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2013-01-20 12:17:14 AM
At this point, I think the gun show loophole has a real shot at getting closed.  As long as the Democrats don't stack a bill with a bunch of other unpopular proposals, it should be relatively easy to make the Republicans look ridiculous if they don't pass it.
 
2013-01-20 12:18:57 AM
Remember farkers... "gun nut"... "small penis"... "Rambo fantasy"...

These things you say... they make Bill Clinton sad.
 
2013-01-20 12:24:55 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Remember farkers... "gun nut"... "small penis"... "Rambo fantasy"...

These things you say... they make Bill Clinton sad.


And?  Nobody declared that Clinton was right about everything.  And if "gun culture" means kids getting killed for supposed freedoms, fark gun culture.
 
2013-01-20 12:58:34 AM
Let me quote Lynrd Skynrd


Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

Its a Saturday night special
Got a barrel that's blue and cold
Ain't no good for nothin'
But put a man six feet in a hole
 
2013-01-20 01:06:44 AM

www.smbc-comics.com
 
2013-01-20 01:13:54 AM
Folks might want to listen to the Big Dog on this one.

Conflating the Idiot Brigade with all gun owners is a mistake. It can only alienate a chunk of folks, and at this point, it is a good way to send them into the arms of the Idiot Brigade, and the folks who really want to continue using them...
 
2013-01-20 01:27:14 AM
Another reason why I still like Bill Clinton.
 
2013-01-20 01:29:36 AM
Can we ban gun threads?
 
2013-01-20 01:30:00 AM

vernonFL: Let me quote Lynrd Skynrd


Hand guns are made for killin'
Ain't no good for nothin' else


Same with airplanes, I guess.
 
2013-01-20 01:37:51 AM

Lsherm: gun show loophole


The term "gun show loophole" demonstrates a lack of understanding of gun laws and is an emotionally loaded propaganda term, made to make private sales seem criminal and secretive, when in fact non-FFLs are legally not permitted to access the NICS. There is no loophole, the law was never intended for private sales.

/supports expanding the NICS
 
2013-01-20 01:37:52 AM

vernonFL: Let me quote Lynrd Skynrd



"God & Guns"

Last night I heard this politician
Talking 'bout his brand new mission
Liked his plans, but they came undone when he got around with God and guns

I don't know how he grew up
But it sure wasn't down at the hunting club
Cause if it was he'd understand a little bit more about the working man

God and guns
Keep us strong
That's what this country
Was founded on
Well we might aswell give up and run
If we let them take our God and guns

I'm here in my back of the woods
Where God is great and guns are good
You really can't know that much about 'm
If you think we're better off without 'm

Well there was a time we ain't forgot
You caressed all night with the doors unlocked
But there ain't nobody save no more
So you say your prayers and you thank the lord

For that peace maker
And the joy

God and guns (God and guns)
Keep us strong
That's what this country, lord
Was founded on
Well we might aswell give up and run,
If we let 'm take our God and guns.
Yea we might aswell give up and run,
If we let 'm take our God and guns!

Yeaaa
Ooh
God and guns

Don't let 'm take
Don't you let 'm take
Don't let 'm take
Our God and guns

Oh God and guns
Ye keep us strong
That's what this country, lord
Was founded on
Well we might aswell give up and run,
If we let 'm take our God and guns!

Wohoho
God and guns
Wohohoo
Ooh
 
2013-01-20 01:39:15 AM
Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.
 
2013-01-20 01:41:40 AM

violentsalvation: Same with airplanes, I guess.


No, airplanes are made for transporting people from one place to another.

Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into  the body of another person in order to incapacitate or kill them.
 
2013-01-20 01:42:28 AM

vernonFL: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person in order to incapacitate or kill them.


FOUL! Jumping to conclusions. 5 yard penalty, lose the down.
 
2013-01-20 01:45:56 AM

GAT_00: Nobody declared that Clinton was right about everything.


Well.  I thought Monica was kinda hot.
 
2013-01-20 01:48:04 AM

doglover: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person living being in order to incapacitate or kill them.


Does that work for you?
 
2013-01-20 01:48:57 AM

vernonFL: violentsalvation: Same with airplanes, I guess.

No, airplanes are made for transporting people from one place to another.

Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into  the body of another person in order to incapacitate or kill them.


