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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-20 07:25:02 AM  
Well, they are just another Christian denomination.  Satan is a Christian god.
 
2013-01-20 07:38:20 AM  

vpb: Well, they are just another Christian denomination.  Satan is a Christian god.


If you're indirectly asking a theology question, that depends on the branch of Satanism you're talking about. Some of them are more "Ethical Hedonism: Judaeo-Christian Edition" and don't actually have a deity as such. Others do specifically worship Satan the Christian mythological figure.

They are all based on a reaction to Christianity pretty much exclusively, but in all fairness the same can be said of Wicca and the Western version of Buddhism, so that's pretty general.
 
2013-01-20 07:41:03 AM  
In high school, whenever any decision - no matter how big or small - was left up to a student vote, the result ended up being incredibly stupid and unpopular with everyone.

My high school class shirts were pink one year because enough people thought it would be funny. No one bought one, and the school a actually LOST MONEY on the whole deal. That was what ended democracy.

This will fare about as well.

//Also, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes are a bunch of uptight nazi dickwads that ruin everything.
 
2013-01-20 07:50:01 AM  
Well the Estanlishment Clause to the US constitution prohibits bills like this from being enforced. Next they'll pass laws leaving ID/Creationism "up to students" and schools will conveniently have two separate books for kids to choose
 
2013-01-20 07:51:52 AM  

ModernLuddite: In high school, whenever any decision - no matter how big or small - was left up to a student vote, the result ended up being incredibly stupid and unpopular with everyone.

My high school class shirts were pink one year because enough people thought it would be funny. No one bought one, and the school a actually LOST MONEY on the whole deal. That was what ended democracy.

This will fare about as well.

//Also, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes are a bunch of uptight nazi dickwads that ruin everything.


This can't be stated enough. I was actually approached and asked if I would be willing to lead a group, since I coached and was working as a youth pastor at the time. I turned them down. They require their leaders to sign an anti-gay statement, something along the lines of 'I believe homosexuality to be a sin.' Nazi d-wads indeed.
 
2013-01-20 07:53:43 AM  
K, first of all, let's get this out of the way. This Satanist church is apparently the church of "good" Satan. But even if they worshiped the evil version, they could work for a hundred years and not do the damage to our society that mainstream religions do in a few months.

Now that that is handled, Florida's new bill appears to be an obvious attempt to get religion into schools by saying the state has nothing to do with it, it's all the kids' decision. This of course remains nonsense, and won't hold up in court. Religion at official functions of a publicly funded school remains religion at official functions of a publicly funded school, regardless of who makes the decision.
 
2013-01-20 07:57:23 AM  
They're going to South Beach or Key West for this right?

It would be a waste of a nice trip if they just went to Tallahassee just to troll the Governor. Although that does sound pretty fun, even Asif Mandvi did that on the Daily Show.
 
2013-01-20 08:04:43 AM  
hee hee hee hee hoo hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha
 
2013-01-20 08:04:46 AM  
The bill prohibits school officials from participating in or influencing whether an inspirational message will be delivered.

How would that work?
Student Council President: Principle Smothers, the students have voted to say a prayer before the big game against Denver Friday night.
Principle: I am not allowed by law to say you can or cannot do this thing. If you should, try not to get run over by the football team when they go through the giant poster.
 
2013-01-20 08:06:31 AM  
Emposter:
Religion at official functions of a publicly funded school remains religion at official functions of a publicly funded school, regardless of who makes the decision.

Bingo. Because as we've seen, the 80% of Evangelical kids at some redneck football-obsessed high school will happily shiat all over the other 10% of Jewish, atheist, Muslim, JW, Quaker, etc. kids, the second they think they will have official approval to do it.
 
2013-01-20 08:16:52 AM  
If I was in High School still, I'd probably ignore the prayer just like I ignored all of those "Prayer Around the Flagpole" events the FCA always put on.

I'm Catholic, but I have a low tolerance for bullshiat like this.
 
2013-01-20 08:17:09 AM  
In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.
 
2013-01-20 08:31:50 AM  
So will we also tell the students to decide for themselves on abstinence vs. birth control?
 
2013-01-20 08:45:20 AM  
If school is a democracy then I guess any day now students will be allowed to vote on if they are going to school or staying home.
 
2013-01-20 08:51:23 AM  
If the school put major decisions in the hands of the students, then they deserve whatever they get. That is all.
 
2013-01-20 08:58:28 AM  
Apparently the "group" are actors, hired for a mockumentary.
 
2013-01-20 09:02:45 AM  
I would have voted in algebra class for (X+Y)=Z, where X is me, Y is my teacher Mrs. Nelson, and Z is all sticky at the end.
 
2013-01-20 09:14:25 AM  
Oh sure, only let in Christian devil worshipers.
 
2013-01-20 09:23:22 AM  

randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.



Did you forget you were logged onto your alt account? This is waaaaaaaaaay too rational coming from you.
 
2013-01-20 09:23:49 AM  

randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.


I... I agree with this post.

