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2013-01-20 04:50:06 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Tablets are outselling desktops and laptops these days. Yeah, everybody.


That's only because the people with laptops and PCs already have one that does the job, so the morons with cash are outnumbering the sensible people with a working tool.
 
2013-01-20 04:57:43 PM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Rent Party: I love my farking Surface. You can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Surface in real life, just two days ago.

Me: End of day, playing solitare. Up walks Highly Respected Coworker.

HRC: What's happenin'

Me: Nothing much. Hey, you have a minute, I want to walk you through a business plan I'm cooking up.

HRC: Sure.

Me: Flips to PowerPoint, opens presentation stored on DropBox, walks through presentation.

HRC: That's a good idea, where did your revenue and cost figures come from?

Me: Flips to Excel, opens up financing spreadsheets also on DropBox, walks HRC through the numbers.

HRC: That makes sense, give me a call next week and we can do some more work ont it.

Me: No problems. Thanks for the ear. Goes back to playing solitaire.

I like the Surface because I can Angry Bird as much as I want, and still do real work.

Wow you store sensitive company data on Dropbox. That has stupid written all over it. I'm sure both your IT department and IT Security would love to hear their stuff is being stored on a server they have no control over.


No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.


You're a farking idiot, for the record. So get back in your cube so the grownups can talk.
 
2013-01-20 04:59:12 PM
In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.
 
kab
2013-01-20 05:04:48 PM

Irregardless: In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.


Good luck with that.
 
2013-01-20 05:06:30 PM

Flint Ironstag: This is why traditional desktop PCs are going to be around for a long time. I bought my XP PC in 2001 from a PC store. Three months later the power supply died. Though it was under warranty it was far quicker and easier for me to walk into Maplins (sort of like Radio Shack) and say "Power supply for a PC" and have the guy hand one over without even needing to ask what make it was. Cost me £17 (about $25) and that lasted five years until I needed to replace it when I upgraded the mobo and needed more power. Over the next ten years I upgraded everything in that PC at least once apart from the case and the floppy drive. I still use it as my second PC. Repairing or upgrading it is like playing LEGO, you can just swap parts around with ease.


The ironic thing is that nowadays, upgrades are a doddle. Adding a SATA SSD drive today was simply plug a couple of cables in (that can't be reversed), fit in a bay, change the boot sequence and off we go. The Windows 8 upgrade was pretty easy (although the Metro stuff is garbage). It found drivers for everything. My wireless keyboard, mouse, video driver, all fine.
 
2013-01-20 05:33:42 PM

Irregardless: In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.


I don't understand people like you and your bizarre prognostications. It's like you think that because touch screens exist, only touch screens exist.

That's just not true.
 
2013-01-20 05:34:44 PM
I've never owned a laptop that was designed so badly it required a kickstand, and I never will.
 
2013-01-20 05:35:03 PM

farkeruk: Flint Ironstag: This is why traditional desktop PCs are going to be around for a long time. I bought my XP PC in 2001 from a PC store. Three months later the power supply died. Though it was under warranty it was far quicker and easier for me to walk into Maplins (sort of like Radio Shack) and say "Power supply for a PC" and have the guy hand one over without even needing to ask what make it was. Cost me £17 (about $25) and that lasted five years until I needed to replace it when I upgraded the mobo and needed more power. Over the next ten years I upgraded everything in that PC at least once apart from the case and the floppy drive. I still use it as my second PC. Repairing or upgrading it is like playing LEGO, you can just swap parts around with ease.

The ironic thing is that nowadays, upgrades are a doddle. Adding a SATA SSD drive today was simply plug a couple of cables in (that can't be reversed), fit in a bay, change the boot sequence and off we go. The Windows 8 upgrade was pretty easy (although the Metro stuff is garbage). It found drivers for everything. My wireless keyboard, mouse, video driver, all fine.


I actually had to get a new video card, my old dual monitor one didn't like W8. Apart from that it went like a dream, even installing Thunderbird to replace Outlook.
 
2013-01-20 05:39:02 PM

Irregardless: In very short order you will not be able to buy any PC that does not have a touch screen. The current generation using Ipads and smart phones will demand it.


