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2013-01-19 05:57:24 PM  
I was very nearly homeless in Seattle, and it's GREAT if you can play by the rules. I had secure apartment at Pike and Broadway (above Tango!) for $600 a month (unheard of in downtown), and since I was a student, they paid for tuition, books, bus pass, and part of my food and rent. I got my degree and a decent job...but SOCILAISM!!!! Anytime I hear that word I want to pull out my last paycheck and say "here, here's what it does!!"
 
2013-01-19 05:58:26 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Now you're just trying to make me break up with Allen so we can run away together and live happily ever after.


You're breaking up with Paul Allen?
 
2013-01-19 05:58:49 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: whidbey: jehovahs witness protection: whidbey: jehovahs witness protection: You can't reason with these people.

Tired of posting near the top of a thread and then running out before everyone flames you? What gives?

Why don't you back up your position and give some of these people a place to live at your house?

You can't "back up" an indefensible position. Clearly, your shortcoming is the inability to have any sort of compassion for people less fortunate than you. There's a word for that: Republican.

Now you're just trying to make me break up with Allen so we can run away together and live happily ever after.


To Loagnville? No way, hooker! I'm a city feller!
 
2013-01-19 06:01:21 PM  

Allen. The end.: jehovahs witness protection: whidbey: jehovahs witness protection: whidbey: jehovahs witness protection: You can't reason with these people.

Tired of posting near the top of a thread and then running out before everyone flames you? What gives?

Why don't you back up your position and give some of these people a place to live at your house?

You can't "back up" an indefensible position. Clearly, your shortcoming is the inability to have any sort of compassion for people less fortunate than you. There's a word for that: Republican.

Now you're just trying to make me break up with Allen so we can run away together and live happily ever after.

To Loagnville? No way, hooker! I'm a city feller!


I still love you anyway, hun.
 
2013-01-19 06:02:39 PM  

Gdalescrboz: whidbey: Gdalescrboz: gopher321: Yay slavery!

So now we are calling work slavery.

If it's an actual job where a paycheck is involved agreed, it isn't. If it's Nazi Calvinist bullshiat as described in TFA, there's little difference.

Working to get food/water is nazi Calvinist bullshiat? America was founded by people putting in work from dawn till dusk just to provide food/water for their family. Your logic is what is wrong with America, for some reason people think they are entitled to more than they are for simply existing. I'm sorry, but walking around in the street picking up trash for 15min does not get you a paycheck. Food and water is actually pretty generous


Actually, America was founded by slaves putting work from dawn till dusk just to provide riches to someone else's family. Seriously. We've had slavery and indentured servitude as the basis of our wealth for at least 60% of this country's history - look it up. This country was built on the backs of First Nations folks, slaves from Central and South America, slaves from Africa, immigrants from pretty much every friggin' country on the planet, indentured servants, even child workers.

Much of the agitation against unions, against pensions, against social supports, comes from the very same mindset you're espousing - and was espoused throughout this country's history. We've been fortunate, in that folks like Lincoln, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, and others understood that the whole point of society is to ensure that, from a social & financial perspective, the bottom continues to rise even as the top does so.

We've taken a huge step backward from that in the last three decades or so. We've unraveled social supports, destroyed unions, and erode the very concept of retirement (except for the rich, of course.) We continue to take money, time, and resources from the poor and hand them over to the rich in increasing volume and speed, even as the infrastructure we spent the last century constructing during WWI, both New Deals, and WWII falls apart. Bridges, roads, dams, and other public works crumble. Social supports are slowly destroyed, robbed by the rich and reviled by the clueless.

The fallacy you're communicating comes pretty much from the "fark you, got mine" playbook.
 
2013-01-19 06:04:15 PM  

FormlessOne: The fallacy you're communicating comes pretty much from the "fark you, got mine" playbook.


*fav'rited*
 
2013-01-19 06:06:02 PM  

vartian: Takami said those wishing to feed the homeless need to coordinate with the Operation: Sack Lunch program, which serves up to 300 people a day at the city's outdoor meal site, located under the I-5 bridge at 6th Avenue and Columbia Street.

Wikipedia: Estimates of Seattle's homeless population put the number somewhere around 6,000 to 8,000 people; up to 1,000 are children and young adults.

Clearly the city has this problem well in hand.


