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2013-01-20 12:25:52 AM
2 votes:

Neondistraction: Gunther: nburghmatt: it's great. what they don't know can't be subpoenaed from them.

Aren't you protected from incriminating yourself? Or does the 5th amendment somehow not apply when computers are involved?

It's kind of a gray area where computers are concerned. I believe there have been a case or two where people who have had subpoenaed files on an encrypted hard drive and been ordered to turn over the encryption key. If they refused they could be held in contempt of court until they decided to comply. I believe they have to have a reasonable suspicion of exactly what files are encrypted before they can order you to decrypt it, but at least in some cases it's been decided that the 5th amendment doesn't apply there.


That's right - the 5th amendment doesn't apply to encryption keys. It's treated the same way as a physical search, that is to say, if the cops get a warrant to search your warehouse signed by a judge and they can't break into it because it's impervious, you have to turn over the keys or you are in contempt of court. Same thing applies to encrypted data, if the cops can't decrypt it and they have a search warrant for it, then you have to turn over the keys or go to jail.

What the changes made to megaupload really do is just make it harder for people to know what files are being stored without getting individual court orders for users of the service to have them reveal their keys. It doesn't actually protect his company all that much because depending on what jurisdiction his file servers are in, they can still be seized as evidence.
2013-01-19 11:26:20 PM
2 votes:

Gunther: nburghmatt: it's great. what they don't know can't be subpoenaed from them.

Aren't you protected from incriminating yourself? Or does the 5th amendment somehow not apply when computers are involved?


It's kind of a gray area where computers are concerned. I believe there have been a case or two where people who have had subpoenaed files on an encrypted hard drive and been ordered to turn over the encryption key. If they refused they could be held in contempt of court until they decided to comply. I believe they have to have a reasonable suspicion of exactly what files are encrypted before they can order you to decrypt it, but at least in some cases it's been decided that the 5th amendment doesn't apply there.
2013-01-19 11:03:26 PM
2 votes:

Wolf_Blitzer: Dante87336: narkor: As long as fat german dudes living in NZ get paid a couple of cents for that copy and the person who created the item being shared doesn't, the internet is working as normal.

Yeah, I agree. It is preposterous that media executives get paid so much money and the actual artists get paid little for it.

This is a valid concern, but don't pretend you're engaging in some sort of moral crusade by pirating stuff.


This. If you want to do something about artists being screwed, go out and support an indie band's direct distribution or buy a concert video direct from Louie CK. As more artists see they can make money going direct to the consumer, it'll take more and more of that undeserved wealth out of the hands of the middlemen.
2013-01-19 10:51:57 PM
2 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: If you're going to do that, go with a RickRoll. Can't go wrong with the classics.


The idea here is to completely avoid copyright violation or illegal activity. But me, in a homemade cardboard robot costume, dancing badly? That's my intellectual property and I can upload it wherever I choose.
2013-01-19 10:37:06 PM
2 votes:

Gunther: nburghmatt: it's great. what they don't know can't be subpoenaed from them.

Aren't you protected from incriminating yourself? Or does the 5th amendment somehow not apply when computers are involved?


Servers can be seized, subpoenas can be issued to show the content of drives. With all of it encrypted, Mega can hand over all the drives they want and all the prosecutor will get is a bunch of unreadable encrypted data.
2013-01-19 10:04:57 PM
2 votes:

GreenAdder: It would be fun to just upload video of myself tapdancing badly in a robot costume. To ensure a huge bloated file size, I'd use no video or audio compression. Then I'd name it something sinister, daring people to try and crack the encryption.

Just sayin'...


If you're going to do that, go with a RickRoll. Can't go wrong with the classics.
2013-01-19 09:37:03 PM
2 votes:
From the site:

What is MEGA User Controlled Encryption?

All files stored on MEGA are encrypted. All data transfers from and to MEGA are encrypted. And while most cloud storage providers can and do claim the same, MEGA is different - unlike the industry norm where the cloud storage provider holds the decryption key, with MEGA, you control the encryption, you hold the keys, and you decide who you grant or deny access to your files, without requiring any risky software installs. It's all happening in your web browser!


At an other point they state that they can by no means decrypt your files. This is something cloud storage providers should be doing from day 0.
2013-01-19 09:28:23 PM
2 votes:

narkor: As long as fat german dudes living in NZ get paid a couple of cents for that copy and the person who created the item being shared doesn't, the internet is working as normal.


Yeah, I agree. It is preposterous that media executives get paid so much money and the actual artists get paid little for it.
2013-01-19 05:56:01 PM
2 votes:
eddievercetti: cops will be knocking again

What I understand, the cops are going to find finding the servers a little more difficult this time.
2013-01-21 09:22:11 PM
1 votes:

mrexcess: willfullyobscure: I think its more of a legal mechanism than anything else... the technological equivalent of the legal difference between a locked door and an unlocked one. If a door is unlocked, a cop can open it and walk inside without legal problems, but even a very easily-picked lock requires a warrant.


its well past "clever technomarketing gimmick" into dangerously inept. a bunch of Chinese and the Estonians are going to use this as the hacker equivalent of a McDs ball pit.
2013-01-21 01:30:45 PM
1 votes:
From the other, now duplicate-deleted thread:

doczoidberg
Giving people a way to backup their data without anyone else getting into it is somehow supposed to be a BAD thing?

