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2013-01-20 12:29:10 AM  

Darth Macho: Proof that a time machine will never, ever be invented.


actually, entropy is that very proof.... time as we understand it only works in one direction...


you can have your multiplex of worlds theory or your stringbean theory, but it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that time travel is a human delusion...sorry..deli-sign...

but dude, never bring a time machine to a gun fight...
 
2013-01-20 12:29:57 AM  

Codenamechaz: Sim Tree: When the owner of a 12-gauge shotgun was asked to remove his gun from its case. Somehow, the gun discharged, shooting two people in the hand and one in the right torso.

WHAT?! In the act of removing your gun from its case, you accidentally shot three entirely different people?! WTFingHell are you doing?!

I think the better question is "Why the hell was your gun on display LOADED?!"


sounds like it was in the process of being ziptied so the gun won't come alive by itself and murder people like it's supposed to do
 
2013-01-20 12:31:02 AM  

Darth Macho: Proof that a time machine will never, ever be invented.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution does not read as:
"A well regulated* Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

(pencilled underneath)
* Well regulated meaning, in this case, self regulated. Seriously, ancient Americans, a firearm is a weapon and not a toy. Please teach your descendents to observe their civic right with sobriety and responsibility. I'm from the year 2089 and because of three hundred years of gun-nut retards I'm not allowed to have even a BB gun. Thanks a lot, jerks."


I would love to be able to go back in time and ask the founding fathers "Is this REALLY what you had in mind?"
 
2013-01-20 12:31:53 AM  

tjfly: Post Willy Wonka Mexican drug cartel getting free guns from obama irony here.


how does the rest go?

"blood on the streets in the town of New Haven...."
 
2013-01-20 12:33:23 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Fubini:
Like I said upthread, there are something like 80,000,000 gun owners in the country, and probably 5 or so of them did something stupid enough to injure another person (on accident, not counting malicious actions). If we had the same ratio of automobile accidents by car owners as we do with gun accidents by gun owners then we'd have about twenty car accidents daily. In the nation.

I don't know if that is a good analogy, there are maybe 50 to 80 million gun owners in the us, and 209 million licensed drivers. However deaths from guns will overtake deaths from cars maybe even this year, even though there are fewer gun owners than there are licensed drivers, and I have a feeling that people spend more time in their cars than using their guns.  Guns seem to be more dangerous than cars from that perspective.


I haven't done the numbers on total gun injuries, just accidental. According to mortality data from 2011, something like 500 people died that year from accidental gun shootings. If you assume gunshots are 95% survivable (which is the number I hear quoted most often, assuming you get medical attention), that means there were something like 10,000 total accidental gun injuries (including deaths)

A recent gallup poll on gun ownership found that 34% of national adults said that they personally owned a gun. According to Wikipedia, there are about 240,000,000 adults in the US, which gives us an estimated 80,000,000 total gun owners.

If you have 10,000 accidental injuries distributed uniformly across all gun owners, that means a gun owner has a yearly risk equal to 80M/10K = 1/8,000 of injuring someone. This is clearly a gross approximation, but it's an honest approximation within it's limits. This means that the average person would need to own a gun for 8000 years before they (statistically) injure someone.

If we use this number to run the same experiment I did above, using your number of 209M licensed car drivers with a yearly accident risk of 1/8000, we'd have 26,125 automobile accidents, yearly. According to census data, there were 10.8 million car accidents in 2009. From this very rough approximation, it's not looking good for car drivers.

