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HBK
2013-01-20 04:19:44 PM
There's a poster in this thread that gets his rocks off by making illogical posts and by intentionally annoying people who are actually trying to have a conversation. This is the only thing that poster does in these types of threads. That poster is a troll that adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.
 
2013-01-20 04:23:04 PM

spacelord321: HairBolus: spacelord321: HairBolus: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Guns are the GREAT EQUALIZER. You don't have to be fit, athletic,or well coordinated to badly hurt or kill someone. Why go through all the hassle of say learning how to box and staying in shape when all you need is a twitch of your finger on the trigger.

Because you're too young, old, have a disability, or you realize a criminal with a gun can easily put a fit boxer in the grave. Don't confuse other peoples circumstances with your own.

Your thinking is why there are so many gun nut morons around who think that a gun will make them safe while without extensive training - it only makes them more dangerous both to themselves and others around them. A gun does not instantly turn somebody into a tough guy but it can instantly turn someone into a dangerous idiot.

I take the good with the bad. You're assigning labels to people you don't know doesn't make me scared of my fellow humans.


What? I have to personally know somebody before I can describe their speech or behavior as a delusional, dangerous, and idiotic band-aid for their feelings of inferiority?

Why do not scared people need guns for personal protection?
 
2013-01-20 04:23:23 PM

HBK: There's a poster in this thread that gets his rocks off by making illogical posts and by intentionally annoying people who are actually trying to have a conversation. This is the only thing that poster does in these types of threads. That poster is a troll that adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.


Only one? Have you read this thread?
 
2013-01-20 04:23:40 PM

HBK: There's a poster in this thread that gets his rocks off by making illogical posts and by intentionally annoying people who are actually trying to have a conversation. This is the only thing that poster does in these types of threads. That poster is a troll that adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.


I don't like trolls either but I am required by law to post this:

i182.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-20 04:45:51 PM
Looks like the real celebration was in Albuquerque.
 
2013-01-20 04:51:40 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Looks like the real celebration was in Albuquerque.


I'm sure there will be a greenlit thread on this. Gun threads here are like buses, if you miss one another will come along.
 
2013-01-20 04:58:18 PM

Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut


I wholeheartedly agree-I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.....
 
2013-01-20 05:38:50 PM

HairBolus: spacelord321: HairBolus: spacelord321: HairBolus: whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?

Guns are the GREAT EQUALIZER. You don't have to be fit, athletic,or well coordinated to badly hurt or kill someone. Why go through all the hassle of say learning how to box and staying in shape when all you need is a twitch of your finger on the trigger.

Because you're too young, old, have a disability, or you realize a criminal with a gun can easily put a fit boxer in the grave. Don't confuse other peoples circumstances with your own.

Your thinking is why there are so many gun nut morons around who think that a gun will make them safe while without extensive training - it only makes them more dangerous both to themselves and others around them. A gun does not instantly turn somebody into a tough guy but it can instantly turn someone into a dangerous idiot.

I take the good with the bad. You're assigning labels to people you don't know doesn't make me scared of my fellow humans.

What? I have to personally know somebody before I can describe their speech or behavior as a delusional, dangerous, and idiotic band-aid for their feelings of inferiority?

Why do not scared people need guns for personal protection?


So every cop is a coward? It takes a gun to fight a gun. Period. My life is very free of the fear of violent assault. Plenty of other things to worry about, however.
 
2013-01-20 05:40:23 PM

Haliburton Cummings: mugat


People at wine tasting and Oktoberfest aren't showcasing a product expressly meant for killing people, trying to prove that they are awesome at handling said product and that the product is completely safe and then farking each other with said product. No one ever said that booze was safe.
 
2013-01-20 05:49:42 PM
Come on, even rabid pro-gun people have to admit that this was just the slightest bit funny. Not funny in "ha ha you got shot" kind of way. Funny in how this event was being set up to show the nation just how great guns are and just how much we should appreciate them and then the very people taking part in that even accidentally shoot themselves and others. You seriously don't see even the slightest bit of twisted humor in that? You didn't think to yourself "ah crap, why did this have to happen on Gun Appreciation Day of all days?"
 
