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2013-01-19 11:27:34 PM

december: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

this is how fascism begins ... with seemingly innocent measures like mandatory zip-ties.

don't forget: those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither.



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2013-01-19 11:28:20 PM

GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.


100/100

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2013-01-19 11:28:29 PM

Kome: hundreddollarman: The gun is always loaded
The gun is always loaded.
The gun is always loaded.

What part of that did these dumbasses not understand?

"Stop trying to steal their guns you goddamn liberal communist fascist gun-hating hippie NObama blowing traitor! 'MURKA! F*CK YEA!"

That part.


Nah, I think they just thought the gun was unloaded.
 
2013-01-19 11:28:53 PM

GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.


I'm the same as you. I figured the Republicans would be in office whenever things got that bad.
 
2013-01-19 11:29:40 PM

Fubini: But the fact that a few gun owners hurt themselves and others today shouldn't be the point of discussion.


You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.

Then shooting themselves and each other.
 
2013-01-19 11:29:57 PM
Believe it or not this is actually normal, it's just that we don't usually hear about it. Guns are the current "in" thing for news to report on.
 
2013-01-19 11:29:59 PM
Exxon Sploog is here. This should get good now.
 
2013-01-19 11:30:38 PM

Fubini: hubiestubert: Yes, accidents occur every day. That's still too many, but maybe if folks didn't illustrate why gun shows are hotbeds of recklessness, it might make a stronger case that the gun owning community IS responsible. These yahoos are only making it harder for folks who DO take gun safety seriously, and do you really want to defend idiocy of this level? Really? At which point does loading a weapon, in public, and handling it in an unsafe manner become acceptable and commonplace?

Don't forget to show your work.

My whole point is that this attitude reflects a total lack of thought. TFA says something like 4-5 people injured by guns today. That's pretty much exactly in line with what you'd expect, statistically. They're not "hotbeds or recklessness," it's business as usual. Whether you think five injuries and two deaths a day is too many is a totally separate question, but don't wave them around like suddenly the five injuries and two deaths that happened on "Gun Appreciation Day" somehow mean more than the five injuries and two deaths that happen any other day of the year.

Again, bear the absolute numbers in mind (and I apologize but these are probably not totally accurate, I'm not going to go look them up again just now). There are something like 310 million guns in the US, and something like 80 million gun owners. Out of those 80 million gun owners, we know that probably something like 3-5 managed to do something stupid enough to hurt another human being. And that's it. Those are the numbers when placed in the proper context. Whether you think that shows that gun owners are irresponsible and untrustworthy is up to you. But the fact that a few gun owners hurt themselves and others today shouldn't be the point of discussion.


The difficulty is the perception of gun shows being exactly that. And lo, the perception is now only intensified. This is the problem.

Most gun owners are fairly responsible. The problem is, that there are enough yahoos and idiots who KEEP doing idiotic things, and NOT being castigated for it, by the community. Instead, we have folks who leap to the defense. Or to minimize their idiocy, which is the tack you're taking.

It's not enough. It makes the gun owning community look bad, and it only reinforces perceptions of recklessness, and to be fair, in these cases, outright negligence. On a day when folks have been encouraged to go out an purchase arms, it is even more worse, because guess what? It only reinforces the perception that folks are reckless and careless. On a day when they were supposed to be doing EXACTLY the opposite. Minimizing that doesn't make it any better. The responsible community comes down on folks who endanger others, not make excuses for them.
 
2013-01-19 11:31:01 PM
3 idiots do something stupid with guns, therefore we should take away everyones right to own firearms?

Shiat, with that logic, we a should immediately take away everyone's right to vote after electing farkwads that spend the country into a $16 trillion dollar debt, happily guts our military into damn near laughing stock status, and pretty much spits on the constitution daily.

Oh wait, I forgot... It's OK, since it's YOUR guys doing it. And "but but but but Bush".
 
2013-01-19 11:31:32 PM

scottapeshot: NightOwl2255: scottapeshot: Epic gun thread.

This ain't even close to being an epic thread.

