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(My Northwest)   The Bread of Life Mission told not to feed the homeless in Seattle city parks. Let them pick-up trash, clean the city for their meals   (mynorthwest.com) divider line 174
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2013-01-20 12:54:44 AM  

BronyMedic: whidbey: BronyMedic: You have no idea, historically, what the hell you're talking about, you social justice white knight you.

Ensuring that the homeless have safe, sanitary food, and offering them programs which allow them to work and rise above their conditions in exchange for reasonable pay and assitance with placement in housing and educations is NOT slavery.

Oh farking can the history lesson.

The WPA!=the Bread of Life Mission

Jesus.

Oh shut up, you opened the door on this, now reap the rewards of being criticised for your hyperbole of "slavery".

You were the one that decided to invoke the monacker of "Slavery" as a label to this whole thing, which is a fallicious comparison - and borderline offensive considering the conditions that actual slaves are kept in or have historically been kept in. The fact of the matter is no one is forcing these people, against their will, to work for food or shelter. There are plenty of OTHER programs in the city of Seattle which do not require them to do any work or labor to participate in them. The funny thing is, you seem to have no problems with "religious" missions for the "homeless" which force them to participate in religious activities in exchange for food and shelter, something they are notorious for, and some who actively discriminate against Non-Christian, and Non-Heterosexual homeless individuals.


The funny thing is you got cockslapped trying to compare apples to oranges, and now you have gonorrhea of the mouth. Better do something about that.
 
2013-01-20 01:23:08 AM  

whidbey: The funny thing is you got cockslapped trying to compare apples to oranges, and now you have gonorrhea of the mouth. Better do something about that.


So basically, "I got called out for using hyperbole, now I'm going to troll and threadshiat"?
 
2013-01-20 01:33:11 AM  

whidbey: LOL I didn't realize a Fox News brand of subjective hatred constituted objective reality.


You mean the reality that there are people out there who have built their lives on scamming and taking advantage of the altruism of others, and who use shaming tactics and appeals to emotion to silence people who would criticize those behaviors? People that, even if EVERY facet of American society were built to cater to their needs to rise above their current socioeconomic problems - free mental health, job/housing/education placement - would still game the system and the people around them?

I'm glad the world you live in is such Sunshine and Rainbows, and anything questioning it is Fox News Propaganda. Meanwhile, the rest of us will live in the real world, where there actually ARE people who live their lives like that, and - I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp - take advantage of the altruism of society as a whole to continue to enable them to do so.
 
2013-01-20 02:14:54 AM  

cynicalbastard: I had a great idea for city cleaning. Corvids (crows, ravens, jays) are extremely intelligent. And hungry much of the time. Set up special dispensers that drop out set amounts of seed, corn, peanuts, watever when garbage items are dropped in the top and catch and train a few crows to do this. Then release the birds.
Within a few weeks every crow in the city will have learned from the others, and within a couple months if you tosses a Tim Horton's cup from a moving car it would never hit the ground before something large and feathery swooped in to catch it. And the city would have a cleanup crew- or cleanup crows- that literally would work for peanuts.


That's frighteningly brilliant.

Have you forwarded this to the city? Because you should....

/serious
 
2013-01-20 03:45:27 AM  

BronyMedic: You mean the reality that there are people out there who have built their lives on scamming and taking advantage of the altruism of others


Fantasy is reality.

Dude, you really should just stop pretending you're a liberal and start screaming what oppressive right-wing bullshiat you'd really love to subject us to en masse. It would be glorious.
 
2013-01-20 04:02:16 AM  

FormlessOne: FloydA: I'd like to offer a big, hearty, steaming bowl of Fark You, with a side of KITBASH to the city officials who did this.

This, basically. The real reason is that they're out of sight of the tourists and "real" people when they're served under a friggin' overpass, in a fenced-in area, like they're subhumans.

Goodness forbid the rich have to gaze upon the starving poor.


When they're not getting aid in the form of free meals they just have to panhandle for food and booze money. You know who are suckers? Tourists.

So now they just pushed the homeless from a centralized spot to the busy places all over the city and tourist traps. Which makes them much more visible.
 
2013-01-20 04:26:28 AM  

netcentric: Dead Sea creatures washing up onshore. Won't someone think of th environment.


In tidal mint?
 