2013-01-20 06:53:52 PM

Pincy: Come on, even rabid pro-gun people have to admit that this was just the slightest bit funny. Not funny in "ha ha you got shot" kind of way. Funny in how this event was being set up to show the nation just how great guns are and just how much we should appreciate them and then the very people taking part in that even accidentally shoot themselves and others. You seriously don't see even the slightest bit of twisted humor in that? You didn't think to yourself "ah crap, why did this have to happen on Gun Appreciation Day of all days?"


Indeed. Ironic tab would have been apropriate. I had to do a facepalm.
 
2013-01-20 07:30:43 PM

Kome: From National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA): About 2,500,000 people are injured in motor vehicle collisions per year. About 30,000 fatalities. Survivability rate of 99.9988%.
From Firearm & Injury Center at University of Pennsylvania: There are about 100,000 people injured due to firearm discharges per year. About 30,000 fatalities. Survivability rate of 70%.


This is a nonsense comparison.  2/3 of U.S. firearm fatalities each year are due to suicides.  The INTENTION is to kill yourself, so the survivability rate is necessarily lower than motor vehicle collisions, which people don't normally use as a means to kill themselves.

You may as well compare number of cuts by knife that require stitches each year vs. number of cuts by broomstick that require stitches each year.
 
2013-01-20 07:46:18 PM
And today and every day of the year in America, 3561 yet to be born children were scraped, cut, injected with saline, or purposely rotated breech in their "mother's" death canal to have their spine cut with a rib shearing scissors. Way to "protect the children" you self righteous, bed wetting, liberal hypocrites. Every single time a government has disarmed it's citizens, it has been followed by tyranny. Ask the Armenians, Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Cambodians, Rwandans, Guatemalans etc how "common sense gun control" worked out for them.
1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination

You don't care about children, you care about an impossible socialist utopia to feed your lazy, stupid ass.

Not in America. We will drag you out of your Pearl Harbor attacker made Prius, slap from your soft hands the iPhone made in a high rise factory with the suicide nets, and skull fornicate you with a .45 acp before that happens in the USA.

We are onto this scam and we are keeping our guns - all of them. All of the hi capacity magazines, all of the armor piercing ammunition, all of the AR-15s AK-47s, and FN FALs (not that you quiche eaters know what any of that is) combat shotguns, sniper rifles, and guns that can reach you at ten football fields away. We are keeping all the handguns too. Get used to it. No registration.
 
2013-01-20 08:33:03 PM

epoch_destroi: And today and every day of the year in America, 3561 yet to be born children were scraped, cut, injected with saline, or purposely rotated breech in their "mother's" death canal to have their spine cut with a rib shearing scissors. Way to "protect the children" you self righteous, bed wetting, liberal hypocrites. Every single time a government has disarmed it's citizens, it has been followed by tyranny. Ask the Armenians, Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Cambodians, Rwandans, Guatemalans etc how "common sense gun control" worked out for them.
1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination

You don't care about children, you care about an impossible socialist utopia to feed your lazy, stupid ass.

Not in America. We will drag you out of your Pearl Harbor attacker made Prius, slap from your soft hands the iPhone made in a high rise factory with the suicide nets, and skull fornicate you with a .45 acp before that happens in the USA.

