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(KMOV St. Louis)   Stan "The Man" Musial dead at age 92. Baseball legends trifecta in play   (kmov.com) divider line 117
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2013-01-19 08:28:56 PM  
Someone get Hank Aaron into a cryogenic freezing chamber STAT
 
2013-01-19 08:29:11 PM  
Don't take Vin! We're not ready to lose him yet!
 
2013-01-19 08:29:17 PM  
The best hitter this side of Ted Williams.
 
2013-01-19 08:29:36 PM  
Also, RIP baseball player man, you helped make the game great.
 
2013-01-19 08:30:49 PM  
RIP Stan "The Man"

/Cards fan :(
 
2013-01-19 08:31:28 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
RIP Cardinal Stan
 
2013-01-19 08:31:55 PM  
.. wtf he was alive this whole time? O_O
 
2013-01-19 08:33:25 PM  
RIP Mr. The Man
 
2013-01-19 08:34:44 PM  
Stan the Man. One of the best baseball players ever. Also one of the more under-rated.
 
2013-01-19 08:35:46 PM  
Honestly, I didn't realize he was still alive.  Caps off to you.
 
2013-01-19 08:36:58 PM  
A sad day for baseball.  Two great men for entirely different reasons.  Stan was well before my interest in baseball started but his impact was still being felt years later.

/this is one trifecta I'd rather not see filled...
 
2013-01-19 08:37:41 PM  
I had no idea he was still alive, well not now.
 
2013-01-19 08:38:42 PM  

browneye: Stan the Man. One of the best baseball players ever. Also one of the more under-rated.


Si, hell yeah, and "maybe among the common-tard-folk, but not among the beisbol intelligencia."

/though it'd be really nice if the common-tards would mention him more often, definitely
 
2013-01-19 08:41:17 PM  
One of the best ever. Rest in peace Mr. Musial.
 
2013-01-19 08:43:08 PM  
Thanks Brooklyn Dodger fans...."Here come that Man".....
 
2013-01-19 08:45:27 PM  
And he was *still* a St. Louis icon to this day, which says something both about him and about how seriously St. Louis takes its baseball.

As for the third... we've had a manager and a hitter. Sandy Koufax for the tri?
 
2013-01-19 08:46:46 PM  

JayCab: Sandy Koufax for the tri?


Stop that.
 
2013-01-19 08:47:39 PM  
I came to the sports tab to crow about the blues slapping the wings around and now I'm sad.
 
2013-01-19 08:48:39 PM  
www.entertainmentwallpaper.com

RIP
 
2013-01-19 08:51:49 PM  
i blame albert pujols. hes got something to do with this.
 
2013-01-19 08:51:57 PM  
Can somebody in Montclair go check on Yogi?
 
2013-01-19 08:52:55 PM  
1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.
 
2013-01-19 08:53:31 PM  
So, we lost both Stan the Man AND Earl Weaver today. Two greats both connected to my hometown Rochester Red Wings...

It's a sad day for baseball. BUT, let's all bear in mind that a game currently being played on a diamond in the middle of an Iowa cornfield just got infinitely more entertaining. I bet Earl is cursing out every member of the 1919 White Sox he can find.
 
2013-01-19 08:55:27 PM  

JayCab: As for the third... we've had a manager and a hitter. Sandy Koufax for the tri?


Manager, player, now umpire?  Or someone from a west coast team.
 
2013-01-19 08:55:51 PM  

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.


Well said.
 
2013-01-19 08:57:04 PM  

Pontious Pilates: So, we lost both Stan the Man AND Earl Weaver today. Two greats both connected to my hometown Rochester Red Wings...

It's a sad day for baseball. BUT, let's all bear in mind that a game currently being played on a diamond in the middle of an Iowa cornfield just got infinitely more entertaining. I bet Earl is cursing out every member of the 1919 White Sox he can find.


And Musial is going 2 for 5 w/2 RBI's and 2 runs scored.
 
2013-01-19 08:57:07 PM  
Baseball's perfect warrior, baseball's perfect knight.
 
2013-01-19 08:58:51 PM  

Pontious Pilates: It's a sad day for baseball. BUT, let's all bear in mind that a game currently being played on a diamond in the middle of an Iowa cornfield just got infinitely more entertaining. I bet Earl is cursing out every member of the 1919 White Sox he can find.