2013-01-20 04:31:01 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The ones who don't either have some kind of serious mental or substance abuse issues and WOULD work if they could get help--and thanks to our society, they cannot


I never understood why politicians don't get what an ROI is. Spending money now on mental health/addiction programs is akin to paying $100 for a preventive care doctor visit vs. a $1500 surgery down the road. We have governors who shutter mental health hospitals and then look genuinely surprised when a rash of crimes committed by unstable people occurs. It's farking retarded.

 But they'll keep pushing, because unlike Medicare, et al, the mental health and addiction groups can't really mount a vigorous defense. They're easy to pick on because most people don't care about them. "Hey, I'm not a bipolar crack addict, so what do I care what happens to these services?" Well, you're gonna care when your odds of being robbed and shot steadily rise as these services are steadily eliminated.

 No one believes that we'll ever totally rid society of addiction and illness (and therefore homelessness). But we can at least strive to keep them as low as we can. Closing mental hospitals and treatment programs just to help plug a budget gap created by your own revenue-retarded state budget isn't the proper approach.
 
2013-01-20 04:45:35 AM  

BronyMedic: whidbey: LOL I didn't realize a Fox News brand of subjective hatred constituted objective reality.

You mean the reality that there are people out there who have built their lives on scamming and taking advantage of the altruism of others, and who use shaming tactics and appeals to emotion to silence people who would criticize those behaviors? People that, even if EVERY facet of American society were built to cater to their needs to rise above their current socioeconomic problems - free mental health, job/housing/education placement - would still game the system and the people around them?

I'm glad the world you live in is such Sunshine and Rainbows, and anything questioning it is Fox News Propaganda. Meanwhile, the rest of us will live in the real world, where there actually ARE people who live their lives like that, and - I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp - take advantage of the altruism of society as a whole to continue to enable them to do so.


What system do you propose that enables us to instantly identify those who truly are gaming the system vs. those who need it? This is why pointing to so-called "welfare queens" as an argument for dismantling assistance is retarded. Sure, she exists. But you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater just to stick it to a percentage of useless people. I'm not saying that's what you're proposing; just that lots of people do.

I live in a major city with more than our share of homeless assholes. But for every asshole making himself visible (extremely aggressive panhandling, for starters), there are untold people who either got farked over or are physically/mentally unable to function in society.
 
2013-01-20 04:57:46 AM  
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2013-01-19 09:18:06 PM
Phil Moskowitz: Gdalescrboz: gopher321: Yay slavery!

So now we are calling work slavery.

Unpaid work to survive is farking slavery you stupid jackass.

Noone is forcing them to work and noone is fettering their ability to go elsewhere. They are compensated in food as a reward for their labors. Slaves are given food in order to keep them working.


What he said, you twat. Slavery is forced labor. Some of you liberals need to take minute to pull your head out of your ass and get a farking clue
 
2013-01-20 05:29:46 AM  

whidbey: Gdalescrboz: gopher321: Yay slavery!

So now we are calling work slavery.

If it's an actual job where a paycheck is involved agreed, it isn't. If it's Nazi Calvinist bullshiat as described in TFA, there's little difference.


Huh? How is anything in the article remotely linked to your slavery comment?
 
2013-01-20 05:32:30 AM  

rewind2846: It's what Jeeeeeeeeeezus would have wanted.
/for real dough

DrPainMD: Suddenly, liberals have a problem with people doing what they want with their property.

What part of "Seattle City Parks" do you not understand?

Here's a hint: You get to do what you want with what's yours. City parks don't fall into that category. They belong to all of us, even the homeless. They're "ours", as in "all of ours". Me, you, your neighbor, his brother, the kids down the street, the asshole who cut you off in traffic, and the guy asking for change in front of the $tarbuck$. Everyone.
If that sounds too socialist for ya, then TFB. Deal with it.


Their food is their property. Was it really that hard to understand? Did you really think that I was saying that the park was their property? Really?
 
2013-01-20 08:09:27 AM  

whidbey: Fantasy is reality.


Yes. That's right. Everyone in this world has noble intentions. Every person who sets on the street corner is legitimate. Anyone who claims otherwise is a lackey of the Republican Party and Fox News.

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whidbey: Dude, you really should just stop pretending you're a liberal and start screaming what oppressive right-wing bullshiat you'd really love to subject us to en masse. It would be glorious.


