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2013-01-19 05:34:30 PM  

Chinchillazilla: I hope the Academy trolls the hell out of everyone and gives Best Picture to Django.

/imagine the outrage


If it had a Best Editing nod, I could see that happening, but the way it is now? Not so much.

These five movies got Best Editing nominations:

Argo
Life of Pi
Lincoln
Silver Linings Playbook
Zero Dark Thirty


Just going by history and the odds, one of those five will win Best Picture. Bank on it.
 
2013-01-19 05:34:42 PM  

paygun: I wonder if the opposition is more about a movie that casts a favorable light on our military. But then there would be obvious consequences if you just plainly stated "I'm a liberal and I don't like it because it makes our military look good."


Those cartoon liberals in your head sound like terrible people!
 
2013-01-19 05:35:28 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Zero Dark Thirty probably won't snag Best Picture because Kathryn Bigelow didn't get a Best Director nod.

That's a PROBABLY, now. Generally, you don't win Best Picture if your movie didn't get a Best Director nomination, but it *has* happened (see Driving Miss Daisy).

Perhaps a better barometer is the Best Editing category. If your film doesn't get a Best Editing nomination, you don't win Best Picture. It's that simple. You don't have to *win* Best Editing, but without a nomination there, your odds look really, really bad. (And Zero Dark Thirty *does* have a Best Editing nomination).

All that to say this: I don't think it will win. Lincoln seems like the sure thing at this point, with Argo as a possible dark horse pick due to the snubbing of Affleck.


No chance for Les Miz?
 
2013-01-19 05:36:10 PM  

Prey4reign: coco ebert: I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.

Capture, you say? Right after they put a bullet between the eyes.


Right. Duh. Obviously I meant killed and dragged out his body.
 
2013-01-19 05:37:04 PM  
Why does anyone give these people any credence at all? They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,
Stand on this line and say these words with feeling. This doesn't make them Gods or any smarter then the next guy. And those big shows that screams "Look at me, I'm an attention whore" so give me a trophy suck.
 
2013-01-19 05:38:11 PM  

coco ebert: No chance for Les Miz?


Without nominations for Best Director and Best Editing (or Adapted Screenplay, even), it looks very unlikely. I could be wrong, but just going by Oscar history, I wouldn't count on it.

I think that Best Supporting Actress for Anne Hathaway (and maybe a technical award here or there) will be the film's consolation prize.
 
2013-01-19 05:38:49 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Lizardking: How about no Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty because it was a crappy and undeserving movie? That a good enough reason?

Wasn't good enough for that piece of shiat "The Hurt locker" so, probably not.


Eh, I liked both flicks.

I thought of both of them as allegories of persistence in the face of adversity, rather than documentaries of real events.
 
2013-01-19 05:39:00 PM  

cig-mkr: They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,


Because having a history of anti-war activism under your belt makes you have the "mentality of a soap dish."

I had no idea.
 
2013-01-19 05:39:03 PM  
Jack Black was robbed for "Bernie"

/haven't seen "Zero Dark Thirty". Seen enough drama on the news
 
2013-01-19 05:39:35 PM  

Infernalist: Prey4reign: coco ebert: I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.

Capture, you say? Right after they put a bullet between the eyes.

I'm not sure what those critics are referring to. In the movie, they only get information about the courier 'after' they discontinue using torture and use humane treatment and a bit of lying to get him to believe that he'd broken down and told them stuff due to sleep deprivation.


Like I said, I haven't seen the movie, but here are two takes on it: Link, Link
 
2013-01-19 05:39:51 PM  

paygun: I haven't seen the movie but just by seeing where the political lines are forming up, I wonder if the opposition is more about a movie that casts a favorable light on our military. But then there would be obvious consequences if you just plainly stated "I'm a liberal and I don't like it because it makes our military look good."


Um assloads of movies are favorable to the military and are popular among both libs and cons alike.
 
2013-01-19 05:40:47 PM  

jaytkay: Those cartoon liberals in your head sound like terrible people!


Those liberals want to live in a world where the military isn't needed. As far as ideals go, that's a pretty noble one in my book. Unfortunately reality gets in the way. I think where they go wrong is the assumption that if you have a military, it has to be used for terrible things.
 
2013-01-19 05:41:55 PM  

WippitGuud: Mr.Man: I fail to see why this is oscar worthy when it's nothing more than a documentization of events.Where is the "creative genius" here? It doesn't take a mastermind director to make what was already a real life nailbiter into a thrilling story.

