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(NPR)   All you conspiracy nuts raving about a huge night time light source in North Dakota that wasn't there six years ago can just relax. It's only oil frackers burning off massive amounts of natural gas   (npr.org) divider line 215
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2013-01-19 07:56:05 PM  

Target Builder: It costs them more to store, process and deliver the stuff than they can sell it for. Releasing huge volumes of it into the air creates a rather serious explosion hazard. So they just burn it.


Correct. Natural gas is used at the site or flared. Solution, regulate the companies to liquify it at the site or build an electric plant at the site or convert it to ethylene. Here's an example Link
 
2013-01-19 07:57:36 PM  
The lights are from light plants, not the burning of nat. gas.

You can't generally burn this gas in engines because of how wet it is.
 
2013-01-19 07:58:15 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business.


It's the hardcore greens. Obama does have to placate them, but all the fracking jobs in Ohio and Pennsylvania are part of what put him over the top in November and don't think the party doesn't know that.

Every bit of indigenous energy we can extract is that much less reason to bow and scrape to the Saudis.
 
2013-01-19 07:59:31 PM  

BGates: You can't generally burn this gas in engines because of how wet it is.


Funny, I've got 3 large waste gas generators on my property in the heart of the Bakken running on this stuff right now. Surely, it's impossible.
 
2013-01-19 07:59:31 PM  

GAT_00: Solon Isonomia: Dancin_In_Anson: Solon Isonomia: Right, but which manufacturers are creating the bottleneck at the DoE?

Here is am article regarding this issue.

And another.

Ahhhh, so the fight is over the amount of exports. Hmm... one would think an improved infrastructure combined with the heaps of newly available natural gas would be an effective way to keep domestic prices stable while reaping a profit on the export market. Of course, that would assume infrastructure could be created in a timely manner and the brokers on the futures market don't create too many wild price spikes.

Or you intentionally don't overshoot the demand so you don't have to burn off your product.  How hard is it to actually build for demand?


Reminds me of the forced destruction of crops and cattle at the end of WW1. It wound up hurting pretty much everyone. Same as the previous housing bubble, but more Americans were affected since (then, anyways) we were still more agrarian and there were fewer prtective measures put in place...not so many now, either...
 
2013-01-19 08:00:48 PM  
I suggest a new Fark policy that would make it mandatory to turn any thread about fracking into a Tricia Helfer, Grace Park, and Katee Sackoff thread.

So say we all?
 
2013-01-19 08:13:18 PM  

Brubold: I suggest a new Fark policy that would make it mandatory to turn any thread about fracking into a Tricia Helfer, Grace Park, and Katee Sackoff thread.

So say we all?


Not unless it also includes Maren Jensen
 
2013-01-19 08:19:03 PM  

BGates: The lights are from light plants, not the burning of nat. gas.

You can't generally burn this gas in engines because of how wet it is.


Not exactly true. It's both.

When there is a low cover of clouds and I'm driving to location the clouds glow brightest over the flares. This is because light plants are focused on the ground and because they still flare once the people leave and the light plants are gone.

And while you're mostly correct about engines, there are other ways to harness the energy. Turbines, for instance...
 
2013-01-19 08:19:24 PM  

GAT_00: brandent: GAT_00: brandent: Paris1127: Now, call me crazy, but why don't they, you know, use that natural gas? You know, instead of just burning it? Maybe use it to power the local community?

/fracking's bad enough
//now they're just being wasteful

a) There is no local community. This is extra
b) Nobody will let them build pipelines. Something about how it might hurt the environment to build a pipeline. So instead they burn it. Works out well that way.

You can build relatively safe pipelines.  The safety equipment exists that would prevent all the blowouts that are so common.  But the holy bottom line is better, and that costs a little more, so fark the future.

No what I'm saying is way more explicit. The Obama administration is putting blocks on the plans for pipelines. They'd rather the stuff burn off into the atmosphere I guess.