Oh shut up, you busybody Social Justice blogsader. People like you, who falsely white-knight for a cause they in reality care nothing about other than to concern troll on message boards when people are realistic and blunt about problems drive me insane. You're just as annoying and irrelevant as people who make tumblrs to reblog the latest social injustice pictures they find on Reddit. I understand you masturbate to the misfortune of others, but this is silly. I've never once claimed to be liberal on here, it's a silly label people use when they don't like others. In reality, I - like most average, sane Americans, hold views that would be considered both Left and Right in nature on various topics and issues. Only zealots polarize themselves on one side or the other of the political spectrum, and they're just as dangerous as those who want theocracy in our country.

dickfreckle: What system do you propose that enables us to instantly identify those who truly are gaming the system vs. those who need it? This is why pointing to so-called "welfare queens" as an argument for dismantling assistance is retarded. Sure, she exists. But you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater just to stick it to a percentage of useless people. I'm not saying that's what you're proposing; just that lots of people do.

I live in a major city with more than our share of homeless assholes. But for every asshole making himself visible (extremely aggressive panhandling, for starters), there are untold people who either got farked over or are physically/mentally unable to function in society.


What I'm saying is that we need support systems that encourage Americans who are willing and able to perform the jobs that cities and municipalities need performed to do so, and enable them to do it in a way that provides them benefits allowing them to rise out of the SES problems they are in now, and which enables them to live on their own, find work on their own, and find housing and education so they DON'T end up back on the streets. What I'm also saying is that people need to realize that not everyone is homeless because they had no choice in the matter, and that some people are never going to rise out of that. They are going to live dependant on others, despite the fact they can rise out of it, because it's a life they've become accustom to. No one is telling them they have to take their medicine, or stop using drugs, etc.

I'm not arguing dismantling assistance in the least. What I am arguing for are programs like the Great Depression era WPA, where unskilled labor is used by the cities and counties of the United States to complete municipal projects, while paying them a wage, and giving them assistance in placement with housing and education, and food.  And I'm also saying that your money is better spent donated to those shelters and programs, religious and non, which help the homeless rather than giving it to them directly.
 
2013-01-20 08:21:22 AM  
"For example, there was one group of middle school students who, out of the goodness of their hearts, wanted to serve meals to homeless people and we were concerned [...] because of possible safety issues," Takami said.

..."No real threat, we were just concerned for the little do-gooders and told them not to worry, we have a place to feed them under the bridge. 'You are free to play in the park away from all those dirty people.'" Takami said.

What happened to the right to assemble and freedom of speech?
 
2013-01-20 08:35:30 AM  

ez-reader: "For example, there was one group of middle school students who, out of the goodness of their hearts, wanted to serve meals to homeless people and we were concerned [...] because of possible safety issues," Takami said.

..."No real threat, we were just concerned for the little do-gooders and told them not to worry, we have a place to feed them under the bridge. 'You are free to play in the park away from all those dirty people.'" Takami said.

What happened to the right to assemble and freedom of speech?


We keep voting for Democrats and Republicans, that's what.
 
2013-01-20 09:42:49 AM  

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: I have at least 3 more similar tales in my resume. The fact is- some people will never attempt to care for themselves as long as others will foot the bill.

Yeah, this. Also BronyMedic's.

Look, nobody is going to ever be able to question my liberal credentials. And I have been on the bottom of the heap oftener than I'd like to remember and dependent on the kindness of strangers. That said, I know from my very own experience that the people who are down & out through no fault of their own usually don't stay there very long. They want work and they will find something and keep it no matter how much they hate it and no matter how long it takes to find something. The ones who don't either have some kind of serious mental or substance abuse issues and WOULD work if they could get help--and thanks to our society, they cannot--or they are "friends" like yours and just don't want to. Possibly they have some deeper psychological issues as well, but that's beyond my area of expertise.

I also know that institutionalization is a very real effect, and people with minor mental problems fall victim to it easily. Someone who is already depressed or has paranoia doesn't need someone telling him 'There there, you don't need to work or try hard, we'll take care of everything for you, here's your food and clothes you poor dear," they need someone to give them something to do. They need--surprise!--to work. Not to LOOK for work, which may be beyond them at this point, but for someone to say Here is work for you to do, go do it.

Maybe it's time to stop treating everyone like they are helpless. Maybe we need to treat them like they are capable of being helped.


This is why I have you favorited. Rational liberals are harder to find these days than an ice cold glass of Perrier in the Gobi desert.
 
2013-01-20 10:10:56 AM  

Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.


I've got no problem with that. I've even talked to city managers about it. Two BIG problems: liability (everyone's scared to death of lawyered-up homeless people suing for job-related injuries, and the government workers' union, who is terrified that work will be taken away from coddled city employees.

