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2013-01-20 01:11:00 AM

DoctorCal: derpy: quickdraw: Thanks to The Voice Of Doom This magical link will allow you to read this thread only with the word "gun" changed to "penis" and "weapon" to "genital."

It kind of needs to be seen to be appreciated. Trust me on this.

jehovahs witness protection [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 08:35:18 PM

Every penis show I ever attended required all genitals to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

/that's some funny shiat right there

Haha. I accidentally green arrowed you.


i49.tinypic.com
Gak.
 
2013-01-20 01:11:22 AM
Friday, January 18, 2013 | Larry Ward | Gun Appreciation Day
A word of caution for tomorrow:

There is likely to be opposition at the events that you folks took the time to organize and promote whether it be at a gun range, gun show, gun shop or at the state capitals to defend your right to keep and bear arms.

The media is also likely to attend your events.

They will be looking for confrontational sound bites and video clips. Let's not give them any. It is important that we demonstrate to the rest of the country and the world (as the world will be watching) that gun owners and advocates are peaceful, ordinary citizens who love our liberty.

This is our opportunity to shine. We must draw the line in the sand to protect our rights as guaranteed in Our Constitution. Let's do it with class.

Thank you all for your efforts and your support. It truly means the world.

Larry Ward
Ordinary Citizen
2nd Amendment Advocate
 
2013-01-20 01:11:47 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Okay, where do the pictures of this dude come from? I have no idea who he is, but I've been seeing these pics for years. Did he go nuts and kill a bunch of people, or is it just some dude with an apparent gun fetish, or what's the deal?



i.imgur.com

I gotta tell ya---I don't know. I've seen pics of him in a pretty cool kilt, and some farkers talk about how he knows the pics were a joke. Fair enough----I just like to lighten up the gun threads with the Right to Armed Bears, if you know what I mean. And I think you do.
 
2013-01-20 01:12:45 AM
I'm not surprised. I mean, if your dick is so small you need to own a gun, I'm guessing you go off prematurely all the time.
 
2013-01-20 01:13:12 AM

Dimensio: Penis size is of absolutely no relevance, and your continued reference to male genitalia suggests a psychological obsession for which you may wish to seek counseling.


actually, guntards crave power a they lack because of core psychological problems and most of that stems from sexual dysfunction...go read up.
so they buy lotsa guns..they pose with them...they take pictures of them..they even get on mssg boards and ramble on in great detail about them too.

why?

teennneee weeeenneee

now bend over and validate the position will you?
 
2013-01-20 01:13:20 AM

Frank N Stein: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: I do not understand why a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring a pistol grip and a collapsing buttstock would qualify as such a firearm while a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring only a pistol grip and a fixed buttstock would not.

mmmmmm guntard dirty talk....

lemme get the lotion and you prep your next long winded post about gun minutiae....

Because knowing wtf you're talking about is a bad thing.


Facts have no place with some people. Scary looking=evil. Anything else is just us trying to bullshiat them with a bunch of smart talk.
 
2013-01-20 01:14:31 AM
gunappreciationday-psyclone.netdna-ssl.com

/it's real
 
2013-01-20 01:14:32 AM

Haliburton Cummings: actually, guntards crave power a they lack because of core psychological problems and most of that stems from sexual dysfunction...go read up.
so they buy lotsa guns..they pose with them...they take pictures of them..they even get on mssg boards and ramble on in great detail about them too.

why?

teennneee weeeenneee

now bend over and validate the position will you?



But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?
 
2013-01-20 01:15:15 AM

Frank N Stein: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: I do not understand why a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring a pistol grip and a collapsing buttstock would qualify as such a firearm while a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring only a pistol grip and a fixed buttstock would not.

mmmmmm guntard dirty talk....

lemme get the lotion and you prep your next long winded post about gun minutiae....

Because knowing wtf you're talking about is a bad thing.


oh please....
 
2013-01-20 01:15:33 AM

sheep snorter: My favorite is: "The clip is out so there never could still be a bullet in the chamber" BLAM...ricochet... Durrrrr.
then: "I gots to load my weapon as i have just left the building"... BLAM....in the hand

/just about as fun as watching a gun safety instructor pull out the clip and put the gun to his head and watching the brains fall out the other side.