No, guns are made for moving a small projectile from the barrel to ______________.
 
2013-01-20 01:58:31 AM

doglover: vernonFL: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person in order to incapacitate or kill them.

FOUL! Jumping to conclusions. 5 yard penalty, lose the down.


Okay, you're right. . Obama is not going to take away your Benelli. Every time I've been to a gun range, most of the people there are either current or former law enforcement or military.

48 year old Marines who like to shoot on the weekends are not having their guns taken away.

LOL Sorry I m drunk,
 
2013-01-20 01:59:18 AM
ORLY Slick Willy?  Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.
 
2013-01-20 02:00:38 AM
Guns are designed to launch a projectile in a straight line, that when paired with the pull of gravity, forms a parabolic arc-shaped path. It has no conscience or discretion, it is a tool. When the individual refuses to apply discretion, the state will do it for him.

You were warned, Teatards.
 
2013-01-20 02:02:10 AM

doglover: Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.


What's an ass-nickle?
 
2013-01-20 02:05:25 AM

Babwa Wawa: doglover: Guns are made for moving a small projectile very quickly into the body of another person living being in order to incapacitate or kill them.

Does that work for you?


No.

I've never shot a living creature. They're not just for killing.

Target shooting is a thing in and of itself, and more than enough fun to justify legal firearms. Also, do you think Marine Sniper Scouts just magically train up in six weeks of basic? You want good soldiers, you kids growing up shooting. On top of that hunting is a good way to manage game levels now that apex predators are mostly dead in the wild. Self defense is an added bonus, but unless you're a cop or a gangster, the chances of it actually happening for you are nil. But the one time you need a gun, if it ever happens, you'll be glad you had it or sorry you didn't.
 
2013-01-20 02:06:47 AM

fusillade762: doglover: Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.

What's an ass-nickle?



They're like ass-pennies.....but you know.....they're worth more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1Q7F23DxM
 
2013-01-20 02:07:01 AM

fusillade762: doglover: Saturday Night Special is not an anti gun song. It's an anti cheap ass-nickle plated knock off guns song.

What's an ass-nickle?


I'm preemptively cock-blocking people who read a certain web comic from re-hyphenating.
 
2013-01-20 02:25:02 AM

The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy?  Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.


He knows as good as anyone how that crap swayed the midterms. He knows it was a useless law, and it cost them a bunch of (D) seats.

And people will post some Washington Post opinion piece about how that isn't a concern anymore.. Uh huh. Wait and see, you're giving the GOP CPR with every gun control speech.
 
2013-01-20 02:28:04 AM

hubiestubert: Folks might want to listen to the Big Dog on this one.

Conflating the Idiot Brigade with all gun owners is a mistake. It can only alienate a chunk of folks, and at this point, it is a good way to send them into the arms of the Idiot Brigade, and the folks who really want to continue using them...


I've been assured over and over again that the NRA does not speak for Real Gun Owners. If that is true, then they will do no such thing. If they flee to the NRA, they're only proving that they've been lying this whole time.

If they really cared about solutions, they'd form a new voice to shout down the NRA. I see no such thing happening. And so, the NRA is already speaking for them. They are the pro-gun voice. If they don't like that, that's their problem, not mine. If they didn't want the NRA speaking for them they'd do something.
 
2013-01-20 02:29:14 AM

violentsalvation: The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy?  Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.

He knows as good as anyone how that crap swayed the midterms. He knows it was a useless law, and it cost them a bunch of (D) seats.

And people will post some Washington Post opinion piece about how that isn't a concern anymore.. Uh huh. Wait and see, you're giving the GOP CPR with every gun control speech.


This is the big thing for me. I HATE the GOP as a rule, but it I will have to vote Republican to keep guns around (and no bolt action .22 long rifles with 5 round magazines aren't the guns I'm talking about) I'll do it. The Democrats only get my vote because they've had slightly better policies for me thus far. This is rapidly becoming not the case.
 
2013-01-20 02:31:59 AM
I think it's wrong to trivialize mental illness.
 
2013-01-20 02:37:11 AM

doglover: violentsalvation: The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy?  Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.

He knows as good as anyone how that crap swayed the midterms. He knows it was a useless law, and it cost them a bunch of (D) seats.