There's another problem: after a while many homeless (and housed poor) get into the habit of "drifting" and seem to develop as sense of entitlement. THAT is the danger of handout programs.

Entitlement: Sometimes we go up to Orange, Stanton or other towns and grab extra food from the local city handouts. Stanton's a good example of this. The city has Government Food distributions once a month. It's supposed to be only for local residents, but we sorta just show up and no one cares. When the 2nd Harvest truck shows up, it's amazing. There are generally 100 to 150 people sitting on their asses waiting for other people to unload the food. Maybe 5 people - the same 5 every time I hear - pitch in to unload this huge truck loaded with anywhere from 4 to 8 pallets of food. When we go there I'm generally one of those people. After about 20 minutes of moving shiat the complaints start: "When you gonna hand out the food?" "Well, dumbass, when it gets unloaded and organized; if you HELPED it would go faster." The general attitude seems to be one of entitlement. Fine. It's gotten to the point where the people that help just go to the front of the line and take their food first; and the dumbasses then complain about THAT ("Duuuuhh I was here first!")

Now some of these people are old and frail, and I get that, and have no problem with them sitting on their asses. But others look just fine, and act just fine, strength-wise, when they push, shove and elbow their way into line, and I really understand the stereotype that some people have about the chronically needy.
 
2013-01-20 10:33:34 AM  

DrPainMD: ez-reader: "For example, there was one group of middle school students who, out of the goodness of their hearts, wanted to serve meals to homeless people and we were concerned [...] because of possible safety issues," Takami said.

..."No real threat, we were just concerned for the little do-gooders and told them not to worry, we have a place to feed them under the bridge. 'You are free to play in the park away from all those dirty people.'" Takami said.

What happened to the right to assemble and freedom of speech?

We keep voting for Democrats and Republicans, that's what.


You sound treasonous and unamurikan. HOW DARE YOU criticize the two party system?
 
2013-01-20 10:44:39 AM  

FormlessOne: Gdalescrboz: whidbey: Gdalescrboz: gopher321: Yay slavery!

So now we are calling work slavery.

If it's an actual job where a paycheck is involved agreed, it isn't. If it's Nazi Calvinist bullshiat as described in TFA, there's little difference.

Working to get food/water is nazi Calvinist bullshiat? America was founded by people putting in work from dawn till dusk just to provide food/water for their family. Your logic is what is wrong with America, for some reason people think they are entitled to more than they are for simply existing. I'm sorry, but walking around in the street picking up trash for 15min does not get you a paycheck. Food and water is actually pretty generous

Actually, America was founded by slaves putting work from dawn till dusk just to provide riches to someone else's family. Seriously. We've had slavery and indentured servitude as the basis of our wealth for at least 60% of this country's history - look it up. This country was built on the backs of First Nations folks, slaves from Central and South America, slaves from Africa, immigrants from pretty much every friggin' country on the planet, indentured servants, even child workers.

Much of the agitation against unions, against pensions, against social supports, comes from the very same mindset you're espousing - and was espoused throughout this country's history. We've been fortunate, in that folks like Lincoln, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, and others understood that the whole point of society is to ensure that, from a social & financial perspective, the bottom continues to rise even as the top does so.

We've taken a huge step backward from that in the last three decades or so. We've unraveled social supports, destroyed unions, and erode the very concept of retirement (except for the rich, of course.) We continue to take money, time, and resources from the poor and hand them over to the rich in increasing volume and speed, even as the infrastructure we spent the last century constructing du ...



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2013-01-20 11:31:23 AM  

clowncar on fire: whidbey: clowncar on fire: Helping someone who has made it a life long career living on the expectation that others will be there to provide? Bite me.

You're not even basing this hatred on anything that exists in real life.

Actually, I am. Not hatred by the way, just acceptance of reality.

Case 1. Several years ago, while sharing a house with a friend, he thought it was a good idea to find a replacement for the roommate we had recently lost. I didn't know anybody in my circle of friends that was looking for a place so I left it to him. A few days later, he brought home a hard luck case who claimed he had a couple of prospects but was kind of out on the street at the moment. He was a very likeable fellow and between my roommate and I, we had therent and food covered for the next couple of weeks so we figured we'd let his costs slide until he got a job and had some money to spend.

As luck would have it, an entry level position (6.50/hr) opened up with our landscaping company. Again, folks found him very likeable, and he found himself with a decent job that payed well. We explained to him that because he was working outdoors, he would need to cover his skin, wear work gloves (we loaned him a pair), and pay attention to what he was told to do as he was on a probationary period for the first couple of weeks.