I find solace in that thought.

bronxbanter.arneson.name
Approves
 
2013-01-19 09:00:05 PM  
Some of the greats have been known by just their first name. Others by just their initials. But, there's only been one just known as The Man
 
2013-01-19 09:05:26 PM  
Wow, one of my dad's all time favorites I didn't know how good he was. 22 years and a .331 batting average is crazy.
 
2013-01-19 09:07:19 PM  

gameshowhost: browneye: Stan the Man. One of the best baseball players ever. Also one of the more under-rated.

Si, hell yeah, and "maybe among the common-tard-folk, but not among the beisbol intelligencia."

/though it'd be really nice if the common-tards would mention him more often, definitely


Yeah, I was gonna say.... Stan's well-known by anyone who can differentiate between their ass and an infield fly.

/Jays fan
/baseball fan first
 
2013-01-19 09:08:47 PM  
At least he got to fark Marilyn Monroe.
 
2013-01-19 09:08:54 PM  

dalbuc: Wow, one of my dad's all time favorites I didn't know how good he was. 22 years and a .331 batting average is crazy.


Yes.Even crazier he was 41 and batted.330.
 
2013-01-19 09:12:06 PM  
Name recognition isn't necessarily the same as being underrated. I agree that the guy doesn't get enough credit.

If Stan Musial played in New York, for the Yankees, he'd have been the Babe Ruth to Mickey Mantle's Lou Gehrig (personality traits aside). HE would have been the star.
 
2013-01-19 09:13:01 PM  
RIP
img3.findthebest.com
 
2013-01-19 09:13:26 PM  
RIP Stan the Man. Even Albert Pujols had to bow to his greatness by refusing the nickname "El Hombre" at the time Pujols said: "There's only one 'The Man'"
 
2013-01-19 09:14:58 PM  

Wolsey: RIP Stan the Man. Even Albert Pujols had to bow to his greatness by refusing the nickname "El Hombre" at the time Pujols said: "There's only one 'The Man'"


Can we start blaming Albert for this?

I mean, he leaves, and a year later Stan dies... coincidence?
 
2013-01-19 09:21:13 PM  
In the spring of 1940, he was a sore armed pitcher at one of the lowest levels of the minors - which in those days was LOW. By the end of September of 1941, he was beating the living crap out of National League pitching.

He got the name 'The Man', because he hit especially well in Brooklyn - his life BA at Ebbets was somewhere around <b>.400</b> - and a sportswriter kept hearing fans moan 'here comes that man again', whenever he came to bat.

He actually played sports in high school with Ken Griffey's father - of course, Jr's grandfather.

RIP Stan!
 
2013-01-19 09:21:25 PM  
Someone form a prayer circle around Yogi Berra like, right now.
 
2013-01-19 09:22:33 PM  
RIP

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-19 09:25:04 PM  
RIP
 
2013-01-19 09:31:38 PM  
Stan was indeed The Man. RIP and props from this Yankees fan.
 
2013-01-19 09:38:07 PM  

W.C.fields forever: dalbuc: Wow, one of my dad's all time favorites I didn't know how good he was. 22 years and a .331 batting average is crazy.

Yes.Even crazier he was 41 and batted.330.


He struck out 40 or more times in a season only 3 time... 2 of those seasons he were his last 2 at the ages of 41 and 42 respectively
 
2013-01-19 09:40:26 PM  
It goes to show you how beloved he is when a team with as much history as the Cardinals is calling him "the most beloved member of the Cardinals family" with no qualifications whatsoever.

Thank you Stan, for being such a great role model.  You will most definitely not be forgotten.
 
2013-01-19 09:53:11 PM  

JSam21: W.C.fields forever: dalbuc: Wow, one of my dad's all time favorites I didn't know how good he was. 22 years and a .331 batting average is crazy.

Yes.Even crazier he was 41 and batted.330.

He struck out 40 or more times in a season only 3 time... 2 of those seasons he were his last 2 at the ages of 41 and 42 respectively


I accidently funnied that replying.

My favorite stat is Joe D... He struck out 369 times and homered 361 times.
 
2013-01-19 09:59:46 PM  

Gulper Eel: Can somebody in Montclair go check on Yogi?