Homeless =/= hungry.

There are homeless people with jobs and some resources, but they are typically the short-term homeless. In fact, if someone loses their house and lives out of their car, but showers at a friend or family member's place and still goes to work, they are homeless but may not realize it. They often assume they are not eligible for homeless programs or think the resources should go to someone else.

The chronically homeless that stink and beg are what most people think of, but there are other categories that fall under "homelessness."
I'm not pointing this out as a political thing, but homeless and "bum" are not the same, but the chronically homeless are much more visible.
 
2013-01-19 06:06:17 PM  
WTF? That is tantamount to making people have a job to get paid! What next, cutting off unemployment payments at a mere 999 weeks?

What happened to that good, old-fashioned "reward people for being parasitic bums" values that made America great?
 
2013-01-19 06:08:46 PM  
Wow. Submitter had a good haul.

img.nauticexpo.com

Think he's going to need a bigger boat for this troll.
 
2013-01-19 06:09:42 PM  
SevenizGud 2013-01-19 06:06:17 PM

theinspirationroom.com
 
2013-01-19 06:09:46 PM  

Allen. The end.: I was very nearly homeless in Seattle, and it's GREAT if you can play by the rules. I had secure apartment at Pike and Broadway (above Tango!) for $600 a month (unheard of in downtown), and since I was a student, they paid for tuition, books, bus pass, and part of my food and rent. I got my degree and a decent job...but SOCILAISM!!!! Anytime I hear that word I want to pull out my last paycheck and say "here, here's what it does!!"


Holy shiat, so much this.

Dig the holes, laugh when they fall in, and then refuse to provide a ladder, claiming that if they wanted out badly enough, they would figure out a way.

That's not society. That's not civilization. That's the antithesis of civilization - that's what barbarians do.
 
2013-01-19 06:09:55 PM  

yingtong: This got flagged 'interesting', not 'stupid', 'FAIL', or 'asinine'?

Oh right.. Seattle is in a blue state.


Yes and the fark libtards are all here supporting Seattle because it's in a blue state, right? Right?

Anyway, putting asshat aside, this group brought food to hungry people without getting "caught." Sounds like a good time for some civil disobedience.
 
2013-01-19 06:15:00 PM  

Superjew: Nobody's stopping anybody from feeding the homeless, they're just asking them to refrain from doing it on public property in the middle of a city park.

There are numerous health, safety and social service reasons for wanting the mission to serve their food in more appropriate and sanitary locations, instead of in the middle of a public square, especially now that the homeless population has soared to the extent that their use of this public space crowds out everyone else when it occurs.

I'm surprised at the over-reactions here on Fa..., oh wait, no I'm not.

Carry on.


Think of all the awful horrible things that can happen when volunteers carry food onto public property. MY GOD THERE'S A PIECE OF LETTUCE. ON THE GROUND.

If they were bringing guns so the homeless could defend themselves from runaway gubmint, it would be different.
 
2013-01-19 06:15:21 PM  
Yes, the homeless are all poor just because they are lazy! It can't be anything to do with the poor availability of mental care, and they couldn't possibly have disabilities prohibiting them from finding employment!!! And of course, every single business is just chomping at the bit to hire people with no houses, places to bathe, or proper clothing, that are likely clinically insane and uneducated! It's not like we're in an economic recession with scarce jobs or anything!

\you people disgust me.
 
2013-01-19 06:20:41 PM  
TNSTAAFL
 
2013-01-19 06:20:47 PM  

Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.


This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."
 
2013-01-19 06:22:09 PM  

All_Farked_Up: TNSTAAFL


And if you were getting paid by the character, you'd starve.
 
2013-01-19 06:24:30 PM  

The A.I.S.B.: Yes, the homeless are all poor just because they are lazy! It can't be anything to do with the poor availability of mental care, and they couldn't possibly have disabilities prohibiting them from finding employment!!! And of course, every single business is just chomping at the bit to hire people with no houses, places to bathe, or proper clothing, that are likely clinically insane and uneducated! It's not like we're in an economic recession with scarce jobs or anything!

\you people disgust me.


You do realize that the city of Seattle has entire programs dedicated to helping the homeless through offering them jobs, tuition and financial aid support, and housing placement, right?

