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(KMOV St. Louis)   Stan "The Man" Musial dead at age 92. Baseball legends trifecta in play   (kmov.com) divider line 117
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2013-01-19 11:06:35 PM
my headline was better.
 
2013-01-19 11:07:31 PM
One half tycoon, one half Ty Cobb
 
zez
2013-01-19 11:08:00 PM
Trying to enjoy the Blues Stomping Detroit's ass 6-0 and all I hear is stuff about some guy who played baseball during sometime before the civil war.
 
2013-01-19 11:19:38 PM
hilobrow.com

RIP STAN LAUREL
 
2013-01-19 11:25:51 PM

MayoBoy: As a Musial whose grandfather was from Donora, PA, I say RIP Stan.

Stan lived 2 doors down from my grandfather's family in Donora and was part of the same Polish Falcons Nest as the other Musials. He actually said that my great-uncle Frank was the greatest athlete he had ever seen.

/CSB


I umpire high school softball here in  SE New York State, and I had a kid last year with the name Musial (and yes, she wore #6), so when I had her team a second time, I quietly asked the coach, and he acknowledged that she was related in some way..
 
2013-01-19 11:37:22 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

RIP Stan the caddy
 
2013-01-19 11:54:09 PM
i1170.photobucket.com

Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight.

Taken by me, at Busch Stadium, June 5, 2010
 
2013-01-20 12:01:39 AM
Sandy Koufax is sleeping with one eye open.
 
2013-01-20 12:04:58 AM
One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.
 
2013-01-20 12:09:38 AM
Will ESPN report on such a blatantly non-NFL related news event?
 
2013-01-20 12:34:28 AM
Born in 1961.
My earliest memory is driving down to St. Louis from central Illinois in the summer of 1963.
My Dad took me to Sportsmans Park so I could get to see Musial play, in what was his final season.

/Thanks, Dad
//Thanks, Stan
///Go Cards
 
2013-01-20 12:37:44 AM

W.C.fields forever: John Buck 41: ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.

That's...farking amazing.

Up thread it was said he batted .331 in his rookie year.And I saw he he batted .330 at 42.
Career batting avg. .331

//The most consistent 'MAN' evah.


7x league batting champ (only 3 have more)
3 World Series titles
3 League MVP (only person with three WS and MVP)
24x all-star (tie for second with Mays. Aaron has more)
4th most hits
5th most RBI
2nd most total bases (Aaron has more)

Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

Truly a legend.
 
2013-01-20 12:46:43 AM

Outlaw2097: i blame albert pujols. hes got something to do with this.


Albert killed him. +1 to you for breaking this story. Do you work for Deadspin? *favorited*
 
2013-01-20 01:01:00 AM
I fell asleep at 5PM shortly after I got home today. So when I woke up at 11PM to check the score of the Blues game and grab a quick bite to eat before going back to bed, imagine my shock and sadness when I heard Stan the Man died.

The guy was practically a God here in St. Louis even though he's been ill for quite a long time.

It's one of those deals where you knew he's been sick for quite a long time but it's still shocking to see them go.
 
2013-01-20 01:01:49 AM

cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.


I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.
 
2013-01-20 01:02:42 AM
As a crusty 50 year old lifetime resident of the St. Louis area and MAJOR Cardinals fan, it does my heart good to see all of the posts, mostly from non-St. Louisans, respecting The Man. I love you all. Not a single negative comment.

/Except for zez. I'm a Blues fan too, but really? Don't be a dick.
 
2013-01-20 01:04:32 AM

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


Please, don't be a dick. He lost one of the prime years of his career serving in WWII.
 
2013-01-20 01:06:22 AM

show me: Please, don't be a dick. He lost one of the prime years of his career serving in WWII.


...ok? Good for him?

Am I saying that Musial is bad? Nope.

Am I saying that Tim Kurkjian is a hack for using stupid cherry picked stats to try and put players in small meaningless groups? Yep.
 
2013-01-20 01:07:36 AM
So, his new nickname is "Stan the corpse"?
 
2013-01-20 01:09:17 AM

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.
 
2013-01-20 01:11:42 AM

Uncle Pooky: I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness,


Again, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MUSIAL.

Unless, somehow, you think comparing him to Foxx & Pujols AS WELL as Ruth, Williams & Gehrig is an insult?
 
2013-01-20 01:17:59 AM
So does this mean that Pujols will now allow himself to be nicknamed 'El Hombre'?

/'Tis a joke
//So long, Musial
 
2013-01-20 01:19:55 AM

Uncle Pooky: DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.

I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.


yeah, I'm not seeing DeWayne Mann diminish baseball, but rather diminish ESPN. you really can't diminish in any way what Stan did on or off the field. like it's been said upthread, on the field consistency, off the field class and dignity. I can only wish more modern-day athletes could learn from his life in the public eye.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:47 AM

SnatchMcGillicudy: Uncle Pooky: DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.

