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2013-01-19 10:30:01 PM  
14 votes:
Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut
2013-01-19 10:31:59 PM  
7 votes:
This is a country where large buckets come with a warning that you shouldn't fill them with water and leave them around small children, because a child could fall in and drown.

If your average American can't be trusted with a plastic bucket, it shouldn't be a surprise when a hand or two is blown off at a gun show.
2013-01-19 08:53:10 PM  
7 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-19 10:45:30 PM  
5 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I suppose you libtards would feel better if they'd been stabbed at a knife show!?


How does one accidentally stab 3 people?
2013-01-19 10:35:56 PM  
5 votes:
What's really surprising is nobody returned fire.
2013-01-19 08:57:01 PM  
5 votes:
Waiting for the conspiracy theory people to claim Obama set this up....
2013-01-20 10:25:10 AM  
4 votes:

spacelord321: HairBolus: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Guns are the GREAT EQUALIZER. You don't have to be fit, athletic,or well coordinated to badly hurt or kill someone. Why go through all the hassle of say learning how to box and staying in shape when all you need is a twitch of your finger on the trigger.

Because you're too young, old, have a disability, or you realize a criminal with a gun can easily put a fit boxer in the grave. Don't confuse other peoples circumstances with your own.


Your thinking is why there are so many gun nut morons around who think that a gun will make them safe while without extensive training - it only makes them more dangerous both to themselves and others around them. A gun does not instantly turn somebody into a tough guy but it can instantly turn someone into a dangerous idiot.
2013-01-19 11:10:25 PM  
4 votes:

Fubini: Statistically, 500 people are killed every year from accidental gun discharges. That means on average 1-2 deaths per day, and undoubtedly more injuries. Lots of people die and get injured every day for more stupid reasons than accidental discharge.

This is only "news" or "ironic" if you're totally uninformed.


Or watching folks tripping over themselves to wrap themselves in the flag to show off their "patriotic" love of firearms while simultaneously reinforcing the perception that perhaps stronger licensing might be in order on a day to celebrate their weapons and their love of them...

Or did you just miss that?

I own a few firearms. A couple of pistols, a couple of shotguns, a few rifles, and even had a concealed carry for a few years, because at the time I was making night deposits in Boston, and that was back when the Combat Zone was still kind of dangerous. I am a strong proponent for the Second Amendment, and the First too. The wroth that folks are in about the possibility of background checks and limitations might be a bit better received as patriotic fervor, if they might refrain from illustrating, in such a public fashion, that the gun owning community needs to be more responsible.

Yes, accidents occur every day. That's still too many, but maybe if folks didn't illustrate why gun shows are hotbeds of recklessness, it might make a stronger case that the gun owning community IS responsible. These yahoos are only making it harder for folks who DO take gun safety seriously, and do you really want to defend idiocy of this level? Really? At which point does loading a weapon, in public, and handling it in an unsafe manner become acceptable and commonplace?

Don't forget to show your work.
2013-01-19 10:35:56 PM  
4 votes:
I've never seen a group of people that so actively sabotage their own cause like the gun nuts do.
2013-01-19 08:44:02 PM  
4 votes:

Sim Tree: When the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.

WHAT?! In the act of removing your gun from its case, you accidentally shot three entirely different people?! WTFingHell are you doing?!


I think the better question is "Why the hell was your gun on display LOADED?!"
2013-01-19 11:29:40 PM  
3 votes:

Fubini: But the fact that a few gun owners hurt themselves and others today shouldn't be the point of discussion.


You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.

Then shooting themselves and each other.
2013-01-19 11:18:15 PM  
3 votes:

fullerton: meanwhile, three cars crashed at the car show. an airplane crashed at an air show and a marathon runner died running a marathon.


DMV motto: Driving is a priviledge, not a right.
There's a government organization that monitors every single flying aircraft.
Runners must be screened for health before being admitted into a marathon.
Oh, and all three require training and insurance.

If you want the same for firearms ownership, I agree.
2013-01-19 10:38:51 PM  
3 votes:

Huntceet: No Such Agency: brandent:
Apparently you don't understand how a shotgun works. Hitting 3 people simultaneously is quite easy. Notice how it says two of them in the hand and one in the torso. Depending on the size of the "shot", several dozen bb sized....well bbs.... are ejected at high velocity and scatter out the end. The diameter of the pattern being directly related to the distance from the end of the barrel. If the people injured were 20 or 30 yards away standing in a group it is quite possible to hit several at once.

You mean a shotgun fires a bunch of bullets at once? Like an assault rifle? How are weapons like that even remotely legal? There's no way that's safe or legitimate for hunting or self defense. You could hit things you aren't even aiming at.

You don't know much about guns or hunting, do you. Maybe do a little studying on the internet.


Holy shiat. THIS is why no one can take gun activists seriously. Even when it's your own side you can't recognize sarcasm.
2013-01-19 09:18:45 PM  
3 votes:

eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!


The NRA successfully lobbied Congress to remove the zip-tie restriction on our freedoms in 2003.
2013-01-19 08:42:05 PM  
3 votes:
I suppose you libtards would feel better if they'd been stabbed at a knife show!?
2013-01-19 08:41:38 PM  
3 votes:
When the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.

WHAT?! In the act of removing your gun from its case, you accidentally shot three entirely different people?! WTFingHell are you doing?!
2013-01-19 08:35:18 PM  
3 votes:
Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.
2013-01-19 08:31:21 PM  
3 votes:
My god, what next?

Plane crashes at airshows?
2013-01-20 12:54:31 PM  
2 votes:
I read an article the other day about all the safety features that gun manufacturers could put into guns but don't. They are not required to put them in and they would make the guns a bit more expensive so, unless their competition also put them in, it would put them at a disadvantage.

Of course this same analogy works for cars. If the government didn't recognize the great risk they pose and had not set safety standards we would not have seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, etc. It costs money to design and implement all these features so no one company will do it unless their competition is forced to do it as well.

People seem to be under the impression that if gun ownership is not as unsafe as possible, for the owners and everyone else, then the 2nd amendment has been violated. It is a bullshiat argument.
2013-01-20 02:15:12 AM  
2 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: A sincere question to gun enthusiasts:

What actions do you think that we, as a country, can take to minimize incidents like Newtown and Aurora without enacting stricter gun regulations?