Those pipelines get blocked because the companies don't bother trying to prevent environmental damage. Keystone was blocked, for example, yes I know that's oil and not NG, because they didn't scout a route across Nebraska, leaving a very serious potential of an oil leak into the Ogallala aquifer. They don't use advanced safety techniques, because they know they won't have to pay for the decades of damage.

And even then, the pipeline was going to be confirmed as soon as they specified the route. These are being blocked because these lazy farks refuse to do basic work to prevent decades of damage for a few dollars.


Yes true. In this case it seems like there's a role for the administration to play however. Use their enforcement capabilities to fast track through the various state and federal agencies a plan however in return the company has to abide by strict requirements and also create a regulation (or perhaps enforce an existing one) that would eliminate or at least minimize flaring. But instead it seems the administration just wants to say no and let the damage take place somewhere like ND that nobody cares about.
 
2013-01-19 08:19:29 PM  
Farkin Frackers, pipe some my way, I'm almost out of propane and my oil bill has more chins than a Chinese phone book.

/miss natural gas
 
2013-01-19 08:25:55 PM  
Gotta love the environmentalists.

"You can't sell that gas, it's a fossil fuel and you'll contribute to global warming!"

"Okay, we'll just let it seep into the water table."

"NOOOOOOO! That makes it toxic waste!"

"Okay, we'll flare it off at the wells."

"NOOOOOOOOWHAARGARBL"

"What should we do with it then?"

"Stop using the magic machine that converts fossils into gas! That's all you have to do! Turn it off, and then there will never be any gas anywhere ever!"
 
2013-01-19 08:27:36 PM  
What a big fracking fire might look like
www.battlestarwiki.org
 
2013-01-19 08:29:46 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: And while you're mostly correct about engines, there are other ways to harness the energy. Turbines, for instance...


CSRV generators from Coates. Available days after a phone call. Inexpensive compared to turbines or other interesting generators, low maintenance and high efficiency. They work beautifully. Why more rights owners don't require them is beyond me.
 
2013-01-19 08:30:48 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Paris1127: Now, call me crazy, but why don't they, you know, use that natural gas?

Sometimes. It's cheap as shiat right now and they are drilling primarily for oil. It's not worth the effort or investment to build the infrastructure to pipe it out. Now, if there was say an overseas market that would be willing to pay a metric farkton more than it's bringing domestically...Oh wait!

That being said, flaring gas at the well site is nothing new. My Dad told me that back in the 50s you could drive through the fields south of Electra Texas at midnight at it was almost  as bright as day.


Sounds healthy.
 
2013-01-19 08:34:24 PM  
If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...
 
2013-01-19 08:37:30 PM  

Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...


You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?
 
2013-01-19 08:39:08 PM  
Short-sighted assholes.
 
2013-01-19 08:40:08 PM  

GAT_00: brandent: Paris1127: Now, call me crazy, but why don't they, you know, use that natural gas? You know, instead of just burning it? Maybe use it to power the local community?

/fracking's bad enough
//now they're just being wasteful

a) There is no local community. This is extra
b) Nobody will let them build pipelines. Something about how it might hurt the environment to build a pipeline. So instead they burn it. Works out well that way.

You can build relatively safe pipelines.  The safety equipment exists that would prevent all the blowouts that are so common.  But the holy bottom line is better, and that costs a little more, so fark the future.


Whether or not you have a point is overshadowed by your overzealous idealism.

Make your point without all of the hyperbole, and it will be taken more seriously. DIA would probably take you more seriously if you didn't just start off by accusing him of sucking corporate wang (paraphrased).
 
2013-01-19 08:40:50 PM  
I am still trying to absorb the Sandy Hook Ley Line Multiple Shooter theory. Too many things to be afraid of and they want my assault hunting weapons.
 
2013-01-19 08:41:19 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business. Glad to have this thread to show me exactly how.


Shut up retard, adults are talking.
 
2013-01-19 08:41:41 PM  

brandent: GAT_00: brandent: GAT_00: brandent: Paris1127: Now, call me crazy, but why don't they, you know, use that natural gas? You know, instead of just burning it? Maybe use it to power the local community?

