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2013-01-20 07:38:11 PM

farkeruk: So, what's the benefit to me of a hybrid? The device comes with a keyboard, a fast, reliable input device. When would I be using the slow, unreliable touchscreen?


So you're asking why anybody would want to use a tablet?
 
2013-01-20 07:38:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Heh. More like being in front of a train.

So you're saying that combination tablet/laptop devices aren't the future of computing?


Sorry, I was under the impression that you were talking about "the future of computing" in that sort of wide-eyed optimistic and evolutionary sense of the word. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. Sure, combination tablet/laptop devices are the future of computing in the same way that heat-sensitive color-changing fabric was the future of textiles. We in IT realize that we'll have to support it as part of our jobs but we're not particularly excited about it.

My prediction is that this is going to go the way of the netbook: a novelty with limited utility that will extinguish quickly now that Microsoft has fully extended and embraced it. In two years Google Glasses will be all the rage and the Surface will be buried next to the Kin while Microsoft introduces the Splort EyeGoggles or some such stupid thing.
 
2013-01-20 07:39:41 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: We in IT realize that we'll have to support it as part of our jobs but we're not particularly excited about it.


Nobody really cares what IT nerds think. Computer sales are driven by your average consumer and they've already shown that they want tablets.
 
2013-01-20 07:41:14 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So you're asking why anybody would want to use a tablet?


Well, I'm always asking that question, but in this case, it's not a tablet, it's a device which already has the more productive keyboard.
 
2013-01-20 07:42:59 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: We in IT realize that we'll have to support it as part of our jobs but we're not particularly excited about it.

Nobody really cares what IT nerds think.


Yeah, we know. :( It's not like we're professionals or anything.

We pal around with the Accounting/Finance and Legal folks on smoke breaks to commiserate.
 
2013-01-20 07:43:36 PM

farkeruk: Well, I'm always asking that question, but in this case, it's not a tablet, it's a device which already has the more productive keyboard.


So you'd rather lay around on the couch or in bed, surfing the internet on a laptop than a tablet? You'd be in the overwhelming minority if true.
 
2013-01-20 07:47:15 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: My prediction is that this is going to go the way of the netbook: a novelty with limited utility that will extinguish quickly now that Microsoft has fully extended and embraced it. In two years Google Glasses will be all the rage and the Surface will be buried next to the Kin while Microsoft introduces the Splort EyeGoggles or some such stupid thing.


The netbook at least served a need for a time - if you couldn't afford a laptop, you got a netbook. Laptops got cheap enough and people stopped buying netbooks.
 
2013-01-20 07:48:40 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It's not like we're professionals


I've known a lot of IT nerds, professional isn't a term I'd use to describe any of them. Most of what your kind does can be learned by searching Google.
 
2013-01-20 07:52:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It's not like we're professionals

I've known a lot of IT nerds, professional isn't a term I'd use to describe any of them. Most of what your kind does can be learned by searching Google.


I farking hate when some IT dumbass has decided to invest in get scammed by obscure bullshiat software that Google can't help me fix.
 
2013-01-20 07:58:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: We in IT realize that we'll have to support it as part of our jobs but we're not particularly excited about it.

Nobody really cares what IT nerds think. Computer sales are driven by your average consumer and they've already shown that they want tablets

hate Windows 8

FTFY
 
2013-01-20 08:12:23 PM

moothemagiccow: I farking hate when some IT dumbass has decided to invest in get scammed by obscure bullshiat software that Google can't help me fix.


Heh. Sharepoint.

I have seen so many careers killed over Sharepoint.

Popcorn Johnny: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It's not like we're professionals

I've known a lot of __________ , professional isn't a term I'd use to describe any of them. Most of what your kind does can be learned by searching Google.


Meh. You can pretty much fill in the blank there. Hell, I live in a city full of doctors and lawyers; we all joke about being professional Googleologists over beer. Even the sales guys get their leads mostly through Google.