I'm not going to argue unless you've paid.


I've damn well paid. And I don't think I like you tone, sir. Could you please direct me to the complaint department.
 
2013-01-19 11:31:50 PM

hubiestubert: Seriously. It's not hard to keep a weapon unloaded. And you should be treating EVERY weapon like it's loaded anyhow. What in the chocolate covered f*ck are these idiots thinking?


I have no idea why, but I'm sitting here laughing hysterically at "what in the chocolate covered f*ck".
 
2013-01-19 11:32:13 PM
MORE GUNS! WE NEED MORE GUNS!
 
2013-01-19 11:32:39 PM

Farker Soze: Exxon Sploog is here. This should get good now.


LOL
 
2013-01-19 11:33:16 PM
If only people at the gun show had been armed.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:24 PM

NightOwl2255: scottapeshot: NightOwl2255: scottapeshot: Epic gun thread.

This ain't even close to being an epic thread.

I'm not going to argue unless you've paid.

I've damn well paid. And I don't think I like you tone, sir. Could you please direct me to the complaint department.


c'mon, everyone likes you tone...
 
2013-01-19 11:33:25 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Fubini: But the fact that a few gun owners hurt themselves and others today shouldn't be the point of discussion.

You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.


Unlikely. Most likely they were there to buy and sell overpriced shiat.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:50 PM

Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut


THIS A THOUSAND TIMES. How is this shiathead not charged with reckless endangerment or criminal negligence?
The way the law is now, if you give alcohol to a college student who gets in a wreck 2 hours later, you can go to jail for it, but if you bring a loaded weapon into a public place with the safety off and shoot 3 people, they write it off as "just an accident?"

This is like a story earlier this week, a DA in Pennsylvannia refused to charge a guy who "accidentally" shot his kid. He went into a gun shop to sell his pistol, the gun shop didn't want it, and when he got back in the car, the kid grabbed the barrel of the gun, it went off, and the kid was killed. The idiot forgot that while the clip was out, a round was still in the chamber. A guy didn't make sure his gun was unloaded and pointed it at his own child, and authorities said it was "just an accident?"

Bullshiat. Maybe if we started sending some of these numbskulls to jail, people would stop being such dumbasses around their firearms and these "accidents" would stop happening.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:50 PM

Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.

100/100

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Can you throw a crying eagle in there too?
 
2013-01-19 11:34:43 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.


they were there to check out the racks...on other men....
 
2013-01-19 11:35:09 PM
Did any books get shot? No? Treadmills then?
 
2013-01-19 11:36:03 PM

Mugato: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fortunately, we only lost 219 people today as the price we pay for the freedom to drink alcohol.

eagerly awaiting the typical "THAT'S DIFFERENT!" response from the alcoholics.

I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze. And if they do it's called a kegger and when people get alcohol poisoning it's considered funny as the gun equivalent it is here.


They're called Beer Festivals and they usually result in mass vomiting and collapsing in corners as their worst casualties.
 
2013-01-19 11:36:16 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.


You must not live in real 'merica
 
2013-01-19 11:36:29 PM
Please wait as I play the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin to commemorate these responsible, law-abiding gun owners.
 
2013-01-19 11:37:44 PM

Shagbert: Mugato: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fortunately, we only lost 219 people today as the price we pay for the freedom to drink alcohol.

eagerly awaiting the typical "THAT'S DIFFERENT!" response from the alcoholics.

I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze. And if they do it's called a kegger and when people get alcohol poisoning it's considered funny as the gun equivalent it is here.

They're called Beer Festivals and they usually result in mass vomiting and collapsing in corners as their worst casualties.


Until the drive home. At least they don't shiat where they eat, I guess.
 
2013-01-19 11:38:06 PM

boobsrgood: Did any books get shot? No? Treadmills then?


i heard a vending machine got hit and three pounds of sugared lard got onto the floor and they thought one of those guys might have been hit... then it bounced off that and hit a portable gravy maker kiosk and thats when people got really worried...

we wouldn't want to lose a patriot like that....in the line of duty and all...

it's best when they get enraged and die of a heart attack in front of the fondue machine...
 