Your criticism addresses one of my assumptions, which is that guns carry a perpetual risk of just being around. Your complaint is that guns are used much less frequently than cars are, on average, which is a completely legitimate complaint. To do so, let's make some assumptions and use that to calculate the average risk of gun usage on an hourly basis, and do that as well with cars.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that the 80,000,000 gun owners in the US will, on average, use their guns for one hour a week. This is a very messy assumption, because there are people who use guns in their job (like LEOs) who are in contact with their guns most of the day, and there are people like me who does guns 100% recreationally and goes to the range less than once per month. Then, you have an estimated 10,000 yearly accidental gun injuries and 80M*1hr/wk*52wk = 4160M total gun-hours per year. Thus, you have your accidental gun injuries uniformly distributed over all gun-hours and you get a 1/416,000 chance of accidental gun injury per gun-use-hour. If you assume that everyone is more like me (and say they spend one hour using a gun per month) you get a 1/96,000 chance of accidental gun injury per gun-use-hour. In decimal that's 0.0000024 and 0.000010, respectively.

For cars, we use the Census data of 10,8M car accidents per year. Assume we have 210M car drivers who spend 4 hours per day in their cars. You'd get 210M*4*365 = 306.6B total car-hours per year. If we randomly distribute all car accidents you get 10.8M/306.6B, which is 0.000035 chance of car accident per car-use-hour.

If you count out all the zeroes, you find that car usage is significantly more dangerous than gun usage in either case. On one extreme you get that car usage is 3.5 times more dangerous than gun usage (on an hourly basis), on the other extreme you get that car usage is 14.6 times more dangerous than gun usage is, on an accident-per-accident basis.

I'm sure there are lots of criticisms you can come up with of this analysis as well. For example, I don't know what kinds of car accidents are reported by the Census people, so perhaps gun accidents are much more severe than a lot of car accidents. Perhaps they're not. I'm just some jerk on the internet who likes to argue. However, I think that all the assumptions I've made are pretty reasonable, so the take-away message is that gun usage is definitely no more dangerous to society than car usage is on an hour-by-hour basis, and is in fact likely much safer. Which you'd expect, because people in general aren't idiots, and most of the ones who have guns have had it drilled into them from the start that GUNS ARE DANGEROUS and should be TREATED AS SUCH.
 
2013-01-20 12:33:47 AM  

GUTSU: Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Haliburton Cummings: GUTSU: Are you suggesting that Obama didn't fight to be able to indefinitely detain American citizens without a trial? Or are you under the delisoin that he bulldozed gitmo into the ground? Face it, the only thing Obama has going for him is his oratory skills, other than that he's a half-black bush.

i'm under a delisoin yes....

[i.imgur.com image 640x200]

It seems that you are unable to defeat my arguments, and instead have to attack my grammar. You aren't making a very strong case for yourself, comrade.

your argument would have to be intelligent enough to bother with, failing that YOU would have to be intelligent enough to argue with and you aren't.

now go put some more gravy down on the slip and slide and see how much drywall you can knock out at the other end of your mom's basement ok?

sprinkles

The fact of the matter is that Obama had made promises, close down gitmo, repeal the patriot act, make new jobs, ect, ect. What he has done is the complete opposite, which for whatever reason you're avoiding. It's okay if you like Obama, I don't think he's the second coming of Hitler, I just think he's a shiatty president.

You have several choices, we could talk like civilized people, or you could continue to attack my character if that makes you feel better.


This is Fark, you better get used to having your character attacked on an hourly basis.
 
2013-01-20 12:34:28 AM  
So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows? People get hurt at car races. Do you want to ban the Indy 500 because someone might wreck at the next one?

People get hurt at football games. Let's ban football.

People get hurt at wrestling matches. Let's ban wrestling.

Asshats who text while driving cause wrecks. People who drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs kill people every day. Let's ban cars.

People get killed all the time in skydiving accidents. Let's ban sky diving.

People get killed in scuba diving accidents. Let's ban scuba diving.

People get killed in boating accidents. Let's ban boating.

People die on the operating table when something goes wrong. Let's ban surgery.

Every day people die in accidents. Let's ban any activity that can result in a fatal accident.

People commit violent crimes with knives. Let's ban knives.

People commit violent crimes with hammers. Let's ban hammers.

People commit violent crimes with bits of pipe. Let's ban pipe.

People commit violent crimes with rocks. Let's ban rocks.

People commit violent crimes with arrows. Let's ban archery.