We are onto this scam and we are keeping our guns - all of them. All of the hi capacity magazines, all of the armor piercing ammunition, all of the AR-15s AK-47s, and FN FALs (not that you quiche eaters know what any of that is) combat shotguns, sniper rifles, and guns that can reach you at ten football fields away. We are keeping all the handguns too. Get used to it. No registration.


imageshack.us
 
2013-01-20 09:22:20 PM

epoch_destroi: And today and every day of the year in America, 3561 yet to be born children were scraped, cut, injected with saline, or purposely rotated breech in their "mother's" death canal to have their spine cut with a rib shearing scissors. Way to "protect the children" you self righteous, bed wetting, liberal hypocrites. Every single time a government has disarmed it's citizens, it has been followed by tyranny. Ask the Armenians, Jews, Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Cambodians, Rwandans, Guatemalans etc how "common sense gun control" worked out for them.
1. Registration 2. Confiscation 3. Extermination

You don't care about children, you care about an impossible socialist utopia to feed your lazy, stupid ass.

Not in America. We will drag you out of your Pearl Harbor attacker made Prius, slap from your soft hands the iPhone made in a high rise factory with the suicide nets, and skull fornicate you with a .45 acp before that happens in the USA.

We are onto this scam and we are keeping our guns - all of them. All of the hi capacity magazines, all of the armor piercing ammunition, all of the AR-15s AK-47s, and FN FALs (not that you quiche eaters know what any of that is) combat shotguns, sniper rifles, and guns that can reach you at ten football fields away. We are keeping all the handguns too. Get used to it. No registration.


newsletter subscription please.
 
2013-01-20 10:03:20 PM

BarkingUnicorn: doyner: eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!

The NRA successfully lobbied Congress to remove the zip-tie restriction on our freedoms in 2003.

Thanks for clearing that up.  I've never been to a gun show, but in every photo or video of one that I've seen I could not recall any zip-ties.

I've seen zip-ties required to keep swords and axes in their scabbards at Renaissance Festivals.  I  guess the pointy-sharpy nuts don't have a strong lobby.


The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.

/best part of the gun show, besides the crazy people raving about teh gubmint is the beef jerky guy.
///delicious beef jerky.
 
2013-01-20 10:11:09 PM

BoothbyTCD: The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.



Slamming the cartridge into the firing pin is just as good as slamming the firing pin into the cartridge.
 
2013-01-20 10:21:04 PM

Wulfman: BoothbyTCD: The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.


Slamming the cartridge into the firing pin is just as good as slamming the firing pin into the cartridge.


Lighten your trigger pull enough and it still works the regular way. Why the fark would you put a rifle in your vehicle to take to the gun show without checking if it was loaded before you even left the house?
 
2013-01-20 10:21:17 PM

BoothbyTCD:
The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.

/best part of the gun show, besides the crazy people raving about teh gubmint is the beef jerky guy.
///delicious beef jerky.



Is it unreasonable of me to think this guy should have been charged with a crime and had to go in front of a judge to explain why he should be allowed to have his gun back?
 
2013-01-20 10:28:00 PM

Robert Farker: BoothbyTCD:
The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.

/best part of the gun show, besides the crazy people raving about teh gubmint is the beef jerky guy.
///delicious beef jerky.


Is it unreasonable of me to think this guy should have been charged with a crime and had to go in front of a judge to explain why he should be allowed to have his gun back?


No, that makes perfect sense. So of course most people will be against it.
 
2013-01-20 10:35:24 PM

Pincy: Robert Farker: BoothbyTCD:
The last gun show I went to required zip ties and had people checking that guns were unloaded at the entrance. There was still an 'accidental' discharge anyway. Guy had a loaded rifle that somehow went of when he dropped it butt first on the ground. Not even sure how that is possible. Nice little hole in the ceiling. The whole place went silent as everyone in the place turned to stare daggers at the guy.

/best part of the gun show, besides the crazy people raving about teh gubmint is the beef jerky guy.
///delicious beef jerky.


Is it unreasonable of me to think this guy should have been charged with a crime and had to go in front of a judge to explain why he should be allowed to have his gun back?

No, that makes perfect sense. So of course most people will be against it.



Let's add that if someone gets hit you go to jail and have to explain to the judge why you shouldn't stay there. Long sentences for grievous injury. Someone dies and it's one year in prison minimum. Exceptions for genuine accidents that involve near zero negligence.
 