Sit at my desk and have to raise my arms up to shoulder height at full stretch to reach the screen? Fark that. I'll stick with my trackerball where my hand rests on it and I barely have to move my fingers.

Touchscreen PCs may be great if you work behind the counter at McDonalds but for everyone else it would be like going from a car with power steering to one without. In fact I've just ordered two new widescreen monitors for my PC to get the higher resolution to be able to Snap metro apps, and it's an excuse to get two nice new monitors of course. But I didn't consider touchscreen for a second.
 
2013-01-20 05:43:50 PM

farkeruk: hat's only because the people with laptops and PCs already have one that does the job


And they'll never need to buy another one, right?
 
2013-01-20 05:48:26 PM

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: hat's only because the people with laptops and PCs already have one that does the job

And they'll never need to buy another one, right?


My PC lasted well over ten years as my main PC, and I'm still using it. They're so easy to upgrade, why buy a new one? Lots of companies use a PC for a specific job, and if it does that job today it will do that in twenty years time. For routine office email or WP duties a ten year old XP machine will do the job the same as a brand new machine, so why waste money if the old one still works?
 
2013-01-20 05:53:28 PM

Flint Ironstag: My PC lasted well over ten years as my main PC, and I'm still using it. They're so easy to upgrade, why buy a new one? Lots of companies use a PC for a specific job, and if it does that job today it will do that in twenty years time. For routine office email or WP duties a ten year old XP machine will do the job the same as a brand new machine, so why waste money if the old one still works?


Most people couldn't care less about desktop PC's anymore. I know a lot of people who are already using tablets as their only device and most others are using laptops. Combining those two into one device is the wave of the future and it's already happening.
 
2013-01-20 05:54:52 PM
windows 8 lets you disable metro UI if you wish.

/the reason windows 8 isn't taking off is because idiots can't be bothered to ask if it can be turned off, windows 8 offers nothing that is must have compared to windows 7, and a lot of gamers will spend $5000 on a gaming rig and refuse to spend $100 for windows 7, choosing instead to run a pirate version of XP because it handles their 16Gigyibyters of Ramula more betterer. ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-01-20 05:59:53 PM

Rent Party: No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.


And that attitude is why it takes so long for any of your tickets to get resolved.

Are those sales and revenue figures something that finance has approved for public dissemination? If they are, I don't see a problem with them on dropbox.

Finance data like revenue and sales figures generally isn't meant to be very public though.
 
2013-01-20 06:00:55 PM

fluffy2097: windows 8 lets you disable metro UI if you wish.

/the reason windows 8 isn't taking off is because idiots can't be bothered to ask if it can be turned off, windows 8 offers nothing that is must have compared to windows 7, and a lot of gamers will spend $5000 on a gaming rig and refuse to spend $100 for windows 7, choosing instead to run a pirate version of XP because it handles their 16Gigyibyters of Ramula more betterer. ಠ_ಠ


How do you disable Metro? Without a third party app like Classic Shell or Start 8?
 
2013-01-20 06:06:42 PM

Flint Ironstag: fluffy2097: windows 8 lets you disable metro UI if you wish.

/the reason windows 8 isn't taking off is because idiots can't be bothered to ask if it can be turned off, windows 8 offers nothing that is must have compared to windows 7, and a lot of gamers will spend $5000 on a gaming rig and refuse to spend $100 for windows 7, choosing instead to run a pirate version of XP because it handles their 16Gigyibyters of Ramula more betterer. ಠ_ಠ

How do you disable Metro? Without a third party app like Classic Shell or Start 8?


Yes, I'm interested in this as well. I use ClassicShell, it's great.

The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.
 
2013-01-20 06:10:41 PM

oh_please: Yes, I'm interested in this as well. I use ClassicShell, it's great.

The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.


In the preview there was a Group Policy setting that did it, but they removed it by RTM. AFAIK there is no way. Microsoft is forcing their idiotic frankengui on everyone now.

I wouldn't even mind so much if Metro worked and they made it the new interface, but on a traditional device Metro is beyond pointless and it just serves as a jarring 2nd interface as you flop between it and the desktop like a landed fish.
 