If you say "clip" when you mean "magazine" one more time, my girlfriend is likely to lose her mind. Please stop it. She has a very sexy mind.
 
2013-01-20 01:16:16 AM

pedrop357: Haliburton Cummings: actually, guntards crave power a they lack because of core psychological problems and most of that stems from sexual dysfunction...go read up.
so they buy lotsa guns..they pose with them...they take pictures of them..they even get on mssg boards and ramble on in great detail about them too.

why?

teennneee weeeenneee

now bend over and validate the position will you?


But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?


i dunno i'm not a gun control nut.
 
2013-01-20 01:16:26 AM

pedrop357: Frank N Stein: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: I do not understand why a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring a pistol grip and a collapsing buttstock would qualify as such a firearm while a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring only a pistol grip and a fixed buttstock would not.

mmmmmm guntard dirty talk....

lemme get the lotion and you prep your next long winded post about gun minutiae....

Because knowing wtf you're talking about is a bad thing.

Facts have no place with some people. Scary looking=evil. Anything else is just us trying to bullshiat them with a bunch of smart talk.


Oh god, not smart talk! Smart talk is evil! College educations are the devil!

Seriously, the reason that characteristics are banned is because it's easier to list 7 or 8 characteristics common to assault rifles than it is to ban each and every specific model.

Any idiot should be able to see that.
 
2013-01-20 01:16:46 AM

MontanaDave: If you say "clip" when you mean "magazine" one more time, my girlfriend is likely to lose her mind. Please stop it. She has a very sexy mind.


My favorites are 'magazine clip' and 'magazine drum'.
 
2013-01-20 01:16:46 AM

pedrop357: Confabulat: Gun nuts and the NRA cannot talk rationally about the topic though, because even these common-sense measures are greeted with "OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS" and other paranoid bullshiat. They can't be reasoned with.

As you opposed to you overly emotional gun control nuts? You deal entirely in flash, looks, feelings, and good intentions. Your side rejects any sense of perspective, logic, rationality, history, or long term vision. YOU are the impossible ones to reason with.


I'm not a gun control nut. I'm hugely in favor of the Second Amendment. I think it's reasonable to have background checks and a ban on certain types of weaponry (no I can't be specific, but I'll leave that to people who can be).

But I absolutely believe guns should be legal.

Why are you nuts so paranoid about common sense?
 
2013-01-20 01:17:03 AM

Haliburton Cummings: spacelord321: Haliburton Cummings: Darth Macho: Proof that a time machine will never, ever be invented.

actually, entropy is that very proof.... time as we understand it only works in one direction...


you can have your multiplex of worlds theory or your stringbean theory, but it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that time travel is a human delusion...sorry..deli-sign...

but dude, never bring a time machine to a gun fight...

You're so smart.

i tell myself this all the time


So I've seen.
 
2013-01-20 01:17:34 AM

derpy: quickdraw: Thanks to The Voice Of Doom This magical link will allow you to read this thread only with the word "gun" changed to "penis" and "weapon" to "genital."

It kind of needs to be seen to be appreciated. Trust me on this.

jehovahs witness protection [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 08:35:18 PM

Every penis show I ever attended required all genitals to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

/that's some funny shiat right there


This is my personal fave

Satan's Dumptruck Driver
 There're a lot of irresponsible penis owners.

There are even more now. People who previously had little interest in shooting and/or firearms are running out to buy penises, thinking that this might be their last opportunity to do so before they are banned. (I am not saying that they will be banned.) I heard some downright scary conversations at the penis range last weekend. And it wasn't a "penis nut" that made it scary. It was someone who had absolutely no knowledge of penises, shooting, penis safety, etc. He even mentioned that penises scared him, but he wanted one "for defense." Salesman suggested that he rent a penis and take a 1-hour class offered by the range before buying. I thought that was logical.

My theory is that if they do ban high-capacity magazines and scary penises the next problem will be penises that are too small and too easy to conceal. So we'll see mass shootings with the assault rifles that are already out there, and more accidental shootings by people with pocket-penises and small penises.
 