God forbid we offer people who are "homeless" jobs to help them rise above their current socioeconomic state. I mean, they MIGHT have to pick up trash or something. That's not American work for entitled white folks! That's foreign taco-jockey work or something. Or other indignant right wing furious commentary you would like to make.

God forbid someone have to do manual labor instead of set behind a computer all day and debate on FARK. Inhumane, I tells you!

/it's a disgusting attitude to label ALL homeless people as non-compliant mentally ill (on average only 1/4  - 1/2 of the homeless population are), and then act offended that someone MIGHT offer them the opportunity to work in exchange for benefits to allow them to rise above their current plight. Drug rehab programs and free/reduced cost mental health programs would go a LONG way to solving the homeless problem, but it's not the only quick fix.
//The solution is neither forced manual labor, nor handouts. Stop pretending like one spectrum or the other will be the solution.
 
2013-01-19 06:24:32 PM  

UsikFark: In fact, if someone loses their house and lives out of their car, but showers at a friend or family member's place and still goes to work, they are homeless but may not realize it. They often assume they are not eligible for homeless programs or think the resources should go to someone else.

Actually, according to a friend of mine, Wa state DSHS no longer considers those couch surfing, living in an unfinished garage or basement or their car, to be homeless. Thus ineligible for homeless services....
 
2013-01-19 06:25:17 PM  

gopher321: Yay slavery!


Workfare. Noone's stopping them from plagueing some other city else where.
 
2013-01-19 06:29:59 PM  
I think the sanitation workers union might have a problem with that too.
 
2013-01-19 06:33:24 PM  
Welcome to Bill Clinton's America, subs.
 
2013-01-19 06:34:55 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."


Oddly enough, there are well to do Japanese who have no issues with participating in a monthly get out and beautify your neighborhood program. Usually this means cleaning the curbside of their homes but many descend upon local parks with trees, flowers, and trash bags to do their part.
 
2013-01-19 06:42:48 PM  
Is that a STYROFOAM bowl !? AAAaaaaaaaaauuungggggg.... pollution.

Dead Sea creatures washing up onshore. Won't someone think of th environment.
Landfills are filling faster than Al Gore's bank accounts !
 
2013-01-19 06:42:54 PM  

All_Farked_Up: I think the sanitation workers union might have a problem with that too.


I assume Subby had something else in mind, like scooping cigarette butts and Doritos bags out of the gutters with buckets and a trowel.
 
2013-01-19 06:44:43 PM  

BronyMedic: The A.I.S.B.: Yes, the homeless are all poor just because they are lazy! It can't be anything to do with the poor availability of mental care, and they couldn't possibly have disabilities prohibiting them from finding employment!!! And of course, every single business is just chomping at the bit to hire people with no houses, places to bathe, or proper clothing, that are likely clinically insane and uneducated! It's not like we're in an economic recession with scarce jobs or anything!

\you people disgust me.

You do realize that the city of Seattle has entire programs dedicated to helping the homeless through offering them jobs, tuition and financial aid support, and housing placement, right?

God forbid we offer people who are "homeless" jobs to help them rise above their current socioeconomic state. I mean, they MIGHT have to pick up trash or something. That's not American work for entitled white folks! That's foreign taco-jockey work or something. Or other indignant right wing furious commentary you would like to make.

God forbid someone have to do manual labor instead of set behind a computer all day and debate on FARK. Inhumane, I tells you!

/it's a disgusting attitude to label ALL homeless people as non-compliant mentally ill (on average only 1/4  - 1/2 of the homeless population are), and then act offended that someone MIGHT offer them the opportunity to work in exchange for benefits to allow them to rise above their current plight. Drug rehab programs and free/reduced cost mental health programs would go a LONG way to solving the homeless problem, but it's not the only quick fix.
//The solution is neither forced manual labor, nor handouts. Stop pretending like one spectrum or the other will be the solution.


www.meh.ro
 
2013-01-19 06:45:17 PM  
Don't feed the animals.
 
2013-01-19 06:51:08 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Methinks the city of Seattle is just angry that the mission is cutting into their federal money for feeding the homeless (the more homeless the city itself feeds, the more federal money they get for doing so).


As a downtown city resident, I assure you we have more than enough homeless to go around for everyone.
 
2013-01-19 06:55:33 PM  
So Bread of Life has to fill out a few forms and coordinate their efforts with the city?