2013-01-20 06:12:00 PM

oh_please: The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.


If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?
 
2013-01-20 06:19:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click.


That does not bring up the start button.
 
2013-01-20 06:21:53 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: That does not bring up the start button.


My mistake, left corner.
 
2013-01-20 06:21:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.

If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?


Replace a familiar operation that opened a hierarchical ordered menu leading to your selection without needing to click until you got to your choice with a hidden button that opens an explorer window that you need to navigate by scrolling to find your choice?

Again, that's Ford taking the ignition key off the steering wheel and hiding it in the glove box. "It's still there!", just harder to find. And at least that you'd only have to use once a journey!
 
2013-01-20 06:25:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Vegan Meat Popsicle: That does not bring up the start button.

My mistake, left corner.


Shouldn't laugh really, but when explaining how easy it is to find and even you make a mistake. That sums it up perfectly. Everyone knew where the Start button was. But even someone saying how easy W8 is to use gets it wrong when saying where the new control is. Now multiply that by thousands of office drones who barely know how to cut n paste trying to get used to a new W8 PC and struggling to remember what they ned to do to bring up this or that with hidden buttons and you have a training and tech support nightmare.
 
2013-01-20 06:26:12 PM

Popcorn Johnny: My mistake, left corner.


That does not bring up the start button.

It brings up what is essentially a subset of the administrative tools and control panel items. A nice start, but less efficient than just hitting the start menu key on my keyboard while I'm typing and flipping to it with the arrow keys. And it doesn't include what I really need anyway: my programs nicely organized.

I can just splatter my shiat at home on the desktop like a common idiot since it's mostly just games, but, at work, that doesn't really cut it.

I find it amazing that on an OS that is ostensibly about point and click/touch the only real way to be productive is to learn all the keyboard shortcuts and Powershell cmdlets.
 
2013-01-20 06:28:29 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And it doesn't include what I really need anyway: my programs nicely organized.


You have two options for that, placing them on your desktop or on the Metro UI. I'd guess that 99% of users place icons to commonly used programs on their desktop and don't go to the start menu to access them.
 
2013-01-20 06:33:36 PM

fluffy2097: Rent Party: No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.

And that attitude is why it takes so long for any of your tickets to get resolved.

Are those sales and revenue figures something that finance has approved for public dissemination? If they are, I don't see a problem with them on dropbox.

Finance data like revenue and sales figures generally isn't meant to be very public though.


Oh. I've worked for guys like this before.

Stalling on IT tickets is puerile. Besides, I'd much rather be a high profile miracle worker to your idiot self not being able to figure out how to use the projector (note: they don't offer classes on using a projector; you don't even need to read the manual so much as look at the little pictures) than thanklessly figure out the headscratcher production issues anyway.

What Rent Party's manuever tends to do is get us to update our resumes and freshen up our professional network in case Dropbox gets Megaupload'd. Often times the very act of doing this finds us an easier-to-deal with brand of asshole who pays better. Then you get your PTO to under 40 hours in case they decide to play shenanigans with your bennies, drop a resignation, and "train" the new person. ("You'll figure it out. Good luck.")

It's nothing to get angry about. We're not legally liable for executive stupidity, we generally don't own stock in the company, and it tends to work out in our favor more often than not.

Keep on keeping on, Rent Party. You're doing it right.
 
2013-01-20 06:33:56 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: The problem with Win8 is that MS is pissing off all their loyal users in an effort to force Metro down their throats. We'll see if this gamble pays off.

If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?


Ok, let me spell it out.

Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.

I install ClassicShell, explain to them that it's a third-party app, and there is NO support whatsoever.

My clients say, " I don't care, it works now"

If you have to install a third-party app to make your core base like your UI, YOU HAVE FAILED.
 
2013-01-20 06:37:27 PM

oh_please: Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.


Are you IT support for Wal-mart?
 
2013-01-20 06:38:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If they were trying to force it down your throat, they would have done away with the standard desktop. I can't beleive that people are freaking out so much about losing the start button. Mouse down to the lower right corner and right click. Really, is that asking too much?