/And don't give me that video games and Marilyn Manson bullshiat


Take sincere measures to aggressively identify dangerous mentally ill persons and simultaneously get them the treatment they need (if any can be made available) to get them healed, while removing their access, including by family with whom they live, to weapons they could use.
The aggressive nature of the identification process must include a means for normal citizens with whom persons interact to report persons who "scare them" or "creep them out" for mental health examination. One report alone shouldn't be enough to trigger a compulsory exam, but a few independent reports over a couple of months should trigger a judge-mandated exam.
And yes, if you're certifiably dangerously insane, you should lose your weapons until you are healed, and the people who choose to let you live with them should either surrender custody of their weapons or actively demonstrate control measures that prevent your access to them.
Owning a tool of death and destruction comes with steep responsibilities. That's why I have to demonstrate competence and carry insurance for my vehicle. If you think the purpose of a gun is anything but to destroy and kill in a very loud manner, you have been horribly miseducated and are quite likely a fool.
2013-01-20 01:33:36 AM  
2 votes:

pedrop357: No, moron. I'm pointing out that on the most armed, publicly carrying day on record and there were two accidents reported anywhere.

The hundreds of thousands of gun rights supporters who came out today are not responsible for the dumb behavior of 2 people.


Here's my ultimate point: Yes, they are responsible.

There's a responsibility entrusted in the Second Amendment. You bear Arms and you're expected to come defend the country if attacked. With that right comes the duty to uphold the public safety. THAT is what the Founders intended.

In our world the gun issue has been mishandled by its supporters; they want the gun but they don't want to put in the homework that goes with keeping it. They refuse to be regulated but they also refuse to regulate themselves: they let their lunatics walk openly in their communities and gun stores and don't pass on warnings to authorities. They expect the only precaution against mass murders is the faith that someone else with a gun will kill the killer at the scene. This doesn't work.

Let's be clear: I don't want to take away anyone's guns. But THESE ARE GUNS, the most modern tool of warfare in human history, capable of killing any human with a single bullet. The gun community has shown time and again that their culture lacks a fundamental respect for how their weapons impact our society. I believe the gun community needs to aggressively police itself.

But I'm the 'moron' and the people who didn't know their guns were loaded are the proud and sensible patriots.
2013-01-20 01:29:43 AM  
2 votes:

Confabulat: Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?


Why not? You're the one that wants to ban them. You gotta come up with a more compelling argument than "but you don't NEED it".

And before you repeat the "kill-em-all weapon suitable only for killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible" line, think about why police have them, and how "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible" is not in a police officer's job description.
2013-01-19 11:33:50 PM  
2 votes:

Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut


THIS A THOUSAND TIMES. How is this shiathead not charged with reckless endangerment or criminal negligence?
The way the law is now, if you give alcohol to a college student who gets in a wreck 2 hours later, you can go to jail for it, but if you bring a loaded weapon into a public place with the safety off and shoot 3 people, they write it off as "just an accident?"

This is like a story earlier this week, a DA in Pennsylvannia refused to charge a guy who "accidentally" shot his kid. He went into a gun shop to sell his pistol, the gun shop didn't want it, and when he got back in the car, the kid grabbed the barrel of the gun, it went off, and the kid was killed. The idiot forgot that while the clip was out, a round was still in the chamber. A guy didn't make sure his gun was unloaded and pointed it at his own child, and authorities said it was "just an accident?"

Bullshiat. Maybe if we started sending some of these numbskulls to jail, people would stop being such dumbasses around their firearms and these "accidents" would stop happening.
2013-01-19 11:11:11 PM  
2 votes:

hundreddollarman: The gun is always loaded
The gun is always loaded.
The gun is always loaded.

What part of that did these dumbasses not understand?


That the gun might be loaded?
2013-01-19 11:10:19 PM  
2 votes:
Good.
2013-01-19 11:05:42 PM  
2 votes:

whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?


Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!
2013-01-19 11:02:29 PM  
2 votes:
Guns don't kill people. If you want to kill someone you will find a way.

That's why the US Marines gave up firearms years ago.
2013-01-19 10:54:06 PM  
2 votes:
Fortunately, we only lost 219 people today as the price we pay for the freedom to drink alcohol.

eagerly awaiting the typical "THAT'S DIFFERENT!" response from the alcoholics.
2013-01-19 10:46:55 PM  
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.


Neither shooting happened inside the respective show. One was in the parking lot, one was at the checkpoint where they would zip-tie the gun.
2013-01-19 10:46:43 PM  
2 votes:
My favorite is: "The clip is out so there never could still be a bullet in the chamber" BLAM...ricochet... Durrrrr.
then: "I gots to load my weapon as i have just left the building"... BLAM....in the hand

/just about as fun as watching a gun safety instructor pull out the clip and put the gun to his head and watching the brains fall out the other side.
2013-01-19 10:36:00 PM  
2 votes:

whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?


If you're too slow to chase stuff, you have to shoot it to slow it down.
2013-01-19 10:27:54 PM  
2 votes:
I haven't been this happy since those religious fools got their "10 Commandments" monument okayed by the courts after three years and only then discovered it was misspelled.

Go, gun nuts! Prove to everyone you're a bunch of freaking idiots who shouldn't be trusted with a burned-out match!
2013-01-19 10:27:32 PM  
2 votes:
It's assholes like this that make the two or three dozen responsible gun owners in this country look bad.
2013-01-19 09:44:23 PM  
2 votes:

Speaker2Animals: [i.imgur.com image 850x850]


There're a lot of irresponsible gun owners.
2013-01-19 08:54:46 PM  
2 votes:
Did the Amusing tag get shot in the ass?
2013-01-19 08:45:31 PM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: I suppose you libtards would feel better if they'd been stabbed at a knife show!?


*scratching chin* well... i suppose there's humor in that
2013-01-19 08:34:59 PM  
2 votes:
No ironic tag?
2013-01-21 01:36:35 AM  
1 votes:
It is amusing to see how many so-called "responsible gun owners" are bending over backwards to try to explain why this guy should avoid being held responsible for his actions.

Someone hurts a person in a wreck while driving dangerously, they yell "Lock him up and throw away the key!"
Someone takes a loaded gun with the safety off to a public venue and shoots three people, "It's okay, punkin, accidents happen." I'm surprised the NRA rep at the rally didn't take this idiot out for ice cream.