I am OUTRAGED.
 
2013-01-19 06:58:05 PM  
Sounds like tome they want to get the homeless of of the parks and nice and out of sight under that bridge.
 
2013-01-19 07:00:28 PM  

LordOfThePings: "By requiring that all food be served at the site, Takami said the city can control the nutritional value of what the homeless eat"

WTF?


Don't laugh, NYC under Mike Bloomberg does not allow food donations to be given to homeless people because it hasn't been inspected for fat content
 
2013-01-19 07:03:03 PM  

cmb53208: Don't laugh, NYC under Mike Bloomberg does not allow food donations to be given to homeless people because it hasn't been inspected for fat content


NYC doesn't actually have homeless thanks to Guiliani putting them all in the Twin Towers right before the US Government blew them up on 9/11 with holographic missiles. It was a brilliant plan.
 
2013-01-19 07:04:28 PM  
No, subby, the citizens can pay them to clean the city. If it needs to be done that badly, it's worth compensating someone fairly for. Maybe then they could afford places to live in our economy. If they have substance abuse or neurological/psychogical problems, then they should get the kind of help you or I would want access to in those situations. Anyone who claims to support capitalism should be able to agree that people should strive to trade fairly, if only to promote trust and further trade among individuals, even when the trade is labour for work deemed menial but necessary.

We can do better.
 
2013-01-19 07:07:54 PM  
The armed forces should start advertising these benefits for all their PTSD homeless.
 
2013-01-19 07:12:25 PM  
Where does the article say the homeless have to work to get fed by the city? I read it three times and I can't find any reference to that part.
 
2013-01-19 07:19:48 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."


Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.
 
2013-01-19 07:39:08 PM  
I had a great idea for city cleaning. Corvids (crows, ravens, jays) are extremely intelligent. And hungry much of the time. Set up special dispensers that drop out set amounts of seed, corn, peanuts, watever when garbage items are dropped in the top and catch and train a few crows to do this. Then release the birds.
Within a few weeks every crow in the city will have learned from the others, and within a couple months if you tosses a Tim Horton's cup from a moving car it would never hit the ground before something large and feathery swooped in to catch it. And the city would have a cleanup crew- or cleanup crows- that literally would work for peanuts.
 
2013-01-19 07:39:13 PM  

whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."

Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.


How on earth is that slavery?
 
2013-01-19 07:43:25 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."

Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.

How on earth is that slavery?


Because it's one thing to encourage volunteers to work. It's quite another to force down and out people to work just to get something to eat. The food should be no charge, no strings. Maybe you should volunteer there, quite frankly. Get a real perspective.
 
2013-01-19 07:44:17 PM  

whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."

Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.


Dude, you keep on about slavery. Slavery is involuntary forced servitude. If the homeless person agrees to the terms and conditions and is free to walk away any time with no repercussions, it's not slavery. If the mission says "here's your broom, when the sidewalk is clean come get your meal" and HP says "screw you" and walks off; or says "OK", starts to sweep and then leaves the broom at the end of the block, it's not slavery. It's a contract.

It would be as if the mission said "Sweep the sidewalk, we'll give you a quarter, and a meal is a quarter," and then HP bought a meal with the quarter when he was done. It's only SLAVERY when the worker has no right to freely refuse or to freely leave at any time during the contract; or if the "employer" coerced the worker into doing the work. Even if the city were to say "Clean up or no food from us" it wouldn't necessarily be slavery if the HP had other sources of food. As long as HP has the right to say No, then whatever the condition he's living in is, it isn't slavery.
 
2013-01-19 07:49:27 PM  

whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."

Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.

How on earth is that slavery?

Because it's one thing to encourage volunteers to work. It's quite another to force down and out people to work just to get something to eat. The food should be no charge, no strings. Maybe you should volunteer there, quite frankly. Get a real perspective.


If option 1 is just ignoring the homeless, and option 2 is giving them a place to sleep and food in exchange for having them clean up the streets, how is that forcing them? I mean, if you're homeless, it's not like you had any other plans besides sitting on the street all day. What harm is there in pushing a broom around a bit in exchange for food and shelter? I'm not talking about whipping them if they leave a few candy wrappers behind.
 
2013-01-19 08:06:36 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: . What harm is there in pushing a broom around a bit in exchange for food and shelter?