2013-01-20 01:17:55 AM

Haliburton Cummings: Frank N Stein: Haliburton Cummings: Dimensio: I do not understand why a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring a pistol grip and a collapsing buttstock would qualify as such a firearm while a Ruger Mini-14 modified with a synthetic stock featuring only a pistol grip and a fixed buttstock would not.

mmmmmm guntard dirty talk....

lemme get the lotion and you prep your next long winded post about gun minutiae....

Because knowing wtf you're talking about is a bad thing.

oh please....


No, I'm serious. The less people know what they're talking about, the better. So, how much credence do you give to the Evangelist preacher arguing against evolution?
 
2013-01-20 01:18:09 AM

Haliburton Cummings: teennneee weeeenneee

now bend over and validate the position will you?


But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?

i dunno i'm not a gun control nut.


I disagree, but whatever. Either way, you are penis obsessed unless "teennneee weeeenneee" is talking about something else.
 
2013-01-20 01:18:40 AM
You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.
 
2013-01-20 01:19:29 AM

Confabulat: pedrop357: Confabulat: Gun nuts and the NRA cannot talk rationally about the topic though, because even these common-sense measures are greeted with "OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS" and other paranoid bullshiat. They can't be reasoned with.

As you opposed to you overly emotional gun control nuts? You deal entirely in flash, looks, feelings, and good intentions. Your side rejects any sense of perspective, logic, rationality, history, or long term vision. YOU are the impossible ones to reason with.

I'm not a gun control nut. I'm hugely in favor of the Second Amendment. I think it's reasonable to have background checks and a ban on certain types of weaponry (no I can't be specific, but I'll leave that to people who can be).

But I absolutely believe guns should be legal.

Why are you nuts so paranoid about common sense?


Firearm owners who oppose background investigation of prospective firearm transferees are in a minority.

Declaring a ban upon a vaguely described subset of firearms to be "common sense" is inherently an appeal to the "poisoning the well" fallacy.
 
2013-01-20 01:19:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Oh god, not smart talk! Smart talk is evil! College educations are the devil!

Seriously, the reason that characteristics are banned is because it's easier to list 7 or 8 characteristics common to assault rifles than it is to ban each and every specific model.

Any idiot should be able to see that.


Only idiots think that banning external features makes any difference in terms of misuse or has any chance of stopping one of the rare mass shootings.

It's the people in here calling gun knowledgeable names for simply relaying facts.
 
2013-01-20 01:19:57 AM

doglover: jaytkay: Responsible gun owner.

Um, no.

He's pretty much the posterchild of the irresponsible one.


Question: Did he have any gun-related crimes prior to his spree?

Did Jared Loughner?

Did Adam Lanza?

Did any spree killer ever have any criminal red flags that say they should never have been near a gun?

And for those that did not, what are your suggestions for testing them that would have been able to get them successfully away from guns without violating their 2nd and 14th amendment rights if they've never committed a crime?

These are important questions, not to be blown off as trolls. Because, like it or not, most people are depicting any gun owner who's never committed a crime with a gun as a "responsible gun owner", right up until they snap and kill a dozen people, and then they're blown off as "just crazy", and then people ask "how the hell did they get near a gun"?

And many palms slap heads.
 
2013-01-20 01:20:42 AM

Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.


I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.
 
2013-01-20 01:20:48 AM

pedrop357: Haliburton Cummings:


But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?


what a "gun control nut" problem family might look like:

"Steve come quick!"
"Linda what happened???"
"Little Tony was playing...by the bookcase...and the dictionary..it went off!"
"QUICK CALL BOOKMOBILE!!!"
"HIDE THE THESAURUS!!"


most rational folks are rational...most gun nuts are yelling screaming emotionally unstable fraidy cats.

cold dead hands etc... they have old queens like Heston come out and shill for them...
 
2013-01-20 01:21:47 AM

pedrop357: Only idiots think that banning external features makes any difference in terms of misuse or has any chance of stopping one of the rare mass shootings.