/fracking's bad enough
//now they're just being wasteful

a) There is no local community. This is extra
b) Nobody will let them build pipelines. Something about how it might hurt the environment to build a pipeline. So instead they burn it. Works out well that way.

You can build relatively safe pipelines.  The safety equipment exists that would prevent all the blowouts that are so common.  But the holy bottom line is better, and that costs a little more, so fark the future.

No what I'm saying is way more explicit. The Obama administration is putting blocks on the plans for pipelines. They'd rather the stuff burn off into the atmosphere I guess.

Those pipelines get blocked because the companies don't bother trying to prevent environmental damage. Keystone was blocked, for example, yes I know that's oil and not NG, because they didn't scout a route across Nebraska, leaving a very serious potential of an oil leak into the Ogallala aquifer. They don't use advanced safety techniques, because they know they won't have to pay for the decades of damage.

And even then, the pipeline was going to be confirmed as soon as they specified the route. These are being blocked because these lazy farks refuse to do basic work to prevent decades of damage for a few dollars.

Yes true. In this case it seems like there's a role for the administration to play however. Use their enforcement capabilities to fast track through the various state and federal agencies a plan however in return the company has to abide by strict requirements and also create a regulation (or perhaps enforce an existing one) that would eliminate or at least minimize flaring. But instead it seems the administration just wants to say no and let the damage take place somewhere like ND that nobody cares about.


Before you start unzipping your pants to jerk off over the pipeline, keep in mind it was going to be built so production from the oil sands in Canada, currently our main source of gasoline, could instead be shipped to more profitable areas of the world, which in turn would have raised our fuel prices. So, yeah, fark the pipeline, and every industry shill who supports it.
 
2013-01-19 08:44:37 PM  
It's only oil frackers burning off massive amounts of natural gas . . .

. . . to keep energy prices high.
 
2013-01-19 08:45:17 PM  

rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?


you know how I know that you are a troll?

automobiles.honda.com
 
2013-01-19 08:46:36 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]


So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?
 
2013-01-19 08:47:34 PM  

Old enough to know better: 1) Burn off gas now.

2) Cry about a "natural gas shortage" in ten years and triple the price.

3) Profit!


So, you're saying I should buy stock in the natural gas companies now?
 
2013-01-19 08:47:50 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?


Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.
 
2013-01-19 08:49:36 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.


As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.
 
2013-01-19 08:50:57 PM  

Solon Isonomia: Dancin_In_Anson: Paris1127: Now, call me crazy, but why don't they, you know, use that natural gas?

Sometimes. It's cheap as shiat right now and they are drilling primarily for oil. It's not worth the effort or investment to build the infrastructure to pipe it out. Now, if there was say an overseas market that would be willing to pay a metric farkton more than it's bringing domestically...Oh wait!

That being said, flaring gas at the well site is nothing new. My Dad told me that back in the 50s you could drive through the fields south of Electra Texas at midnight at it was almost  as bright as day.

Still, it feels like they're leaving money on the table, even with the cost of infrastructure in comparison to the massive desire for natural gas. It's a limited resource, why not just gather and store?


Because they make more short-term profit this way. Just as Supply Side Jesus commanded.

It's like you don't know anything about Real Murica.
 
2013-01-19 08:51:32 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.


Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.
 
2013-01-19 08:53:34 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.


And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.
 
2013-01-19 08:56:39 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.


I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000
 
2013-01-19 08:58:09 PM  
Meanwhile, my power company is charging me $180 a month for natural gas. Gee, they wouldn't have any incentive to keep supply low.
 
2013-01-19 08:59:49 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.


WTF are you talking about? Environmentalists never oppose converting cars from gasoline to NG, because of the drastically reduced emissions:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternati ve /index.htm
 
2013-01-19 09:03:42 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000


Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?
 