My best friend lives there. I'll drop him an email.
 
2013-01-19 10:05:08 PM  

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.


That's...farking amazing.
 
2013-01-19 10:29:57 PM  

John Buck 41: ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.

That's...farking amazing.


Up thread it was said he batted .331 in his rookie year.And I saw he he batted .330 at 42.
Career batting avg. .331

//The most consistent 'MAN' evah.
 
2013-01-19 10:41:40 PM  
As a Musial whose grandfather was from Donora, PA, I say RIP Stan.

Stan lived 2 doors down from my grandfather's family in Donora and was part of the same Polish Falcons Nest as the other Musials. He actually said that my great-uncle Frank was the greatest athlete he had ever seen.

/CSB
 
2013-01-19 10:49:14 PM  
Blues shut out the Wings at home with 6 goals.

Stan's smiling on this town tonight.

Enjoy the field of dreams, good sir. You will never be forgotten.
 
2013-01-19 11:06:35 PM  
my headline was better.
 
2013-01-19 11:07:31 PM  
One half tycoon, one half Ty Cobb
 
zez
2013-01-19 11:08:00 PM  
Trying to enjoy the Blues Stomping Detroit's ass 6-0 and all I hear is stuff about some guy who played baseball during sometime before the civil war.
 
2013-01-19 11:19:38 PM  
hilobrow.com

RIP STAN LAUREL
 
2013-01-19 11:25:51 PM  

MayoBoy: As a Musial whose grandfather was from Donora, PA, I say RIP Stan.

Stan lived 2 doors down from my grandfather's family in Donora and was part of the same Polish Falcons Nest as the other Musials. He actually said that my great-uncle Frank was the greatest athlete he had ever seen.

/CSB


I umpire high school softball here in  SE New York State, and I had a kid last year with the name Musial (and yes, she wore #6), so when I had her team a second time, I quietly asked the coach, and he acknowledged that she was related in some way..
 
2013-01-19 11:37:22 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

RIP Stan the caddy
 
2013-01-19 11:54:09 PM  
i1170.photobucket.com

Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight.

Taken by me, at Busch Stadium, June 5, 2010
 
2013-01-20 12:01:39 AM  
Sandy Koufax is sleeping with one eye open.
 
2013-01-20 12:04:58 AM  
One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.
 
2013-01-20 12:09:38 AM  
Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?
 
2013-01-20 12:34:28 AM  
Born in 1961.
My earliest memory is driving down to St. Louis from central Illinois in the summer of 1963.
My Dad took me to Sportsmans Park so I could get to see Musial play, in what was his final season.

/Thanks, Dad
//Thanks, Stan
///Go Cards
 
2013-01-20 12:37:44 AM  

W.C.fields forever: John Buck 41: ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.

That's...farking amazing.

Up thread it was said he batted .331 in his rookie year.And I saw he he batted .330 at 42.
Career batting avg. .331

//The most consistent 'MAN' evah.


7x league batting champ (only 3 have more)
3 World Series titles
3 League MVP (only person with three WS and MVP)
24x all-star (tie for second with Mays. Aaron has more)
4th most hits
5th most RBI
2nd most total bases (Aaron has more)

Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

Truly a legend.
 
2013-01-20 12:46:43 AM  

Outlaw2097: i blame albert pujols. hes got something to do with this.


Albert killed him. +1 to you for breaking this story. Do you work for Deadspin? *favorited*
 
2013-01-20 01:01:00 AM  
I fell asleep at 5PM shortly after I got home today. So when I woke up at 11PM to check the score of the Blues game and grab a quick bite to eat before going back to bed, imagine my shock and sadness when I heard Stan the Man died.

The guy was practically a God here in St. Louis even though he's been ill for quite a long time.

It's one of those deals where you knew he's been sick for quite a long time but it's still shocking to see them go.
 
2013-01-20 01:01:49 AM  

cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.


I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.
 
2013-01-20 01:02:42 AM  
As a crusty 50 year old lifetime resident of the St. Louis area and MAJOR Cardinals fan, it does my heart good to see all of the posts, mostly from non-St. Louisans, respecting The Man. I love you all. Not a single negative comment.

/Except for zez. I'm a Blues fan too, but really? Don't be a dick.
 