I especially like the people saying "Look at how many people didn't get shot" to try to prove their rightness. You're basically saying "We put on a nationally coordinated effort to show how responsible we are with firearms, and we only had 8 casualties!"

That's like saying you put on a national Just Say No rally, and only had 8 people overdose. Not exactly something to be proud of.
2013-01-20 08:33:03 PM  
1 votes:

epoch_destroi: And today and every day of the year in America, 3561 yet to be born children were scraped, cut, injected with saline, or purposely rotated breech in their "mother's" death canal to have their spine cut with a rib shearing scissors. Way to "protect the children" you self righteous, bed wetting, liberal hypocrites. Every single time a government has disarmed it's citizens, it has been followed by tyranny. Ask the Armenians, Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Cambodians, Rwandans, Guatemalans etc how "common sense gun control" worked out for them.
1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination

You don't care about children, you care about an impossible socialist utopia to feed your lazy, stupid ass.

Not in America. We will drag you out of your Pearl Harbor attacker made Prius, slap from your soft hands the iPhone made in a high rise factory with the suicide nets, and skull fornicate you with a .45 acp before that happens in the USA.

We are onto this scam and we are keeping our guns - all of them. All of the hi capacity magazines, all of the armor piercing ammunition, all of the AR-15s AK-47s, and FN FALs (not that you quiche eaters know what any of that is) combat shotguns, sniper rifles, and guns that can reach you at ten football fields away. We are keeping all the handguns too. Get used to it. No registration.


imageshack.us
2013-01-20 05:49:42 PM  
1 votes:
Come on, even rabid pro-gun people have to admit that this was just the slightest bit funny. Not funny in "ha ha you got shot" kind of way. Funny in how this event was being set up to show the nation just how great guns are and just how much we should appreciate them and then the very people taking part in that even accidentally shoot themselves and others. You seriously don't see even the slightest bit of twisted humor in that? You didn't think to yourself "ah crap, why did this have to happen on Gun Appreciation Day of all days?"
2013-01-20 03:13:57 PM  
1 votes:

3StratMan: 3 idiots do something stupid with guns, therefore we should take away everyones right to own firearms?

Shiat, with that logic, we a should immediately take away everyone's right to vote after electing farkwads that spend the country into a $16 trillion dollar debt, happily guts our military into damn near laughing stock status, and pretty much spits on the constitution daily.

Oh wait, I forgot... It's OK, since it's YOUR guys doing it. And "but but but but Bush".


You military has been a laughing stop for a long time, but not because of budget cuts. Because they are poorly trained, clueless, and likely to fark up more than they fix, despite having some of the best equipment and most money of any military in the world.
2013-01-20 11:19:53 AM  
1 votes:

HBK: There should be a safety class or maybe a range safety certification process to be able to purchase a gun. It's really just too easy.



People with mental illnesses would be able to pass your safety classes without much of a problem at all, just like they can pass driver's ed classes or get high school diplomas. And yet, the random nut jobs will still be able to commit their mass shootings while law abiding citizens are spending their time jumping through all of your hoops.

Next!
2013-01-20 10:35:49 AM  
1 votes:

way south: edmo: TwowheelinTim: This is to be expected.

But why do we have to allow it?

We allow everyone their rights even though a handful will always abuse them.

In this case it isn't abuse so much as accident.
Millions of guns were being handled across the nation at thousands of events. The number of accidents is beyond insignificant.

/more people likely had traffic accidents on the way to the gun show.
/but since we aren't talking about car bans, we "allow" these incidents to happen.


If you really want to make an analogy to cars and car accidents (as so many gun rights people do), let's do that.

And let's start by pointing out that:
1) In order to use a car, you have to be licensed by the government, certifying that you have been trained to use it, passing a government-administered test. This license must be renewed periodically.
2) Every car you own and use must be registered with the government. This registration must be renewed periodically.
3) Car drivers are required to show both their license an their registration when requested to do so by a police officer.
4) The government mandates that you carry an insurance policy on each car you own and use, in the event that your car is involved in an accident and becomes damaged, or harms others and damages their property.
5) the government requires that each car you have registered be pass an inspection periodically to ensure it is operating properly and meets government standards.

If you really want to say guns are no different than cars, fine. Let's start by putting these five things in place for guns. I think that would be a great thing. Then I will fully support your guns-cars analogy.
2013-01-20 03:24:59 AM  
1 votes:

Znuh: If you're going to fire an insanely powerful weapon, which the AR-15 is, then you have to be certed and pass those certs to first, own and secondly, where you use the weapon has to be restricted.


Insanely powerful? Really? I realize that is a subjective ruling but still, what are the grades up from 'insanely powerful'?
2013-01-20 02:50:00 AM  
1 votes:
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
He's a responsible and safe gun owner.
>ACCIDENT HAPPENSWe always knew he was an irresponsible gun owner. It's a pity he's not like those responsible and safe gun owners.

THIS IS HOW GUN OWNERS ACTUALLY THINK.
2013-01-20 02:40:57 AM  
1 votes:

Fubini: As far as I know, there have only ever been two psycho-spree-shootings that have ever involved an "assault weapon," and both of them happened this year.


Here ya go.

assets.motherjones.com

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America
HBK
2013-01-20 02:37:18 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: We also live in a country where lawn darts are illegal. And these things:

<img src="[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x286] ">

But you guys get worked up over background checks to buy things DESIGNED to kill you? What kind of priorities to you have anyway?


It's stupid that those things are illegal. Why should I support the government making even more things illegal?
2013-01-20 02:34:29 AM  
1 votes:

Haliburton Cummings: give up. go green. do yourself in.


farm4.staticflickr.com
2013-01-20 02:25:44 AM  
1 votes:
We also live in a country where lawn darts are illegal. And these things:

<img src="i.dailymail.co.uk ">

But you guys get worked up over background checks to buy things DESIGNED to kill you? What kind of priorities to you have anyway?
2013-01-20 02:21:49 AM  
1 votes:
Point still remains, if you're so scared of the government coming to take your guns away because of background checks and certain types being banned, you have serious emotional problems and a deluded sense of reality.

You really shouldn't be playing with firearms in the first place. No wonder sane people worry about your access to them.
2013-01-20 02:12:51 AM  
1 votes:
If I want to ride a bike, I can hop on a bike.