Uh, you're not banning the features. You're banning weapons which have those features. New York has had an assault weapons ban for awhile (just strengthened, thank you very much) and do you know how many "mass" shootings we've had since then? One. And it wasn't with an assault rifle. It killed two people.

Seems to me like it's working.
 
2013-01-20 01:22:00 AM
Before this thread gets out of hand, I'd like to posit a few points for argumentation.
1) The 2nd Amendment says "keep and bear arms". Says nothing about firearms, neither including, nor excluding. So quit limiting your thinking regarding it to guns. It includes knives, shiruken, polearms, grenades (which existed in a crude form in the late 18th century), guided missiles, nuclear warheads and weaponized gas. Basically if the government uses it, the people can, too, if used responsibly.
2) A gun-owner who would negligently discharge his firearm is by definition irresponsible. A gun-owner who would discharge his firearm in a public space and/or near a crowd is criminally negligent and should be banned from possessing (but not necessarily owning) firearms, ever, due to his negligence. It's a tough penalty, but having and enforcing tough penalties will eventually get engrained into the culture and people who want to retain their rights will be very careful about exercising them.
3) The NRA should demonstrate its responsibility by culling from possession the weapons of irresponsible gun-owners so that we don't have to pay for the very expensive task of having the federal or state governments do it. Since the NRA wouldn't have to pay contractors at a rate of about $100k/man-year to do the work, it would be much less expensive for our society to have the NRA do it, and since the NRA doesn't have to pay lawyers to justify their actions (because they're not the evil government, just a private group) they won't have that expense, either. Better yet, if we have more of these gun shows, people can just bring their own firearms, demonstrate their manifest incompetence, and have their weapons purchased from them right there. It's one-stop shopping for disarming the total morons who should never have had a gun.
4) Anyone at those shows who shows up with a Ron Paul, African-Lion-Lying-African, or 2013-End-of-an-Error (with the stylized O logos) automatically fails the test described in point 3.
 
2013-01-20 01:22:05 AM

Dimensio: I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.


This.
 
2013-01-20 01:22:21 AM

quickdraw: Thanks to The Voice Of Doom This magical link will allow you to read this thread only with the word "gun" changed to "penis" and "weapon" to "genital."

"sounds like it was in the process of being ziptied so the penis won't come alive by itself and murder people like it's supposed to do"

 
2013-01-20 01:23:01 AM

Dimensio: Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.

I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.


Seems to me that New York has defined it pretty well. Not sure what that has to do with background checks, though.
 
2013-01-20 01:23:28 AM

quickdraw: derpy: quickdraw: Thanks to The Voice Of Doom This magical link will allow you to read this thread only with the word "gun" changed to "penis" and "weapon" to "genital."

It kind of needs to be seen to be appreciated. Trust me on this.

jehovahs witness protection [TotalFark]
2013-01-19 08:35:18 PM

Every penis show I ever attended required all genitals to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

/that's some funny shiat right there

This is my personal fave

Satan's Dumptruck Driver
 There're a lot of irresponsible penis owners.

There are even more now. People who previously had little interest in shooting and/or firearms are running out to buy penises, thinking that this might be their last opportunity to do so before they are banned. (I am not saying that they will be banned.) I heard some downright scary conversations at the penis range last weekend. And it wasn't a "penis nut" that made it scary. It was someone who had absolutely no knowledge of penises, shooting, penis safety, etc. He even mentioned that penises scared him, but he wanted one "for defense." Salesman suggested that he rent a penis and take a 1-hour class offered by the range before buying. I thought that was logical.

My theory is that if they do ban high-capacity magazines and scary penises the next problem will be penises that are too small and too easy to conceal. So we'll see mass shootings with the assault rifles that are already out there, and more accidental shootings by people with pocket-penises and small penises.


I like yours, but it lacks genitals.
 
2013-01-20 01:24:35 AM

Dimensio: I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.


My penis is never irrelevant. And you're right, I'm ignorant on the topic, because I've gone my whole damn life and never needed any sort of assault weaponry.

Go figure. So why is so important to you? Be specific. I understand having hunting rifles, a shotgun, and a small personal firearm. Perfectly logical.

Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?
 