Yes. Yes it is.

I've spent 15 years with the start button. I know precisely how it operates. My brain is trained for Windows 7. How do I shut it down? I don't have to think too hard about it. Now, I'm sure if I didn't use Start 8, I'd learn how to do it in Win 8, the Win 8 way, but you know, I'm not sensing that there's any benefit for me over doing things the way I do them now.

The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.
 
2013-01-20 06:40:36 PM

farkeruk: The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.


Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.
 
2013-01-20 06:41:35 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.

Are you IT support for Wal-mart?


I wonder how many PCs WalMart buys? Maybe pissing off large corporate customers by making your new OS harder and confusing to use isn't a good idea?
 
2013-01-20 06:44:54 PM

oh_please: My clients say, " I don't care, it works now"


Every developer I know on Windows, include the sort of hardcore devs that write books about Windows development, is using Start8. The only defenders of Metro that I've heard are Microsoft employees.
 
2013-01-20 06:45:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.

Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.


Having Metro as an option on W8 would have done that. Leaving Desktop alone, or a tweek/restyle of XP/7, and have Metro be an option would have allowed them to make one product that was better under the hood, easy to use and familiar to millions of customers and been future proof for tablets and touchscreen down the line. I'm convinced that would have been a hit.

You win over customers by adding things. Not by taking things away. Especially things they've spent over a decade using and know like the back of their hand.
 
2013-01-20 06:47:12 PM

farkeruk: oh_please: My clients say, " I don't care, it works now"

Every developer I know on Windows, include the sort of hardcore devs that write books about Windows development, is using Start8. The only defenders of Metro that I've heard are Microsoft employees.


Classic Shell is free....

/Yes, I'm cheap.
 
2013-01-20 06:48:02 PM

farkeruk: The only defenders of Metro that I've heard are Microsoft employees.


Metro is pretty pointless on my desktop, I only upgraded because I was curious and got it for $14.99. What metro is good for is tablets and hybrids which is obviously what it was designed for. This will be the last desktop I own, my next computer will be a hybrid. Tablet 95% of the time, laptop when I need it.
 
2013-01-20 06:50:49 PM

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: The whole tablet interface and Metro is about the MS directors looking hip, to convince the shareholders that they know what they are doing, and could be Apple.

Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.


Heh. More like being in front of a train.

Unity did it before Metro and it's generally agreed that Unity was a disaster. Which is especially remarkable since it was free.

I don't really mind so much that Windows has never been on the forefront of computing but it's a special brand of stupid to bundle every bad idea discussed in 2008, do nothing when it failed in part or in whole for others who implemented it first, and then ... what? Act surprised when it blows up in their faces five years later?

/hay guiz, Apple's iphone is totes a walled garden amirite? Lame-o. So lets get in on that.
 
2013-01-20 06:55:01 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Heh. More like being in front of a train.


So you're saying that combination tablet/laptop devices aren't the future of computing?
 
2013-01-20 06:58:56 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Metro is about being in front of the next big thing in computing.


Tablets are toys. OK, there's that guy that writes javascript on his, and I've seen a guy on a train preparing a presentation (painfully) on his iPad, but tablets are mostly toys.

Because of that, no-one cares about Microsoft's version of the toy, which costs as much as an iPad, lacks the hipster value and apps of an iPad.
 
2013-01-20 06:59:02 PM
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2013-01-20 07:03:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: You have two options for that, placing them on your desktop or on the Metro UI. I'd guess that 99% of users place icons to commonly used programs on their desktop and don't go to the start menu to access them.


And you'd be right, but it would have been nice if they'd fixed that deficient behavior by offering a strong alternative than just having you splatter them across the start menu like vomit instead of splattering them across the desktop like vomit.

Given the poor sales so far, it seems like the solution offered by Microsoft ultimately works for nobody.
 
2013-01-20 07:08:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: oh_please: Every person that I've had to support that bought a PC with Win8 FARKING HATES IT.

Are you IT support for Wal-mart?


You don't get it, do you?