2013-01-19 11:38:42 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.


No, I'm not. You're neglecting to consider what baseline you compare against. The baseline of "zero gun injuries per day" is unrealistic, and statistically not supported. The baseline of "a few, probably 5-10" gun injuries per day is normal, and by all appearances that's exactly what we got: normalcy.

It would be ironic if today was gun appreciation day and we had way more injuries that normal, which we didn't. The fact that we didn't have zero gun injuries doesn't mean anything.

Like I said upthread, there are something like 80,000,000 gun owners in the country, and probably 5 or so of them did something stupid enough to injure another person (on accident, not counting malicious actions). If we had the same ratio of automobile accidents by car owners as we do with gun accidents by gun owners then we'd have about twenty car accidents daily. In the nation.
 
2013-01-19 11:39:15 PM
Once, when I worked at a bicycle trade show, I got a nasty cut on my hand from a chain ring.

We should ban bicycles.

This week is Sundance Festival near where I live. No doubt, lots of Californians are going to break collarbones, blow out their knees or at least pick up killer hangovers from drinking at 7000 feet.

We should ban movies, skiing and snowboarding.
 
2013-01-19 11:39:23 PM

3StratMan: 3 idiots do something stupid with guns, therefore we should take away everyones right to own firearms?


Hyperbole much?
 
2013-01-19 11:40:22 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.


Same here. But that's the problem with stupid people, they're so damn clever when it comes to farking up.
 
2013-01-19 11:41:54 PM

Fubini: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: You're neglecting the fact these people were turning out for Gun Appreciation Day to send a message to the rest of the country about how they feel about limiting the rights of responsible gun owners.

No, I'm not. You're neglecting to consider what baseline you compare against. The baseline of "zero gun injuries per day" is unrealistic, and statistically not supported. The baseline of "a few, probably 5-10" gun injuries per day is normal, and by all appearances that's exactly what we got: normalcy.

It would be ironic if today was gun appreciation day and we had way more injuries that normal, which we didn't. The fact that we didn't have zero gun injuries doesn't mean anything.

Like I said upthread, there are something like 80,000,000 gun owners in the country, and probably 5 or so of them did something stupid enough to injure another person (on accident, not counting malicious actions). If we had the same ratio of automobile accidents by car owners as we do with gun accidents by gun owners then we'd have about twenty car accidents daily. In the nation.


At over thirty thousand a year, we average almost ninety automobile deaths per day in the USA.

Maths, how do they work?
 
2013-01-19 11:42:01 PM

Pincy: 3StratMan: 3 idiots do something stupid with guns, therefore we should take away everyones right to own firearms?

Hyperbole much?


In case you haven't been paying attention, that's what the thought process of many people is.
 
2013-01-19 11:42:27 PM
Accidents will happen. I had to fight my way through this very same crowd of proud and well-regulated arms-bearers to get to a coin and stamp show elsewhere at the venue (NC Fairgrounds). While I was at that show, there were several occasions where I heard the "clink" of a coin being dropped -- once, apparently, a pretty valuable one, judging by the muffled swearing that followed. I guess that means that coin owners are even more careless than gun owners.

Of course, nobody from the coin show ended up at the hospital...
 
2013-01-19 11:43:57 PM
Responsible gun owner.
Except for, you know, that one day at the movie theater.
cbsdetroit.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-19 11:45:23 PM
Fubini:
Like I said upthread, there are something like 80,000,000 gun owners in the country, and probably 5 or so of them did something stupid enough to injure another person (on accident, not counting malicious actions). If we had the same ratio of automobile accidents by car owners as we do with gun accidents by gun owners then we'd have about twenty car accidents daily. In the nation.

I don't know if that is a good analogy, there are maybe 50 to 80 million gun owners in the us, and 209 million licensed drivers. However deaths from guns will overtake deaths from cars maybe even this year, even though there are fewer gun owners than there are licensed drivers, and I have a feeling that people spend more time in their cars than using their guns.  Guns seem to be more dangerous than cars from that perspective.
 