2013-01-20 01:04:32 AM  

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


Please, don't be a dick. He lost one of the prime years of his career serving in WWII.
 
2013-01-20 01:06:22 AM  

show me: Please, don't be a dick. He lost one of the prime years of his career serving in WWII.


...ok? Good for him?

Am I saying that Musial is bad? Nope.

Am I saying that Tim Kurkjian is a hack for using stupid cherry picked stats to try and put players in small meaningless groups? Yep.
 
2013-01-20 01:07:36 AM  
So, his new nickname is "Stan the corpse"?
 
2013-01-20 01:09:17 AM  

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.
 
2013-01-20 01:11:42 AM  

Uncle Pooky: I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness,


Again, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MUSIAL.

Unless, somehow, you think comparing him to Foxx & Pujols AS WELL as Ruth, Williams & Gehrig is an insult?
 
2013-01-20 01:17:59 AM  
So does this mean that Pujols will now allow himself to be nicknamed 'El Hombre'?

/'Tis a joke
//So long, Musial
 
2013-01-20 01:19:55 AM  

Uncle Pooky: DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.

I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.


yeah, I'm not seeing DeWayne Mann diminish baseball, but rather diminish ESPN. you really can't diminish in any way what Stan did on or off the field. like it's been said upthread, on the field consistency, off the field class and dignity. I can only wish more modern-day athletes could learn from his life in the public eye.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:47 AM  

SnatchMcGillicudy: Uncle Pooky: DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.

I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.

yeah, I'm not seeing DeWayne Mann diminish baseball, but rather diminish ESPN. you really can't diminish in any way what Stan did on or off the field. like it's been said upthread, on the field consistency, off the field class and dignity. I can only wish more modern-day athletes could learn from his life in the public eye.


To be 100% honest, if ANYTHING in that conversation was diminishing Stan, it was that stupid group. Note only did it ignore a rather sizable portion of his game (Musial is 3rd all-time in doubles, for instance), it's an intellectually dishonest tactic in general.

Check this out: There are 4 players with 595 2B, 60 3B & 350 HR.

The first three are Bonds, Aaron and Musial. All fantastic, outstanding players.

The fourth is Luis Gonzalez.

Of course, Luis barely fits in: he had 596 2B, 68 3Bs and 354 HR. But if I wanted to argue he was one of the best all around sluggers in history, isn't that a GREAT way to do it?

Now compare that group to the one from before. Who is the guy who just BARELY fit in, Gonzo-style?
 
2013-01-20 01:27:08 AM  

AntonSzandorLaVey: So, his new nickname is "Stan the corpse"?


F.U.
 
2013-01-20 01:46:16 AM  
I hate to tell you guys this, but the trifecta is most likely going to be completed by Eddie Robinson or Ralph Kiner.

Source: I'm the curator for a baseball museum.
 
2013-01-20 01:49:21 AM  
R.I.P. Stan "The Man".

CSB:  I briefly met him during an autograph signing back in 2006 or so.......still have that signed baseball.
 
2013-01-20 01:53:18 AM  
Just because I apparently love insulting random baseball players and am also bored, here's some other groups I've found:

.295 average & 590 SB:
Cobb
Wagner
Collins
Lofton
...Juan Pierre

175 3B, 300 SH:
Collins
Speaker
...Rabbit Maranville

2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina

I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.
 
2013-01-20 02:00:05 AM  
And the Blues beat Detroit 6-0.

/Coincidence?
 
2013-01-20 02:01:56 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Just because I apparently love insulting random baseball players and am also bored, here's some other groups I've found:

.295 average & 590 SB:
Cobb
Wagner
Collins
Lofton
...Juan Pierre

175 3B, 300 SH:
Collins
Speaker
...Rabbit Maranville

2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina

I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


What is LOFTON doing on that list? For shame...
 
2013-01-20 02:18:30 AM  

SnatchMcGillicudy: What is LOFTON doing on that list? For shame...


Being a borderline HOFer that stupidly got kicked off his first ballot. In other words, not much.

In fact, if we want to focus on Lofton, check this one out:

130 HR
600 SB

Henderson
Morgan
Raines
Brock
Lofton

OR, to back up a step, if we did, say, .298 BA, 600 SB & 115 HR, we get possibly my all-time favorite "dumb list"

Cobb
Lofton

And since Lofton has more HR than Cobb, unlike EVERY OTHER LIST I'VE POSTED, there isn't a guy who is CLEARLY the worst in this one.