I support end users that have worked with Windows all their lives. They buy a new Windows PC and suddenly nothing works the way it's worked, farking EVER. If you have to Google how to close a program, that's a big problem. These people run the gamut from businesses who depend on Windows to run their shiat, to people who just want to send a farking email. Honestly, nobody wants to take the time to learn a new UI, especially when there's no tangible benefits.

The truth is that MS is trying to force Metro down everyone's throats in an attempt to sell tablets and phones. Maybe it'll work.
 
2013-01-20 07:09:04 PM

Rent Party: TheGhostofFarkPast: Rent Party: I love my farking Surface. You can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.


No I store high level PowerPoint presentations on drop box. Those belong to me and the entire point of them is to show them to people.

My IT people do what I tell them, not the other way around.


You're a farking idiot, for the record. So get back in your cube so the grownups can talk.


haha please tell me this was a sarcastic post and you aren't this big of a d-bag in real life? Cube? Please I bet money my office is at least two to three times larger than yours with ease.
If you were smart you would go get something like ActivEcho and avoid having to explain to auditors down the road why your info was sitting on a server that your company can't control. Or you can keep being the d-bag you are and continue to run good talent away due to that wonderful attitude of yours.
 
2013-01-20 07:18:29 PM

East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.

Desktop windows still exist, do that if you want to. Nothing stopping you. I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

Serious question: is there anything you can do in Win8 that you could not have done in Win7?

One of the big reasons I haven't switched is that I need to be productive at work every day. Losing a day or two (or even an hour or two) to getting all of this reorganized and figured out really isn't an option. I could sell it, if I had something new that would make my life easier and make me more productive, but I haven't seen that "killer app" yet. So, what is it?


No. I'm actually reinstalling Windows 7 tomorrow over Windows 8. "metro" (or whatever it's called this week) just gets in the way.
 
2013-01-20 07:21:36 PM

Flint Ironstag: Vaneshi: Flint Ironstag: [img252.imageshack.us image 724x432]


You're going to have to change some of the dates around, 2002 sounds very late; I distinctly remember 'Pen Editions' of Win3.1x.

If you're going to try and bait people you should at least do so in a way that doesn't make you look like an idiot hmm?

It's an image I found on Fark months ago. I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it. If there were tablets even earlier then that's just more proof Apple didn't invent them.


Who said Apple invented the tablet? Or the smartphone? or the mouse? or the computer?

No one but idiots who believe Steve Jobs personally fark'n rm as a child.

/the first tablets did succeed because they were shiat
 
2013-01-20 07:24:11 PM

oh_please: The truth is that MS is trying to force Metro down everyone's throats in an attempt to sell tablets and phones. Maybe it'll work.


Unlikely.

For one thing, there's all this blather about businesses buying tablets, but frankly, businesses don't care about tablets except in a few specific examples. If they'd wanted tablets, the original ones from 2002-2003 would have sold in greater numbers. OK, there's the plug-in keyboard, but at which point, why does touchscreen matter to you?

For everyone else, they mostly use the tablet as a toy/leisure device and Android and Apple both have better offerings than what Microsoft have.
 
2013-01-20 07:25:02 PM

farkeruk: Tablets are toys. OK, there's that guy that writes javascript on his, and I've seen a guy on a train preparing a presentation (painfully) on his iPad, but tablets are mostly toys.


You obviously haven't been paying attention to what's been going on with tablets, have you? Scroll up and you'll see a couple of examples that I posted of hybrids that have recently been released. They're full fledged laptops that can be folded up to be a tablet.

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.
 
2013-01-20 07:29:24 PM

Rent Party: I love my farking Surface. You can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Surface in real life, just two days ago.

Me: End of day, playing solitare. Up walks Highly Respected Coworker.

HRC: What's happenin'

Me: Nothing much. Hey, you have a minute, I want to walk you through a business plan I'm cooking up.

HRC: Sure.

Me: Flips to PowerPoint, opens presentation stored on DropBox, walks through presentation.

HRC: That's a good idea, where did your revenue and cost figures come from?

Me: Flips to Excel, opens up financing spreadsheets also on DropBox, walks HRC through the numbers.

HRC: That makes sense, give me a call next week and we can do some more work ont it.