2013-01-19 11:45:40 PM
There are very, VERY few gun accidents. There is a lot of gun negligence though. If you "accidentally" point a loaded weapon at someone and "accidentally" pull the trigger, that was not an accidental shooting. I'm sure the tens of thousands of never-owned-a-gun-but-obama-is-going-to-outlaw-them-next-month-so-I'm- getting-one-today people don't help either. There was a 2 hour line all day at the Indy show today with Pmags selling for $60 and AR's going for 2-3k, and crates of 223 ammo just under a grand. Fleecing of the suckers.
 
2013-01-19 11:46:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.

100/100

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Can you throw a crying eagle in there too?


Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.
 
2013-01-19 11:46:11 PM

Fubini: It would be ironic if today was gun appreciation day and we had way more injuries that normal, which we didn't. The fact that we didn't have zero gun injuries doesn't mean anything.


You'd have a point if these incidents happened in people's homes or somewhere besides Gun Appreciation Day events.
 
2013-01-19 11:46:54 PM
i'm glad i don't live in Gunmerica....

see, the last thing i would want is an armada of american fatties in gravy stained Ted Nugent tee shirts trying to save me from some imagined enemy because;

a) you can see the fatties from space
b) you can smell the urine when they cower
c) the chance of getting a "Ned Beatty" from one of those patriotic inbreds is pretty high
d) they are terrible shots
e) the bald spots are worse than a giant scope as far as reflections go
f) they would be hammerin away at themselves, moanin and groanin before they could get a real round off
g) the trail of fast food wrappers would give away the position
h) the parking lot full of giant trucks with baby seats under the gunracks are a dead giveaway
i) who wants to be near a bunch of fat retarded americans with guns?

shall i go on?
 
2013-01-19 11:47:29 PM

jaytkay: Responsible gun owner.


Um, no.

He's pretty much the posterchild of the irresponsible one.
 
2013-01-19 11:49:16 PM

GUTSU: Gyrfalcon: Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.

100/100

[image.blingee.com image 400x363]

Can you throw a crying eagle in there too?

Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.


Can YOU throw a "n*gger" in there too?
 
2013-01-19 11:50:34 PM

GUTSU: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.


i'm under a delisoin yes....

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-19 11:50:47 PM

hubiestubert: Most gun owners are fairly responsible. The problem is, that there are enough yahoos and idiots who KEEP doing idiotic things, and NOT being castigated for it, by the community. Instead, we have folks who leap to the defense. Or to minimize their idiocy, which is the tack you're taking.


No, it reinforces the fact that human beings are terrible with large numbers. There are 310,000,000 guns in this country, there are going to be accidental shootings no matter how careful people are. No amount of carefulness is going to completely eliminate all accidents. The correct question is, "How responsible can we expect people to be?" If you expect people to be perfectly careful and never have any accidents, ever, then you're being unrealistic (you can put a mean-time-to-accident on a nuclear power plant, and those cost billions of dollars to operate).

The fact that we have 5-10 gun accidents daily with 80 million gun owners in the nation means that the overwhelming majority of those people are being perfectly responsible. Even if only one percent of gun owners handle their weapons on any given day (and you know it's way more than that because of people who use guns in their line of work) you'd have 5-10 gun accidents daily out of 800,000 people handling their guns. Which leads to an accident rate of one out of 80,000 gun uses per day. Meaning, every day you pick up your gun you have a 1/80,000 chance of accidentally injuring yourself or another. Statistically you'd have to pick up your gun and use it daily for over 200 years before accidentally injuring a human being.

As I've been saying all along, whether you think this means gun owners are responsible enough is up to you. But the fact that we've had a few gun injuries today means literally nothing other than we had a perfectly normal day. I've laid out the consequences for that perfectly normal day above.
 
