going from a car with power steering to one without. In fact I've just ordered two new widescreen monitors for my PC to get the higher resolution to be able to Snap metro apps, and it's an excuse to get two nice new monitors of course. But I didn't consider touchscreen for a second.
2013-01-20 03:54:30 PM
2 votes:
As soon as you take away a consumer's ability to build their own device from component parts, you take away their power. You take away their bargaining position, their ability to comparison shop. You take away their ability to haggle price, to get the most for their money. You force them to choose one of two solutions: Microsoft or Apple.

There is a reason Apple and other companies want to sell you hardware that is proprietary, closed, and all hardwired onto one board. That way they can overprice it and you can't do anything about it. You can't just yank out the malfunctioning memory stick and replace it with another, a cost of only $30. If it's under warranty, you can get a limited warranty refurb, sure. If it's not under warranty, you'll be paying several hundred dollars for a new one though. That's in their interest, not yours.

That's why Apple pays so much attention to case design. Because they know a consumer will choose against their own interest if the thing is shiny and smooth and curvy enough. They'll pay out the nose for it, and they'll ask for more.

That's why I'll post this message every time some "tech writer" writes one of these stupid articles.
2013-01-20 01:18:29 PM
2 votes:

East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: I totally don't get your adamant defense of Win8, unless it is financially motivated. You still seem confused as to why people hate it, and constantly say it is because they have only used it for 5 minutes.

I do not say that. I think it's a fine OS because I use it like 15 hours a day. I know that Metro can be EASILY avoided if you dislike it, and the REST of the OS is quite fine. That's my whole argument - people are too willing to dismiss it for metro, when it's NOT hard to avoid. They ignore the rest of the OS and focus on this single point.

I'm not paid, I'm not a shill. I do have complaints (I think they failed to take advantage of snapping, as I already explained, and Microsoft bought Skype and Metro Skype blows). I just disagree with you, and in every thread in which I do that to the positive I get called a shill or fanboy (for Apple, for Microsoft, name it).

I apologize. It was WhippingBoy who mentioned the 5 minute thing, not you.

You say it is a fine OS, but is it better than Win7? People focus on Metro, because it is forced on them. You say you can EASILY avoid it, but it really isn't a checkbox you can click. You actually have to install new software if you want to ignore it. It also seems to be the biggest difference between 7 and 8, so why wouldn't people focus on it?

Beside Metro, what can you do in Win8 that you can't do in Win7? I really want to know...


Storage spaces are pretty neat. Take the 2TB drive, that old 100GB drive, your slightly newer 250GB drive and the 500GB external HD you have sitting around for some reason and make a storage pool. And then partition that into however many storage spaces you want at whatever size with RAID like redundancy. (want 8 50TB drives? go for it doesn't matter how much actual space you have) When the drive space you're using starts to approach the physical amount of storage you have, it bugs you to plug something else in. If a drive dies or you feel like pulling it for other uses you just disconnect it and it.
2013-01-20 12:39:16 PM
2 votes:
Flint Ironstag:
2002: Bill Gates introduces the Tablet PC. No one cares.

2010: Steve Jobs introduces the iPad. The world pisses itself like an excited dog.

2012: Steve Ballmer introduces the Surface. People claim they stole the idea from Apple.



Made me look up the early evolution of tablet-ish devices... Whippersnappers!

1987 Linus Write-Top (gigantic)

1989 GRiDPad (better)

1993 Newton MessagePad (slightly smaller than iPad mini

Not new ideas at all. A friend owned the Newton years ago, it was quite awesome at the time.
2013-01-20 12:24:42 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: I totally don't get your adamant defense of Win8, unless it is financially motivated. You still seem confused as to why people hate it, and constantly say it is because they have only used it for 5 minutes.

I do not say that. I think it's a fine OS because I use it like 15 hours a day. I know that Metro can be EASILY avoided if you dislike it, and the REST of the OS is quite fine. That's my whole argument - people are too willing to dismiss it for metro, when it's NOT hard to avoid. They ignore the rest of the OS and focus on this single point.

I'm not paid, I'm not a shill. I do have complaints (I think they failed to take advantage of snapping, as I already explained, and Microsoft bought Skype and Metro Skype blows). I just disagree with you, and in every thread in which I do that to the positive I get called a shill or fanboy (for Apple, for Microsoft, name it).


