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(LA Times)   Lane splitting LA motorcyclist says he's doing a public service and you couldn't hit him if you tried   (latimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-01-19 09:27:26 PM  
Ermahgerd...lane splitters.
 
2013-01-19 09:30:24 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: I may not agree with it but it is kind of cool that CHP pretty much said "do it at your own risk". They realized people are going to do it, so why not let them but if they die it's all on them.


The reaaon lane spliting was ever not made illegal is due to CHP. Those old Kawi police bikes used to over heat when standing still.
 
2013-01-19 09:33:01 PM  

Aigoo:

My uncle's a biker. Been one for almost 40 years. If the man heard you saying this kind of idiotic bullshiat in real life, he'd snap your bike in two and drop it in the river--probably with you on it. If he caught you going 160, first he'd tell you--as he told me the first time he saw me on a motorcycle--they're not speed machines, then he'd laugh his ass off while the cops took care of that extraordinarily reckless driving problem you seem to have.

Personally, I approve of motorcycles. I do not approve of snot-nosed douchenozzles who are, in fact, assholes giving every other individual who choose to ride but is far more mature and responsible a bad name. Try being less of an ass and maybe people won't want to run your sorry ass over.



You're just jealous of his mad skillz.
 
2013-01-19 10:07:01 PM  
The only reason Z_clipped speeds is because he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-01-19 10:11:49 PM  
Having just picked up my bike from the shop, I'm getting a kick.
Yes, I split lanes. I have a 50 mile commute across LA and the few times I've had to make the drive in a car it has taken me around two and a half hours. On the bike I can usually make it in around an hour.

Here is an interesting read on why lane splitting should be legal in other states as well.

http://www.ridetowork.org/files/docs/LANE_SHARING_A_GLOBAL_SOLUTION_F O R_MOTORCYCLE_SAFETY.pdf

And don't forget, getting rear-ended may not be that serious for a car, but it can be much more dangerous for a motorcycle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7D0BTyJBeM
 
2013-01-19 10:12:41 PM  

Big Dave: I've heard that the Police unions have something to do with keeping it legal in California.


I'd bet what you heard is correct:

My first time in California, I took I-5 from my conference hotel in Anaheim up to L.A.

Traffic was flowing about 45-50 MPH and I was amazed at how everyone seemed to play nicely together, even in moderately thick traffic. Then, suddenly, 5 CHP cycles passed between me and the guy next to me, doing what appeared to be about 10 miles an hour more than we were. No doubt it helps them to get to calls faster.

At first, I was startled. Then I was in awe of their skill. Then I realized they were either crazy or had a lot of brass resting on their seats, because the chances for mistakes seemed quite amplified.

In the days I was there, I got somewhat accustomed to seeing the practice, but I still would be amazed if there isn't a lot of mirror clipping.
 
2013-01-19 10:14:43 PM  
It seems like a stupid thing to do. If you're on a motorcycle and you have an accident with a car then the person on the motorcycle gets hurt or killed no matter whose fault it is.
 
2013-01-19 10:22:00 PM  
I don't care what you ride/drive. Don't do it like a jerk!

/29 years riding m/c.
//stop doing math. I know I'm old.
 
2013-01-19 10:23:34 PM  

tstrimp: And don't forget, getting rear-ended may not be that serious for a car, but it can be much more dangerous for a motorcycle.


Well, yeah, when you can decelerate much quicker than the guy behind you you're gonna get hit.
 
2013-01-19 10:25:23 PM  
Late to the party...

But... there's sure lots of asshole (ITG) box jockeys on Fark.

Go fark yourselves. We're already prepared for you all to be morons that don't know how to drive and we do just fine planning for it. You need to be assholes too?
 
2013-01-19 10:31:12 PM  

IronTechV1: In the days I was there, I got somewhat accustomed to seeing the practice, but I still would be amazed if there isn't a lot of mirror clipping.


It's really not that bad... just pick you spot/line and go. If traffic is really slow or stopped... the cars can't move that fast anyway. Also... as in TFA... experience has taught me that from basic observation... I can tell what the driver is going to do before they do it.

Only bad experience I had (that wasn't some a-hole driver intentionally tying to crush me... which happens) was the dumbass that had a wheelbarrow in his truck with the handles sticking out of the side of the bed about 30"... that was not cool.
 
2013-01-19 10:33:14 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Late to the party...

But... there's sure lots of asshole (ITG) box jockeys on Fark.