I will now go lie down for a while.
 
2013-01-20 09:31:59 AM  
As a Christian, I too agree with randomjism. In the politics tab. On Fark. I'm feeling dizzy...
 
2013-01-20 09:44:36 AM  
 
2013-01-20 09:46:09 AM  

randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.


Well said.
 
2013-01-20 09:48:28 AM  

amiable: randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.


Did you forget you were logged onto your alt account? This is waaaaaaaaaay too rational coming from you.


Nah, he's been outspoken about his militant Atheism for a while now.
 
2013-01-20 09:53:41 AM  
There's nothing like a good ol' Satanist/Muslim/Jewish/Pagan/FSM/Church of the Sub-genius insertion into practices meant to increase evangelical Christian involvement in schools that shakes fundies to the core.

See also: Muslim charter schools in Louisiana.
 
2013-01-20 10:06:05 AM  
Great idea!  Hell on wheels, let's put them kids in charge of FDA standards!
 
2013-01-20 10:10:19 AM  
On the one hand, you have the guy that murders innocent people by flood and orbital strike, or by sending his pet assasin to murder them. The guy that sent his own son to earth to be tortured just for laughs.

On the other hand, you have the one angel that had the courage to stand up to him.

if you had to believe in god, seems the right thinking people would be on Satan's side.
 
2013-01-20 10:14:22 AM  
Someone needs to make Florida students aware of Discordianism, as well as Wicca, particularly its sky clad rituals.
 
2013-01-20 10:20:47 AM  

Mayhem_2006: if you had to believe in god, seems the right thinking people would be on Satan's side.


My take:

God creates his own personal petting zoo, including man. Satan sees the potential in man and thinks it's a shame to let it go to waste. Does something about it. God finds out and goes apeshiat.
Yeah, I'm inclined to think Satan is more on our side than God ever was.

/not that I believe in either
 
2013-01-20 10:29:18 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Mayhem_2006: if you had to believe in god, seems the right thinking people would be on Satan's side.

My take:

God creates his own personal petting zoo, including man. Satan sees the potential in man and thinks it's a shame to let it go to waste. Does something about it. God finds out and goes apeshiat.
Yeah, I'm inclined to think Satan is more on our side than God ever was.

/not that I believe in either


That would actually make sense, given the origins of Yahweh. He was part of a lesser known pantheon of gods, and outside of the whole Judeo-Christian-Islamic thing, not well regarded.
 
2013-01-20 10:29:42 AM  
Way to go Satanic Temple

motores.com.py

And what the head of the Satanic Temple looks like:

mymorningjoe.com
 
2013-01-20 10:31:38 AM  

LectertheChef: Someone needs to make Florida students aware of Discordianism, as well as Wicca, particularly its sky clad rituals.


As a Discordian, I approve of this message. Hail Eris and her only son, Emperor Norton! Five tons of flax. (Mixed with five tons of anal lube for special occasions)

/Not often I get to do the Harpy Hustle.
 
2013-01-20 10:33:05 AM  
home.comcast.net

HECUBUS! WHY ARE WE IN TALLAHASSEE?  I SAID MIAMI!   oh.. I see.   EEEEEEEEVIL
 
2013-01-20 10:37:52 AM  

Jim_Callahan: They are all based on a reaction to Christianity pretty much exclusively, but in all fairness the same can be said of Wicca and the Western version of Buddhism, so that's pretty general.

www.ashgate.com upload.wikimedia.org i.imgur.com


No. They are not. Various versions of Satanism have varying degrees of relationship to Christianity. But Gerald Gardner did not go around creating a religion just to piss off Christians. Buddhism came to the west partially because companies hired a helluva lot of Chinese and Japanese people to come build infrastructure and natural resource management on the East Coast, and Western intellectuals were attracted to Buddhist and Hindu texts out of an interest in Transcendentalism and Deism.

 
2013-01-20 10:42:23 AM  
I particularly love the Satanic Temple's merchandise shop.

i.imgur.com

They have the gall to sell Aleister Crowley wall clocks. If I could biatchslap them through the internet, I would.
 
2013-01-20 10:48:16 AM  

Somacandra: I particularly love the Satanic Temple's merchandise shop.

[i.imgur.com image 460x460]

They have the gall to sell Aleister Crowley wall clocks. If I could biatchslap them through the internet, I would.


I just want to shake the hand of whoever wrote those descriptions. That's hilarious.
 
2013-01-20 10:50:27 AM  
Ever notice how in the Bible it never states what, exactly, Satan does that is evil but goes on and on about all the evil God will do if you follow him?
 
2013-01-20 10:57:00 AM  

INeedAName: I turned them down. They require their leaders to sign an anti-gay statement, something along the lines of 'I believe homosexuality to be a sin.' Nazi d-wads indeed.


Aren't student athletes by nature a group of young, physically fit individuals with sex hormones going off the charts who get all hot and sweaty in close physical contact with one another, then take showers together and spend lonely nights in motel rooms on road trips?