It's not just Metro, it's that they changed the way the traditional desktop works by hiding controls in the corners. If you bought a new car and found that Ford had hidden the ignition key in the glove box and the brake pedal is now a button on the steering wheel you'd complain. Those changes offer no improvement at all to desktop PC mouse and keyboard users, and in fact hinder them by being unfamiliar and slower, for the sake of features that only touch screen users will use.

Had they left Desktop alone (XP/W7 layout) and had Metro as an option then I'm convinced W8 would have been a fantastic hit. Future proof! Touchscreen ready! Perfect for this Surface machine that can be used as a tablet or as a laptop!
Instead they took away lots of Desktop controls and replaced them with touchscreen controls and/or keyboard shortcuts.

Classic Shell proves they can coexist happily, that they could have left the old Start Menu and still have the new touch controls. So why didn't MS do that instead of driving lots of people to a third-party app?
2013-01-20 11:25:38 AM
2 votes:

East Avenue Arse: I totally don't get your adamant defense of Win8, unless it is financially motivated. You still seem confused as to why people hate it, and constantly say it is because they have only used it for 5 minutes.


I do not say that. I think it's a fine OS because I use it like 15 hours a day. I know that Metro can be EASILY avoided if you dislike it, and the REST of the OS is quite fine. That's my whole argument - people are too willing to dismiss it for metro, when it's NOT hard to avoid. They ignore the rest of the OS and focus on this single point.

I'm not paid, I'm not a shill. I do have complaints (I think they failed to take advantage of snapping, as I already explained, and Microsoft bought Skype and Metro Skype blows). I just disagree with you, and in every thread in which I do that to the positive I get called a shill or fanboy (for Apple, for Microsoft, name it).
2013-01-20 11:10:13 AM
2 votes:

East Avenue Arse: I didn't really want to believe it, but I now think LasersHurt really must be a paid MS shill who cries himself to sleep each night, drinking a quart of vodka to help him forget the horrible lies he is forced to tell.


Ah, we finally got there. Every thread about every technology that anyone says anything good about = accusations of being a paid shill. Took long enough.
2013-01-20 10:51:45 AM
2 votes:
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2013-01-20 10:02:54 AM
2 votes:
TFA got one thing right...MS is smart for ditching the Atom. That processor pretty much single-handedly killed off netbooks. I got really tired of having this conversation:

"Can you make my netbook any faster?"

"Nope."

/but the Atom did teach you patience, and patience is a virtue.
2013-01-20 09:24:17 AM
2 votes:
I wonder what Microsoft pays for an article like this?

Also, of course I "remember" the netbook. Out here in the real world where we're not tech reviewers who get handed new hardware like it's farking candy, I see them all the time.
2013-01-20 09:20:35 AM
2 votes:

Flint Ironstag: doczoidberg: Oooooooh, are they going to force us to use their SWELL Metro UI that everyone loves so much?

When you take it away from the keyboard and are carrying it on the bus and using it as a tablet then Metro makes sense. Otherwise I agree, W8 should have a big box come up when you install it saying "Is this a desktop PC or a tablet?" and give you just desktop or just Metro depending on your answer.


That will be Windows 8 SE
2013-01-20 07:38:11 PM
1 votes:

farkeruk: So, what's the benefit to me of a hybrid? The device comes with a keyboard, a fast, reliable input device. When would I be using the slow, unreliable touchscreen?


So you're asking why anybody would want to use a tablet?
2013-01-20 07:31:58 PM
1 votes:
I tried bigass touchscreen Windows in the mall today. The rep asked if I had any questions and basically it was "how the hell does this work" instead of, say, "what problem does this solve" which would probably be less welcome.

So there's a 27" widescreen monitor and a bunch of icons. It's a touchscreen, but there's a mouse and keyboard available. I poke Maps and goof around, find the Smithsonian by pinch-zooming in a few seconds. Cool. Um. How do I get out? There are three little dots on the bottom left, like in Android ICS. Ugh. Maybe this one's Back. Oh wait, that doesn't do anything. Next one. That's the volume control. What?

I give up, go back to the keyboard. Esc? No. Windows key. Aha! I'm on the desktop again. After a few more failures, another rep appears to answer questions.

Turns out I can close a program by slicing it in half.... like Fruit Ninja. What? I can also switch programs by sliding from left edge to right, and I can drag a drawer of open programs out from the side of the screen.

