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(KMOV St. Louis)   Stan "The Man" Musial dead at age 92. Baseball legends trifecta in play   (kmov.com) divider line 117
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2013-01-20 10:37:33 AM  

mikehusker: Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?


Apparently only as the under trail. I turned on ESPNews at 10 pm and was treated to 15 minutes of a last second shot of the Butler-Gonzaga game and its implications on the Natjional Championship tournament to be held 3 months from now. It was in the upcoming box (only 2 up) but the box never moved. For 15 minutes. Thanks for the indepth reporting.
 
2013-01-20 10:47:15 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Shrugging Atlas: One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.

How the can you say he's under appreciated ?


He should be in the conversation when discussing the top 5 players in the history of baseball, but often isn't. I'd even wager that a fairly significant percentage of people polled would leave him out of the top 10.
 
2013-01-20 12:32:38 PM  

Foolkiller: mikehusker: Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?

Apparently only as the under trail. I turned on ESPNews at 10 pm and was treated to 15 minutes of a last second shot of the Butler-Gonzaga game and its implications on the Natjional Championship tournament to be held 3 months from now. It was in the upcoming box (only 2 up) but the box never moved. For 15 minutes. Thanks for the indepth reporting.


Give them credit for covering a basketball game. It could have been non-stop Tebow and Te'o.
 
2013-01-20 12:41:20 PM  

grinding_journalist: DeWayne Mann: I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.

Group Pujols with the worst players you can. Just curious. Don't have anything against the guy.

Or you can try making David Freese look as good as possible by association.


Freese'll be hard. Generally, I need somewhat unique careers. A good way to tell that is by looking at their similarity scores on b-ref. If the most similar player has a score under 900, I can PROBABLY do it. Freese's closest guy is like 957.

So I cheated a little, and limited it to a single position.. Third basemen (50% of games played @ 3b) with at least a 121 OPS+, who have a CS to SB ratio of at least 79:100, and at least 3 sac bunts.

Wade Boggs
Ron Cey
Ron Santo
Al Rosen
Jim Ray Hart
David Freese

Think that's the best I'll ever be able to do.

Pujols is a bit easier. Here's the first one I got that I enjoyed, though I'm sure there are others:

At least 250 GIDP, NO MORE than 81 sac flies, 300 HR:

Pujols
Konerko
Vlad
Ivan Rodriguez
Miguel Tejada

Not that that's a bad group, but...not the guys we normally see with Pujols.

cmunic8r99: True, but I took it as saying "there are only 3 players who hit for a higher lifetime average and had more career homers".


ok? You can say that about most of the other groups I've proposed too.

It's a silly idea that completely ignores a large chunk of who Musial was in order to say "Look, we put him in a sentence with 3 other guys who were really really good! I mean, sure, they were a lot better at the things we're looking at, but still!"

WinoRhino: DeWayne Mann: if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.

And this is why I have you in my favorites.

Do one for Nomahh!!


Nomah is FUN. He's actually the exact type of guy that this sort of thing has been used for FOREVER: a borderline HOFer with one real distinguishing characteristic, in this case his fairly high BA.

(At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).

Anyway, this one was enjoyable:
At least a .313 BA, 60 3b, 229 HR, BUT NO MORE THAN 31 CS

Ted Williams
Joe DiMaggio
Nomar Garciaparra

(Side note: technically, this group also contains Musial, Chuck Klein and Hank Greenberg. But that's because we have incomplete records on how many CS they had. So they may or may not qualify.)

Or, if we want to go back and use our Freese trick of only looking at shortstops (again, 50% of games played @ SS):

At least a .313 batting average, 229 HR

Jeter
Garciaparra

wait....I don't like this game anymore.
 