I think it's a testament to how conditioned we've all become to desiring the loving embrace of Big Brother. Suddenly its a Bond-villain level threat to FREEDUM if you want to have a safe that The Man doesn't have his very own key to. And not even a safe that can contain something dangerous like explosives, just a safe to contain digital information.
2013-01-20 02:45:24 PM
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kroonermanblack: Most cloud services don't need to 'encrypt' data for dubiously legal means, which means they don't need to spend the cash for more processor cycles for encryption protocols/algorythms/right wordhere.

So they don't. But mega is entirely different in purpose and execution, so they do.


I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Another is to say other services don't encrypt data because of cost much to the detriment of their users. They don't need to encrypt anything for "dubious" legal reasons, they should do it to provide secure hosting for their users. SpiderOak is a good example of a hosted storage service that has a high security rating simply for the fact that they encrypt by default. Encrypted files/accounts are good for users, full stop. They data is kept private to only those they share their key with.

Dropbox, Skydrive, et al don't do it because they don't want to spend the money. Not because they don't promote non-legal uses for their account. I can upload and share all manner of copyright material in Dropbox, Skydrive, and Google Drive and share it with everyone. And people do this. A lot. But the FBI isn't raiding Google or Microsoft's servers.
2013-01-20 10:57:36 AM
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: machoprogrammer: "And I believe you have Joe Biden's cock so far in your mouth that you can't see anything but his ballsack. Your point?"

Besides the one on your head?


Boy, that escalated quickly.

*sips a High Life*

/the champagne of beers
2013-01-20 10:04:41 AM
1 votes:

traylor: From the site:

What is MEGA User Controlled Encryption?

All files stored on MEGA are encrypted. All data transfers from and to MEGA are encrypted. And while most cloud storage providers can and do claim the same, MEGA is different - unlike the industry norm where the cloud storage provider holds the decryption key, with MEGA, you control the encryption, you hold the keys, and you decide who you grant or deny access to your files, without requiring any risky software installs. It's all happening in your web browser!

At an other point they state that they can by no means decrypt your files. This is something cloud storage providers should be doing from day 0.


Most cloud services don't need to 'encrypt' data for dubiously legal means, which means they don't need to spend the cash for more processor cycles for encryption protocols/algorythms/right wordhere.

So they don't. But mega is entirely different in purpose and execution, so they do.
2013-01-19 11:36:50 PM
1 votes:
Good on him for not giving up. He never did anything illegal to begin with. Last year people gave him grief for running into the safe room but not locking the door or anyhing. What they fail to grasp is that he never intended to flee. He just wanted to be on camera so they couldn't murder him on the spot.
2013-01-19 10:51:50 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait for the MPAA and RIAA's fair and reasoned responses.
2013-01-19 10:44:10 PM
1 votes:
The Obi-Wan Kenobi of P2P file sharing. I'm surprised he doesn't walk around as a "blue glowie" at this point.
2013-01-19 10:24:20 PM
1 votes:

jaylectricity: I tried going to the site but it was still down.

https://mega.co.nz/


Yeah, talk about a bomb. I was able to create an account about 6 hours ago but none of my attempts to upload a file has worked. This is why Google starts their new stuff with invitations. It keeps the service from being flooded on opening day.
2013-01-19 09:51:54 PM
1 votes:

Dante87336: narkor: As long as fat german dudes living in NZ get paid a couple of cents for that copy and the person who created the item being shared doesn't, the internet is working as normal.

Yeah, I agree. It is preposterous that media executives get paid so much money and the actual artists get paid little for it.


This is a valid concern, but don't pretend you're engaging in some sort of moral crusade by pirating stuff.
2013-01-19 09:51:10 PM
1 votes:

traylor: From the site:

What is MEGA User Controlled Encryption?

All files stored on MEGA are encrypted. All data transfers from and to MEGA are encrypted. And while most cloud storage providers can and do claim the same, MEGA is different - unlike the industry norm where the cloud storage provider holds the decryption key, with MEGA, you control the encryption, you hold the keys, and you decide who you grant or deny access to your files, without requiring any risky software installs. It's all happening in your web browser!

At an other point they state that they can by no means decrypt your files. This is something cloud storage providers should be doing from day 0.


it's great. what they don't know can't be subpoenaed from them.
2013-01-19 08:24:51 PM
1 votes:

TheManofPA: Sgygus: eddievercetti: cops will be knocking again

What I understand, the cops are going to find finding the servers a little more difficult this time.

The servers are on Dantooine


There you see? She can be reasonable.
2013-01-19 05:09:48 PM
1 votes:
The moment Hollywood gets paranoid again, cops will be knocking again.
2013-01-19 05:00:30 PM
1 votes:
Distributed servers?  No problem, we have plenty of these:

i1269.photobucket.com

What Hollywood wants, Hollywood gets-- so long as the  bribes campaign contributions keep coming in.
2013-01-19 04:38:50 PM
1 votes:
Ha Ha Guy unavailable for comment.

/I, for one, welcome back our old, file-sharing overlord.
 
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