(By the way, Henderson's "low" BA lets you do a lot of really dumb stuff with him. 600 SB, 1500 Games and NO MORE than a .280 BA? Henderson, Morgan, Campaneris, Otis Nixon)

In conclusion, small groups of players are fun. Thanks, Tim Kurkjian.
 
2013-01-20 02:29:27 AM  
How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.
 
2013-01-20 02:37:46 AM  

DeWayne Mann: 2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina



Hey, don't farking knock Moose.
 
2013-01-20 02:41:08 AM  

cptjeff: DeWayne Mann: 2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina


Hey, don't farking knock Moose.


Moose was good. He's clearly the worst guy in that group.

But at least someone agrees that these lists don't mean what they claim to.
 
2013-01-20 02:58:18 AM  

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.


I always think back to what George Will said in Ken Burns' Baseball about that statistic:

"Baseball's rich in wonderful statistics, but it's hard to find one more beautiful than Stan Musial's batting record. Stan Musial got 3,630 hits; 1,815 at home, 1,815 on the road. He didn't care where he was, he just hit.

Also, what Bob Costas said about Musial:

"When Stan Musial took his fist big league at-bat, America was not yet in World War II. They were six years removed from Jackie Robinson. There were no baseball games, to speak of, on television. He traveled to games in trains. When Stan Musial took his last at-bat, as the National League's all-timer leader in hits - second on that list only to Ty Cobb - his last base hit went past the lunge of a rookie second baseman named Pete Rose, who would eventually pass him, and would eventually pass Cobb. It was 1963, it was a month before President Kennedy would be killed. It was...into an entirely new era."

Stan the Man bridged two generations of players, and set records - only to hand them off to another legendary player to break himself. Arguably one of the finest hitters in the history the game(perhaps second to Ted Williams), and a fan favorite. He might have helped deny my Red Sox a World Series title in 1946, but that's ancient history. RIP, Stan The Man. Go join the guys in the cornfield and slug some hits.
 
2013-01-20 03:17:13 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.


How the can you say he's under appreciated ?
 
2013-01-20 03:39:44 AM  

DeWayne Mann: I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


Group Pujols with the worst players you can. Just curious. Don't have anything against the guy.

Or you can try making David Freese look as good as possible by association.
 
2013-01-20 03:52:13 AM  

mjohnson71: How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.


That and the Post-Dispatch is dedicating a 14-page section to him in Sunday's paper.

I don't think the playoffs got that many pages of coverage.
 
2013-01-20 07:42:43 AM  

Mrtraveler01: mjohnson71: How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.

That and the Post-Dispatch is dedicating a 14-page section to him in Sunday's paper.

I don't think the playoffs got that many pages of coverage.


I bet the P-D has had that in a file on their mainframe for a long time.  Just the like the TV stations have had plenty of time to put together nice pieces. The whole business of news organizations 'morgue file' is kinda ghoulish in a way.

///has a stepbrother who has worked at CNN for years - got to take the REAL backstage tour.and use the staff bathroom :P
 
2013-01-20 07:45:53 AM  
Stan Musial is/was a fraternity brother.

I hereby nominate Peter Angelos to DIAF or get face cancer to complete the baseball trifecta.
 
2013-01-20 07:51:42 AM  

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


True, but I took it as saying "there are only 3 players who hit for a higher lifetime average and had more career homers".

/lighten up, Frances
 
2013-01-20 08:01:55 AM  

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road


This is one of the cooler facts about baseball history, an it's one of my favorite ones to cite in casual baseball conversation.

/Yeah, I'm a blast at parties
 
2013-01-20 08:03:07 AM  

ColTomParker: I hereby nominate Peter Angelos to DIAF or get face cancer to complete the baseball trifecta.


Sorry, but I think it has to be someone who was loved
 
2013-01-20 09:11:50 AM  
blacksportsonline.com
 
2013-01-20 09:30:42 AM  
CSB:
My wife's grandfather passed away at 93 this past year. In going through his belongings we found photo albums from his time in the Civilian Conservation Corps in upstate New York. Also included in the cache of documents and photos was an original near mint condition yearbook of the CCC which had group photos of all the different regiments(?). That's when we learned he and Stan Musial were stationed together. A lifetime Red Sox fan, he also said he rooted for the Cardinals because of Stan.
 