I was actually going to make a crack earlier about you coming in here and diminishing the stats used to describe Musial's greatness, but then I assumed that if there was ever a thread to let that shiat go, it would be this one and you'd recognize that.

Wrong.

yeah, I'm not seeing DeWayne Mann diminish baseball, but rather diminish ESPN. you really can't diminish in any way what Stan did on or off the field. like it's been said upthread, on the field consistency, off the field class and dignity. I can only wish more modern-day athletes could learn from his life in the public eye.


To be 100% honest, if ANYTHING in that conversation was diminishing Stan, it was that stupid group. Note only did it ignore a rather sizable portion of his game (Musial is 3rd all-time in doubles, for instance), it's an intellectually dishonest tactic in general.

Check this out: There are 4 players with 595 2B, 60 3B & 350 HR.

The first three are Bonds, Aaron and Musial. All fantastic, outstanding players.

The fourth is Luis Gonzalez.

Of course, Luis barely fits in: he had 596 2B, 68 3Bs and 354 HR. But if I wanted to argue he was one of the best all around sluggers in history, isn't that a GREAT way to do it?

Now compare that group to the one from before. Who is the guy who just BARELY fit in, Gonzo-style?
 
2013-01-20 01:27:08 AM

AntonSzandorLaVey: So, his new nickname is "Stan the corpse"?


F.U.
 
2013-01-20 01:46:16 AM
I hate to tell you guys this, but the trifecta is most likely going to be completed by Eddie Robinson or Ralph Kiner.

Source: I'm the curator for a baseball museum.
 
2013-01-20 01:49:21 AM
R.I.P. Stan "The Man".

CSB:  I briefly met him during an autograph signing back in 2006 or so.......still have that signed baseball.
 
2013-01-20 01:53:18 AM
Just because I apparently love insulting random baseball players and am also bored, here's some other groups I've found:

.295 average & 590 SB:
Cobb
Wagner
Collins
Lofton
...Juan Pierre

175 3B, 300 SH:
Collins
Speaker
...Rabbit Maranville

2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina

I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.
 
2013-01-20 02:00:05 AM
And the Blues beat Detroit 6-0.

/Coincidence?
 
2013-01-20 02:01:56 AM

DeWayne Mann: Just because I apparently love insulting random baseball players and am also bored, here's some other groups I've found:

.295 average & 590 SB:
Cobb
Wagner
Collins
Lofton
...Juan Pierre

175 3B, 300 SH:
Collins
Speaker
...Rabbit Maranville

2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina

I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


What is LOFTON doing on that list? For shame...
 
2013-01-20 02:18:30 AM

SnatchMcGillicudy: What is LOFTON doing on that list? For shame...


Being a borderline HOFer that stupidly got kicked off his first ballot. In other words, not much.

In fact, if we want to focus on Lofton, check this one out:

130 HR
600 SB

Henderson
Morgan
Raines
Brock
Lofton

OR, to back up a step, if we did, say, .298 BA, 600 SB & 115 HR, we get possibly my all-time favorite "dumb list"

Cobb
Lofton

And since Lofton has more HR than Cobb, unlike EVERY OTHER LIST I'VE POSTED, there isn't a guy who is CLEARLY the worst in this one.

(By the way, Henderson's "low" BA lets you do a lot of really dumb stuff with him. 600 SB, 1500 Games and NO MORE than a .280 BA? Henderson, Morgan, Campaneris, Otis Nixon)

In conclusion, small groups of players are fun. Thanks, Tim Kurkjian.
 
2013-01-20 02:29:27 AM
How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.
 
2013-01-20 02:37:46 AM

DeWayne Mann: 2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina



Hey, don't farking knock Moose.
 
2013-01-20 02:41:08 AM

cptjeff: DeWayne Mann: 2800 K, .635 Win%:
R. Johnson
Clemens
P. Martinez
...Mike Mussina


Hey, don't farking knock Moose.


Moose was good. He's clearly the worst guy in that group.

But at least someone agrees that these lists don't mean what they claim to.
 
2013-01-20 02:58:18 AM

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road; 1,951 RBI's and 1,949 runs scored. Possibly the most balanced great hitter ever, as well as being one of the greatest gentlemen ever to play the game.


I always think back to what George Will said in Ken Burns' Baseball about that statistic:

"Baseball's rich in wonderful statistics, but it's hard to find one more beautiful than Stan Musial's batting record. Stan Musial got 3,630 hits; 1,815 at home, 1,815 on the road. He didn't care where he was, he just hit.

Also, what Bob Costas said about Musial:

"When Stan Musial took his fist big league at-bat, America was not yet in World War II. They were six years removed from Jackie Robinson. There were no baseball games, to speak of, on television. He traveled to games in trains. When Stan Musial took his last at-bat, as the National League's all-timer leader in hits - second on that list only to Ty Cobb - his last base hit went past the lunge of a rookie second baseman named Pete Rose, who would eventually pass him, and would eventually pass Cobb. It was 1963, it was a month before President Kennedy would be killed. It was...into an entirely new era."