If I want to drive a car, I have to take a written test, and then a test with an instructor.

If I want to drive a truck, there's a bigger test, and a more thorough test with yet another instructor.

If I want to drive an F1 Formula Car, there's a lot more instruction needed, I have to get my racing license, and I can't drive it on the street. It's illegal on normal roads due to it's insane level of performance.

Popping a .22 is a hell of a lot different than firing a round with an AR-15. The .22 in no way shape or form has as much powder behind it, whereas as we found out with the yokels firing with no proper backing, the round from a high powered assault rifle can travel a mile, easily.

Going from a Corolla to a high powered vehicle requires certification and training. Sans that, we get to read about rich idiots plowing their million dollar McLarens into walls.

Someone plonking down cash and buying a serious weapon is not the same as a trained expert. There need to be different levels of cert, period.
2013-01-20 02:10:46 AM  
1 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: A sincere question to gun enthusiasts:

What actions do you think that we, as a country, can take to minimize incidents like Newtown and Aurora without enacting stricter gun regulations?

/And don't give me that video games and Marilyn Manson bullshiat



Allow people with concealed weapon permits to carry in schools like they do everywhere else.
Encourage businesses to stop banning people from carrying firearms. CCW holders are not a problem anywhere.
Accept that in a free society, it may be impossible to stop the terrible acts of a very very very small number of people without needlessly and unfairly infringing on the rights of everyone else.
2013-01-20 02:08:10 AM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: And there you go again with the "take away second Amendment rights", still convinced that you're going to lose ALL of your guns when we're talking about SPECIFIC guns. And then you wonder why people think you're all paranoid.


This is like saying that we're not censoring all speech, just "hate speech". Then we free speech nuts point out hate "hate speech" actually covers a lot of seemingly normal speech when spoken in an angry tone, and has expanded to cover more and more speech over time.

Gee, why we would resist this attempt to ban merely a class of firearms?
2013-01-20 01:49:41 AM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Hey, gun nuts. Here's the secret tactic we who favor more gun regulation are using on you.

We say we don't need any more of these:

[www.bushmaster.com image 850x302]

or thirty round magazines or hundred round drums and you start up on cosmetics and ammo and tech specs and a lot of anal retentive bs and generally go fnckin' nuts.

The vast middle moderate majority sees that and says, "Those people are fnckin' nuts."

It's got nothing to do with banning "assault weapons" and everything to do with discrediting you.

So keep up the good work.


Thank you for admitting that you are intentionally relying upon dishonest tactics, rather than working to improve public safety. Few firearm restriction advocates admit such freely.
2013-01-20 01:42:44 AM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: It's so sad how they're convinced that they're going to lose all of their guns. They're convinced that everyone around them is screaming "NO GUNS NEVER!" and are about to strip them of every firearm they own. And no mater how much you explain otherwise, they just go deeper and deeper into the conspiracy theories and absolution that Obama's only reason for existing is to take away all their guns.


There is plenty of new gun control in the works including a new assault weapons ban, which is supported by Obama. While not every gun owner owns an "assault weapon", they don't want to see them banned because they view it as an affront to the right to keep and bear arms. So yeah, no one is going to take all the guns away, but they do want to take some of the most popular rifles away.
2013-01-20 01:31:12 AM  
1 votes:

Confabulat: PaLarkin: The gun control crowd wants to ban guns

Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Gun nuts and the NRA cannot talk rationally about the topic though, because even these common-sense measures are greeted with "OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS" and other paranoid bullshiat. They can't be reasoned with.


The anti gun control crowd knows that this so called reasonable gun control is just a step on the road to a total ban of guns just like the pro abortion crowd knows the slightest regulation or restriction on abortion is a step on the road to banning abortion. So the pro abortion people are just as reluctant to compromise what they perceive as their right to an abortion as the pro gun people are about their right to own guns.

People who oppose being groped and sexually assaulted by the TSA drones don't like the loss of their 4th amendment rights to protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
2013-01-20 01:26:10 AM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.

I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

Seems to me that New York has defined it pretty well. Not sure what that has to do with background checks, though.


I am certain, then, that you will be able to demonstrate that a Ruger Mini-14 that does not qualify as an "assault weapon" by New York state law is a legitimate civilian firearm, while a Ruger Mini-14 equipped with a stock that features a pistol grip is a "kill-em-all weapon" suitable only for "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible". Please do so.
2013-01-20 01:24:35 AM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.


My penis is never irrelevant. And you're right, I'm ignorant on the topic, because I've gone my whole damn life and never needed any sort of assault weaponry.

Go figure. So why is so important to you? Be specific. I understand having hunting rifles, a shotgun, and a small personal firearm. Perfectly logical.

Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?
2013-01-20 01:20:48 AM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: Haliburton Cummings:


But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?


what a "gun control nut" problem family might look like:

"Steve come quick!"
"Linda what happened???"
"Little Tony was playing...by the bookcase...and the dictionary..it went off!"
"QUICK CALL BOOKMOBILE!!!"
"HIDE THE THESAURUS!!"


most rational folks are rational...most gun nuts are yelling screaming emotionally unstable fraidy cats.

cold dead hands etc... they have old queens like Heston come out and shill for them...
2013-01-20 01:14:32 AM  
1 votes:

Haliburton Cummings: actually, guntards crave power a they lack because of core psychological problems and most of that stems from sexual dysfunction...go read up.
so they buy lotsa guns..they pose with them...they take pictures of them..they even get on mssg boards and ramble on in great detail about them too.

why?

teennneee weeeenneee

now bend over and validate the position will you?



But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?
2013-01-20 01:06:28 AM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: There have been issues at fireworks stores/stands where people have lit off fireworks near by and caused the whole thing to go up in flames in minutes. I guess that means all fireworks stands everywhere are unsafe and we should close them down.

BTW, I bet there are more fireworks strand mishaps on 7/3 and 7/4 than any other day. I bet you could find a few incidents on the same day across this small, minimally populated country of ours and misleadingly tie them together into a trend that proves fireworks sellers are unsafe.

What about the tens of thousands of people who openly carried guns in nearly every state in the country with nary a single reported negligent discharge?


So your argument is that the American firearms society is, at best, equivalent in civicminded virtue and sound judgement as a hastily-erected illegal roadside fireworks kiosk. That's some damning praise.

