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(Log Cabin Democrat)   Christians are being persecuted in Arkansas again. Religious groups told they cannot preach during lunch at public schools any longer   (thecabin.net) divider line 43
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3435 clicks; posted to Politics » on 19 Jan 2013 at 6:55 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-01-19 04:08:17 PM
17 votes:
Bring in some Pantheistic believers and let the kids decide for themselves.

"Alright kids, would you like to listen to Pastor Mark talk about Jesus or Berzerker Erik talk about channeling the warrior spirit of the gods?"
2013-01-19 09:17:06 PM
8 votes:
SkinnyHead: If I put any more time into it, I'll have to start billing the school district.  I've done enough to accomplish my purpose, which was to dazzle Farkers with my mastery of the law.

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2013-01-19 07:35:55 PM
7 votes:
lh6.ggpht.com
2013-01-19 04:47:56 PM
7 votes:
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2013-01-19 05:14:43 PM
6 votes:

SilentStrider: Odds that I'll hear more about this later on facebook?
Hugh.


"IF YOU DON'T SHARE THIS YOU HATE JESUS!"
2013-01-19 04:24:53 PM
6 votes:
If only these children had more guns, they wouldn't need preachers to criticize them.
2013-01-19 08:28:43 PM
4 votes:
Life in Fartbongo's Fartmerica: I can't indoctrinate children into my cannibalistic death cult on school property during school hours. FREEDOM IS OVER.
2013-01-19 07:13:40 PM
4 votes:
No, they need to be told about "Bob" and the Miracle of $1. If Sister Suzie the Floozie and Sister Mary Squared showed up to tell them about the Saucers of the Sex Goddesses and the Land of Eternal Squirt, why, those kids would get right with Jehovah-1, the Aliens Space Brain Who came again and again to JUSTIFY their sins, praise Dobbs!
Pass that bowl of 'Frop around and take out the Buckets of Pils! We'll have us a good old fashioned down-home DEVIVAL ! YEEE HAWWW!
2013-01-19 05:02:47 PM
4 votes:
Those poor, poor persecuted Christians.  I just don't know how they make it through their endless days of sadness and misery.
2013-01-19 04:34:27 PM
4 votes:
www.bible-researcher.com

Welcome to 0bama's America, comrades
2013-01-19 08:44:50 PM
3 votes:
media.tumblr.com

Skinnyhead and skulltard in the same thread, time to leave....

/The Arkansas Christians are not going to fark you for "standing up for them".
//Well actually they might if you go to the right rest area bathroom
2013-01-19 05:40:16 PM
3 votes:

Solon Isonomia: Incomplete analysis.


Yes, it was a SkinnyHead post.  Now punch yourself for quoting one of the most known trolls and taking it seriously.
2013-01-19 05:14:08 PM
3 votes:
Who would want to endure raucous proselytizing and tasteless gruel simultaneously?
2013-01-19 09:05:50 PM
2 votes:
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2013-01-19 08:24:40 PM
2 votes:
"I get older, they stay the same age." said Pastor Wooderson.
2013-01-19 07:49:31 PM
2 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Bring in some Pantheistic believers and let the kids decide for themselves.

"Alright kids, would you like to listen to Pastor Mark talk about Jesus or Berzerker Erik talk about channeling the warrior spirit of the gods?"


Invite some Pastafarians. Cafeteria probably has mac n' cheese on any given day. They could call it communion.
2013-01-19 07:39:59 PM
2 votes:
goddammit.

HIGH, not HUGE.

Brain not working. Caffeine no longer helping. Nap time.
2013-01-19 07:39:22 PM
2 votes:
Pastor misses his former lover? Why else he would want to go there?
2013-01-19 06:16:28 PM
2 votes:
Wait...WTH am I reading in this thread?  Is Skinnyhead engaging in a reasoned (though admittedly characteristically wrong) legal debate?