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Well done and point taken.(tip of hat in respect)
 
2013-01-19 05:42:33 PM  

paygun: jaytkay: Those cartoon liberals in your head sound like terrible people!

Those liberals want to live in a world where the military isn't needed. As far as ideals go, that's a pretty noble one in my book. Unfortunately reality gets in the way. I think where they go wrong is the assumption that if you have a military, it has to be used for terrible things.


No one makes that assumption.

Stop creating strawmen.
 
2013-01-19 05:45:27 PM  

Smackledorfer: No one makes that assumption.

Stop creating strawmen.


It very well could be the current assault weapon "these guns are created as tools of war" bullshiat that colors my opinion. I welcome that attitude about the military being applied to inanimate metal objects as well.
 
2013-01-19 05:48:39 PM  

paygun: Smackledorfer: No one makes that assumption.

Stop creating strawmen.

It very well could be the current assault weapon "these guns are created as tools of war" bullshiat that colors my opinion. I welcome that attitude about the military being applied to inanimate metal objects as well.


So you don't believe we should have a progressive and sensible gun regulation program in this country. How surprising.
 
2013-01-19 05:49:35 PM  

willfullyobscure: Freedom isn't free


Indeed.   Freedom costs a buck o' five.
 
2013-01-19 05:49:37 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: coco ebert: No chance for Les Miz?

Without nominations for Best Director and Best Editing (or Adapted Screenplay, even), it looks very unlikely. I could be wrong, but just going by Oscar history, I wouldn't count on it.

I think that Best Supporting Actress for Anne Hathaway (and maybe a technical award here or there) will be the film's consolation prize.


Ah, I see. I didn't really look at the nominations too carefully. That makes sense then. There are so many good movies this year- in another year it probably would have garnered more nominations.
 
2013-01-19 05:54:35 PM  

paygun: Smackledorfer: No one makes that assumption.

Stop creating strawmen.

It very well could be the current assault weapon "these guns are created as tools of war" bullshiat that colors my opinion. I welcome that attitude about the military being applied to inanimate metal objects as well.


'No strawmen aloud? I'll just change the subject to make some other bullshiat up' -paygun
 
2013-01-19 05:56:01 PM  

whidbey: So you don't believe we should have a progressive and sensible gun regulation program in this country. How surprising.


Actually I do. We just disagree on what progressive and sensible means.
 
2013-01-19 05:57:09 PM  

Smackledorfer: 'No strawmen aloud? I'll just change the subject to make some other bullshiat up' -paygun


I wrote it, I didn't speak it. But maybe you read aloud.
 
2013-01-19 05:57:35 PM  
We, as a nation, need to have a conversation about when any enhanced interrogation should be done on anyone anywhere and why. And most importantly how, when, why we should use chemical interrogation.
Torture may work but it is corrosive to the soul of a nation.
 
2013-01-19 05:59:02 PM  

coco ebert: Ah, I see. I didn't really look at the nominations too carefully. That makes sense then. There are so many good movies this year- in another year it probably would have garnered more nominations.


The big factors here were two out-of-nowhere picks that most folks didn't see coming: namely, Amour and Beasts of the Southern Wild.

A lot of people - myself included - weren't counting on nominations for the directors of those films. People were expecting Tom Hooper, Kathryn Bigelow, Quentin Tarantino, and Ben Affleck, just to name the most likely candidates.

But yeah, like you said, it's a good crop of nominees, and had it been another year, Les Mis might have stood more of a legitimate shot.

Still, good to see Hugh Jackman in the running this year.
 
2013-01-19 06:00:19 PM  

whidbey: paygun: Smackledorfer: No one makes that assumption.

Stop creating strawmen.

It very well could be the current assault weapon "these guns are created as tools of war" bullshiat that colors my opinion. I welcome that attitude about the military being applied to inanimate metal objects as well.

So you don't believe we should have a progressive and sensible gun regulation program in this country. How surprising.


He also apparently thinks that ar-15s are created primarily as tools for farming or something.

Guns are for killing shiat, period. Sometimes it is a good thing, sometimes not, and sometimes they are used not to kill but to practice at killing. The 2nd amendment only allows guns because they are required for a militia which is a good thing. But you know what militias do? They kill stuff.

I am against gun banning but let's not pretend guns have any purpose other than their ability to kill (and before any readers point to tranquilizer guns or something: you know what I mean) and what gaining that capability does for the owner of a gun.

/gun owner
 
2013-01-19 06:01:04 PM  

Frogfoot: We, as a nation, need to have a conversation about when any enhanced interrogation should be done on anyone anywhere and why.