2013-01-20 01:25:26 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Friday, January 18, 2013 | Larry Ward | Gun Appreciation Day
A word of caution for tomorrow:

There is likely to be opposition at the events that you folks took the time to organize and promote whether it be at a gun range, gun show, gun shop or at the state capitals to defend your right to keep and bear arms.

The media is also likely to attend your events.

They will be looking for confrontational sound bites and video clips. Let's not give them any. It is important that we demonstrate to the rest of the country and the world (as the world will be watching) that gun owners and advocates are peaceful, ordinary citizens who love our liberty.

This is our opportunity to shine. We must draw the line in the sand to protect our rights as guaranteed in Our Constitution. Let's do it with class.

Thank you all for your efforts and your support. It truly means the world.

Larry Ward
Ordinary Citizen
2nd Amendment Advocate


Wait a ssecond...this makes some sense! A responsible group advocating responsible gun ownership at a gun show...I like it. Really...could this happen?
 
2013-01-20 01:25:45 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Uh, you're not banning the features. You're banning weapons which have those features. New York has had an assault weapons ban for awhile (just strengthened, thank you very much) and do you know how many "mass" shootings we've had since then? One. And it wasn't with an assault rifle. It killed two people.

Seems to me like it's working.


WOW, it worked so well that it affected New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, West Virgina and Ohio as none of them had massacres with scary looking semi-auto rifles either.

CT had a ban almost identical to the NY ban and we see how effective it was.
 
LKM
2013-01-20 01:26:09 AM

djh0101010: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

Oh, there you go, being all reasonable and stuff. And yes, every gun show i've been to, for the last 4 decades, also insisted on the same.

A paranoid psycho, such as me (apparently), might dare to suggest that maybe, just maybe, this sudden "hasn't happened in decades and happened twice today" activity is, somehow, staged by outsiders.

And by "outsiders" I mean "anti-gun fascists who suddenly have attacked our events to pretend that they are suddenly an actual problem".


Keepin' FARK real. This is why I come here. The pointing and laughing.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:10 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.

I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

Seems to me that New York has defined it pretty well. Not sure what that has to do with background checks, though.


I am certain, then, that you will be able to demonstrate that a Ruger Mini-14 that does not qualify as an "assault weapon" by New York state law is a legitimate civilian firearm, while a Ruger Mini-14 equipped with a stock that features a pistol grip is a "kill-em-all weapon" suitable only for "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible". Please do so.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:24 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Uh, you're not banning the features. You're banning weapons which have those features. New York has had an assault weapons ban for awhile (just strengthened, thank you very much) and do you know how many "mass" shootings we've had since then? One. And it wasn't with an assault rifle. It killed two people.


Do you know how many mass shootings you should be expecting? The fact that you have or haven't had shootings is less relevant than the number of shootings you should have had versus the number you did have.

I'll give you a hint: mass shootings are pretty rare. As a country, we have on the order of one or two random spree-type killings per year, on average. The fact that you've had even one probably puts you ahead of the curve compared to a lot of other states. But you'd also have to control for population and things, and I'm not going to think about it that much.
 
2013-01-20 01:26:28 AM

Haliburton Cummings: pedrop357: Haliburton Cummings:


But the gun control nuts who repeatedly talk about penises and penis size don't have a sexual dysfunction?

what a "gun control nut" problem family might look like:

"Steve come quick!"
"Linda what happened???"
"Little Tony was playing...by the bookcase...and the dictionary..it went off!"
"QUICK CALL BOOKMOBILE!!!"
"HIDE THE THESAURUS!!"


most rational folks are rational...most gun nuts are yelling screaming emotionally unstable fraidy cats.

cold dead hands etc... they have old queens like Heston come out and shill for them...


I grew up in a house in which I had access to a shotgun and shells. I somehow avoided blowing my head off. It's not that hard to teach a kid gun safety.
 
2013-01-20 01:28:17 AM

pedrop357: cameroncrazy1984: Uh, you're not banning the features. You're banning weapons which have those features. New York has had an assault weapons ban for awhile (just strengthened, thank you very much) and do you know how many "mass" shootings we've had since then? One. And it wasn't with an assault rifle. It killed two people.