I feel dirty.
2013-01-19 05:08:41 PM
2 votes:
Odds that I'll hear more about this later on facebook?
Hugh.
2013-01-19 04:21:48 PM
2 votes:
It's kinda weird that preachers feel the need to keep in touch with these kids off church hours.
2013-01-19 11:47:30 PM
1 votes:
Matthew 6

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
2013-01-19 11:11:16 PM
1 votes:
You'd think they'd like this. After all Christians get orgasms when they're told "no".
2013-01-19 11:07:23 PM
1 votes:

Somacandra: skullkrusher: FFS dude, she said that parents complained. That was factually incorrect. I corrected her with a quote from TFA.

[i.imgur.com image 607x433]

And it looks like you were too quick to do that. The FFRF people say they've had complaints. Who should be believed? People from Madison Wisconsin working for a private foundation aren't using a crystal ball to figure out they want to contact people in Conway, AK.


True.  Atheists don't use crystal balls.  We talk directly with Satan - no intermediary needed
2013-01-19 10:56:54 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: As long as there's a policy that students can have friends visit them at school, those friends can be clergymembers


Yeah, those underaged peens aren't going to suck themselves.
2013-01-19 10:38:47 PM
1 votes:
Maybe the teachers should show up at the church on Sunday for some impromptu lessons on evolution?
2013-01-19 09:13:45 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Doktor_Zhivago: [media.tumblr.com image 480x552]

Skinnyhead and skulltard in the same thread, time to leave....

/The Arkansas Christians are not going to fark you for "standing up for them".
//Well actually they might if you go to the right rest area bathroom

wow, you sure hightailed it out of the thread last night pretty fast. Not even a word of apology either. You are lowclass and dim. Congrats!


I do sleep sometimes.
And I'm sorry you're a gigantic dipshiat. :'(

Why can't we just have church at church, and school at school? I don't understand. I grew up going to church and my pastor/youth group leaders never wandered into my cafeteria to proselytize people that was what going to church was for. Of course I grew up in the ELCA and they don't think that jesus is coming back riding on a 6 headed dragon to burn teh gheys and jews with searing hellfire so there is that...

Also this

Raharu: Metaluna Mutant: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x399]

THIS.


Also, THIS ^^^
2013-01-19 08:43:07 PM
1 votes:

Hip_and_Edgy: Went to school about 10 min away from conway and we had this same thing go on

I always forget how strange that is until I look at it from someone else's perspective. We had open prayer in science classes, and evolution was mostly a joke.

Probably for the best that it ended, but the pastors did bring pizza with them and it was pretty easy to steal it when they were busy lecturing people


How were they lecturing? In a corner quietly? In a room? Loudly in a large cafeteria?
2013-01-19 08:38:53 PM
1 votes:
God stopped the sun at Jericho, but He can't be bothered to rain down fury on this bullshiat.

Christians, you might want to rethink your path. Just sayin'.
2013-01-19 08:19:43 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: I've done enough to accomplish my purpose, which was to dazzle Farkers with my mastery of the law.


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2013-01-19 08:03:09 PM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: Coco LaFemme 2013-01-19 05:02:47 PM

Those poor, poor persecuted Christians. I just don't know how they make it through their endless days of sadness and misery.


Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me

Book of Precious Persecutions,
Chapter 1, verses 1-4



Okay --

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Which one are you?
2013-01-19 07:54:39 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Why is it that being atheist requires you to be a whiny litigious obnoxious asshole?


Because equal and opposite reaction.
2013-01-19 07:49:47 PM
1 votes:
If it's truly as the school district describes it -- that these are visits from the brainwasher to the children authorized by parents, with equal open access to other visitors -- there's no violation. It's no different than the little mind-victims gathering around the flag-pole to pray away their sense of reason before it develops.
2013-01-19 07:47:09 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: Why is it that being atheist requires you to be a whiny litigious obnoxious asshole?



Because overbearing pompous Christians feel entitled to their way in everything.
2013-01-19 07:46:34 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Bring in some Pantheistic believers and let the kids decide for themselves.