2013-01-19 09:06:13 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

WTF are you talking about? Environmentalists never oppose converting cars from gasoline to NG, because of the drastically reduced emissions:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-natural-gas-alternati ve /index.htm


really?

http://reason.com/archives/2011/05/10/environmentalists-were-for-fr


http://content.sierraclub.org/naturalgas/links/environmentalists-con ti nue-fight-against-lng-frackin

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/why_are_environmentalists_taking_anti-s ci ence_positions/2584

http://marcellusdrilling.com/2011/06/new-york-post-the-real-reason-e nv ironmentalists-dont-like-natural-gas/


Also I have family in San Fransisco... Rabid libs they could be called, though I love them the same. they are anti-fracking and anti-oil in general, and are trying to have this stuff shut down in California.
 
2013-01-19 09:07:21 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000

Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?


Let me know when battery technology catches up with that perfect dream of yours. Also... twice the price of dirt cheap is still dirt cheap.
 
2013-01-19 09:12:24 PM  
maybe I forgot to mention that this stuff is all over the US... not just Texas and ND... literaly, it is under every coast, the top, bottom and center of our country....
 
2013-01-19 09:13:47 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000

Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?

Let me know when battery technology catches up with that perfect dream of yours. Also... twice the price of dirt cheap is still dirt cheap.


Meanwhile, we're dropping high voltage DC lines from the Bakken to Minneapolis so we have a productive outlet for this power source. Compared to the nonexistent pipelines, it seems a good idea. Waste gas generators will start consuming the gas that's currently being flared off and electricity will show up both inexpensive and environmentally friendly compared to current coal sources.

But hey, your personal issue is much more important than the reality that there's so damned much energy coming out of the Bakken we can't use it currently.
 
2013-01-19 09:15:28 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000

Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?

Let me know when battery technology catches up with that perfect dream of yours. Also... twice the price of dirt cheap is still dirt cheap.

Meanwhile, we're dropping high voltage DC lines from the Bakken to Minneapolis so we have a productive outlet for this power source. Compared to the nonexistent pipelines, it seems a good idea. Waste gas generators will start consuming the gas that's currently being flared off and electricity will sho ...


my personal agenda? what would that be? I want natural gas to power everything possible as cheaply as possible... WTF is your mental malfunction?
 
2013-01-19 09:17:34 PM  

Maul555: stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business. Glad to have this thread to show me exactly how.

Shut up retard, adults are talking.


So today I learned one of the names adults use when they disagree with someone.
 
2013-01-19 09:18:39 PM  

SomeoneDumb: Maul555: stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business. Glad to have this thread to show me exactly how.

Shut up retard, adults are talking.

So today I learned one of the names adults use when they disagree with someone.


Trolls get the respect they deserve.
 
2013-01-19 09:20:36 PM  

Maul555: SomeoneDumb: Maul555: stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business. Glad to have this thread to show me exactly how.

Shut up retard, adults are talking.

So today I learned one of the names adults use when they disagree with someone.

Trolls get the respect they deserve.


There's that. I was hoping you'd handle it better than that. I may need to drink more.

/Keep fighting, sir
 
2013-01-19 09:21:33 PM  

SomeoneDumb: Maul555: SomeoneDumb: Maul555: stiletto_the_wise: Somehow, I knew this was somehow Obama's fault, and not greed and short-sightedness on the part of business. Glad to have this thread to show me exactly how.

Shut up retard, adults are talking.

So today I learned one of the names adults use when they disagree with someone.

Trolls get the respect they deserve.

There's that. I was hoping you'd handle it better than that. I may need to drink more.

/Keep fighting, sir


well at least we have one thing in common

/me takes another swig of beer
 
2013-01-19 09:22:10 PM  

fusillade762: Tempers are rising. Gas is burning. Drillers are drilling.

Dealers keep dealin'
Thieves keep thievin'
Whores keep whorin'
Junkies keep scorin'
Trade is on the meat rack
Strip joints full of hunchbacks
biatches keep biatchin'
Clap keeps itchin'


Beds keep burnin?