2013-01-20 10:44:13 PM

EatenTheSun: Why the fark would you put a rifle in your vehicle to take to the gun show without checking if it was loaded before you even left the house?


From what I hear, "an unloaded gun is a useless gun". And why would you want to bring a useless gun to a gun show?? They'll all laugh at you!
 
2013-01-20 11:05:15 PM

Farking Canuck: EatenTheSun: Why the fark would you put a rifle in your vehicle to take to the gun show without checking if it was loaded before you even left the house?

From what I hear, "an unloaded gun is a useless gun". And why would you want to bring a useless gun to a gun show?? They'll all laugh at you!


There is no such thing as an unloaded gun.
 
2013-01-21 12:52:50 AM

Fubini: cameroncrazy1984: PaLarkin: Coelacanth:
85% of the children in the world who die from gunshot wounds die here. Let's ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines.

More children die in car crashes and drowning accidents. Ban cars and swimming pools.

It's not about the number; it's about the scale.

What exactly do you mean by scale? Any given gun is far less likely to end up injuring a child over it's lifetime than any given pool, and in terms of absolute numbers children are injured far less often by guns than either of those things above.

Any random car is more likely to kill a child than any random gun is.


Dude, how many people driving cars and how many swimming pools murder kids on purpose?
 
2013-01-21 12:56:14 AM

BlaqueKatt: Alonjar: Somehow the gun discharged.
Somehow the gun discharged.
SOMEHOW the gun discharged.


....and that's the problem right there. Somehow THIS IDIOT OVER HERE BROUGHT A LOADED, CHAMBERED WEAPON, WITH THE SAFETY OFF, and then PULLED THE TRIGGER while picking it up.

Put him in jail for a lengthy time... accidental shootings should be treated the same as a DUI wreck resulting in attempted manslaughter charges or worse.

He had to make so many inexcusable errors for this to happen that I can think of no other recourse other than to make examples out of people.

/and I'm a gun nut

I wholeheartedly agree-I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.....


Finally some sanity....
 
2013-01-21 01:36:35 AM
It is amusing to see how many so-called "responsible gun owners" are bending over backwards to try to explain why this guy should avoid being held responsible for his actions.

Someone hurts a person in a wreck while driving dangerously, they yell "Lock him up and throw away the key!"
Someone takes a loaded gun with the safety off to a public venue and shoots three people, "It's okay, punkin, accidents happen." I'm surprised the NRA rep at the rally didn't take this idiot out for ice cream.

I especially like the people saying "Look at how many people didn't get shot" to try to prove their rightness. You're basically saying "We put on a nationally coordinated effort to show how responsible we are with firearms, and we only had 8 casualties!"

That's like saying you put on a national Just Say No rally, and only had 8 people overdose. Not exactly something to be proud of.
 
HBK
2013-01-21 01:50:20 AM

stoli n coke: It is amusing to see how many so-called "responsible gun owners" are bending over backwards to try to explain why this guy should avoid being held responsible for his actions.

Someone hurts a person in a wreck while driving dangerously, they yell "Lock him up and throw away the key!"
Someone takes a loaded gun with the safety off to a public venue and shoots three people, "It's okay, punkin, accidents happen." I'm surprised the NRA rep at the rally didn't take this idiot out for ice cream.

I especially like the people saying "Look at how many people didn't get shot" to try to prove their rightness. You're basically saying "We put on a nationally coordinated effort to show how responsible we are with firearms, and we only had 8 casualties!"

That's like saying you put on a national Just Say No rally, and only had 8 people overdose. Not exactly something to be proud of.


Keep jousting those windmills, because you're arguing against your imagination. Quote one person that said that the negligent dischargers should be free of all liability.

You're an idiot, but I expect you already know that.
 
2013-01-21 03:06:11 AM

stoli n coke: It is amusing to see how many so-called "responsible gun owners" are bending over backwards to try to explain why this guy should avoid being held responsible for his actions.