This was the one day gun rights supporters had to show the nation its best and brightest, a rare moment to present the safer side of responsible ownership. And they shot themselves in the foot (and arm, hand and torso).

It's like the KKK holding a minority tolerance day and still having members say the N-word on camera. Comical evidence that the problem runs a little deeper than surface PR.
2013-01-20 01:01:25 AM  
1 votes:
Meanwhile, the rest of the civilised is world is sitting at home, enjoying their stable democracies without the need to bear guns, enjoying their peaceful gun-free homes and lives and low murder rates without the need to bear guns. the fact that suicide rates and accidental death rates from fire arms are lower is also a bonus.

Oh, and we're laughing at you America as the idiots amongst you lose their collective shiat from the fact that they may not have complete access to their fetish objects.
2013-01-20 01:01:24 AM  
1 votes:
I only wish this was not too big to post inline, as it pretty much sums up my feelings about this. And I used to love going to gun shows.
2013-01-20 01:00:12 AM  
1 votes:

Frank N Stein: Haliburton Cummings: Frank N Stein: Confabulat: Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Are you talking about AR-15s and such?

here we go again...

"that's not an assault rifle duuude..."

That's not what I'm getting at.


What ARE you getting at? I am happily ignorant of guns for the most part, because my penis is of normal size, but i grew up in a hunting family and I can see the use of a gun for that sort of activity.  You could put that in a grey area I think, wiser men that me could sort that out. But there's plenty of other legal weaponry out there that there's no such grey area--they exist only to kill people, and lots of them.
2013-01-20 12:52:10 AM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-20 12:46:09 AM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: Doc Daneeka: Three more responsible gun owners heard from!

On Gun Appreciation Day, no less!

And the shotgun guy was selling his, and I bet he wasn't a registered gun dealer, so he didn't have to perform a background check on whoever wanted to buy it.

/But no, there's no such thing as a "gun show loophole".


Yes because you can do that outside of a gun show. If you felt the need to buy my Remington 870 in my home state, I could sell it to you with nary a check just about anywhere you wanted outside of courthouses, school, and a few other places. Calling it a gun show exception is like saying there's a free way exception to driving.
2013-01-20 12:43:33 AM  
1 votes:
So, Sunday has now been declared Emergency Room Appreciation Day.
2013-01-20 12:33:23 AM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Fubini:
Like I said upthread, there are something like 80,000,000 gun owners in the country, and probably 5 or so of them did something stupid enough to injure another person (on accident, not counting malicious actions). If we had the same ratio of automobile accidents by car owners as we do with gun accidents by gun owners then we'd have about twenty car accidents daily. In the nation.

I don't know if that is a good analogy, there are maybe 50 to 80 million gun owners in the us, and 209 million licensed drivers. However deaths from guns will overtake deaths from cars maybe even this year, even though there are fewer gun owners than there are licensed drivers, and I have a feeling that people spend more time in their cars than using their guns.  Guns seem to be more dangerous than cars from that perspective.


I haven't done the numbers on total gun injuries, just accidental. According to mortality data from 2011, something like 500 people died that year from accidental gun shootings. If you assume gunshots are 95% survivable (which is the number I hear quoted most often, assuming you get medical attention), that means there were something like 10,000 total accidental gun injuries (including deaths)

A recent gallup poll on gun ownership found that 34% of national adults said that they personally owned a gun. According to Wikipedia, there are about 240,000,000 adults in the US, which gives us an estimated 80,000,000 total gun owners.

If you have 10,000 accidental injuries distributed uniformly across all gun owners, that means a gun owner has a yearly risk equal to 80M/10K = 1/8,000 of injuring someone. This is clearly a gross approximation, but it's an honest approximation within it's limits. This means that the average person would need to own a gun for 8000 years before they (statistically) injure someone.

If we use this number to run the same experiment I did above, using your number of 209M licensed car drivers with a yearly accident risk of 1/8000, we'd have 26,125 automobile accidents, yearly. According to census data, there were 10.8 million car accidents in 2009. From this very rough approximation, it's not looking good for car drivers.

Your criticism addresses one of my assumptions, which is that guns carry a perpetual risk of just being around. Your complaint is that guns are used much less frequently than cars are, on average, which is a completely legitimate complaint. To do so, let's make some assumptions and use that to calculate the average risk of gun usage on an hourly basis, and do that as well with cars.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that the 80,000,000 gun owners in the US will, on average, use their guns for one hour a week. This is a very messy assumption, because there are people who use guns in their job (like LEOs) who are in contact with their guns most of the day, and there are people like me who does guns 100% recreationally and goes to the range less than once per month. Then, you have an estimated 10,000 yearly accidental gun injuries and 80M*1hr/wk*52wk = 4160M total gun-hours per year. Thus, you have your accidental gun injuries uniformly distributed over all gun-hours and you get a 1/416,000 chance of accidental gun injury per gun-use-hour. If you assume that everyone is more like me (and say they spend one hour using a gun per month) you get a 1/96,000 chance of accidental gun injury per gun-use-hour. In decimal that's 0.0000024 and 0.000010, respectively.

For cars, we use the Census data of 10,8M car accidents per year. Assume we have 210M car drivers who spend 4 hours per day in their cars. You'd get 210M*4*365 = 306.6B total car-hours per year. If we randomly distribute all car accidents you get 10.8M/306.6B, which is 0.000035 chance of car accident per car-use-hour.

If you count out all the zeroes, you find that car usage is significantly more dangerous than gun usage in either case. On one extreme you get that car usage is 3.5 times more dangerous than gun usage (on an hourly basis), on the other extreme you get that car usage is 14.6 times more dangerous than gun usage is, on an accident-per-accident basis.

I'm sure there are lots of criticisms you can come up with of this analysis as well. For example, I don't know what kinds of car accidents are reported by the Census people, so perhaps gun accidents are much more severe than a lot of car accidents. Perhaps they're not. I'm just some jerk on the internet who likes to argue. However, I think that all the assumptions I've made are pretty reasonable, so the take-away message is that gun usage is definitely no more dangerous to society than car usage is on an hour-by-hour basis, and is in fact likely much safer. Which you'd expect, because people in general aren't idiots, and most of the ones who have guns have had it drilled into them from the start that GUNS ARE DANGEROUS and should be TREATED AS SUCH.
HBK
2013-01-20 12:20:34 AM  
1 votes:
There should be a safety class or maybe a range safety certification process to be able to purchase a gun. It's really just too easy.