People often kill others when they commit arson. Let's ban anything that burns or can be used to start a fire.
 
2013-01-20 12:34:45 AM  
I have to agree with people suspecting these events are probably caused by novice gun owne.....wait, something is coming in.


Police in Medina say a gun dealer was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he'd bought Saturday when he accidentally pulled the trigger.

Police say the gun's magazine had been removed from the firearm but one round remained in the chamber.


derrrrrrrp
 
2013-01-20 12:37:41 AM  

Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.


Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.
 
2013-01-20 12:38:34 AM  

PaLarkin: So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows? People get hurt at car races. Do you want to ban the Indy 500 because someone might wreck at the next one?

People get hurt at football games. Let's ban football.

People get hurt at wrestling matches. Let's ban wrestling.

Asshats who text while driving cause wrecks. People who drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs kill people every day. Let's ban cars.

People get killed all the time in skydiving accidents. Let's ban sky diving.

People get killed in scuba diving accidents. Let's ban scuba diving.

People get killed in boating accidents. Let's ban boating.

People die on the operating table when something goes wrong. Let's ban surgery.

Every day people die in accidents. Let's ban any activity that can result in a fatal accident.

People commit violent crimes with knives. Let's ban knives.

People commit violent crimes with hammers. Let's ban hammers.

People commit violent crimes with bits of pipe. Let's ban pipe.

People commit violent crimes with rocks. Let's ban rocks.

People commit violent crimes with arrows. Let's ban archery.

People often kill others when they commit arson. Let's ban anything that burns or can be used to start a fire.


What's being banned again?
 
2013-01-20 12:39:41 AM  

PaLarkin: So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows? People get hurt at car races. Do you want to ban the Indy 500 because someone might wreck at the next one?

People get hurt at football games. Let's ban football.

People get hurt at wrestling matches. Let's ban wrestling.

Asshats who text while driving cause wrecks. People who drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs kill people every day. Let's ban cars.

People get killed all the time in skydiving accidents. Let's ban sky diving.

People get killed in scuba diving accidents. Let's ban scuba diving.

People get killed in boating accidents. Let's ban boating.

People die on the operating table when something goes wrong. Let's ban surgery.

Every day people die in accidents. Let's ban any activity that can result in a fatal accident.

People commit violent crimes with knives. Let's ban knives.

People commit violent crimes with hammers. Let's ban hammers.

People commit violent crimes with bits of pipe. Let's ban pipe.

People commit violent crimes with rocks. Let's ban rocks.

People commit violent crimes with arrows. Let's ban archery.

People often kill others when they commit arson. Let's ban anything that burns or can be used to start a fire.


my favorite Prince song ever...
 
2013-01-20 12:41:33 AM  
This does make me appreciate guns more, for what it's worth. What's that the point of the day?

Any time gun nuts run around shooting each other, I always have a good laugh. Thanks guns!
 
2013-01-20 12:41:45 AM  
just ban people.

problem solved.
 
2013-01-20 12:42:04 AM  
What Founding Fathers were hoping for:

simcah.files.wordpress.com

What we wound up with:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-20 12:42:42 AM  

whatshisname: Is there one person in line for that gun show who isn't morbidly obese?


Guns are the GREAT EQUALIZER. You don't have to be fit, athletic,or well coordinated to badly hurt or kill someone. Why go through all the hassle of say learning how to box and staying in shape when all you need is a twitch of your finger on the trigger.
 
2013-01-20 12:42:47 AM  
Fubini

You are comparing the number of people who were harmed in accidental firearm discharge with the total number of motor vehicle collisions. It would be more appropriate to compare the number of people harmed in an accidental firearm discharge with the number of people injured in motor vehicle collisions? Pace your final claim that your assumptions were reasonable, that one most certainly is not. Additionally, you'd have to factor in the survivability of being harmed in a motor vehicle collision for any comparison to truly be valid in the manner you're aiming for.
 