1. None of this is obvious. I'm 28 and I couldn't figure this out. I tried out the new gestures and I sucked at them. Couldn't remember or couldn't use correctly. Could someone over 60?
2. None of this makes sense. Pinch-to-zoom has no real-world analogue, but it's intuitive. Slice-to-close is just weird.
3. Removing the chrome - the interface frame that lets you manipulate the program - is crazy. On a 22" screen there's plenty of room for close buttons, back buttons and taskbars, and no real need for gestures.
4. Who is this for? A large touch screen solves the "R&D made this large touch screen" problem, not anything in real life. It's not large enough to be shared (teaching, presentations), and not small enough to be personal.
5. This nonsensical device that fixes no problems and appeals to no one will probably be adopted by half the country in five years like ipad and I'll eat my words.
2013-01-20 07:18:29 PM
1 votes:

East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.

Desktop windows still exist, do that if you want to. Nothing stopping you. I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

Serious question: is there anything you can do in Win8 that you could not have done in Win7?

One of the big reasons I haven't switched is that I need to be productive at work every day. Losing a day or two (or even an hour or two) to getting all of this reorganized and figured out really isn't an option. I could sell it, if I had something new that would make my life easier and make me more productive, but I haven't seen that "killer app" yet. So, what is it?


No. I'm actually reinstalling Windows 7 tomorrow over Windows 8. "metro" (or whatever it's called this week) just gets in the way.
2013-01-20 06:59:02 PM
1 votes:
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2013-01-20 06:45:47 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.

Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.


Having Metro as an option on W8 would have done that. Leaving Desktop alone, or a tweek/restyle of XP/7, and have Metro be an option would have allowed them to make one product that was better under the hood, easy to use and familiar to millions of customers and been future proof for tablets and touchscreen down the line. I'm convinced that would have been a hit.

You win over customers by adding things. Not by taking things away. Especially things they've spent over a decade using and know like the back of their hand.
2013-01-20 06:41:35 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.

Are you IT support for Wal-mart?


I wonder how many PCs WalMart buys? Maybe pissing off large corporate customers by making your new OS harder and confusing to use isn't a good idea?
2013-01-20 06:40:36 PM
1 votes:

farkeruk: The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.


Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.
2013-01-20 06:33:56 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.

If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?


Ok, let me spell it out.

Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.

I install ClassicShell, explain to them that it's a third-party app, and there is NO support whatsoever.

My clients say, " I don't care, it works now"

If you have to install a third-party app to make your core base like your UI, YOU HAVE FAILED.
2013-01-20 06:33:36 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: Rent Party: No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.

And that attitude is why it takes so long for any of your tickets to get resolved.

Are those sales and revenue figures something that finance has approved for public dissemination? If they are, I don't see a problem with them on dropbox.

Finance data like revenue and sales figures generally isn't meant to be very public though.


Oh. I've worked for guys like this before.

Stalling on IT tickets is puerile. Besides, I'd much rather be a high profile miracle worker to your idiot self not being able to figure out how to use the projector (note: they don't offer classes on using a projector; you don't even need to read the manual so much as look at the little pictures) than thanklessly figure out the headscratcher production issues anyway.

What Rent Party's manuever tends to do is get us to update our resumes and freshen up our professional network in case Dropbox gets Megaupload'd. Often times the very act of doing this finds us an easier-to-deal with brand of asshole who pays better. Then you get your PTO to under 40 hours in case they decide to play shenanigans with your bennies, drop a resignation, and "train" the new person. ("You'll figure it out. Good luck.")

It's nothing to get angry about. We're not legally liable for executive stupidity, we generally don't own stock in the company, and it tends to work out in our favor more often than not.

Keep on keeping on, Rent Party. You're doing it right.
2013-01-20 06:21:55 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.

If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?


Replace a familiar operation that opened a hierarchical ordered menu leading to your selection without needing to click until you got to your choice with a hidden button that opens an explorer window that you need to navigate by scrolling to find your choice?

Again, that's Ford taking the ignition key off the steering wheel and hiding it in the glove box. "It's still there!", just harder to find. And at least that you'd only have to use once a journey!
2013-01-20 06:00:55 PM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: windows 8 lets you disable metro UI if you wish.

/the reason windows 8 isn't taking off is because idiots can't be bothered to ask if it can be turned off, windows 8 offers nothing that is must have compared to windows 7, and a lot of gamers will spend $5000 on a gaming rig and refuse to spend $100 for windows 7, choosing instead to run a pirate version of XP because it handles their 16Gigyibyters of Ramula more betterer. ಠ_ಠ


How do you disable Metro? Without a third party app like Classic Shell or Start 8?
2013-01-20 05:54:52 PM
1 votes:
windows 8 lets you disable metro UI if you wish.