2013-01-20 09:38:37 AM  

zeppo: MayoBoy: As a Musial whose grandfather was from Donora, PA, I say RIP Stan.

Stan lived 2 doors down from my grandfather's family in Donora and was part of the same Polish Falcons Nest as the other Musials. He actually said that my great-uncle Frank was the greatest athlete he had ever seen.

/CSB

I umpire high school softball here in  SE New York State, and I had a kid last year with the name Musial (and yes, she wore #6), so when I had her team a second time, I quietly asked the coach, and he acknowledged that she was related in some way..


Both my kids wear #6 when they play (softball and baseball respectively). Most of the kids don't get it but but you'll see some big smiles on the grandparents faces. Last year my son's class was known as the baseball class - besides a Musial, they had a DiMaggio, Gibson, Flood and a Rose. Granted, Gibson and Flood are white and Rose is the girl's first name...
 
2013-01-20 09:40:00 AM  

DeWayne Mann: if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


And this is why I have you in my favorites.

Do one for Nomahh!!
 
2013-01-20 10:01:54 AM  
RIP Stan the Man. Nothing but respect.

After that day, I may take a ride out to Montclair to check on Yogi...
 
2013-01-20 10:10:11 AM  
By all accounts he was everything the modern ballplayer isn't. Humble, generous, decent.
 
2013-01-20 10:17:52 AM  
Put me down for didn't know he was still alive
 
2013-01-20 10:37:33 AM  

mikehusker: Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?


Apparently only as the under trail. I turned on ESPNews at 10 pm and was treated to 15 minutes of a last second shot of the Butler-Gonzaga game and its implications on the Natjional Championship tournament to be held 3 months from now. It was in the upcoming box (only 2 up) but the box never moved. For 15 minutes. Thanks for the indepth reporting.
 
2013-01-20 10:47:15 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Shrugging Atlas: One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.

How the can you say he's under appreciated ?


He should be in the conversation when discussing the top 5 players in the history of baseball, but often isn't. I'd even wager that a fairly significant percentage of people polled would leave him out of the top 10.
 
2013-01-20 12:32:38 PM  

Foolkiller: mikehusker: Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?

Apparently only as the under trail. I turned on ESPNews at 10 pm and was treated to 15 minutes of a last second shot of the Butler-Gonzaga game and its implications on the Natjional Championship tournament to be held 3 months from now. It was in the upcoming box (only 2 up) but the box never moved. For 15 minutes. Thanks for the indepth reporting.


Give them credit for covering a basketball game. It could have been non-stop Tebow and Te'o.
 
2013-01-20 12:41:20 PM  

grinding_journalist: DeWayne Mann: I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.

Group Pujols with the worst players you can. Just curious. Don't have anything against the guy.

Or you can try making David Freese look as good as possible by association.


Freese'll be hard. Generally, I need somewhat unique careers. A good way to tell that is by looking at their similarity scores on b-ref. If the most similar player has a score under 900, I can PROBABLY do it. Freese's closest guy is like 957.

So I cheated a little, and limited it to a single position.. Third basemen (50% of games played @ 3b) with at least a 121 OPS+, who have a CS to SB ratio of at least 79:100, and at least 3 sac bunts.

Wade Boggs
Ron Cey
Ron Santo
Al Rosen
Jim Ray Hart
David Freese

Think that's the best I'll ever be able to do.

Pujols is a bit easier. Here's the first one I got that I enjoyed, though I'm sure there are others:

At least 250 GIDP, NO MORE than 81 sac flies, 300 HR:

Pujols
Konerko
Vlad
Ivan Rodriguez
Miguel Tejada

Not that that's a bad group, but...not the guys we normally see with Pujols.

cmunic8r99: True, but I took it as saying "there are only 3 players who hit for a higher lifetime average and had more career homers".


ok? You can say that about most of the other groups I've proposed too.

It's a silly idea that completely ignores a large chunk of who Musial was in order to say "Look, we put him in a sentence with 3 other guys who were really really good! I mean, sure, they were a lot better at the things we're looking at, but still!"