/Just sayin..
 
2013-01-19 09:22:40 PM  

Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000

Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?

Let me know when battery technology catches up with that perfect dream of yours. Also... twice the price of dirt cheap is still dirt cheap.

Meanwhile, we're dropping high voltage DC lines from the Bakken to Minneapolis so we have a productive outlet for this power source. Compared to the nonexistent pipelines, it seems a good idea. Waste gas generators will start consuming the gas that's currently being flared off and electricity w ...


Uh, the infrastructure to transport from the Bakken to anywhere it could be used without transforming it to electricity is both cost and environmentally prohibitive. I don't know if you've looked at a map lately, but there's no consumer base in ND. My county has more people than the whole state of ND and I'm in podunk Spokane.

I'd agree, we should be making better use of NG, but when discussing the Bakken, the rules change. NG cars aren't part of the equation.
 
2013-01-19 09:24:09 PM  
And I might mention that I have attempted to engage in debate on facebook with one of my anti-fracking relatives. Not a single reply... It is just an anecdote.. take it as you will...
 
2013-01-19 09:26:55 PM  

rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: rohar: Maul555: If the environmentalists where not so opposed to using natural gas to power our vehicles, this stuff would not be burned off anywhere near the rate it is now. I would love a CNG car...

You know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?

you know how I know that you are a troll?

[automobiles.honda.com image 797x451]

So how do we get the natural gas from ND to TX and still have a marketable price?

Maybe you are not familiar with Texas... We have enough natural gas under our ground to power the world.

As does ND. Meanwhile, most of the country isn't in ND or TX. Transportation costs are prohibitive with such a product at scale. Meanwhile, we have the technology to turn this waste gas into electricity and transport it thousands of miles now, for low cost.

Talk to the environmentalists. they keep trying to push out great alternatives in search of their perfect renewable dream.

And you suggest less efficient solutions than they do. You'll excuse me, but from my perspective you're not better. Bring a solution or bugger off.

I have... You must be a troll... Natrual gas is much cleaner than gasoline, much cheaper, easier to turn into fuel, and extract from the ground. also most current vehicles can be retrofitted to run on CNG for less than $1000

Yes it is, but transport doubles the price. If you simply convert it to electric at the source, the overhead is cut by as much as 90%. This starting to make any sense yet?

Let me know when battery technology catches up with that perfect dream of yours. Also... twice the price of dirt cheap is still dirt cheap.

Meanwhile, we're dropping high voltage DC lines from the Bakken to Minneapolis so we have a productive outlet for this power source. Compared to the nonexistent pipelines, it seems a good idea. Waste gas generators will start consuming the gas that's currently being flared off and elec ...


And why are they not part of the equation? We should have a national drive to incentivise gas stations to install the appropriate infrastructure. You don't even need pipelines. Gasoline is hauled all over this country all the time with trucks... And pipelines are not cost prohibitive if there is market demand. It is a chicken and egg scenario, but one that is very easy to overcome.
 
2013-01-19 09:37:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: But the holy bottom line is better, and that costs a little more, so fark the future.

Jesus farking God boy. Do you realize that if exports were allowed, the price would go up enough to afford to build these "relatively safe' pipelines and use the product in industry and power generation thereby preserving the 'future' via the desired green path?!


GAT_00's a faux know-it-all jerkoff. Don't bother with facts or logic
 
2013-01-19 09:38:09 PM  

Maul555: And why are they not part of the equation?


Uh, because all the cars are nowhere near the Bakken?
 
2013-01-19 09:38:59 PM  

pedrop357: Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: But the holy bottom line is better, and that costs a little more, so fark the future.

Jesus farking God boy. Do you realize that if exports were allowed, the price would go up enough to afford to build these "relatively safe' pipelines and use the product in industry and power generation thereby preserving the 'future' via the desired green path?!

GAT_00's a faux know-it-all jerkoff. Don't bother with facts or logic


I blocked him a long time ago, but am still amused by his posts in other peoples quotes all the time....
 
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