2013-01-20 12:42:56 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Three more responsible gun owners heard from!

On Gun Appreciation Day, no less!


And the shotgun guy was selling his, and I bet he wasn't a registered gun dealer, so he didn't have to perform a background check on whoever wanted to buy it.

/But no, there's no such thing as a "gun show loophole".
 
2013-01-20 12:43:33 AM  
So, Sunday has now been declared Emergency Room Appreciation Day.
 
2013-01-20 12:45:35 AM  

Fubini: Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.

Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.


It's not the gun that's the problem.

Ammunition unsafely stored (for example, inside a gun) has a high risk of combusting, with the potential to kill bystanders. If you had an explosives convention they would make sure there are no open flames in the area. Apparently gun shows are incapable of this.
 
2013-01-20 12:45:36 AM  

Fubini: Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.

Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.


How you got that from my comment I'll never know. I was merely pointing out that there exist a set of policies and guidelines for the safe carrying of weapons at sci-fi conventions, even though they are fake weapons. The rational extrapolation from that is not "prohibit guns at gun shows" but "why not see if we can incorporate some of those kinds of safety policies for locations that have real weapons".
 
2013-01-20 12:45:39 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: What Founding Fathers were hoping for:

[simcah.files.wordpress.com image 694x860]

What we wound up with:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 477x316]


a racist asstralian?
 
2013-01-20 12:46:09 AM  

IlGreven: Doc Daneeka: Three more responsible gun owners heard from!

On Gun Appreciation Day, no less!

And the shotgun guy was selling his, and I bet he wasn't a registered gun dealer, so he didn't have to perform a background check on whoever wanted to buy it.

/But no, there's no such thing as a "gun show loophole".


Yes because you can do that outside of a gun show. If you felt the need to buy my Remington 870 in my home state, I could sell it to you with nary a check just about anywhere you wanted outside of courthouses, school, and a few other places. Calling it a gun show exception is like saying there's a free way exception to driving.
 
2013-01-20 12:46:55 AM  

Fubini: Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.

Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.


Oh I don't think it's necessary to go overboard, just start with the unloaded ones. Baby steps.
 
2013-01-20 12:48:08 AM  
It might be helpful to know how many guns shows there were today vs other days, AND how many people were at those guns shows compared to other days. If there were 3 times as many gun shows attended by 5 times as many people, you start to see why today might be a more negligent (not accidental) day than normal looking at raw numbers.
 
2013-01-20 12:48:28 AM  

Mugato: I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze.


Sure there are. Ever heard of Oktoberfest? How about wine tastings?
 
2013-01-20 12:48:30 AM  
i had a "gun show loophole" once....last time i eat a frozen burrito

tish!
 
2013-01-20 12:49:11 AM  

Darth Macho: Ammunition unsafely stored (for example, inside a gun) has a high risk of combusting, with the potential to kill bystanders. If you had an explosives convention they would make sure there are no open flames in the area. Apparently gun shows are incapable of this


Because of two incidents nationwide you've come to this conclusion?
 
2013-01-20 12:49:12 AM  
Hey, has anyone laid down the "Gun violence isn't really a problem because there are other things that kill more people than guns" argument yet?
 
2013-01-20 12:49:37 AM  

IlGreven: Mugato: I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze.

Sure there are. Ever heard of Oktoberfest? How about wine tastings?


mugato likes his bubble. don't burst it..
 
2013-01-20 12:49:45 AM  

stoli n coke: It's unrealistic to expect "responsible gun owners" to always make sure their weapon is unloaded before putting it in the case? That's one of the first things covered in safety courses.


No it's not unrealistic. But accidents are still going to happen, just because there are so many gun owners out there. Eighty-million. Does your mind even comprehend how many people that is? If you had a 99.99% accurate test and gave it to 80M people your test would still hand back 8000 wrong test results. The majority of gun owners will go their entire lives without ever accidentally endangering someone, but there are so many of them that it's still going to happen eventually.