Someone hurts a person in a wreck while driving dangerously, they yell "Lock him up and throw away the key!"
Someone takes a loaded gun with the safety off to a public venue and shoots three people, "It's okay, punkin, accidents happen." I'm surprised the NRA rep at the rally didn't take this idiot out for ice cream.

I especially like the people saying "Look at how many people didn't get shot" to try to prove their rightness. You're basically saying "We put on a nationally coordinated effort to show how responsible we are with firearms, and we only had 8 casualties!"

That's like saying you put on a national Just Say No rally, and only had 8 people overdose. Not exactly something to be proud of.


If you can produce one quote like that from this thread, I will give you TF for a month.
 
2013-01-21 07:44:12 AM

IlGreven: Confabulat: Why do you think every potential gun restriction is a huge conspiracy to take all your weaponry away and turn the US into Nazi Germany?

Which, again, is weird, because the Nazis relaxed the extremely tight gun restrictions of Weimar Germany for everyone except the Jews.


And then all the people with the guns started rounding up the Jews. Whooda thunk?
 
2013-01-21 09:25:36 AM

DrPainMD: IlGreven: Confabulat: Why do you think every potential gun restriction is a huge conspiracy to take all your weaponry away and turn the US into Nazi Germany?

Which, again, is weird, because the Nazis relaxed the extremely tight gun restrictions of Weimar Germany for everyone except the Jews.

And then all the people with the guns started rounding up the Jews. Whooda thunk?


And of course, all the Jews had guns before the Weimar restrictions, right? And all these shopkeepers, doctors, jewelers, rabbis, etc., would have been able to fight off the SS if their guns hadn't been taken away, right?

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/
 
2013-01-21 09:27:25 AM
This is why I wish I had home internet. I so wanted to be here for this one...

Heard this on the local news Saturday night while I was drunk, good lord did I laugh. Hard. The dogs started jumping up on me wondering what was so funny.
 
2013-01-21 10:30:30 AM

Speaker2Animals: And of course, all the Jews had guns before the Weimar restrictions, right? And all these shopkeepers, doctors, jewelers, rabbis, etc., would have been able to fight off the SS if their guns hadn't been taken away, right?

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/



FTA:
The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works - Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don't kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

I love the soft sell about forcing (herding?) Jews into ghettos. Who knew that forcibly removing people from their homes or forbidding them to live anywhere bu a specific area is really just urban planning? The rest are an attempt to say "you don't hate these things just because Hitler did them or used them, so you shouldn't hate gun control".

It must just be a coincidence that they made sure to keep disarmed via gun control, the one group of people they were in the process of exterminating. Even if they kept them disarmed because they viewed them as inferior or not deserving of human rights, and NOT because they were afraid the Jews would revolt, that doesn't change that gun control is one of the things that enables genocide.

We don't hate or oppose gun control just because Hitler 'happened' to use it. We hate it because it's one of the things necessary to carry out genocide on such a mass scale, and is exceptionally useful for implementing tyranny.
 
2013-01-21 11:33:25 AM

Coelacanth: Dude, how many people driving cars and how many swimming pools murder kids on purpose?


"So sorry I killed your whole family with my SUV, it wasn't on purpose, so have a wonderful day!"

That's what your argument sounds like. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in these threads, which is why it amazes me that people keep trotting it out as if it sounds remotely sane.
 
2013-01-21 11:37:35 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Coelacanth: Dude, how many people driving cars and how many swimming pools murder kids on purpose?

"So sorry I killed your whole family with my SUV, it wasn't on purpose, so have a wonderful day!"

That's what your argument sounds like. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in these threads, which is why it amazes me that people keep trotting it out as if it sounds remotely sane.


Somehow the intentions of the designer matter, but only when it suits their purpose.

Swimming pools and cars aren't designed to kill, but guns are. Swimming pool installers don't intend for the pools they install to drown people, car makers don't intend for drunks, reckless people, or the rare homicidal person to use their cars, nor do they intend for their cars to kill people.