Lots of gun owners out there who are too dumb or ignorant to own guns. Especially with the recent run on guns, you see idiots negligently pointing guns at people at the range and keeping their finger on the trigger whenever they're holding a gun. It's dangerous. Same goes with CHL. I know a fellow who shot a gun exactly once before taking the class and getting certified. Maybe they need an hours requirement like pilots have or something.

/gun owner
2013-01-20 12:17:41 AM  
1 votes:
Today was Gun Appreciation Day. Did see this; did you hear about this? There were five accidental shootings injuring eight people. This thing had more accidental discharges than the Spearamint Rhino's champagne room.

/read in Jay Leno's voice
2013-01-20 12:15:50 AM  
1 votes:

brewswane: the gun-control movement is a bunch of old, out-of-touch white people, clinging to the politics of the last century.


I'm an old, out-of-touch white guy, and I approve of this message.
2013-01-20 12:10:31 AM  
1 votes:
I like how accidental discharges of firearms are now on the same level as criminal acts with firearms. So a jack stand failing while changing the tire on my car and crushing my foot is the same as driving through a crowded farmers market with the intention of injuring people and taking lives.

Sounds about right.....

/how many millions were not hurt with firearms at gun shows today
//negativity and sensationalism works best for the media and ratings
2013-01-20 12:06:52 AM  
1 votes:

Shagbert: hubiestubert: Seriously. It's not hard to keep a weapon unloaded. And you should be treating EVERY weapon like it's loaded anyhow. What in the chocolate covered f*ck are these idiots thinking?
I have no idea why, but I'm sitting here laughing hysterically at "what in the chocolate covered f*ck".


They were thinking that maybe a murderous lib would show up and try to shoot them all, so they'd better be prepared.

/You know some of them did. Or hoped.
2013-01-20 12:03:15 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

Can YOU throw a "n*gger" in there too?

Account created: 2013-01-13 21:40:26

New troll is new.


Speaking of controls, there needs to be a lengthy waiting period for commenting after creating an account on Fark. 6 months sounds about right.
2013-01-19 11:58:11 PM  
1 votes:
Lighten up gun people. If environmentalists were holding Earth Appreciation Day gatherings today and someone accidentally dumped a bunch of oil into a river most of you would be howling with delight at the irony.

Also, stop pretending that guns aren't dangerous. Every time there's an accident it's because they were an irresponsible gun owner. Ya right. Accidents happen to even the best of us. Notice I'm not saying we should ban all guns, because I'm not. But to pretend that guns pose no risk, even to the most responsible owner, is ridiculous and makes it seem like you aren't discussing this issue in good faith.
2013-01-19 11:57:14 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

Can YOU throw a "n*gger" in there too?


Account created: 2013-01-13 21:40:26

New troll is new.
2013-01-19 11:55:55 PM  
1 votes:

GUTSU: I'm going to admit that you rustled my jimmies a little, just a little. They I think of how subdued you british are, it must be harsh living in Airstrip One.


don't let all the stupid out all at once now...

you are getting eaten alive in here...there are a few continents on the planet..countries too...even provinces and states...

i know your knowledge of things like "maps" and "geography" is limited to "two blocks then left...can't miss it..it has the seven and the two ones on the sign...whatever that means..." but that's no reason to make a complete fool of yourself now...
2013-01-19 11:55:43 PM  
1 votes:

GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.



i.imgur.com
2013-01-19 11:50:47 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Most gun owners are fairly responsible. The problem is, that there are enough yahoos and idiots who KEEP doing idiotic things, and NOT being castigated for it, by the community. Instead, we have folks who leap to the defense. Or to minimize their idiocy, which is the tack you're taking.


No, it reinforces the fact that human beings are terrible with large numbers. There are 310,000,000 guns in this country, there are going to be accidental shootings no matter how careful people are. No amount of carefulness is going to completely eliminate all accidents. The correct question is, "How responsible can we expect people to be?" If you expect people to be perfectly careful and never have any accidents, ever, then you're being unrealistic (you can put a mean-time-to-accident on a nuclear power plant, and those cost billions of dollars to operate).

The fact that we have 5-10 gun accidents daily with 80 million gun owners in the nation means that the overwhelming majority of those people are being perfectly responsible. Even if only one percent of gun owners handle their weapons on any given day (and you know it's way more than that because of people who use guns in their line of work) you'd have 5-10 gun accidents daily out of 800,000 people handling their guns. Which leads to an accident rate of one out of 80,000 gun uses per day. Meaning, every day you pick up your gun you have a 1/80,000 chance of accidentally injuring yourself or another. Statistically you'd have to pick up your gun and use it daily for over 200 years before accidentally injuring a human being.

As I've been saying all along, whether you think this means gun owners are responsible enough is up to you. But the fact that we've had a few gun injuries today means literally nothing other than we had a perfectly normal day. I've laid out the consequences for that perfectly normal day above.
2013-01-19 11:35:09 PM  
1 votes:
Did any books get shot? No? Treadmills then?
2013-01-19 11:30:38 PM  
1 votes:

Fubini: hubiestubert: Yes, accidents occur every day. That's still too many, but maybe if folks didn't illustrate why gun shows are hotbeds of recklessness, it might make a stronger case that the gun owning community IS responsible. These yahoos are only making it harder for folks who DO take gun safety seriously, and do you really want to defend idiocy of this level? Really? At which point does loading a weapon, in public, and handling it in an unsafe manner become acceptable and commonplace?

Don't forget to show your work.

My whole point is that this attitude reflects a total lack of thought. TFA says something like 4-5 people injured by guns today. That's pretty much exactly in line with what you'd expect, statistically. They're not "hotbeds or recklessness," it's business as usual. Whether you think five injuries and two deaths a day is too many is a totally separate question, but don't wave them around like suddenly the five injuries and two deaths that happened on "Gun Appreciation Day" somehow mean more than the five injuries and two deaths that happen any other day of the year.

