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(Huffington Post)   The Return of the Blacklist: Has-beens Ed Asner, Martin Sheen want Oscar boycott for 'Zero Dark Thirty'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 142
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2013-01-19 04:33:55 PM
I found that article to be very well thought out and written.

/Skimmed it (TLDNR)
 
2013-01-19 04:34:33 PM
Why are Granny Goodness and Uncle Ben against it?
 
2013-01-19 04:35:09 PM
Just like I've been telling everyone: it's a great movie, I fail to see how it's Oscar worthy, compared to the others that are currently up for grabs.
/Currently, the best response is "Hollywood Politics."
 
2013-01-19 04:35:12 PM
Given that these same people gave Moore an Oscar for Bowling for Columbine, this stupidity does not surprise me.
 
2013-01-19 04:36:34 PM
How about no Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty because it was a crappy and undeserving movie? That a good enough reason?
 
Slu
2013-01-19 04:38:13 PM
TL;DNR
 
2013-01-19 04:38:56 PM
Isn't a big part of making of great movie challenging the viewer? Sometimes art has take people out of their comfort zones and challenge their perceptions. If they don't understand this, they are as bad as conservatives that want to take us back to the 50s culturally.
 
2013-01-19 04:40:25 PM
It's easy to be an activist for denial.
 
2013-01-19 04:40:36 PM
Long story short, Martin Sheen and Ed Asner can act but aren't terribly bright? Fark keeping up with it's tradition of Not News.
 
2013-01-19 04:40:49 PM
I haven't seen it, but I thought the movie did an excellent job in combatting stereotypes about our men and women in uniform and how they conduct the business of ensuring our liberty. Freedom isn't free and I fail to see how keeping a couple of towelheads from getting thirsty is too large a price to pay. If this movie wins enough prizes at the Golden Globes awards then it should send a real message to Hollyweird that the rest of us are sick of their softheaded lies.
 
2013-01-19 04:41:34 PM
The boat they missed was bigger than the Titanic.

The movie doesn't endorse torture; it merely gives a realistic depiction of tort, er, enhanced interrogation techniques which were used by the CIA and other intelligence agencies but it does not claim that they led to any meaningful information on the identity of "the courier."

I wonder how Asner, Sheen, et al reacted to demands for boycotts of movies, plays, and programs they supported?
 
2013-01-19 04:42:31 PM
People who worry about which movie gets an Oscar need to find better things to worry about.
Like bellybutton lint, for instance...
 
2013-01-19 04:43:20 PM

Prey4reign: The boat they missed was bigger than the Titanic.

The movie doesn't endorse torture; it merely gives a realistic depiction of tort, er, enhanced interrogation techniques which were used by the CIA and other intelligence agencies but it does not claim that they led to any meaningful information on the identity of "the courier."

I wonder how Asner, Sheen, et al reacted to demands for boycotts of movies, plays, and programs they supported?


Plus, "boycotting" is really just free advertisement.
 
2013-01-19 04:45:02 PM
Ed Asner isn't dead?
 
2013-01-19 04:48:19 PM
The Zero Dark Thirty producers are making a big mistake by sending out waterboarding home kits along with the movie viewers. That's just not going to leave the right impression.
 
2013-01-19 04:51:07 PM
Why does America consider famous actors more legitimate political figures than, say, anyone not trained to evoke a fictional character?

Wait, I know the answer.
 
2013-01-19 04:51:35 PM
getungrounded.com
 
2013-01-19 04:52:31 PM
Asner would have everyone to the right of Lenin put against a wall and shot, if he could.
 
2013-01-19 04:52:51 PM
I don't know if it's a good movie or not, but I hate it for how many people seem to treat it as factual.
 
2013-01-19 04:55:18 PM
We got more dead Bin Laden in that movie than we got from the Obama administration.
 
2013-01-19 04:58:54 PM

WippitGuud: Ed Asner isn't dead?


You win.
 
2013-01-19 05:02:19 PM
Abe Vigoda never tells us what to watch.
 
2013-01-19 05:03:08 PM
Also,
like I'm going to take advice from the dick Charlie Sheen came out of.
 