WinoRhino: DeWayne Mann: if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.

And this is why I have you in my favorites.

Do one for Nomahh!!


Nomah is FUN. He's actually the exact type of guy that this sort of thing has been used for FOREVER: a borderline HOFer with one real distinguishing characteristic, in this case his fairly high BA.

(At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).

Anyway, this one was enjoyable:
At least a .313 BA, 60 3b, 229 HR, BUT NO MORE THAN 31 CS

Ted Williams
Joe DiMaggio
Nomar Garciaparra

(Side note: technically, this group also contains Musial, Chuck Klein and Hank Greenberg. But that's because we have incomplete records on how many CS they had. So they may or may not qualify.)

Or, if we want to go back and use our Freese trick of only looking at shortstops (again, 50% of games played @ SS):

At least a .313 batting average, 229 HR

Jeter
Garciaparra

wait....I don't like this game anymore.
 
2013-01-20 12:46:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Ralph Kiner


Well Robinson is 92 and Kiner is 90, so that wouldn't be shocking or anything.
For the hell of it, here's the 100 oldest living MLB players, including Robinson and Kiner
Link
 
2013-01-20 12:48:52 PM  
You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list
 
2013-01-20 12:50:30 PM  

zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list


here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704
 
2013-01-20 12:54:46 PM  

The Downfall: UNC_Samurai: Ralph Kiner

Well Robinson is 92 and Kiner is 90, so that wouldn't be shocking or anything.
For the hell of it, here's the 100 oldest living MLB players, including Robinson and Kiner
Link



Did not know Monte Irvin was still alive.
 
2013-01-20 12:55:08 PM  

zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704


WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL THE SRORTS MEN?

Anyways, I make a list for stiffs.com, but don't do the $10, but I make the list. Mine:
George HW Bush
Bob Dole
Nelson Mandela
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Hugo Chavez
Margaret Thatcher
Prince Philip
Billy Graham
Stan Lee
Stan Musial

Also, why'd you pick Niekro? Has he been sick or something?
 
2013-01-20 12:57:20 PM  

zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704


Hey you're tied for 2nd place!
I only have 1 stiff for 1 point
 
2013-01-20 01:00:22 PM  
Today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch front page:
i1170.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-20 01:11:47 PM  
No surprise here.....my local memorabilia/card shop just posted all their Stan Musial items on their main page:

http://www.millcreeksports.com/
 
2013-01-20 01:31:59 PM  
My most prized possession is a photo that my grandparents had Stan sign for my father one year during Spring Training. It reads, "To Bill, Best Wishes, Stan Musial"
d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-20 02:00:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: (At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).


For reference to anyone who's interested, the book was originally released under the name "Politics of Glory". Just FYI for library searching purposes...
 
2013-01-20 02:05:16 PM  

TheMatchHare: DeWayne Mann: (At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).

For reference to anyone who's interested, the book was originally released under the name "Politics of Glory". Just FYI for library searching purposes...


Good point. Thanks.
 
2013-01-20 02:53:06 PM  

The Downfall: zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704

WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL THE SRORTS MEN?

Anyways, I make a list for stiffs.com, but don't do the $10, but I make the list. Mine:
George HW Bush
Bob Dole
Nelson Mandela
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Hugo Chavez
Margaret Thatcher
Prince Philip
Billy Graham
Stan Lee
Stan Musial

Also, why'd you pick Niekro? Has he been sick or something?


I did the Lee Atwater 3 for the price of 2 thing, so I decided to make a list of just sports people.

Knew Musial was in his 90's and very very frail...knew Weaver was in pretty frail shape too. Same thing with Kiner....Yogi... They had to basically prop Harvey up when they inducted him two years ago.  Niekro and Starr are shots in the dark. Howe is in his 80s  Gifford has had some health issues....and Jackson may not whoa nellying much longer also
 
2013-01-20 03:38:30 PM  
It's very fitting that the best player in Cardinals history was also a super nice and humble guy. St. Louis is such a ridonkulous baseball town, but also just such a decent, genteel Midwestern city. A refreshing break from typical east coast douchbaggery associated with some of its cities, fanbases and players. And I say that as a lifelong east coast guy.
 
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