Stan the Man bridged two generations of players, and set records - only to hand them off to another legendary player to break himself. Arguably one of the finest hitters in the history the game(perhaps second to Ted Williams), and a fan favorite. He might have helped deny my Red Sox a World Series title in 1946, but that's ancient history. RIP, Stan The Man. Go join the guys in the cornfield and slug some hits.
 
2013-01-20 03:17:13 AM

Shrugging Atlas: One of the most under appreciated players of all time. Thanks Stan for the memories, and for shaking my hand about 10 years ago between innings.


How the can you say he's under appreciated ?
 
2013-01-20 03:39:44 AM

DeWayne Mann: I'm fairly sure I could fit any player with a decently long career into a group of 4 or fewer players with 4 or fewer restrictions, so if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


Group Pujols with the worst players you can. Just curious. Don't have anything against the guy.

Or you can try making David Freese look as good as possible by association.
 
2013-01-20 03:52:13 AM

mjohnson71: How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.


That and the Post-Dispatch is dedicating a 14-page section to him in Sunday's paper.

I don't think the playoffs got that many pages of coverage.
 
2013-01-20 07:42:43 AM

Mrtraveler01: mjohnson71: How big a deal was his passing away here in St. Louis? The local news expanded to over 90 minutes and almost all of it was coverage of Stan's life.

That and the Post-Dispatch is dedicating a 14-page section to him in Sunday's paper.

I don't think the playoffs got that many pages of coverage.


I bet the P-D has had that in a file on their mainframe for a long time.  Just the like the TV stations have had plenty of time to put together nice pieces. The whole business of news organizations 'morgue file' is kinda ghoulish in a way.

///has a stepbrother who has worked at CNN for years - got to take the REAL backstage tour.and use the staff bathroom :P
 
2013-01-20 07:45:53 AM
Stan Musial is/was a fraternity brother.

I hereby nominate Peter Angelos to DIAF or get face cancer to complete the baseball trifecta.
 
2013-01-20 07:51:42 AM

DeWayne Mann: cmunic8r99: Also, I heard Tim Kurkjian say he's one of four people to hit .331 or better and hit 475 homers. The other three are Ruth, Gehrig, and Williams.

I always love that sort of cherry picking. Note that if you require a .332 average or 476 HR, Musial disappears. Or, alternatively, by dropping the average to .325, POOF, Foxx & Pujols show up.


True, but I took it as saying "there are only 3 players who hit for a higher lifetime average and had more career homers".

/lighten up, Frances
 
2013-01-20 08:01:55 AM

ClavellBCMI: 1,815 hits at home, and 1,815 hits on the road


This is one of the cooler facts about baseball history, an it's one of my favorite ones to cite in casual baseball conversation.

/Yeah, I'm a blast at parties
 
2013-01-20 08:03:07 AM

ColTomParker: I hereby nominate Peter Angelos to DIAF or get face cancer to complete the baseball trifecta.


Sorry, but I think it has to be someone who was loved
 
2013-01-20 09:11:50 AM
blacksportsonline.com
 
2013-01-20 09:30:42 AM
CSB:
My wife's grandfather passed away at 93 this past year. In going through his belongings we found photo albums from his time in the Civilian Conservation Corps in upstate New York. Also included in the cache of documents and photos was an original near mint condition yearbook of the CCC which had group photos of all the different regiments(?). That's when we learned he and Stan Musial were stationed together. A lifetime Red Sox fan, he also said he rooted for the Cardinals because of Stan.
 
2013-01-20 09:38:37 AM

zeppo: MayoBoy: As a Musial whose grandfather was from Donora, PA, I say RIP Stan.

Stan lived 2 doors down from my grandfather's family in Donora and was part of the same Polish Falcons Nest as the other Musials. He actually said that my great-uncle Frank was the greatest athlete he had ever seen.

/CSB

I umpire high school softball here in  SE New York State, and I had a kid last year with the name Musial (and yes, she wore #6), so when I had her team a second time, I quietly asked the coach, and he acknowledged that she was related in some way..


Both my kids wear #6 when they play (softball and baseball respectively). Most of the kids don't get it but but you'll see some big smiles on the grandparents faces. Last year my son's class was known as the baseball class - besides a Musial, they had a DiMaggio, Gibson, Flood and a Rose. Granted, Gibson and Flood are white and Rose is the girl's first name...
 
2013-01-20 09:40:00 AM

DeWayne Mann: if anyone has any other players they'd like to see insulted, let me know.


And this is why I have you in my favorites.

Do one for Nomahh!!
 
2013-01-20 10:01:54 AM
RIP Stan the Man. Nothing but respect.

After that day, I may take a ride out to Montclair to check on Yogi...
 
2013-01-20 10:10:11 AM
By all accounts he was everything the modern ballplayer isn't. Humble, generous, decent.
 
2013-01-20 10:17:52 AM
Put me down for didn't know he was still alive
 
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