Again, bear the absolute numbers in mind (and I apologize but these are probably not totally accurate, I'm not going to go look them up again just now). There are something like 310 million guns in the US, and something like 80 million gun owners. Out of those 80 million gun owners, we know that probably something like 3-5 managed to do something stupid enough to hurt another human being. And that's it. Those are the numbers when placed in the proper context. Whether you think that shows that gun owners are irresponsible and untrustworthy is up to you. But the fact that a few gun owners hurt themselves and others today shouldn't be the point of discussion.


The difficulty is the perception of gun shows being exactly that. And lo, the perception is now only intensified. This is the problem.

Most gun owners are fairly responsible. The problem is, that there are enough yahoos and idiots who KEEP doing idiotic things, and NOT being castigated for it, by the community. Instead, we have folks who leap to the defense. Or to minimize their idiocy, which is the tack you're taking.

It's not enough. It makes the gun owning community look bad, and it only reinforces perceptions of recklessness, and to be fair, in these cases, outright negligence. On a day when folks have been encouraged to go out an purchase arms, it is even more worse, because guess what? It only reinforces the perception that folks are reckless and careless. On a day when they were supposed to be doing EXACTLY the opposite. Minimizing that doesn't make it any better. The responsible community comes down on folks who endanger others, not make excuses for them.
2013-01-19 11:27:34 PM  
1 votes:

december: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

this is how fascism begins ... with seemingly innocent measures like mandatory zip-ties.

don't forget: those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither.



img151.imageshack.us
2013-01-19 11:27:27 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: elchip: Alonjar: You have a 0.0036% chance of being killed by a firearm, not counting intentional suicide.

SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.

What are the odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in America?

Shut. Down. Everything.

That's the funny thing. We spent billions on the TSA, who scrutinizes every passenger, and terrorists who wind up getting on planes anyway are taken down by.. regular people! We could have just saved that 60 billion, because ultimately, you can't trust your protection to anyone but yourself. People need to learn that, before life teaches them.
Eagerly awaiting the "Sure it didn't work at all, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still try the same thing!".


Kill. Everything. Now.
2013-01-19 11:26:44 PM  
1 votes:

hundreddollarman: The gun is always loaded
The gun is always loaded.
The gun is always loaded.

What part of that did these dumbasses not understand?


"Stop trying to steal their guns you goddamn liberal communist fascist gun-hating hippie NObama blowing traitor! 'MURKA! F*CK YEA!"

That part.
2013-01-19 11:19:02 PM  
1 votes:
Those shootings weren't accidental. They were due to negligence.

Reckless endangerment... and swing by later to pick up the rest of their weapons. I'm sick of farkwits like these and their 'accidents.'
2013-01-19 11:18:48 PM  
1 votes:

Alonjar: You have a 0.0036% chance of being killed by a firearm, not counting intentional suicide.

SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.


What are the odds of being killed in a terrorist attack in America?

Shut. Down. Everything.
2013-01-19 11:18:24 PM  
1 votes:
See, this is what happens when you remove God from gun shows.
2013-01-19 11:16:23 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Uh, Were there really 8 people shot at 5 shows or what that just an exaggeration?


I don't know about nationwide, but 3 people were struck with bird shot pellets when a shotgun was negligently discharged at the Raleigh NC show.
2013-01-19 11:14:44 PM  
1 votes:
Another example of why we need to get God back in our gun shows.
2013-01-19 11:13:57 PM  
1 votes:

brewswane: the gun-control movement is a bunch of old, out-of-touch white people, clinging to the politics of the last century.


That would be the 20th century, where the politics of this nation stopped the rise of Fascists, Nazis, Communists and Socialists in the various global and regional wars? True, those ideals may not have as many supporters today.
2013-01-19 11:12:48 PM  
1 votes:
gunappreciationday-psyclone.netdna-ssl.com

Everybody get that message?
2013-01-19 11:10:38 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: hubiestubert: Seriously. It's not hard to keep a weapon unloaded. And you should be treating EVERY weapon like it's loaded anyhow. What in the chocolate covered f*ck are these idiots thinking?

First you assume that they're thinking. This is a mistake.


It's like a watershed moment in the argument for mandatory gun licensing. We require folks to demonstrate basic vehicular safety before getting a vehicle license - it's time gun owners demonstrated basic firearm safety before being given a gun license. We're already equipped to give eye exams for vehicle licenses, so we're covered there, too.

Still means your grandmother isn't getting a Mossberg. Or a Mustang.
2013-01-19 11:08:58 PM  
1 votes:
The gun is always loaded
The gun is always loaded.
The gun is always loaded.

What part of that did these dumbasses not understand?
2013-01-19 11:06:32 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Seriously. It's not hard to keep a weapon unloaded. And you should be treating EVERY weapon like it's loaded anyhow. What in the chocolate covered f*ck are these idiots thinking?


First you assume that they're thinking. This is a mistake.
2013-01-19 11:06:04 PM  
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: scottapeshot: Epic gun thread.

This ain't even close to being an epic thread.


I don't think so, either. 3 or 4 gun threads a day have worn me out.
2013-01-19 11:05:34 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fortunately, we only lost 219 people today as the price we pay for the freedom to drink alcohol.

eagerly awaiting the typical "THAT'S DIFFERENT!" response from the alcoholics.


I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze. And if they do it's called a kegger and when people get alcohol poisoning it's considered funny as the gun equivalent it is here.
2013-01-19 11:02:55 PM  
1 votes:
Because these people were only hurt, I find this story funny.
However, if they had been killed, I would have found it hilarious.
2013-01-19 10:59:31 PM  
1 votes:

vygramul: Speaker2Animals: [i.imgur.com image 850x850]

There're a lot of irresponsible gun owners.


There are even more now. People who previously had little interest in shooting and/or firearms are running out to buy guns, thinking that this might be their last opportunity to do so before they are banned. (I am not saying that they will be banned.) I heard some downright scary conversations at the gun range last weekend. And it wasn't a "gun nut" that made it scary. It was someone who had absolutely no knowledge of guns, shooting, gun safety, etc. He even mentioned that guns scared him, but he wanted one "for defense." Salesman suggested that he rent a gun and take a 1-hour class offered by the range before buying. I thought that was logical.

My theory is that if they do ban high-capacity magazines and scary guns the next problem will be guns that are too small and too easy to conceal. So we'll see mass shootings with the assault rifles that are already out there, and more accidental shootings by people with pocket-guns and small handguns.
2013-01-19 10:58:45 PM  
1 votes:

fullerton: meanwhile, three cars crashed at the car show. an airplane crashed at an air show and a marathon runner died running a marathon.