I've been a gun owner for two years now and I've never had a gun loaded outside of a range environment, and I've never pointed a loaded gun anywhere other than down that range. But who knows? Maybe one day I'll get stung by a bee and muzzle-sweep a bunch of people because I'm a sissy. I do my best to be safe in every way conceivable (I store my firing pins separately from the guns) but that doesn't mean that I'll never have an accident, because it's always possible that the stars just align and I do something really stupid, intentionally or unintentionally.

We just had a story here on far a few days ago about a cannon that sat with an explosively viable powder charge for decades in New York's Central Park. What's the probability that some idiot never tried to put out his cigarette on that thing? That some joker never threw a firecracker down there? You can always look at an accident and try to cast blame, say it's so-and-so's fault because they didn't do XYZ, but the reality is that there are billions of people on earth, 310 million of them in our country, and sometimes they do something boneheaded despite their darndedest attempts not to.
 
2013-01-20 12:49:49 AM  

rhiannon: Fubini: Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.

Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.

Oh I don't think it's necessary to go overboard, just start with the unloaded ones. Baby steps.


Think I meant to add a "bringing" in there somewhere.
 
2013-01-20 12:49:55 AM  
The gun control crowd wants to ban guns because criminals use them to kill people and idiots who own one but aren't careful with it cause accidents that hurt or kill people.

Fart_Machine: PaLarkin: So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows? People get hurt at car races. Do you want to ban the Indy 500 because someone might wreck at the next one?

People get hurt at football games. Let's ban football.

People get hurt at wrestling matches. Let's ban wrestling.

Asshats who text while driving cause wrecks. People who drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs kill people every day. Let's ban cars.

People get killed all the time in skydiving accidents. Let's ban sky diving.

People get killed in scuba diving accidents. Let's ban scuba diving.

People get killed in boating accidents. Let's ban boating.

People die on the operating table when something goes wrong. Let's ban surgery.

Every day people die in accidents. Let's ban any activity that can result in a fatal accident.

People commit violent crimes with knives. Let's ban knives.

People commit violent crimes with hammers. Let's ban hammers.

People commit violent crimes with bits of pipe. Let's ban pipe.

People commit violent crimes with rocks. Let's ban rocks.

People commit violent crimes with arrows. Let's ban archery.

People often kill others when they commit arson. Let's ban anything that burns or can be used to start a fire.

What's being banned again?

 
2013-01-20 12:50:26 AM  

Darth Macho: Fubini: Kome: Most sci-fi conventions have apparently stricter security and preventative policies in place, and they only have attendees who show up with fake weapons.

Yeah- they should totally prevent people from bringing weapons to gun shows. That'll solve everything.

It's not the gun that's the problem.

Ammunition unsafely stored (for example, inside a gun) has a high risk of combusting, with the potential to kill bystanders. If you had an explosives convention they would make sure there are no open flames in the area. Apparently gun shows are incapable of this.


True but it would be a lot harder to regulate an open flame outside of their area of control. One of our examples is more like what has happened than the other.
 
2013-01-20 12:51:24 AM  
Fart_Machine:

What's being banned again?

I do believe Obama's requested reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban.
 
2013-01-20 12:51:44 AM  

Fubini: We just had a story here on far a few days ago about a cannon that sat with an explosively viable powder charge for decades in New York's Central Park. What's the probability that some idiot never tried to put out his cigarette on that thing? That some joker never threw a firecracker down there?


zero. there was a rusted cannon ball in the way. rain would have got to the powder first..use your head man...unless your a woman..then..carry on

tish!
 
2013-01-20 12:52:10 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-20 12:52:20 AM  
What!? None of these people died?! I thought guns were instant death machines, unlike knives.
 
LKM
2013-01-20 12:52:38 AM  

IlGreven: Mugato: I think the difference being that there isn't a convention where people get together and show each other how awesome and knowledgeable they are about booze.

Sure there are. Ever heard of Oktoberfest? How about wine tastings?


My brewing friends do this all the time.
 