2013-01-20 12:46:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Ralph Kiner


Well Robinson is 92 and Kiner is 90, so that wouldn't be shocking or anything.
For the hell of it, here's the 100 oldest living MLB players, including Robinson and Kiner
Link
 
2013-01-20 12:48:52 PM  
You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list
 
2013-01-20 12:50:30 PM  

zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list


here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704
 
2013-01-20 12:54:46 PM  

The Downfall: UNC_Samurai: Ralph Kiner

Well Robinson is 92 and Kiner is 90, so that wouldn't be shocking or anything.
For the hell of it, here's the 100 oldest living MLB players, including Robinson and Kiner
Link



Did not know Monte Irvin was still alive.
 
2013-01-20 12:55:08 PM  

zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704


WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL THE SRORTS MEN?

Anyways, I make a list for stiffs.com, but don't do the $10, but I make the list. Mine:
George HW Bush
Bob Dole
Nelson Mandela
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Hugo Chavez
Margaret Thatcher
Prince Philip
Billy Graham
Stan Lee
Stan Musial

Also, why'd you pick Niekro? Has he been sick or something?
 
2013-01-20 12:57:20 PM  

zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704


Hey you're tied for 2nd place!
I only have 1 stiff for 1 point
 
2013-01-20 01:00:22 PM  
Today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch front page:
i1170.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-20 01:11:47 PM  
No surprise here.....my local memorabilia/card shop just posted all their Stan Musial items on their main page:

http://www.millcreeksports.com/
 
2013-01-20 01:31:59 PM  
My most prized possession is a photo that my grandparents had Stan sign for my father one year during Spring Training. It reads, "To Bill, Best Wishes, Stan Musial"
d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-20 02:00:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: (At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).


For reference to anyone who's interested, the book was originally released under the name "Politics of Glory". Just FYI for library searching purposes...
 
2013-01-20 02:05:16 PM  

TheMatchHare: DeWayne Mann: (At this point, I highly recommend everyone reading "Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame" by Bill James, which is where I first learned this trick).

For reference to anyone who's interested, the book was originally released under the name "Politics of Glory". Just FYI for library searching purposes...


Good point. Thanks.
 
2013-01-20 02:53:06 PM  

The Downfall: zeppo: zeppo: You know, Stan and Weaver have had something in common - St. Louis. Not only was Weaver was born and raised there,  but his uncle had the laundry business of both the Browns and Cardinals, so Earl would go along and *cough*help*cough* with deliveries. So it is very very possible that Weaver met The Man occasionally . That same uncle, by the way got Earl his tryout with Browns, and they signed him. He up ended staying with the Browns/Orioles organization ALL his baseball life.  The same as Musial with the Cardinals.

This is why one has to be especially concerned about either Yogi or Joe Garagiola

///almost ashamed to admit that had Stan #1 and Earl #3 on a list of mine at stiffs.com.
/// my #2 is Kiner

//// here's my list

here:    http://stiffs.com/lists/?listid=26704

WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL THE SRORTS MEN?

Anyways, I make a list for stiffs.com, but don't do the $10, but I make the list. Mine:
George HW Bush
Bob Dole
Nelson Mandela
Zsa Zsa Gabor
Hugo Chavez
Margaret Thatcher
Prince Philip
Billy Graham
Stan Lee
Stan Musial

Also, why'd you pick Niekro? Has he been sick or something?


I did the Lee Atwater 3 for the price of 2 thing, so I decided to make a list of just sports people.

Knew Musial was in his 90's and very very frail...knew Weaver was in pretty frail shape too. Same thing with Kiner....Yogi... They had to basically prop Harvey up when they inducted him two years ago.  Niekro and Starr are shots in the dark. Howe is in his 80s  Gifford has had some health issues....and Jackson may not whoa nellying much longer also
 
2013-01-20 03:38:30 PM  
It's very fitting that the best player in Cardinals history was also a super nice and humble guy. St. Louis is such a ridonkulous baseball town, but also just such a decent, genteel Midwestern city. A refreshing break from typical east coast douchbaggery associated with some of its cities, fanbases and players. And I say that as a lifelong east coast guy.
 
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