It would be a short conversation if I get my say. We simply shouldn't do it. I think we should first take a step back and finally accept that the idea of a limited war is a failure.
 
2013-01-19 06:01:25 PM  

paygun: Smackledorfer: 'No strawmen aloud? I'll just change the subject to make some other bullshiat up' -paygun

I wrote it, I didn't speak it. But maybe you read aloud.


Oo a typo. I'm busted now
Your arguments get lamer by the minute.
 
2013-01-19 06:04:43 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: coco ebert: Ah, I see. I didn't really look at the nominations too carefully. That makes sense then. There are so many good movies this year- in another year it probably would have garnered more nominations.

The big factors here were two out-of-nowhere picks that most folks didn't see coming: namely, Amour and Beasts of the Southern Wild.

A lot of people - myself included - weren't counting on nominations for the directors of those films. People were expecting Tom Hooper, Kathryn Bigelow, Quentin Tarantino, and Ben Affleck, just to name the most likely candidates.

But yeah, like you said, it's a good crop of nominees, and had it been another year, Les Mis might have stood more of a legitimate shot.

Still, good to see Hugh Jackman in the running this year.


A friend of mine in the know about these things thinks that Haneke will win best director. I would be surprised that they don't throw some love to Spielberg, though.
 
2013-01-19 06:05:09 PM  

Smackledorfer: He also apparently thinks that ar-15s are created primarily as tools for farming or something.


There are few guns that I own that were designed for killing people and that's why I own them. That's the reality of self defense.
 
2013-01-19 06:06:06 PM  

paygun: Smackledorfer: He also apparently thinks that ar-15s are created primarily as tools for farming or something.

There are few guns that I own that were designed for killing people and that's why I own them. That's the reality of self defense.


What are the other guns "designed for?"

LOL
 
2013-01-19 06:08:55 PM  

whidbey: cig-mkr: They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,

Because having a history of anti-war activism under your belt makes you have the "mentality of a soap dish."

I had no idea.


Yeah, it was really smart to go to Vietnam and have pictures taken.
 
2013-01-19 06:11:32 PM  

whidbey: What are the other guns "designed for?"


I have a single shot muzzleloader that would make a pretty damn sad defensive weapon and an even worse offensive weapon since it's about 4 feet long.

If you're going down this road where you say that guns designed for killing people are better for that use, I agree. Like I said before, that's why I own them. I have a fire extinguisher in my house too, but that doesn't mean I'm looking forward to my house burning down.
 
2013-01-19 06:11:50 PM  

cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,

Because having a history of anti-war activism under your belt makes you have the "mentality of a soap dish."

I had no idea.

Yeah, it was really smart to go to Vietnam and have pictures taken.


As opposed to the stellar intelligence of staying home and making copious apologies for one of the worst military failures in history.
 
2013-01-19 06:16:18 PM  

coco ebert: A friend of mine in the know about these things thinks that Haneke will win best director. I would be surprised that they don't throw some love to Spielberg, though.


!

That's a bold pick, and possibly not impossible, either. It has four other big nominations, including Screenplay, Actress, Picture, and Foreign Language Film. If any category has the potential for an upset win, it's Best Director, as we've seen that Best Picture/Director splits aren't entirely uncommon.

Normally, the Directors Guild of America Award is a really good predictor for this contest, but only two DGA nominees (Spielberg and Lee) got Oscar nominations, so this one *could* be a tricky one to call.

The Best Director Golden Globe going to a non-Oscar-nominated Ben Affleck doesn't exactly help clarify matters, either.
 
2013-01-19 06:25:07 PM  
But Ed Asner has no problem acting in a movie that endorses every crackpot JFK conspiracy theory without presenting a shred of evidence, including that LBJ was behind it?
 
2013-01-19 06:30:07 PM  

whidbey: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,

Because having a history of anti-war activism under your belt makes you have the "mentality of a soap dish."

I had no idea.

Yeah, it was really smart to go to Vietnam and have pictures taken.

As opposed to the stellar intelligence of staying home and making copious apologies for one of the worst military failures in history.


So you are saying that some "star" should go to Afghanistan and get up with the Taliban folks for a photo op?
I'm sure that would end the conflict to everyone's satisfaction.
 
2013-01-19 06:37:55 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Plus, "boycotting" is really just free advertisement.


Tell that to Smith and Wesson. When "free advertisement" leads to a 40% drop in sales, it probably isn't worth the price.
 