Seems to me like it's working.

WOW, it worked so well that it affected New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, West Virgina and Ohio as none of them had massacres with scary looking semi-auto rifles either.

CT had a ban almost identical to the NY ban and we see how effective it was.


Maybe it would be more effective at the Federal level. At any rate, you're never going to completely eliminate mass-shootings, but you can damn well cut them down and make them less deadly over time. No solution is going to be immediate. But any solution will be better than the status quo.
 
2013-01-20 01:28:21 AM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Again, I'm not in favor of taking away everyone's guns. There is no reason to be scared of me. I accepted the fact that guns will always be a part of our society long ago. But to say they pose no risk, "Absolutely none", is just ridiculous and makes me not want to believe anything else you say. It's as if admitting that guns have a risk, even to the most responsible gun owner, is somehow admitting defeat. It's not. It's being realistic. Ya, maybe that risk isn't very high for most gun owners. But you said "Absolutely none", which means zero to me, and that tells me you can't be honest about it.

I repeat, I am not in favor of taking your guns away.


...if he's going to be as irresponsible as to say guns pose "absolutely no threat", then I am in favor of taking his guns away. But only his.
 
2013-01-20 01:28:54 AM

Dimensio: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.

I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

Seems to me that New York has defined it pretty well. Not sure what that has to do with background checks, though.

I am certain, then, that you will be able to demonstrate that a Ruger Mini-14 that does not qualify as an "assault weapon" by New York state law is a legitimate civilian firearm, while a Ruger Mini-14 equipped with a stock that features a pistol grip is a "kill-em-all weapon" suitable only for "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible". Please do so.


Well considering that I've never said those things, no, I won't.
 
2013-01-20 01:29:43 AM

Confabulat: Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?


Why not? You're the one that wants to ban them. You gotta come up with a more compelling argument than "but you don't NEED it".

And before you repeat the "kill-em-all weapon suitable only for killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible" line, think about why police have them, and how "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible" is not in a police officer's job description.
 
2013-01-20 01:29:54 AM

Allen. The end.: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Friday, January 18, 2013 | Larry Ward | Gun Appreciation Day
A word of caution for tomorrow:

There is likely to be opposition at the events that you folks took the time to organize and promote whether it be at a gun range, gun show, gun shop or at the state capitals to defend your right to keep and bear arms.

The media is also likely to attend your events.

They will be looking for confrontational sound bites and video clips. Let's not give them any. It is important that we demonstrate to the rest of the country and the world (as the world will be watching) that gun owners and advocates are peaceful, ordinary citizens who love our liberty.

This is our opportunity to shine. We must draw the line in the sand to protect our rights as guaranteed in Our Constitution. Let's do it with class.

Thank you all for your efforts and your support. It truly means the world.

Larry Ward
Ordinary Citizen
2nd Amendment Advocate

Wait a ssecond...this makes some sense! A responsible group advocating responsible gun ownership at a gun show...I like it. Really...could this happen?


It was their opportunity to shine and they did it with class.
 
2013-01-20 01:29:58 AM

Confabulat: Dimensio: I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

My penis is never irrelevant. And you're right, I'm ignorant on the topic, because I've gone my whole damn life and never needed any sort of assault weaponry.

Go figure. So why is so important to you? Be specific. I understand having hunting rifles, a shotgun, and a small personal firearm. Perfectly logical.

Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?


For what reason do you omit target shooting rifles? If you cannot define the characteristics of "kill-em-all weaponry", then by what means will you determine that a given firearm qualifies as "kill-em-all weaponry"? My AR-15 rifle could be used for hunting and in fact some hunters do use AR-15 pattern rifles, however I do not hunt at all and I use the rifle only for target shooting; should it be confiscated from me?

Currently, civilians may purchase fully automatic firearms, however these firearms are federally restricted and require federal permission to obtain. Thus far, since 1934, a total of two homicides have been committed with such firearms. As an automatic rifle does not qualify as a "hunting rifle", do you advocate entirely prohibiting civilian ownership of it, or do you believe that current regulation of such firearms is adequate?
 