/the reason windows 8 isn't taking off is because idiots can't be bothered to ask if it can be turned off, windows 8 offers nothing that is must have compared to windows 7, and a lot of gamers will spend $5000 on a gaming rig and refuse to spend $100 for windows 7, choosing instead to run a pirate version of XP because it handles their 16Gigyibyters of Ramula more betterer. ಠ_ಠ
2013-01-20 05:48:26 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: hat's only because the people with laptops and PCs already have one that does the job

And they'll never need to buy another one, right?


My PC lasted well over ten years as my main PC, and I'm still using it. They're so easy to upgrade, why buy a new one? Lots of companies use a PC for a specific job, and if it does that job today it will do that in twenty years time. For routine office email or WP duties a ten year old XP machine will do the job the same as a brand new machine, so why waste money if the old one still works?
2013-01-20 04:59:12 PM
1 votes:
In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.
2013-01-20 04:47:57 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Vaneshi: Flint Ironstag: [img252.imageshack.us image 724x432]


You're going to have to change some of the dates around, 2002 sounds very late; I distinctly remember 'Pen Editions' of Win3.1x.

If you're going to try and bait people you should at least do so in a way that doesn't make you look like an idiot hmm?

It's an image I found on Fark months ago. I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it. If there were tablets even earlier then that's just more proof Apple didn't invent them.


Alexander Graham Bell didn't invent the telephone and Edison didn't invent the light bulb. People who get credit for major inventions usually aren't the first person to think of it but the first to market and sell it effectively.
2013-01-20 03:25:13 PM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: I'm looking for Microsoft to provide some REAL innovation, like hiding the entire file name instead of just the extension.


I like how it's 2013 and Windows is still dependent on extensions for application associations.

The *nix world did away with that in the 90's. Call the file whatever you want, the OS will figure it out.
2013-01-20 02:33:04 PM
1 votes:
Also, of course I "remember" the netbook. Out here in the real world where we're not tech reviewers who get handed new hardware like it's farking candy, I see them all the time.

This. I've bought three of the damned things in the last two years, two for my use (work, home) and one for my grandmother (along with a keyboard, and wired the display output to her TV). They are, so far as I can tell, still more popular among people that actually _use_ computers (as opposed to dicking around with them) than tablets or full-screen laptops.


This
Netbooks are awesome for travel computers. Most the capabilities of a laptop with a size just a little larger than a tablet. I can watch movies during the flight and then run a powerpoint presentation at the meeting from the same machine. Full laptops often have much more power than the traveler is going to use. The net guy at my last place of employment used a netbook at home and pushed it to see how far he could take it. It did all his normal stuff without a qualm and only complained when he was doing really heavy data work. In addition, if a netbook gets damaged in travel, you are only out ~$200.


Popcorn Johnny: Hybrid tablets/laptops are the future and Microsoft is leading the way. Give it a couple years and everybody will be using them.

maybe if somebody else comes up with a tablet/laptop hybrid combo that is comfortable to use on your lap


You mean like a netbook?
2013-01-20 02:09:55 PM
1 votes:
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I like this style better. Screen folds flat and slides shut.
2013-01-20 01:26:36 PM
1 votes:

AdamK: maybe if somebody else comes up with a tablet/laptop hybrid combo that is comfortable to use on your lap


They're already out there.

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2013-01-20 01:13:56 PM
1 votes:
meh, the whole apple vs. microsoft argument is a moot point, it's never been about having the idea first on the market, it's always been about foresight, timing and gradual market product releases

basically, think of the tech market as a relay race where the team that wins is the one in which each member contributes towards the progress of the next member as they hand off the baton, in this case the ipad benefited from the progress that the iphone made, which benefited from the progress than the ipod made, which benefitted from the taboo-nature of the wild-west mp3 market

apple has been really smart to gradually lead customers towards what they want, and to do so requires placing the building blocks at the right time with the right product (apple maps aside)

microsoft's market strategy has basically been two-faced, on the one hand they want to keep iterating on windows into infinity on the other hand they're constantly starting and stopping on the hardware front, they recognize the growth just isn't there in the PC space compared to the portable space but they're always too slow to recognize their own faults (Re: portable showed signs of larger growth almost a decade ago)

as such, if you look at the market like a relay race, each member of the team is starting over or not doing their part, it's incredibly difficult then to demand that users hop onto the windows 8 surface bandwagon when there's no userbase for it... and on top of that they're ruining whatever progress windows 7 made towards their bottom line

it's really got nothing to do with who has the idea first on the market, and more about what the market wants and being there right when they want it (hence why the galaxy s3 has taken off as the market wanted at least 1 alternative to the iphone ever since the iphone came out)
2013-01-20 01:04:14 PM
1 votes:
Hybrid tablets/laptops are the future and Microsoft is leading the way. Give it a couple years and everybody will be using them.
2013-01-20 12:55:28 PM
1 votes:
Woohoo, it's today's W8 hate thread!