But, they scream and call names if I apply their logic to guns and claim that guns aren't designed to kill innocent people. Surely the designers never intended for guns to kill innocent people and never designed them with the goal that murders could use them against helpless people.
 
2013-01-21 11:56:04 AM

pedrop357: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Coelacanth: Dude, how many people driving cars and how many swimming pools murder kids on purpose?

"So sorry I killed your whole family with my SUV, it wasn't on purpose, so have a wonderful day!"

That's what your argument sounds like. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in these threads, which is why it amazes me that people keep trotting it out as if it sounds remotely sane.

Somehow the intentions of the designer matter, but only when it suits their purpose.

Swimming pools and cars aren't designed to kill, but guns are. Swimming pool installers don't intend for the pools they install to drown people, car makers don't intend for drunks, reckless people, or the rare homicidal person to use their cars, nor do they intend for their cars to kill people.

But, they scream and call names if I apply their logic to guns and claim that guns aren't designed to kill innocent people. Surely the designers never intended for guns to kill innocent people and never designed them with the goal that murders could use them against helpless people.


How do you categorize cigarettes?  A product that has no legitimate use other than alleviating the symptoms it causes, and eventually has a high probability of killing its user, and some bystanders.  Manufacturers know this and actively sought to block any public research on the subject.     (Seriously not intending this to be part of the gun control debate.  Just an aside.)
 
2013-01-21 12:01:49 PM

vygramul: How do you categorize cigarettes? A product that has no legitimate use other than alleviating the symptoms it causes, and eventually has a high probability of killing its user, and some bystanders. Manufacturers know this and actively sought to block any public research on the subject. (Seriously not intending this to be part of the gun control debate. Just an aside.)


Tobacco is a carrier for the drug nicotine. It does have a high probability of killing its user if used over long period of time. Some people really like smoking. I know I did when I smoked. It did solve the problems it created, which was one reason to stop. But, I miss the breaks that they basically forced. When I smoked, the monkey would climb on my back and force me to take a break. I probably should just set reminders to step away every now and then.

It's not that different than alcohol or other recreational drugs.
 
2013-01-21 04:54:22 PM

Speaker2Animals: DrPainMD: IlGreven: Confabulat: Why do you think every potential gun restriction is a huge conspiracy to take all your weaponry away and turn the US into Nazi Germany?

Which, again, is weird, because the Nazis relaxed the extremely tight gun restrictions of Weimar Germany for everyone except the Jews.

And then all the people with the guns started rounding up the Jews. Whooda thunk?

And of course, all the Jews had guns before the Weimar restrictions, right? And all these shopkeepers, doctors, jewelers, rabbis, etc., would have been able to fight off the SS if their guns hadn't been taken away, right?

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/


When you put words in my mouth that I never said, and then refute the argument that I never made, and act like you've refuted the argument I did make, that's the definition of a straw man.
 
2013-01-22 01:29:59 AM

vygramul: How do you categorize cigarettes? A product that has no legitimate use other than alleviating the symptoms it causes, and eventually has a high probability of killing its user, and some bystanders. Manufacturers know this and actively sought to block any public research on the subject. (Seriously not intending this to be part of the gun control debate. Just an aside.)


How about we compare chiropractors to proper oncologists? I've met a few chiropractors who claim to be able to cure cancer more effectively and more cheaply than any hospital.
 
2013-01-22 09:20:22 AM

Coelacanth: vygramul: How do you categorize cigarettes? A product that has no legitimate use other than alleviating the symptoms it causes, and eventually has a high probability of killing its user, and some bystanders. Manufacturers know this and actively sought to block any public research on the subject. (Seriously not intending this to be part of the gun control debate. Just an aside.)

How about we compare chiropractors to proper oncologists? I've met a few chiropractors who claim to be able to cure cancer more effectively and more cheaply than any hospital.


That's probably the most irrelevant response in the thread, congrats.
 
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