2013-01-19 05:03:12 PM
If you didn't watch the movie, you might walk away with the idea that the torture might have been glorified or airbrushed to look more acceptable.

Far from it.

I watched the movie and those bits were incredibly uncomfortable to watch, even knowing that they were depictions and not actual torture.

The movie goes on to explain that not only did the torture fail to yield up any usable information, but that it was a combination of guile and compassionate treatment that actually turned up useful information from the tortured man.

Whether or not the movie deserves an Oscar is beyond me. I don't much care about the opinions of movie savants, either way. I do know that the movie was a meandering mess at times, but that they managed to make me care about people that did very bad things to people who may or may not have deserved it.

That deserves something. Condemnation or accolades. I can't decide which.
 
2013-01-19 05:04:15 PM

Mad_Radhu: Isn't a big part of making of great movie challenging the viewer? Sometimes art has take people out of their comfort zones and challenge their perceptions.


And people laugh when I tell them Two Girls One Cup is the 21st century's Citizen Kane.
 
2013-01-19 05:05:35 PM
"We expect actors as talented and esteemed as Martin Sheen, Ed Asner, and David Clennon"

Talented and esteemed? Sheen had one good movie, Apocalypse Now, what has Asner done in the last 20 years? JFK? As for Clennon, who the fark is that?
 
2013-01-19 05:06:18 PM
Betty White says who farkin cares?
 
2013-01-19 05:08:27 PM
mmmmm gunpatriot torture porn goes to the Oscars....

and Dumbericans wonder why people want to blow them up....
 
2013-01-19 05:08:40 PM
A fictional movie based upon a fictional story and people are angry about it not being true? What's next people getting upset when they find out Operation Repo isn't a true story?
 
2013-01-19 05:09:00 PM

ReapTheChaos: "We expect actors as talented and esteemed as Martin Sheen, Ed Asner, and David Clennon"

Talented and esteemed? Sheen had one good movie, Apocalypse Now, what has Asner done in the last 20 years? JFK? As for Clennon, who the fark is that?


Asner?

Little movie called "UP."
 
2013-01-19 05:09:09 PM

Lizardking: How about no Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty because it was a crappy and undeserving movie? That a good enough reason?


Wasn't good enough for that piece of shiat "The Hurt locker" so, probably not.
 
2013-01-19 05:12:28 PM

Lizardking: How about no Oscar for Zero Dark Thirty because it was a crappy and undeserving movie? That a good enough reason?


Ding ding ding

Don't get why they oppose it. Awful things get put in movies all the time. This awful stuff might have actually happened  So it's unacceptable?

If they are opposed to torture, fine. Ban torture, not movie awards.
 
2013-01-19 05:18:31 PM

leadmetal: A fictional movie based upon a fictional story and people are angry about it not being true?


I hear the hate mail about Apollo 13 was epic.
 
2013-01-19 05:18:46 PM

OgreMagi: Given that these same people gave Moore an Oscar for Bowling for Columbine, this stupidity does not surprise me.


You'd especially think that people in the business would spot the clearly faked scenes in what is supposed to be a documentary. The "showing Charlton Heston a picture of the dead girl and he just walks away" scene for example.
 
2013-01-19 05:18:58 PM
torture works well (just ask the french underground, the gulf war british special forces unit bravo two zero, or the FLN), but it is also completely incompatible with the values this nation claims to hold dear and erodes the foundation this country was built upon.
people who claim torture doesn't work lie to the american public because they themselves are the type that believe the ends justify the means, and are incapable of grasping that the vast majority of the american public is able to understand something can be very effective, but at the same time not even close to worth the cost.
 
2013-01-19 05:19:01 PM
I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.
 
2013-01-19 05:19:04 PM

WippitGuud: Ed Asner isn't dead?


He was gone but...

thinknice.com

...Ed Asner's back
 
2013-01-19 05:20:47 PM
I fail to see why this is oscar worthy when it's nothing more than a documentization of events.Where is the "creative genius" here? It doesn't take a mastermind director to make what was already a real life nailbiter into a thrilling story.
 