Good job, Internet. You never disappoint.
2013-01-20 12:54:17 PM
1 votes:
I have Win8 now on a tablet, a touch-screen laptop, and also a desktop. On the tablet and touch-screen laptop, it's nice to have the Modern/Metro interface, and I'm now pretty use to touching the screen for everyday tasks (e.g., browsing, reading documents, etc). On the desktop machine, I pretty much stay in Desktop mode all the time, and in that case Win8 is just like Win7, with some improvements to things like file copying, task manager, etc.
2013-01-20 12:35:16 PM
1 votes:

meatofmystery: LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.

Can't interrupt the latest Fark tech circle jerk with facts,or anything.


Yep. I'm baffled by some of the bizarre statements apparently made by folks who haven't used Windows 8, but it's FARK - the Geek tab is getting almost as bad as the Politics tab.
2013-01-20 12:14:47 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Metro goes full-monitor on whatever monitor you've got it set on. When you snap an app, it takes about 20% - whatever else is on that monitor, be it desktop or metro, fills that space. There is no way to make it use more than 20%, which is a shame - I'd like to be able to snap several apps, in 20% increments. 40-40-20 with 3 apps, for example, would be nice.


Having done a bit of digging the MS website says screen resolution must be at least 1366 by 768 and I run two 1024 by 768 monitors. So no Snap for me.
2013-01-20 11:18:52 AM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: I didn't really want to believe it, but I now think LasersHurt really must be a paid MS shill who cries himself to sleep each night, drinking a quart of vodka to help him forget the horrible lies he is forced to tell.

Ah, we finally got there. Every thread about every technology that anyone says anything good about = accusations of being a paid shill. Took long enough.


I have read most of the Win8 threads with interest. I develop both Android and iOS apps, been in the industry long enough to know the difference between Windows 3.1 and 3.11 (Windows for Workgroups), have a bit of experience in the tech space, if you know what I mean.

I totally don't get your adamant defense of Win8, unless it is financially motivated. You still seem confused as to why people hate it, and constantly say it is because they have only used it for 5 minutes. This despite all of the people in these threads who say why they hate it.

I have held back my judgement, as I haven't used it yet, and so, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. You seem like a smart guy. But after seeing how my friend absolutely hated having to switch between the two UIs, can you not see how Metro actually is a problem???

If you can't see that, then either you are being paid, or something else is clouding your vision... I just don't get it.
2013-01-20 11:15:43 AM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: . I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.


security guard, huh?
2013-01-20 11:12:03 AM
1 votes:

East Avenue Arse: You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.


Desktop windows still exist, do that if you want to. Nothing stopping you. I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.
2013-01-20 11:10:25 AM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Flint Ironstag: Ahh, I see. Can you have a Metro app taking up half of one of your monitors? Since I can't I assumed that when W8 runs two screens it treats it as one desktop and all Metro apps are by default running on half the screen, so making them half a monitor would be a quarter of the screen, if that makes sense. I've never managed to do that so I assume it can't.

Metro goes full-monitor on whatever monitor you've got it set on. When you snap an app, it takes about 20% - whatever else is on that monitor, be it desktop or metro, fills that space. There is no way to make it use more than 20%, which is a shame - I'd like to be able to snap several apps, in 20% increments. 40-40-20 with 3 apps, for example, would be nice.

WhippingBoy: East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.

You have said that before, but it is not entirely true. I was hanging out with a friend last night and he was Skyping his gf. He had to leave the Desktop UI to go to the Metro UI to get back to the Skype program. Could he have done it another way? Maybe, but it sure looked like he was trapped into using the Metro UI.

He could have installed the desktop (regular) version of Skype. It sounds like he had the Skype app installed instead.

Correct. Metro skype is a pain in the ass. Install desktop.


"40-40-20 with 3 apps, for example, would be nice."