Hell, even the more industrial professions are not immune. Thanks to Google I know how to make my own sushi.

/one day it'll kill us all
//Google, I mean, the sushi is delicious
 
2013-01-20 08:50:41 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Rent Party: TheGhostofFarkPast: Rent Party: I love my farking Surface. You can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.


No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.


You're a farking idiot, for the record. So get back in your cube so the grownups can talk.

haha please tell me this was a sarcastic post and you aren't this big of a d-bag in real life? Cube? Please I bet money my office is at least two to three times larger than yours with ease.
If you were smart you would go get something like ActivEcho and avoid having to explain to auditors down the road why your info was sitting on a server that your company can't control. Or you can keep being the d-bag you are and continue to run good talent away due to that wonderful attitude of yours.


Well, seeing how it was a "business plan" it more than likely is not company information but rather something this guy is thinking about doing on the side or after leaving. The fact he is playing solitaire at work already tells us that he has no qualms about using company resources for non-company things.
 
2013-01-20 08:55:16 PM
I'm sitting in a hot tub, typing this on a tablet...


Can't do that on a netbook...
 
2013-01-20 09:39:04 PM

farkeruk: Popcorn Johnny: So you're asking why anybody would want to use a tablet?

Well, I'm always asking that question, but in this case, it's not a tablet, it's a device which already has the more productive keyboard.


I asked that question until I decided on a whim to get a Nexus 7. I love it. It's much easier to lug around, much more convenient to play with while sprawled out on the couch, and it lets me do 95 percent of what I do on my laptop.

I still need the laptop for work or when I need to type a lot, but Farking and Facebooking and reading the news works just fine on the tablet.

A functional tablet laptop hybrid would be the answer to my dreams, but I think we're a few years away from unifying the devices.
 
2013-01-20 10:12:05 PM

Anonymous Bosch: I wonder what Microsoft pays for an article like this?


I was thinking the same thing reading that article. He went out of his way to insult tried and true hardware designs and to drool over Win8.
 
2013-01-20 10:12:52 PM

elchip: farkeruk: Popcorn Johnny: So you're asking why anybody would want to use a tablet?

Well, I'm always asking that question, but in this case, it's not a tablet, it's a device which already has the more productive keyboard.

I asked that question until I decided on a whim to get a Nexus 7. I love it. It's much easier to lug around, much more convenient to play with while sprawled out on the couch, and it lets me do 95 percent of what I do on my laptop.

I still need the laptop for work or when I need to type a lot, but Farking and Facebooking and reading the news works just fine on the tablet.

A functional tablet laptop hybrid would be the answer to my dreams, but I think we're a few years away from unifying the devices.


the Nexus 7 is a quality device, I own once along with an iPad, but it paired with a bluetooth keyboard is killer. Also if your company owns or runs a terminal server or Citrix zen server, and you can get remote access to it then you basically have your laptop online and available to you at every turn. Having a terminal server to log into and knock out any real laptop work you need to does away with the need to have a laptop at ever turn.
 
2013-01-20 11:08:43 PM

LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.

Desktop windows still exist, do that if you want to. Nothing stopping you. I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

Serious question: is there anything you can do in Win8 that you could not have done in Win7?

One of the big reasons I haven't switched is that I need to be productive at work every day. Losing a day or two (or even an hour or two) to getting all of this reorganized and figured out really isn't an option. I could sell it, if I had something new that would make my life easier and make me more productive, but I haven't seen that "killer app" yet. So, what is it?

You can mount ISOs directly from the filesystem, which is nice. There are lots of performance improvements to core things, like networking.

Overall, though, would I recommend updating from Windows 7? Not really. If you have a good thing going with Windows 7, just wait on it until you upgrade your PC.


For the record, millions of us have been loading ISOs directly as drives for over a decade. Virtual drives are old hat.
 