On his first day of work he (aside from showing up over an hour late): showed up with a tank top- resulting in a severe sun burn by the end of the day, didn't bother to bring the gloves or use the ones another co-worker offered him so he tore up his hands enough that he could not return for the next couple of days, got high at lunch, and had the foreman asking me more than once where I had found such a loser. He biatched all the way back about how ill treated he was and went into the I think I got the sunstroke act (probably was for real though did not care at that point) saying that he would not be attending work. By this time, it became obvious that he ...


That's all very interesting, and we're all deeply impressed by your commitment to helping vile scum raise themselves out of the muck and be decent human beings who aspire to one day reaching your level of superiority.

What the fark does it have to do with a mission giving food to the homeless?
 
2013-01-20 11:50:34 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: DrPainMD: ez-reader: "For example, there was one group of middle school students who, out of the goodness of their hearts, wanted to serve meals to homeless people and we were concerned [...] because of possible safety issues," Takami said.

..."No real threat, we were just concerned for the little do-gooders and told them not to worry, we have a place to feed them under the bridge. 'You are free to play in the park away from all those dirty people.'" Takami said.

What happened to the right to assemble and freedom of speech?

We keep voting for Democrats and Republicans, that's what.

You sound treasonous and unamurikan. HOW DARE YOU criticize the two party system?


I would never criticize a two party system. I wish we had one.
 
2013-01-20 12:15:59 PM  

DrPainMD: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: DrPainMD: ez-reader: "For example, there was one group of middle school students who, out of the goodness of their hearts, wanted to serve meals to homeless people and we were concerned [...] because of possible safety issues," Takami said.

..."No real threat, we were just concerned for the little do-gooders and told them not to worry, we have a place to feed them under the bridge. 'You are free to play in the park away from all those dirty people.'" Takami said.

What happened to the right to assemble and freedom of speech?

We keep voting for Democrats and Republicans, that's what.

You sound treasonous and unamurikan. HOW DARE YOU criticize the two party system?

I would never criticize a two party system. I wish we had one.


Well, you've got a choice between the Demoblicans and the Republocrats (both backed by splinters of the same group of plutocrats).

/The myopia of Big Government supporters never fails to amaze me; they want the State to interfere in all aspects of life, then are amazed when the people with the money to bribe the bureaucrats and legislators seem to get all the benefits from the activist State. DOH.

Good doggies!
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2013-01-20 01:21:50 PM  

BronyMedic: whidbey: Fantasy is reality.

Yes. That's right. Everyone in this world has noble intentions. Every person who sets on the street corner is legitimate. Anyone who claims otherwise is a lackey of the Republican Party and Fox News.

[www.roflcat.com image 500x385]

whidbey: Dude, you really should just stop pretending you're a liberal and start screaming what oppressive right-wing bullshiat you'd really love to subject us to en masse. It would be glorious.

Oh shut up, you busybody Social Justice blogsader. People like you, who falsely white-knight for a cause they in reality care nothing about other than to concern troll on message boards when people are realistic and blunt about problems drive me insane. You're just as annoying and irrelevant as people who make tumblrs to reblog the latest social injustice pictures they find on Reddit. I understand you masturbate to the misfortune of others, but this is silly. I've never once claimed to be liberal on here, it's a silly label people use when they don't like others. In reality, I - like most average, sane Americans, hold views that would be considered both Left and Right in nature on various topics and issues. Only zealots polarize themselves on one side or the other of the political spectrum, and they're just as dangerous as those who want theocracy in our country.

dickfreckle: What system do you propose that enables us to instantly identify those who truly are gaming the system vs. those who need it? This is why pointing to so-called "welfare queens" as an argument for dismantling assistance is retarded. Sure, she exists. But you don't throw out the baby with the bathwater just to stick it to a percentage of useless people. I'm not saying that's what you're proposing; just that lots of people do.

I live in a major city with more than our share of homeless assholes. But for every asshole making himself visible (extremely aggressive panhandling, for starters), there are untold people who either got farked over or ar ...


Look, if you really want to be put on ignore that bad, you could have just asked.
 
2013-01-21 12:55:59 AM  

whidbey: Look, if you really want to be put on ignore that bad, you could have just asked.


What the hell are you clamoring about? I wasn't even talking to you. When I do, I typically agree with you?
 
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