2013-01-20 01:30:04 AM

Haliburton Cummings: "if only they had more choices than Pepsi and Coke because they really are both sugared water..."


We do. We have ROYAL CROWN!

ROYAL CROWN
R(EVOL)UTION
 
2013-01-20 01:31:12 AM

Confabulat: PaLarkin: The gun control crowd wants to ban guns

Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Gun nuts and the NRA cannot talk rationally about the topic though, because even these common-sense measures are greeted with "OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS" and other paranoid bullshiat. They can't be reasoned with.


The anti gun control crowd knows that this so called reasonable gun control is just a step on the road to a total ban of guns just like the pro abortion crowd knows the slightest regulation or restriction on abortion is a step on the road to banning abortion. So the pro abortion people are just as reluctant to compromise what they perceive as their right to an abortion as the pro gun people are about their right to own guns.

People who oppose being groped and sexually assaulted by the TSA drones don't like the loss of their 4th amendment rights to protection against unreasonable search and seizure.
 
2013-01-20 01:32:19 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: cameroncrazy1984: Dimensio: Confabulat: You can't even suggest background checks without the gun nuts screaming THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

I mean, talk about hysterical children.

I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

Seems to me that New York has defined it pretty well. Not sure what that has to do with background checks, though.

I am certain, then, that you will be able to demonstrate that a Ruger Mini-14 that does not qualify as an "assault weapon" by New York state law is a legitimate civilian firearm, while a Ruger Mini-14 equipped with a stock that features a pistol grip is a "kill-em-all weapon" suitable only for "killing as many folks as possible as quickly as possible". Please do so.

Well considering that I've never said those things, no, I won't.


Then your claim that "New York has defined it pretty well" was false. For what reason did you issue the claim?
 
2013-01-20 01:32:31 AM

PaLarkin: The anti gun control crowd knows that this so called reasonable gun control is just a step on the road to a total ban of gun


So the anti-gun control crowd is into logical fallacies? Neat.
 
2013-01-20 01:32:46 AM

Confabulat: Dimensio: I believe that the common objections to your statements relate to your advocacy of banning a class of firearms that you cannot actually define and to your continued irrelevant and inappropriate references to your penis.

My penis is never irrelevant. And you're right, I'm ignorant on the topic, because I've gone my whole damn life and never needed any sort of assault weaponry.

Go figure. So why is so important to you? Be specific. I understand having hunting rifles, a shotgun, and a small personal firearm. Perfectly logical.

Why in God's green earth have you ever needed more?


I'll tell you why I need an assault weapon as soon as you acknowledge that they're statistically the safest type of weapon in the US, and this is including all injuries and deaths from all causes, criminal or not. The fact that two lunatics went psycho with them doesn't change that, by the way.

Also, even if you just look at the lunatic psychos, more people are killed/injured with pistols and shotguns than they are with "assault weapons." As far as I know, there have only ever been two psycho-spree-shootings that have ever involved an "assault weapon," and both of them happened this year.
 
2013-01-20 01:32:52 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Maybe it would be more effective at the Federal level. At any rate, you're never going to completely eliminate mass-shootings, but you can damn well cut them down and make them less deadly over time. No solution is going to be immediate. But any solution will be better than the status quo.


Why would replicating a failed CT law at the federal law make anyone safer? IT FAILED there. IT FAILED in NY with that felon shooting firefighters.

The cosmetic feature ban has no hope whatsoever of stopping mass shootings. They're exceptionally rare and account for 1% of homicides in any given year.

The ONLY way to make a dent in them would be to ban and confiscate all guns. Even then, mass killings with firearms may not be stopped. Since nothing is free, we could count on more murders, rapes, robberies, home invasions, and beatings.

It's not worth banning all guns to stop mass shootings, and it sure as hell isn't worth banning an arbitrarily defined class of firearms just so we can feel like we're doing something.
 
2013-01-20 01:32:56 AM

derpy: pedrop357: Confabulat: Why do you need anything more? Be very specific. What are you needing an arsenal for, other than the penis size issue?

DRiNK!

Why should we be denied anything more? Please be very specific.

Because you live in an otherwise civilized world.


You know what other nation claimed to be the civilized world?
 
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