And people will post some Washington Post opinion piece about how that isn't a concern anymore.. Uh huh. Wait and see, you're giving the GOP CPR with every gun control speech.

This is the big thing for me. I HATE the GOP as a rule, but it I will have to vote Republican to keep guns around (and no bolt action .22 long rifles with 5 round magazines aren't the guns I'm talking about) I'll do it. The Democrats only get my vote because they've had slightly better policies for me thus far. This is rapidly becoming not the case.


You are an example of President Clinton's point.
 
2013-01-20 02:48:04 AM

violentsalvation: doglover: violentsalvation: The_Sponge: ORLY Slick Willy?  Then maybe you should not have signed that stupid "assault weapons" ban into law back in 1994.

He knows as good as anyone how that crap swayed the midterms. He knows it was a useless law, and it cost them a bunch of (D) seats.

And people will post some Washington Post opinion piece about how that isn't a concern anymore.. Uh huh. Wait and see, you're giving the GOP CPR with every gun control speech.

This is the big thing for me. I HATE the GOP as a rule, but it I will have to vote Republican to keep guns around (and no bolt action .22 long rifles with 5 round magazines aren't the guns I'm talking about) I'll do it. The Democrats only get my vote because they've had slightly better policies for me thus far. This is rapidly becoming not the case.

You are an example of President Clinton's point.


I know it. I'd vote for him again in a heartbeat. He's the best president we've had since Roosevelt. (Hint: Not Franklin.) What we really need is a modern Andrew Jackson. A man who's not afraid to cane his political opponents or share giant cheeses with the masses.
 
2013-01-20 02:55:38 AM

GAT_00: hubiestubert: Folks might want to listen to the Big Dog on this one.

Conflating the Idiot Brigade with all gun owners is a mistake. It can only alienate a chunk of folks, and at this point, it is a good way to send them into the arms of the Idiot Brigade, and the folks who really want to continue using them...

I've been assured over and over again that the NRA does not speak for Real Gun Owners. If that is true, then they will do no such thing. If they flee to the NRA, they're only proving that they've been lying this whole time.

If they really cared about solutions, they'd form a new voice to shout down the NRA. I see no such thing happening. And so, the NRA is already speaking for them. They are the pro-gun voice. If they don't like that, that's their problem, not mine. If they didn't want the NRA speaking for them they'd do something.


Like not joining the NRA?  I'm a gun owner and not a member of the NRA. So even though I have never supported them I do by not be a vocal dissenter to their advocacy? Or is everyone guilty of whatever agenda a certain advocacy group is pushing if they fit in that category? Does the AARP speak for my Mom automatically even though she hasn't joined the group but she is old?  Does the NAACP speak for my roommate even though he isn't a member but he is black? And if they disagree with them on anything it doesn't matter unless they form a new voice to shout them down? How about Catholics? Or Muslims? Or Environmentalists?
 
2013-01-20 03:38:11 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: I think it's wrong to trivialize mental illness.


Good.  Now how does that apply to the issue at hand?
 
2013-01-20 03:51:54 AM
Democrats probably have support for closing the gun show loophole and MAYBE a new AWB. Anything else would put some Democratic seats back into GOP hands, sadly.
 
2013-01-20 04:16:45 AM
Bill Clinton to Democrats: Don't trivialize gun culture

Yeah, that's Ted's job!
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2013-01-20 05:46:38 AM
No, it's too deadly to trivialize.
 
2013-01-20 05:47:06 AM

hubiestubert: Folks might want to listen to the Big Dog on this one.

Conflating the Idiot Brigade with all gun owners is a mistake. It can only alienate a chunk of folks, and at this point, it is a good way to send them into the arms of the Idiot Brigade, and the folks who really want to continue using them...


But when did anyone ever listen to common sense and rational thinking? Especially around here?
 
2013-01-20 05:53:19 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Guns are designed to launch a projectile in a straight line, that when paired with the pull of gravity, forms a parabolic arc-shaped path. It has no conscience or discretion, it is a tool. When the individual refuses to apply discretion, the state will do it for him.

You were warned, Teatards.


Why won't the government give me my constitutional right to own a trebuchet in my backyard?
 