Me: No problems. Thanks for the ear. Goes back to playing solitaire.

I like the Surface because I can Angry Bird as much as I want, and still do real work.


So just like an iPad then?

/do they know you are saving financial information on an insecure cloud service?
 
2013-01-20 07:30:27 PM

farkeruk: For everyone else, they mostly use the tablet as a toy/leisure device and Android and Apple both have better offerings than what Microsoft have.


That's the market they're trying to get into.

The thinking is, they'll force Metro (Win8) onto the PC market, say, "they'll get used to it",  then hope when it's time to buy their next tablet/phone, they'll buy Windows, because they're already used to the interface, and it'll work with their computer.

Profit????
 
2013-01-20 07:31:58 PM
I tried bigass touchscreen Windows in the mall today. The rep asked if I had any questions and basically it was "how the hell does this work" instead of, say, "what problem does this solve" which would probably be less welcome.

So there's a 27" widescreen monitor and a bunch of icons. It's a touchscreen, but there's a mouse and keyboard available. I poke Maps and goof around, find the Smithsonian by pinch-zooming in a few seconds. Cool. Um. How do I get out? There are three little dots on the bottom left, like in Android ICS. Ugh. Maybe this one's Back. Oh wait, that doesn't do anything. Next one. That's the volume control. What?

I give up, go back to the keyboard. Esc? No. Windows key. Aha! I'm on the desktop again. After a few more failures, another rep appears to answer questions.

Turns out I can close a program by slicing it in half.... like Fruit Ninja. What? I can also switch programs by sliding from left edge to right, and I can drag a drawer of open programs out from the side of the screen.

1. None of this is obvious. I'm 28 and I couldn't figure this out. I tried out the new gestures and I sucked at them. Couldn't remember or couldn't use correctly. Could someone over 60?
2. None of this makes sense. Pinch-to-zoom has no real-world analogue, but it's intuitive. Slice-to-close is just weird.
3. Removing the chrome - the interface frame that lets you manipulate the program - is crazy. On a 22" screen there's plenty of room for close buttons, back buttons and taskbars, and no real need for gestures.
4. Who is this for? A large touch screen solves the "R&D made this large touch screen" problem, not anything in real life. It's not large enough to be shared (teaching, presentations), and not small enough to be personal.
5. This nonsensical device that fixes no problems and appeals to no one will probably be adopted by half the country in five years like ipad and I'll eat my words.
 
2013-01-20 07:33:54 PM

gingerjet: East Avenue Arse: LasersHurt: East Avenue Arse: You know what would be really nice? Some kind of "window" that could be resized to whatever percent I wanted, both horizontally and vertically. Maybe one day, we will have that technology.

Desktop windows still exist, do that if you want to. Nothing stopping you. I have an entire monitor devoted to assorted small windows.

Serious question: is there anything you can do in Win8 that you could not have done in Win7?

One of the big reasons I haven't switched is that I need to be productive at work every day. Losing a day or two (or even an hour or two) to getting all of this reorganized and figured out really isn't an option. I could sell it, if I had something new that would make my life easier and make me more productive, but I haven't seen that "killer app" yet. So, what is it?

No. I'm actually reinstalling Windows 7 tomorrow over Windows 8. "metro" (or whatever it's called this week) just gets in the way.


Give Classic Shell a try first. It's great, and does exactly what it says. Having gone from XP to 8 it's a doddle. The advantages of 8 are still there, things like Restore, backup, remote desktop etc.
 
2013-01-20 07:36:59 PM

Popcorn Johnny: farkeruk: Tablets are toys. OK, there's that guy that writes javascript on his, and I've seen a guy on a train preparing a presentation (painfully) on his iPad, but tablets are mostly toys.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what's been going on with tablets, have you? Scroll up and you'll see a couple of examples that I posted of hybrids that have recently been released. They're full fledged laptops that can be folded up to be a tablet.

I'll even bet that in a year or two, desk top monitors will be detachable from a dock so you can use them as a tablet.


So, what's the benefit to me of a hybrid? The device comes with a keyboard, a fast, reliable input device. When would I be using the slow, unreliable touchscreen?
 
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