2013-01-21 12:21:51 AM

Flint Ironstag: So why didn't MS do that instead of driving lots of people to a third-party app?


i work on server. i know someone who works on a client team closely related. I asked him the same question

his response: "Do you want to maintain and test two different launch menus, one of them based on code that is older than most highschoolers today?"
 
2013-01-21 01:10:02 AM
My favorite part of Windows 8 threads are the stodgy old men clinging to their beige boxes and telling everyone how touchscreen computing is just a dumb fad for toys. Thanks for the laughs, gents. By the way, do you mind burning us some audio CDs for my disc changer in my car? Thanks in advance.
 
2013-01-21 01:29:19 AM

Irregardless: In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.


I don't sit within arms reach of my screen, either at home or at work. And I don't want to develop "gorilla arm". Mouse and key board please.
 
2013-01-21 01:45:57 AM

Popcorn Johnny:

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.

I work in cad all day. A mouse is faster, more precise and allows more flexible input than a touch screen allows. A mousers preferable because one cant see what is being manipulated when your hand is in the way. If my office was forced to work on touch screens instead of mice we would start throwing computers out windows. See also: "gorilla arm" with desktop computers and posture problems related to holding a screen in your lap for 6-8 hours a day.
 
2013-01-21 02:22:31 AM

Elfich: I work in cad all day. A mouse is faster, more precise and allows more flexible input than a touch screen allows. A mousers preferable because one cant see what is being manipulated when your hand is in the way. If my office was forced to work on touch screens instead of mice we would start throwing computers out windows. See also: "gorilla arm" with desktop computers and posture problems related to holding a screen in your lap for 6-8 hours a day.


Why do so many of you seem to think that mice and keyboards are going to go away? When docked, you'll use your monitor as a monitor. The touchscreen only comes into play when you want to use it as a tablet.
 
2013-01-21 02:42:28 AM

Elfich: Popcorn Johnny:

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.

I work in cad all day. A mouse is faster, more precise and allows more flexible input than a touch screen allows. A mousers preferable because one cant see what is being manipulated when your hand is in the way. If my office was forced to work on touch screens instead of mice we would start throwing computers out windows. See also: "gorilla arm" with desktop computers and posture problems related to holding a screen in your lap for 6-8 hours a day.


Think drafting table sized input display (4K resolution) with Wacom style input pen. Throw in a 3D puck mouse for navigation and I guarantee you CAD/BIM designers would run circles around mouse based designers with desktop displays. All the benefits of 3D CAD, with all of the traditional tools architects have used for a century.

Even with working on high resolution 27" displays, the desktop user's layouts are woefully scaled and no where the size of full sized blueprints.

If they built that device, I'd order 10 of them today.
 
2013-01-21 07:20:37 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Marcus Aurelius: I'm looking for Microsoft to provide some REAL innovation, like hiding the entire file name instead of just the extension.

I like how it's 2013 and Windows is still dependent on extensions for application associations.

The *nix world did away with that in the 90's. Call the file whatever you want, the OS will figure it out.


...by appending 3 characters to the end of the filename? Sounds like Windows already has it figured out.
 
2013-01-21 08:18:51 AM

Truth's Urethra: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Marcus Aurelius: I'm looking for Microsoft to provide some REAL innovation, like hiding the entire file name instead of just the extension.

I like how it's 2013 and Windows is still dependent on extensions for application associations.

The *nix world did away with that in the 90's. Call the file whatever you want, the OS will figure it out.

...by appending 3 characters to the end of the filename? Sounds like Windows already has it figured out.


The topic here being innovation.

The 8.3 file format is from the 70s and was improved upon about 10-15 years ago while Windows insists on being stuck in the past.

Speaking of decade old technology, I will say one good thing about Windows 8: at least now it can read S.M.A.R.T. data from disk drives. Took you freaking long enough.
 
2013-01-21 08:45:30 AM

theurge14: By the way, do you mind burning us some audio CDs for my disc changer in my car?