2013-01-19 06:44:25 PM  
The problem people have with this movie is that it is a glorified propaganda film about shady interrogation methods under the guise of a 'true story'. This open letter to Bigelow by Naom Wolf says it better than I could.

Link
 
2013-01-19 06:47:27 PM  

WippitGuud:
I hear the hate mail about Apollo 13 was epic.


At least Apollo 13 was based on true story with verifiable story elements.
 
2013-01-19 06:50:19 PM  
Act of Valor will get the Oscar instead.
 
2013-01-19 06:54:08 PM  

ParagonComplex: The problem people have with this movie is that it is a glorified propaganda film about shady interrogation methods under the guise of a 'true story'. This open letter to Bigelow by Naom Wolf says it better than I could.


Interesting read. I wonder about the assumption that since the film shows that torture led to the killing of Bin Laden, that it is advocating torture.

I also wonder how many people read this:

Americans, too, will wake up and see through Zero Dark Thirty's apologia for the regime's standard lies that this brutality is somehow necessary.

and realize that she's talking about Obama.
 
2013-01-19 06:57:57 PM  
Mad_Radhu: Isn't a big part of making of great movie challenging the viewer? Sometimes art has take people out of their comfort zones and challenge their perceptions. If they don't understand this, they are as bad as conservatives that want to take us back to the 50s culturally.

When an 'artist' carefully and consciously sprinkles fiction among a bunch of truth, at what point does that 'art' become propaganda?
 
2013-01-19 06:59:51 PM  
Something to be said for standing up for your convictions - I'm okay with this.
 
2013-01-19 07:07:28 PM  

leadmetal: WippitGuud:
I hear the hate mail about Apollo 13 was epic.

At least Apollo 13 was based on true story with verifiable story elements.


Maybe. But why film a movie about some guys filming another movie?
 
2013-01-19 07:18:24 PM  

cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: They are morons, most with the mentality of a soap dish,

Because having a history of anti-war activism under your belt makes you have the "mentality of a soap dish."

I had no idea.

Yeah, it was really smart to go to Vietnam and have pictures taken.

As opposed to the stellar intelligence of staying home and making copious apologies for one of the worst military failures in history.

So you are saying that some "star" should go to Afghanistan and get up with the Taliban folks for a photo op?
I'm sure that would end the conflict to everyone's satisfaction.


Because the Taliban is exactly the same thing as the North Vietnamese because some Republican said so.
 
2013-01-19 07:19:47 PM  
Subby may not be clear on what a Hollywood blacklist was.

Hint: it involved Congress and the FBI.

But those libby lib has-been actors are *so mean.*
 
2013-01-19 07:23:57 PM  

Kibbler: Subby may not be clear on what a Hollywood blacklist was.

Hint: it involved Congress and the FBI.

But those libby lib has-been actors are *so mean stupid.*

 
2013-01-19 07:32:12 PM  

willfullyobscure: I haven't seen it, but I thought the movie did an excellent job in combatting stereotypes about our men and women in uniform and how they conduct the business of ensuring our liberty. Freedom isn't free and I fail to see how keeping a couple of towelheads from getting thirsty is too large a price to pay. If this movie wins enough prizes at the Golden Globes awards then it should send a real message to Hollyweird that the rest of us are sick of their softheaded lies.


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You might want to tone it down juuuuuuust a little there, sport.
 
2013-01-19 07:32:44 PM  

paygun: I haven't seen the movie but just by seeing where the political lines are forming up, I wonder if the opposition is more about a movie that casts a favorable light on our military. But then there would be obvious consequences if you just plainly stated "I'm a liberal and I don't like it because it makes our military look good."


That's pretty much my take on it as well.
 
2013-01-19 07:42:39 PM  
I was more shocked to learn Sheen and especially Asner were even still alive!
.
Asner's 1,000 years old by now (well, he looked it in that show he acted on as a newspaper editor or whatever), and Sheen shouldve keeled over in embarrassment over his loser of a son (whether he still CALLS him 'son', I dunno...).
 
2013-01-19 07:49:16 PM  

paygun: Smackledorfer: He also apparently thinks that ar-15s are created primarily as tools for farming or something.

There are few guns that I own that were designed for killing people and that's why I own them. That's the reality of self defense.


You sure you aren't thinking of shields or armor, and not firearms? I can't think of a single gun that isn't designed around killing.

Or are you just pretending you wouldn't shoot to kill so ot stops being legal?

Or are you loading them with snapcaps?
 
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