"Alright kids, would you like to listen to Pastor Mark talk about Jesus or Berzerker Erik talk about channeling the warrior spirit of the gods?"

Indeed. If this was ANY religion besides Christianity being allowed exclusive access to children during the school day people would FLIP THE F*CK OUT.



There is a United States Congressman currently flipping his lid about a post-secondary school using a $627 grant to buy some books about Islam. You just can't make this shiat up.
2013-01-19 07:39:01 PM
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Hugh.


WTF?

I typed huge. I know I did.
2013-01-19 07:26:02 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: On the issue of whether lunch hour visitation constitutes a limited public forum, I would cite Prince v. Jacoby, 303 F.3d 1074, 1090-1091 (9th Cir.2002) as a case the recognized a "limited public forum" during school hours for purposes of free speech analysis, within the meaning of Good News Club v. Millford.


Better, but bear in mind you're relying on a single court's authority - try to spread out your sources lest someone sandbags you with a standard followed by four other circuits. You're also running into some of the same problems as before - you're citing something that can be distinguished on factual grounds.  Prince involved student led groups and a broad policy by the school to allow access to groups, thus creating a limited public forum. In the school in the article, you have informal visitors in the lunch room without an explicit mention of a similar policy. Citing  Prince is a step in one direction, but you need to articulate what  Prince stands for, how it applies to this particular case, and how supports your argument to expand the constitutional protection.

Prince v. Jacoby also answers the Establishment Clause concerns (1092-1094.)  "Like the Good News Club, the World Changers seek nothing more than to be treated neutrally and given access to speak about the same topics as other groups. Id. There is no question that requiring that the School District grant religious groups access to the ASB forum would ensure neutrality."  (1092)

Again, the quoted text directly references the ASB (Associated Student Body) club policy - the facts at hand in this article do not necessarily discuss such a policy. You need to apply the rule articulated in  Prince to the situation at hand to make your point. Sometimes it's akin to arguing from analogy, but that's a fast way to explain it. You're finding the authority, but you're not using it properly. To use an analogy, you're holding a gun and are throwing it like a rock instead of firing it. The later takes time and skill, but is much more effective and productive.
2013-01-19 07:09:25 PM
1 votes:
Coco LaFemme 2013-01-19 05:02:47 PM

Those poor, poor persecuted Christians. I just don't know how they make it through their endless days of sadness and misery.


Gloom, despair, and agony on me
Deep, dark depression, excessive misery
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair, and agony on me


Book of Precious Persecutions,
Chapter 1, verses 1-4
2013-01-19 07:04:38 PM
1 votes:
No no no this is brilliant. The preachers can be heavily armed and--pew pew pew!--gun down any liberal Muslim murderers.
2013-01-19 07:03:11 PM
1 votes:

Spanky_McFarksalot: now now, I'm sure the parents and school would have no problem if muslims came to the school to preach.

right?


Hare Krishnas would be even better.
2013-01-19 06:01:20 PM
1 votes:
If the school allows invited guests to visit students for lunch, there's no problem with religious representatives visiting students whose parents invited them. However, if those guests try to speak to children other than those by whom they were invited, that's a problem, not even because of religion. Would any parent want any adult not employed by the school to approach their children? What if instead of "Have you heard the good news?" the question is "Do you like gladiator movies?" or "Have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
2013-01-19 05:33:37 PM
1 votes:
Do like in Mesa, AZ. The kids go across the street to the Mormon seminary. It's one of their scheduled class periods; a break where  they can leave campus.

Otherwise I want evolution lectured upon in Sunday school each week.
2013-01-19 05:14:53 PM
1 votes:

SkinnyHead: Under current school visitation policy, friends and family can come visit children at lunch.

By allowing students to receive visitors during their lunch hour, the school has created a limited public forum.  It would violate the 1st and 14th Amendments to deny visitation by a friend, just because it's a friend from church.  And it would be unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination to deny visits, just because religious matters are discussed during those visits.  That's the way I see it, anyways.


Well, that's nice.
 
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