2013-01-20 05:54:05 AM
It would be nice if the gun enthusiasts could involvethemselves in the process of crafting new legislation that would be genuinely effective and yet still palatable. Or they could just screech "second amendment!" and get what they're given.
 
2013-01-20 05:55:20 AM

Wyalt Derp: It would be nice if the gun enthusiasts could involvethemselves in the process of crafting new legislation that would be genuinely effective and yet still palatable. Or they could just screech "second amendment!" and get what they're given.


See my post to hubiestubert, above.
 
2013-01-20 05:57:18 AM
First I hear "Don't demonize guns. A gun is just a tool like any other."
Then I hear "Don't trivialize gun culture."

Why is there no circle saw culture?
 
2013-01-20 06:00:10 AM
The likelihood of you needing a gun goes up in proportion to your stupidity and criminal activity, neither ends well.
 
2013-01-20 06:01:30 AM
There's also something to be said about the way public opinion polls ask questions: I'd be surprised if a poll that asked something like "do you support a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines like those used in The Newtown shooting?" got less than the majority of people saying "yes, they should be banned".

But, if the question were asked like "do you support banning the most common types of civilian firearms, even if they're used in only 0.6% of gun-related homicides and this rate has been decreasing for years?", I think the answer would be different.

It's not uncommon for non-gun-owners (and even some gun owners) to think "assault weapons" = "machine guns" when this isn't the case at all. There's a lot of misconceptions about such guns.
 
2013-01-20 06:04:00 AM

hubiestubert: Folks might want to listen to the Big Dog on this one.

Conflating the Idiot Brigade with all gun owners is a mistake. It can only alienate a chunk of folks, and at this point, it is a good way to send them into the arms of the Idiot Brigade, and the folks who really want to continue using them...


Maybe the wrong people are arguing for the gun enthusiasts' cause. Alex Jones was not a stellar example in terms of PR and the NRA is now widely regarded as a lobbyist group for the arms industry, therefore lacking credibility. The other quarters are SHTF survivalists - who are making a poor risk assessment of the remote possibility of dangers that might exist in the future compared to the very real dangers that exist for many Americans today - and people who actually are hoping for the collapse of the government because they don't like it very much.

Let's hear from the sportsmen, the hunters, the collectors and those concerned about home security. Let them make their case. And yes, the libertarians too, although even many of them acknowledge there are limits to freedoms articulated in the Bill of Rights, e.g. yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is not free speech (unless there actually is one).
 
2013-01-20 06:08:22 AM
The Democrats ought to feel blessed they still have Clinton around to give perspective on voters they think of as rubes and morons. Well, Clinton knows how to get the votes of those rubes and morons, so you might want to pay attention.
 
2013-01-20 06:13:12 AM

thisispete: Alex Jones was not a stellar example in terms of PR


which is the reason they decided to interview him about it. They knew it would be a circus full of crazy, and it was.

thisispete: Let's hear from the sportsmen, the hunters, the collectors and those concerned about home security. Let them make their case.


I tried. No one cares to listen.
 
2013-01-20 06:14:20 AM
thisispete,
Let's hear from the sportsmen, the hunters, the collectors and those concerned about home security. Let them make their case. And yes, the libertarians too, although even many of them acknowledge there are limits to freedoms articulated in the Bill of Rights, e.g. yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is not free speech (unless there actually is one).


And why a moderate alternative to the NRA that will exist as a weeping willow to the NRA's unbending oak or maple after 21 pre-school kids were murdered by some autistic asshole with a scary looking ar15.

I do believe gun rights need to be protected, but that last shooting just changed the game.
 
2013-01-20 06:16:19 AM
"Gun culture" is a pretty depressing term.
 
2013-01-20 06:18:21 AM

Hetfield: "Gun culture" is a pretty depressing term.


it's slightly better than "cracker culture".
 
2013-01-20 06:19:21 AM
Please Chimpbama, repass the "assault" weapons because it did absolutely nothing the first time around, would have done nothing at Springhook and won't do anything this time but give us the senate back. Or in Brer Rabbit tar baby terms you may be familiar with, "Please don't throw us in that briar patch!"
 
2013-01-20 06:20:29 AM
And let's consider basic psych evaluations as a precondition.

It isn't perfect, but would screen out nutbags who clearly don't get empathy.

Link

Link

/Maybe include members of the family or household.
 
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