2013-01-20 12:52:40 AM  

PaLarkin: So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows?


It's ironically funny because it happened on Gun Appreciation Day. Is that really hard to understand?
 
fdr
2013-01-20 12:52:51 AM  

eddievercetti: jehovahs witness protection: Every gun show I ever attended required all weapons to have zip-ties run through them to keep the bolt open.

To bad some dumbasses forget the advanced technology of a zip tie!


Zip-ties should be mandatory by law. Click Smart if you agree or Funny if you're irresponsible.
 
2013-01-20 12:53:04 AM  

PaLarkin: The gun control crowd wants to ban guns


Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Gun nuts and the NRA cannot talk rationally about the topic though, because even these common-sense measures are greeted with "OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS" and other paranoid bullshiat. They can't be reasoned with.
 
2013-01-20 12:53:18 AM  

PaLarkin: So what if a couple of people were shot at a couple of gun shows? People get hurt at car races. Do you want to ban the Indy 500 because someone might wreck at the next one?

People get hurt at football games. Let's ban football.

People get hurt at wrestling matches. Let's ban wrestling.

Asshats who text while driving cause wrecks. People who drive while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs kill people every day. Let's ban cars.

People get killed all the time in skydiving accidents. Let's ban sky diving.

People get killed in scuba diving accidents. Let's ban scuba diving.

People get killed in boating accidents. Let's ban boating.

People die on the operating table when something goes wrong. Let's ban surgery.

Every day people die in accidents. Let's ban any activity that can result in a fatal accident.

People commit violent crimes with knives. Let's ban knives.

People commit violent crimes with hammers. Let's ban hammers.

People commit violent crimes with bits of pipe. Let's ban pipe.

People commit violent crimes with rocks. Let's ban rocks.

People commit violent crimes with arrows. Let's ban archery.

People often kill others when they commit arson. Let's ban anything that burns or can be used to start a fire.


Look at all those Eggman's strawmen!
 
2013-01-20 12:53:37 AM  
"your a woman"


lol...send in the clowns
 
2013-01-20 12:54:06 AM  
There have been issues at fireworks stores/stands where people have lit off fireworks near by and caused the whole thing to go up in flames in minutes. I guess that means all fireworks stands everywhere are unsafe and we should close them down.

BTW, I bet there are more fireworks strand mishaps on 7/3 and 7/4 than any other day. I bet you could find a few incidents on the same day across this small, minimally populated country of ours and misleadingly tie them together into a trend that proves fireworks sellers are unsafe.

What about the tens of thousands of people who openly carried guns in nearly every state in the country with nary a single reported negligent discharge?
 
2013-01-20 12:54:14 AM  

Confabulat: Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.


Are you talking about AR-15s and such?
 
2013-01-20 12:54:39 AM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 541x720]


where the hell did that come from! thats...candy!
 
2013-01-20 12:55:20 AM  

Frank N Stein: Confabulat: Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Are you talking about AR-15s and such?


here we go again...

"that's not an assault rifle duuude..."
 
2013-01-20 12:57:22 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: Frank N Stein: Confabulat: Only a very extreme fringe wants to ban all guns. Most people are rational and are just considering background checks, or a ban on the extreme kill-em-all weaponry that exists only to kill a large number of folks in a short amount of time.

Are you talking about AR-15s and such?

here we go again...

"that's not an assault rifle duuude..."


That's not what I'm getting at.
 
2013-01-20 12:57:31 AM  

Amos Quito: My god, what next?

Plane crashes at airshows?


As a resident of Hillsboro, Oregon, that is not even remotely humorous.
 
2013-01-20 12:57:32 AM  

pedrop357: It might be helpful to know how many guns shows there were today vs other days, AND how many people were at those guns shows compared to other days. If there were 3 times as many gun shows attended by 5 times as many people, you start to see why today might be a more negligent (not accidental) day than normal looking at raw numbers.


Would the fact that these are supposed to be people who should know how to handle guns make any difference?
 
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