I'm starting to think this is the best way to play music in the car. The pricey custom stereo I got does crazy shiat and the removable faceplate detaches on its own, loosening the ipod jack, thus phase cancelling the center channel mid-song. The headphone cables I bought slowly got ripped to shreds. The bargain basement ones don't even connect properly.

The Galaxy S3 flat out sucks. It tells me it's up too loud at maximum and turns the volume down between sessions, so when I switch to the radio it's cranked. The S3 sends chatter over the wire between songs, stops playing unexpectedly and interrupts the song with silence when I get an email.
 
2013-01-21 08:56:12 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Heh. Sharepoint.

I have seen so many careers killed over Sharepoint.


I wish. You've heard of Sharepoint. I don't know where they dredged up half the stuff they got. They spent $40k on a custom CMS that is worse than any randomfreecms and never gets updated. They could've hired a dev for months (who would've just installed Wordpress), but some Eastern European company hoodwinked them instead. They just don't seem to understand false economy.
 
2013-01-21 09:10:07 AM

labrat8420: I recently purchased the largest phone known to man (At least since Zach Morris was cool) and with the addition of a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, this has been the easiest navigating web appliance i've ever had. I haven't opened my laptop in a week. When my HDMI-out cable gets here next week to plug this into my 26" monitor, it will be an AWESOME computing platform. I can really see this mobile computing thing taking off even in the home, its seriously easy, and super lazy.

Left click to open, right click to go back, center click to go home, long center click for task manager. Even the standard multimedia controls on the keyboard work without any configuration. I'm seriously blown away. And it assumes i'm a retard on an on-screen keyboard and still capitalizes for me, autocompletes like crazy, etc. This is sweet!


ok, apple h8tr, whatevahthafarkingfarkevah.
 
2013-01-21 09:19:53 AM

LasersHurt: vudukungfu: LasersHurt: . I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

security guard, huh?

Support for a software company, work from home.


Hey, that's what I do.
And I used to be a security guard, too.
 
2013-01-21 09:33:03 AM

vudukungfu: LasersHurt: vudukungfu: LasersHurt: . I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

security guard, huh?

Support for a software company, work from home.

Hey, that's what I do.
And I used to be a security guard, too.


Do you have a standing desk? I went standing desk and drafting chair if I want to sit at that height, and I'm never looking back.
 
2013-01-21 10:22:54 AM

WhippingBoy: It has it's flaws, but all in all, it's quite decent.


The phrase "quite decent" is faint praise for a system that has a steep learning curve to really use it well.

/If you spend all the time that it takes to get used to it and figure out what you're doing, it basically works pretty well I suppose.
//Why would anyone get past the first half of that sentence?
 
2013-01-21 11:16:04 AM

burndtdan: WhippingBoy: It has it's flaws, but all in all, it's quite decent.

The phrase "quite decent" is faint praise for a system that has a steep learning curve to really use it well.

/If you spend all the time that it takes to get used to it and figure out what you're doing, it basically works pretty well I suppose.
//Why would anyone get past the first half of that sentence?


Let's expand on "quite decent", quite anecdotally. Did I mutter to myself the first few times I used it about getting to control panel and closing windows? yep.
Did I mutter to myself that the admin metro tiles should be on be default? yep
Was I pleasantly surprised by built in driver support and the auto device and printer discovery? yep
Do I really like cross device synchronization? hells yeah. Having it consistent across my laptop and the Asus tablet is a really nice feature.

For me the litmus test was how the kids found it.
Upgraded his laptop from Win 7. Gave him the 5 minute tour of quick switching between metro and desktop, hot points for open window access and metro "control panel" and effective use of the windows key. Half hour later he had all the tiles he wanted, where he wanted and off he went.
Her new laptop came with it pre installed. before that she had absconded with my Macbook Air on a regular basis, but wanted her own ultrabook style laptop. Gave her the same 5 minute walk through. Helped her fight through the native Skype install (seriously MS, you need to force the farking thing on there). And she is off to races.