Do they really think there is no homosexual conduct going on there?
 
2013-01-20 10:58:06 AM  

Kibbler: So will we also tell the students to decide for themselves on abstinence vs. birth control?


Yes. Absolutely. Give them the information on both, and let them decide for themselves.
 
2013-01-20 11:07:15 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Ever notice how in the Bible it never states what, exactly, Satan does that is evil but goes on and on about all the evil God will do if you follow him?


If God Satan did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.

FTFVoltaire

Satan makes God "good", as God's actions in the Old Testament sure as hell don't. Look at the Abraham / Isaac story. I mean, I'm supposed to follow a god who would order a man to sacrifice his only son? Seriously? I would have to tell this God fellow if he wants my son dead, he can damn well do it himself. I'm not going to commit an evil act like that at the behest of a god, and I'm going to do whatever I can to protect my son, even if God is threatening me with death or torture or whatever. Abraham was a gimp for not telling God to go f*ck himself.

It's only when you add "other gods" like the people in other countries destroyed by Israelites that God starts to be "good", but only in comparison. The stories of "Satan" in the Bible, and the works of Donne and Milton that are so reflected in artwork and culture that they might as well be canon, have made God "good". He was an evil and vindictive SOB in the Old Testament.
 
2013-01-20 11:11:59 AM  

Somacandra: Gerald Gardner did not go around creating a religion just to piss off Christians.


Well, also to formalize and thus make money off of some of the naturalist/spiritualist philosophies of the late 1800s. But pissing off the Christians was a big part of it, and almost the sole recruiting tool of the religion for large portions of its history. I mean, that doesn't necessarily make it a bad religion or anything, but it's pretty explicitly a reaction to/descendant of Christianity.

Buddhism's a little more arguable, I guess.
 
2013-01-20 11:12:14 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Yes. Absolutely. Give them the information on both, and let them decide for themselves.


0.tqn.com

 
2013-01-20 11:14:19 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Kibbler: So will we also tell the students to decide for themselves on abstinence vs. birth control?

Yes. Absolutely. Give them the information on both, and let them decide for themselves.


Visual demonstrations.

www.rockymusic.org
 
2013-01-20 11:14:45 AM  

Somacandra: They have the gall to sell Aleister Crowley wall clocks.


Please educate me as to the reason this is an abomination. It looks like something I would hang on my wall for purely aesthetic reasons based on artistic merits, rather than attempting to make a statement. Would it make a statement I don't want to make? Why is selling this clock worthy of an Internet b*tch slap?
 
2013-01-20 11:27:23 AM  

ox45tallboy: HeartBurnKid: Yes. Absolutely. Give them the information on both, and let them decide for themselves.

[0.tqn.com image 500x700]


Do you not see how sex ed is different from all of those things?
 
2013-01-20 11:31:13 AM  

randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.


I ... I'm ... Wha.. I'm going back to bed, because I think I'm dreaming. *looks down to see if wearing pants*
 
2013-01-20 11:31:44 AM  

amiable: randomjsa: In spite of what the religious whiners will tell you about how many people believe in god, or are christian, or any other religion they just don't get it.

The Bill of Rights was extensively designed to prohibit a tyranny of the majority. If there are 299 million Christians, and 1 million Atheists... The 299 million Christians can suck it, because the Constitution is not on their side.

The establishment clause is not up for a popular vote.


Did you forget you were logged onto your alt account? This is waaaaaaaaaay too rational coming from you.


While I don't agree with randomjsa 90% of the time, he has been known to post pretty rational things about the role of religion in the US.
 
2013-01-20 11:37:28 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Somacandra: I particularly love the Satanic Temple's merchandise shop.

[i.imgur.com image 460x460]

They have the gall to sell Aleister Crowley wall clocks. If I could biatchslap them through the internet, I would.

I just want to shake the hand of whoever wrote those descriptions. That's hilarious.


They need to update the 'HAIL SATAN' hoodie to an 'I
 
2013-01-20 11:39:25 AM  
Students are already allowed to pray in schools. They always could and nobody has any plans to stop them.

Let me repeat: It is already permissible for students to pray in public schools. What you cannot have is prayer led by the school. If you've successfully brainwashed your little snowflake such that they feel compelled to rub their face on the floor in reverence to their imaginary sky-friend twelve times a day that's perfectly fine - they can asked to be excused and go someplace private to do that so they don't interrupt the class.

As long as the teachers or other school officials aren't leading the class in a prayer as a group activity then it's perfectly fine.
=Smidge=
 
2013-01-20 11:41:20 AM  

ModernLuddite: In high school, whenever any decision - no matter how big or small - was left up to a student vote, the result ended up being incredibly stupid and unpopular with everyone.

My high school class shirts were pink one year because enough people thought it would be funny. No one bought one, and the school a actually LOST MONEY on the whole deal. That was what ended democracy.

This will fare about as well.

//Also, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes are a bunch of uptight nazi dickwads that ruin everything.


Your high school should've been introduced to instant runoff voting.
 
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