The car drivers knew the risk, are wearing safety gear, and didn't crash into the spectators. The marathon runner didn't injure any innocent bystanders and died doing something that is of great health benefit for the vast majority of people involved in the sport. And the ones at the air show are the exact same idiots who go to gun shows.
2013-01-19 10:57:50 PM  
1 votes:
Seriously. It's not hard to keep a weapon unloaded. And you should be treating EVERY weapon like it's loaded anyhow. What in the chocolate covered f*ck are these idiots thinking?
2013-01-19 10:55:43 PM  
1 votes:

fullerton: meanwhile, three cars crashed at the car show. an airplane crashed at an air show and a marathon runner died running a marathon.


Did this imaginary marathon runner injure three other people on his way out?
2013-01-19 10:55:20 PM  
1 votes:
the gun-control movement is a bunch of old, out-of-touch white people, clinging to the politics of the last century.
2013-01-19 10:52:19 PM  
1 votes:
lh3.googleusercontent.com
2013-01-19 10:51:27 PM  
1 votes:
Statistically, 500 people are killed every year from accidental gun discharges. That means on average 1-2 deaths per day, and undoubtedly more injuries. Lots of people die and get injured every day for more stupid reasons than accidental discharge.

This is only "news" or "ironic" if you're totally uninformed.
2013-01-19 10:46:55 PM  
1 votes:

Xetal: We're up to what... 5 separate gun shows with people shot?


We like to call it "Interactive Gun Shows".
2013-01-19 10:46:53 PM  
1 votes:

Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut


^^^What he said. People like this aren't helping at all. farking idiots.
Loaded or not, get your booger hook off the bang switch!
2013-01-19 10:46:53 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!

The NRA successfully lobbied Congress to remove the zip-tie restriction on our freedoms in 2003.


Thanks for clearing that up.  I've never been to a gun show, but in every photo or video of one that I've seen I could not recall any zip-ties.

I've seen zip-ties required to keep swords and axes in their scabbards at Renaissance Festivals.  I  guess the pointy-sharpy nuts don't have a strong lobby.
2013-01-19 10:46:34 PM  
1 votes:
There really aren't enough faces and palms to adequately show my appall...
2013-01-19 10:44:11 PM  
1 votes:

Allen. The end.: FilmKitty: What's really surprising is nobody returned fire.

Actually, that is surprising. And scary...


It's pretty hard to return fire when you're bravely waddling for the exit as fast as your legs can carry you while streams of panicked urine are dripping down your legs.
2013-01-19 10:43:56 PM  
1 votes:

Tarl3k: I believe there is an irony tag...


But this is not ironic. There are a LOT of idiots out there with firearms. This is to be expected. Obvious tag couldn't be more appropriate.
2013-01-19 10:40:54 PM  
1 votes:

FilmKitty: What's really surprising is nobody returned fire.


Actually, that is surprising. And scary...
2013-01-19 10:39:48 PM  
1 votes:

Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut


THIS! I like shooting, and DAMMIT why didn't CHeney have his permit revoked???

I mean, I know why, but still...
2013-01-19 10:36:43 PM  
1 votes:
Thanks responsible gun owners. I feel safer already.
2013-01-19 10:36:23 PM  
1 votes:
i2.ytimg.com

"It's not that bad, people get shot all the time."
2013-01-19 10:34:23 PM  
1 votes:
I hope the people who were shot appreciated it.
2013-01-19 10:30:32 PM  
1 votes:
If only everyone at the gun show was armed, this wouldn't happen, amirite?

/Did RTFA
2013-01-19 10:29:00 PM  
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Speaker2Animals: [i.imgur.com image 850x850]


UH....those would be the irresponsible gun owners....so your argument is invalid.
2013-01-19 10:28:01 PM  
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Make that 5 dumbasses shot.

http://www.wral.com/5-hurt-in-shootings-at-gun-shows-in-ohio-ind-nc/1 2 001560/
2013-01-19 10:23:58 PM  
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Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?
2013-01-19 10:15:26 PM  
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Codenamechaz: Sim Tree: When the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.

WHAT?! In the act of removing your gun from its case, you accidentally shot three entirely different people?! WTFingHell are you doing?!

I think the better question is "Why the hell was your gun on display LOADED?!"


Reading comprehension people.

A. It wasn't "on display". He was entering the building and passing a safety check point asked to demonstrate the gun was "clear". Clearly he failed the check.
B. Apparently you don't understand how a shotgun works. Hitting 3 people simultaneously is quite easy. Notice how it says two of them in the hand and one in the torso. Depending on the size of the "shot", several dozen bb sized....well bbs.... are ejected at high velocity and scatter out the end. The diameter of the pattern being directly related to the distance from the end of the barrel. If the people injured were 20 or 30 yards away standing in a group it is quite possible to hit several at once.

Oh and clearly he's very stupid of course.
2013-01-19 09:30:23 PM  
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doyner: eddievercetti: doyner: eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!

The NRA successfully lobbied Congress to remove the zip-tie restriction on our freedoms in 2003.

Please tell me you're joking...*looks it up*...are you kidding me?

I just made that up with a heaping helping of poe slaw.


Dammit, you ruined the joke. We were supposed to let them figure it out.
2013-01-19 09:24:36 PM  
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eddievercetti: doyner: eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!

The NRA successfully lobbied Congress to remove the zip-tie restriction on our freedoms in 2003.

Please tell me you're joking...*looks it up*...are you kidding me?


I just made that up with a heaping helping of poe slaw.
2013-01-19 09:22:22 PM  
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Codenamechaz: Sim Tree: When the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.

WHAT?! In the act of removing your gun from its case, you accidentally shot three entirely different people?! WTFingHell are you doing?!

I think the better question is "Why the hell was your gun on display LOADED?!"


Good question. Next question is "How the hell does the buyer not know basic gun safety rules?"
2013-01-19 08:47:01 PM  
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I suspect those people did not appreciate guns quite so much after that.
2013-01-19 08:44:35 PM  
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You getting shot at a gun Show is like getting run over by a car at a car show.
2013-01-19 08:35:44 PM  
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In before the Outraged RightTM demand that more armed guards are needed at gun shows to prevent future tragedies....
 
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