So, for a younger demographic who deals with "tiles" and the notion of a grid layout for things they want to do thanks to Uis like IOS, Wii, ICS and the 360 they had minimal issues once they were given the basic tour. They'll be the ones driving purchases moving forward, so perhaps it isn't such a big clusterfark as everyone is making it out to be.
 
2013-01-21 01:24:18 PM

MrSteve007: Elfich: Popcorn Johnny:

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.

I work in cad all day. A mouse is faster, more precise and allows more flexible input than a touch screen allows. A mousers preferable because one cant see what is being manipulated when your hand is in the way. If my office was forced to work on touch screens instead of mice we would start throwing computers out windows. See also: "gorilla arm" with desktop computers and posture problems related to holding a screen in your lap for 6-8 hours a day.

Think drafting table sized input display (4K resolution) with Wacom style input pen. Throw in a 3D puck mouse for navigation and I guarantee you CAD/BIM designers would run circles around mouse based designers with desktop displays. All the benefits of 3D CAD, with all of the traditional tools architects have used for a century.

Even with working on high resolution 27" displays, the desktop user's layouts are woefully scaled and no where the size of full sized blueprints.

If they built that device, I'd order 10 of them today.


Simple reasons why that device won't go any further than the conference room: The space and cost. My work station costs $1000 with the dual monitor setup. That 4k conference room table will cost 30k and only one person can work on it. In addition the space requirement is enormous. Modern offices don't support that because the space required to make one of those productive would take up the space that 3-4 people with office cubes would take.

And I don't see the productivity jump for one person outperforming 3-4 people with 27" flat screens.
 
2013-01-21 01:32:28 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Elfich: I work in cad all day. A mouse is faster, more precise and allows more flexible input than a touch screen allows. A mousers preferable because one cant see what is being manipulated when your hand is in the way. If my office was forced to work on touch screens instead of mice we would start throwing computers out windows. See also: "gorilla arm" with desktop computers and posture problems related to holding a screen in your lap for 6-8 hours a day.

Why do so many of you seem to think that mice and keyboards are going to go away? When docked, you'll use your monitor as a monitor. The touchscreen only comes into play when you want to use it as a tablet.


Docking and undocking is something that people have been trying to sell for the last 20 years with moderate amounts of success. "Use it as a laptop when on the road use it as a desktop when at the office." When I am using a desktop I want the biggest screen available and that means it is something that I don't want to detach and manhandle as a tablet because it is going to be the size of a briefcase and weight in at over 10 pounds.It will sit on my desk and not move. And then it behaves differently depending if it is acting as a screen or a tablet. No fun at all- I would have to learn to entirely different input methods for the same computer.

And you didn't address the posture issues: Hunched over a table for 6-8 hours a day gives people neck and back strain and muscles cramps. It is why you see people with telephone books under their monitors to raise the height up to something reasonable.
 
2013-01-21 02:48:58 PM

Elfich: Simple reasons why that device won't go any further than the conference room: The space and cost. My work station costs $1000 with the dual monitor setup. That 4k conference room table will cost 30k and only one person can work on it. In addition the space requirement is enormous. Modern offices don't support that because the space required to make one of those productive would take up the space that 3-4 people with office cubes would take.

And I don't see the productivity jump for one person outperforming 3-4 people with 27" flat screens.


You're doing CAD work with a $1,000 computer? I take it isn't very demanding work. Between our hardware and software, we're easily up to $20k a workstation. Heck, I still have the receipts for when we bought our first 2 CAD stations in the early 80's. They were $30k apiece.

Most of our cubes still have old drafting tables around, and the architects still need table area to look over the full or half size printed blueprints before shipping them out to the contractors.
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Now our designers have all that area above, plus space for their desk with phone, monitors + workstation. For us, being able to combine the CAD work area and layout area to a digital drafting table would be beneficial to space.
 