2013-01-19 05:22:11 PM

Mr.Man: I fail to see why this is oscar worthy when it's nothing more than a documentization of events.Where is the "creative genius" here? It doesn't take a mastermind director to make what was already a real life nailbiter into a thrilling story.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-19 05:24:18 PM

coco ebert: I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.


Capture, you say? Right after they put a bullet between the eyes.
 
2013-01-19 05:26:37 PM

relcec: torture works well (just ask the french underground, the gulf war british special forces unit bravo two zero, or the FLN), but it is also completely incompatible with the values this nation claims to hold dear and erodes the foundation this country was built upon.
people who claim torture doesn't work lie to the american public because they themselves are the type that believe the ends justify the means, and are incapable of grasping that the vast majority of the american public is able to understand something can be very effective, but at the same time not even close to worth the cost.


Wtf am I reading?
 
2013-01-19 05:26:58 PM

Prey4reign: coco ebert: I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.

Capture, you say? Right after they put a bullet between the eyes.


I'm not sure what those critics are referring to. In the movie, they only get information about the courier 'after' they discontinue using torture and use humane treatment and a bit of lying to get him to believe that he'd broken down and told them stuff due to sleep deprivation.
 
2013-01-19 05:27:28 PM
Honestly, I'd rather hear why from the people who want to boycott the movie, not the whiny farks who wrote this utterly pointless article.
 
2013-01-19 05:28:29 PM

Infernalist:
I'm not sure what those critics are referring to. In the movie, they only get information about the courier 'after' they discontinue using torture and use humane treatment and a bit of lying to get him to believe that he'd broken down and told them stuff due to sleep deprivation.


Sounds like a subtle "moral of the story" there. Torture didn't work. Being sane did
 
2013-01-19 05:29:50 PM

coco ebert: I haven't seen ZDT yet but I have read critics state that while technically a wonderful movie, it depicts the capture of OBL as occurring because of info given up because of torture. If so, that's a problematic depiction since other journalistic sources indicate the capture largely didn't occur because of torture.


Well according to the nutballs I know torture probably DID lead to tons of great actionable info but it is all either off the books or super classified, and thus it is a lie to say torture is anything other than a go-to countermove to all 24-style situations (which are also allegedly happening all the time but we aren't told).
 
2013-01-19 05:30:08 PM
I haven't seen the movie but just by seeing where the political lines are forming up, I wonder if the opposition is more about a movie that casts a favorable light on our military. But then there would be obvious consequences if you just plainly stated "I'm a liberal and I don't like it because it makes our military look good."
 
2013-01-19 05:31:01 PM
Zero Dark Thirty probably won't snag Best Picture because Kathryn Bigelow didn't get a Best Director nod.

That's a PROBABLY, now. Generally, you don't win Best Picture if your movie didn't get a Best Director nomination, but it *has* happened (see Driving Miss Daisy).

Perhaps a better barometer is the Best Editing category. If your film doesn't get a Best Editing nomination, you don't win Best Picture. It's that simple. You don't have to *win* Best Editing, but without a nomination there, your odds look really, really bad. (And Zero Dark Thirty *does* have a Best Editing nomination).

All that to say this: I don't think it will win. Lincoln seems like the sure thing at this point, with Argo as a possible dark horse pick due to the snubbing of Affleck.
 
2013-01-19 05:31:14 PM

ReapTheChaos: "We expect actors as talented and esteemed as Martin Sheen, Ed Asner, and David Clennon"

Talented and esteemed? Sheen had one good movie, Apocalypse Now, what has Asner done in the last 20 years? JFK? As for Clennon, who the fark is that?


What has Ed Asner done in the last 20 years you ask?
"The boondocks" as Ed Wuncler III, among other things!

/Can't wait for season 4, baby!
//biatches love slashies!
 
2013-01-19 05:32:35 PM
I hope the Academy trolls the hell out of everyone and gives Best Picture to Django.

/imagine the outrage
 
2013-01-19 05:33:42 PM

KiwDaWabbit: I found that article to be very well thought out and written.

/Skimmed it (TLDNR)


Really? I found it to be ironic, cathartic and sublime as well as dense, dull and droll.

/just read the first and last sentence of each paragraph while drinking heavily
 
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