2013-01-19 11:50:57 PM

Haliburton Cummings: i'm glad i don't live in Gunmerica....

see, the last thing i would want is an armada of american fatties in gravy stained Ted Nugent tee shirts trying to save me from some imagined enemy because;

a) you can see the fatties from space
b) you can smell the urine when they cower
c) the chance of getting a "Ned Beatty" from one of those patriotic inbreds is pretty high
d) they are terrible shots
e) the bald spots are worse than a giant scope as far as reflections go
f) they would be hammerin away at themselves, moanin and groanin before they could get a real round off
g) the trail of fast food wrappers would give away the position
h) the parking lot full of giant trucks with baby seats under the gunracks are a dead giveaway
i) who wants to be near a bunch of fat retarded americans with guns?

shall i go on?


I'm going to admit that you rustled my jimmies a little, just a little. They I think of how subdued you british are, it must be harsh living in Airstrip One.
 
2013-01-19 11:54:07 PM

Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

i'm under a delisoin yes....

[i.imgur.com image 640x200]


It seems that you are unable to defeat my arguments, and instead have to attack my grammar. You aren't making a very strong case for yourself, comrade.
 
2013-01-19 11:55:43 PM

GUTSU: Farking Canuck: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Show some respect! These are the elite warriors that are going to overthrow the evil black man in the white house!!


I know you're being facetious, do I think Obama is a pretty shiatty president? Yeah, I do. I thought bush was a jackass for the patriot act, unwarranted wiretapping, and I hate Obama for expanding the patriot act and thinking that indefinably detaining American citizens without a warrant is peachy. I don't believe that Obama will still be in office if and when there is armed insurrection.

Also, your attempts to try and connect legal gun owners to crazed racists is quite hilarious, or it would be if a great many Obama supporters didn't think like you.



i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-19 11:55:55 PM

GUTSU: I'm going to admit that you rustled my jimmies a little, just a little. They I think of how subdued you british are, it must be harsh living in Airstrip One.


don't let all the stupid out all at once now...

you are getting eaten alive in here...there are a few continents on the planet..countries too...even provinces and states...

i know your knowledge of things like "maps" and "geography" is limited to "two blocks then left...can't miss it..it has the seven and the two ones on the sign...whatever that means..." but that's no reason to make a complete fool of yourself now...
 
2013-01-19 11:57:14 PM

Gyrfalcon: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

Can YOU throw a "n*gger" in there too?


Account created: 2013-01-13 21:40:26

New troll is new.
 
2013-01-19 11:57:23 PM

TwowheelinTim: At over thirty thousand a year, we average almost ninety automobile deaths per day in the USA.

Maths, how do they work?


I appreciate your comparison, but you have to account for the fact that more cars are used daily than guns, so total numbers aren't directly comparable. This is why the risk of car injury or death is represented in terms of injuries per total miles driven.

To directly compare the danger of driving versus gun use you'd have to have some reasonably comparable metric, like injuries per miles driven versus injuries versus gun uses or something. It's still not directly comparable, but it would allow you to say "I drive X miles per year" and "I carry my gun with me 300 days a year" and figure out what your relative risk of injury from both activities would be.
 
2013-01-19 11:57:59 PM

GUTSU: Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

i'm under a delisoin yes....

[i.imgur.com image 640x200]

It seems that you are unable to defeat my arguments, and instead have to attack my grammar. You aren't making a very strong case for yourself, comrade.


your argument would have to be intelligent enough to bother with, failing that YOU would have to be intelligent enough to argue with and you aren't.

now go put some more gravy down on the slip and slide and see how much drywall you can knock out at the other end of your mom's basement ok?

sprinkles
 
2013-01-19 11:58:11 PM
Lighten up gun people. If environmentalists were holding Earth Appreciation Day gatherings today and someone accidentally dumped a bunch of oil into a river most of you would be howling with delight at the irony.

Also, stop pretending that guns aren't dangerous. Every time there's an accident it's because they were an irresponsible gun owner. Ya right. Accidents happen to even the best of us. Notice I'm not saying we should ban all guns, because I'm not. But to pretend that guns pose no risk, even to the most responsible owner, is ridiculous and makes it seem like you aren't discussing this issue in good faith.
 
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