2013-01-21 03:27:25 PM

MrSteve007: Elfich: Simple reasons why that device won't go any further than the conference room: The space and cost. My work station costs $1000 with the dual monitor setup. That 4k conference room table will cost 30k and only one person can work on it. In addition the space requirement is enormous. Modern offices don't support that because the space required to make one of those productive would take up the space that 3-4 people with office cubes would take.

And I don't see the productivity jump for one person outperforming 3-4 people with 27" flat screens.

You're doing CAD work with a $1,000 computer? I take it isn't very demanding work. Between our hardware and software, we're easily up to $20k a workstation. Heck, I still have the receipts for when we bought our first 2 CAD stations in the early 80's. They were $30k apiece.

Most of our cubes still have old drafting tables around, and the architects still need table area to look over the full or half size printed blueprints before shipping them out to the contractors.
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Now our designers have all that area above, plus space for their desk with phone, monitors + workstation. For us, being able to combine the CAD work area and layout area to a digital drafting table would be beneficial to space.


Just standard issue MEP design.
 
2013-01-21 04:30:04 PM

LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.


If one has Windows 7 already, what's the reason to upgrade then? Seems like everything already works with 7 and I already know its interface.

Not having a more clearcut answer than what I'll get "you'll get used to it" is why 8 isn't setting fire to the market like XP and eventually 7 did.
 
2013-01-21 04:43:12 PM
I still can't figure out how to get my speaker volume knob to actually work with win7
 
2013-01-21 05:34:12 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.

If one has Windows 7 already, what's the reason to upgrade then? Seems like everything already works with 7 and I already know its interface.

Not having a more clearcut answer than what I'll get "you'll get used to it" is why 8 isn't setting fire to the market like XP and eventually 7 did.


If you don't have a touchscreen computer there isn't a big reason to move up to 8. But it's not the end of the world for your next computer. While there is scary change to deal with, as it was so elegantly put once... You'll get over it.
 
2013-01-21 10:26:14 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: LasersHurt: Again, you are not forced to use Metro, or trapped in it in any way. I spend 99.9% of my time on the desktop in Windows 8.

If one has Windows 7 already, what's the reason to upgrade then? Seems like everything already works with 7 and I already know its interface.

Not having a more clearcut answer than what I'll get "you'll get used to it" is why 8 isn't setting fire to the market like XP and eventually 7 did.


That, actually, is the crux of the reason for slow Windows 8 sales - there's no serious impetus for upgrading to Windows 8 from Windows 7. It's not like the upgrade from Vista (may it rest in hell) to Windows 7. Windows 8 will gradually replace Windows 7, as it's shipped out on new desktops, laptops, netbooks, tablets, etc., but there's no great rush for Windows 7 folks.

The fun part is watching folks argue as if this was somehow unanticipated. There's a reason Microsoft's stock didn't tank after the claimed "slow sales", unlike the beating Apple received upon the slowdown for the iPhone. Wall Street reacts badly to surprises. Windows 8's adoption rate wasn't a surprise.
 
2013-01-22 12:47:59 PM

farkeruk: Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: Tablets are toys. OK, there's that guy that writes javascript on his, and I've seen a guy on a train preparing a presentation (painfully) on his iPad, but tablets are mostly toys.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what's been going on with tablets, have you? Scroll up and you'll see a couple of examples that I posted of hybrids that have recently been released. They're full fledged laptops that can be folded up to be a tablet.

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.

So, what's the benefit to me of a hybrid? The device comes with a keyboard, a fast, reliable input device. When would I be using the slow, unreliable touchscreen?


Because there's lots of things that you can do better with a touchscreen, and I hate trying to type with the damn thing sitting in my lap.

I'm so old I'm still pissed about the Startup button. Give me a damn menu at the top left that can't be overwritten- even fullscreen doesn't cover it. What's with the insistence in hiding that your computer is a computer?
 
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