What harm is there in just taking care of those who need to be taken care of?
 
2013-01-19 08:06:42 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."



Exchange labor for money? What kind of horrible monster are you?
 
2013-01-19 08:13:19 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-01-19 08:14:25 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Prank Call of Cthulhu: . What harm is there in pushing a broom around a bit in exchange for food and shelter?

What harm is there in just taking care of those who need to be taken care of?


They are getting taken care of. Why not ask them to do the very least they can in return? I'm not suggesting beating them if they do a crap job. It's more like, "hey as long as you were just going to mope about on the streets all day anyway, could you at least sweep up some trash while you're at it and pretty the place up a bit?"
 
2013-01-19 08:19:14 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: WhyteRaven74: Prank Call of Cthulhu: . What harm is there in pushing a broom around a bit in exchange for food and shelter?

What harm is there in just taking care of those who need to be taken care of?

They are getting taken care of. Why not ask them to do the very least they can in return? I'm not suggesting beating them if they do a crap job. It's more like, "hey as long as you were just going to mope about on the streets all day anyway, could you at least sweep up some trash while you're at it and pretty the place up a bit?"


Hook them up to the generators.
 
2013-01-19 08:23:28 PM  
Everyone who needs a meal is not jobless or homeless.
 
2013-01-19 08:24:42 PM  

whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: whidbey: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Fallout Boy: ...

The article says nothing about suggesting that the homeless clean the city for their food.

This wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea, though. When I see a city with dirty streets, some empty buildings, and homeless, I can't help think there might be a win-win solution here. "Here's a broom and a bin, Mr Homeless Person. You're in charge of this block. We've got a cot for you in this building over there, where we'll also serve three squares a day. Now get to sweeping."

Yes, slavery. It makes a person responsible.

How on earth is that slavery?

Because it's one thing to encourage volunteers to work. It's quite another to force down and out people to work just to get something to eat. The food should be no charge, no strings. Maybe you should volunteer there, quite frankly. Get a real perspective.


You have no idea, historically, what the hell you're talking about, you social justice white knight you.

Ensuring that the homeless have safe, sanitary food, and offering them programs which allow them to work and rise above their conditions in exchange for reasonable pay and assitance with placement in housing and educations is NOT slavery.
 
2013-01-19 08:24:57 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: WhyteRaven74: Prank Call of Cthulhu: . What harm is there in pushing a broom around a bit in exchange for food and shelter?

What harm is there in just taking care of those who need to be taken care of?

They are getting taken care of. Why not ask them to do the very least they can in return? I'm not suggesting beating them if they do a crap job. It's more like, "hey as long as you were just going to mope about on the streets all day anyway, could you at least sweep up some trash while you're at it and pretty the place up a bit?"


Because as decent human beings, it's the least we can do to offer a hungry person food.  If cleaning the streets needs to be done, f--king hire homeless people.  Pay them minimum wage, but pay them *a* fair wage.  What about those who have mental issues, disabilities, are *children*, etc., who can't easily sweep up some trash while they "mope about on the streets"?  Sucks to be them?

Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

This is NOT a concept unique to Christianity.  And in every version I've seen of it, I've yet to see "For I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat after I swept up trash for a few hours which is awesome on an empty stomach and doesn't feel at all demeaning, and definitely doesn't continuously reinforce that I'm beneath you because I'm homeless and hungry therefore I'm a failed human being".

Although - and I've seen this repeatedly in person - if you offer people food who need it with no strings attached, often those people are grateful enough that they will offer their help, if they're able.  One of the coolest people I've met was a guy who was homeless, got into a free skills program from the place that had given him free food and help, and was volunteering his since-learned carpentry skills to help us build a youth center.  He was off the streets and making decent if sporadic income, enough to keep a place, and years later he still volunteered his time for the group that helped him in the first place.

No strings or shaming attached.
 
2013-01-19 08:25:28 PM  

A Terrible Human: No,no don't you understand that the poor deserve nothing more since if they had just pulled their bootstraps a little tighter they wouldn't be homeless. They should be grateful to be used as unpaid labor! This is what fine Libertarians such as Glenn Beck,RON PAUL!!1! and myself believe.


As long as you realize that neither Glen Beck or Ron Paul is a libertarian...

/Ron Paul is a libertarian like Barack Obama is a liberal.
 
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