You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.

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2013-01-20 10:12:34 AM
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It's hysterical that Microsoft seriously thinks they are going to convince businesses to buy a "tablet" with a four hour battery life and no cellular connectivity.

The whole point of tablets in the enterprise was to have a thin, light device with an all day battery life which could access your network from anywhere.
2013-01-20 10:12:00 AM
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Nothin' screams MODERN like a VGA port sticking out the side.
2013-01-20 10:05:12 AM
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oh_please: TFA got one thing right...MS is smart for ditching the Atom. That processor pretty much single-handedly killed off netbooks. I got really tired of having this conversation:

"Can you make my netbook any faster?"

"Nope."

/but the Atom did teach you patience, and patience is a virtue.


I actually think they should move away from ARM to the new generation of Atom processors. They're actually pretty good, and can even beat ARM chips in battery benchmarks.
2013-01-20 09:58:18 AM
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illegal.tender: One of our admins at work had Win 8 on his comp. I do t know for how long, but I walked by his desk on Friday and noticed he had put 7 back on it.

Yeah.


How could you tell by walking past? W8 Desktop can look exactly the same as 7.
2013-01-20 09:57:56 AM
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Flint Ironstag: LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.

But we've been told "Metro is the new Start screen". So wouldn't that mean we are forced to use it? That or forced to learn a lot of new and weird keyboard shortcuts to avoid it? Like using the various buttons that are now hidden and you have to go hunting for them?

And what about default apps that only open in Metro? Like the default PDF viewer? Or even Solitaire? Want to pass a few minutes playing Solitaire while waiting for a streaming video to start? Tough. Solitaire is Metro only and you've opened iPlayer in desktop. Want to open a calculator on top of a PDF to add up some figures? Tough. Can't have the calculator on top of a Metro PDF.


I use the default Metro mail, snapped to the side of my rightmost monitor. The start menu also appears on the rightmost monitor. I've never had any issues with PDFs because this isn't the stone age and my browser handles them. I can't speak to anyone's tolerance for change, I guess, but I'm not at all bothered by the tiny amount of interaction I have with it.

As far as solitaire, I guess sorry for the inconvenience? I just think it takes more for me to hate an OS than less than excellent solitaire experiences.

Just stop using the Metro stuff if you don't like it - there are a million ways to handle PDFs, for example.
2013-01-20 09:53:39 AM
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One of our admins at work had Win 8 on his comp. I do t know for how long, but I walked by his desk on Friday and noticed he had put 7 back on it.

Yeah.
2013-01-20 09:51:27 AM
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LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.


But we've been told "Metro is the new Start screen". So wouldn't that mean we are forced to use it? That or forced to learn a lot of new and weird keyboard shortcuts to avoid it? Like using the various buttons that are now hidden and you have to go hunting for them?

And what about default apps that only open in Metro? Like the default PDF viewer? Or even Solitaire? Want to pass a few minutes playing Solitaire while waiting for a streaming video to start? Tough. Solitaire is Metro only and you've opened iPlayer in desktop. Want to open a calculator on top of a PDF to add up some figures? Tough. Can't have the calculator on top of a Metro PDF.
Xai
2013-01-20 09:49:52 AM
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Because every other OS out there lets you re-size icons... oh wait...
2013-01-20 09:37:36 AM
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I recently purchased the largest phone known to man (At least since Zach Morris was cool) and with the addition of a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, this has been the easiest navigating web appliance i've ever had. I haven't opened my laptop in a week. When my HDMI-out cable gets here next week to plug this into my 26" monitor, it will be an AWESOME computing platform. I can really see this mobile computing thing taking off even in the home, its seriously easy, and super lazy.

Left click to open, right click to go back, center click to go home, long center click for task manager. Even the standard multimedia controls on the keyboard work without any configuration. I'm seriously blown away. And it assumes i'm a retard on an on-screen keyboard and still capitalizes for me, autocompletes like crazy, etc. This is sweet!
2013-01-20 09:35:56 AM
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Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.
2013-01-20 09:27:32 AM
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Actually, the Metro interface has some real advantages I'm discovering as a developer. Not sure what Subby's all on about.
2013-01-20 09:12:39 AM
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This design is what Windows 8 was made for, use it as a laptop with the traditional desktop or use it as a tablet with touch screen with Metro. It makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is ramming Metro down the throat of people who have a desktop PC that will never have a touchscreen. Hence why I have Classic Shell. With that W8 is great.
 
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