Not yet, but there were. They're too busy going 160 mph on the highway at this hour, though.
 
2013-01-19 10:40:44 PM  
I haven't minded them splitting traffic when it's backed up, what bugs me is when they do it when traffic is moving just fine and they are flying past over the limit; on or off the freeway. But that's more crappy drivers than it is a problem with motorcycles or splitting traffic.
 
2013-01-19 10:50:07 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: I can tell what the driver is going to do before they do it.


Funny thing: I never experienced even a close call up on the freeways (other than being initially startled by lane-splitting), but when I drove into town, I stopped for a fresh red light that the guy behind me apparently couldn't imagine I'd want to stop for. And it wasn't one of those stand-on-the-brakes stops, it was a steady, controlled stop from 15 miles an hour in traffic. Guy slammed right into me causing the seatbelt to break my wife's rib. From that point on, I determined I liked L.A.'s freeways better than the land-roads.

Come to think of it, I didn't see a lot of motorcyclists on the main land roads. Guess they play it smart and stick to the back roads if they're not on the highway. :)
 
2013-01-19 10:52:56 PM  

FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.


Indeed. And we're used to it here. In fact, when I'm sitting in bad traffic and see a biker NOT doing this, I wonder why.
 
2013-01-19 10:53:35 PM  

Z-clipped: Do you ever drive over the speed limit?


This is really not a good comparison is it? Driving 10 miles (or even 20 miles) over the speed limit will get you a fine. Driving 80 over will get you jail time.
 
2013-01-19 10:56:57 PM  
Lane-splitting is illegal in Nevada, and it irritates me when I see a bike with a California tag doing it. But it REALLY pisses me off when I see a Las Vegas Metro cop do it on his Harley. I kind of expect Cali drivers to be unfamilliar with a Nevada law that doesn't exist where they come from, but motorcycle cops should follow the farking law.
 
2013-01-19 10:57:55 PM  
If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.
 
2013-01-19 11:01:27 PM  

Krieghund: If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.


Why?
 
2013-01-19 11:02:06 PM  

Krieghund: If there were a referendum, I would vote to end lane splitting.


Jealous much?
 
2013-01-19 11:08:32 PM  
As someone who does pretty much equal time between 2 wheels and 4 wheels, one thing constantly amazes me. The notion that because you are in a car you can do whatever the fark you want and not pay attention because hey, the car will protect you, right?

Screwing with a phone, putting on makeup, shaving, using a laptop, eating a steak dinner... I've seen it all and most of that was from my car. The number of responsible drivers seems to decrease year over year and be replaced by complacent dipshiats that think that because they drive a SUV or some luxury car, everyone should get out of their way.

You're operating a 2+ ton box of metal and fuel, being powered by a continuous explosion. Pay the fark attention.
 
2013-01-19 11:12:38 PM  

Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes. That may be in the blind spot too- and really this sort of check every time would be an unsafe distraction overall.


Life long California driver here, you bet I do check for motorcycles splitting lanes behind me. And always try to give them extra room when they pass.

\Don't like being told what to do, don't tell other people what to do.
\\I'll keep lane splitting and right turns on red thank you very much.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:06 PM  
There's a whole lot of Observational Selection and Confirmation Bias going on in here. People are so pathetic and angry that a single asshole biker becomes the de facto model for all of them. That one guy blew past you doing 120? Now that's what they all do. I really do pity people who behave that way.

The percentage of dangerous bikers is no different than the percentage of dangerous drivers. Because the real factor there is the dangerous person. Many people suck, but not all of them do. I'm a perfectly safe rider. I keep my bikes maintained and I practice ATGATT. Helmet, jacket, gloves, pants, boots. I ride the speed limit, don't tailgate, don't lane split, and am constantly watching my surroundings. I've taken 2 MSF courses and I passed my DMV test on a 984cc sport bike. Every single rider I know is a safe one. They may not wear as much gear as I do but they have safe riding habits otherwise.

People insisting that all bikers are assholes get ignored. If you're making gross over-generalizations and spewing hatred at the same time then you're not adding to the conversation. Are you taking umbrage with something? Fine. But stay reasonable about it. Demonizing an entire group over the actions of a few just goes to demonstrate how irrational and pathetic you are.
 
2013-01-19 11:33:14 PM  

Lorelle: FizixJunkee: dj_bigbird: Lane splitting is legal here in CA, it's a great way to deal with heavy traffic. And, it's safer.

This.

When cars are moving ~7 mph on the 405, motorcyclists are safe moving in and out of lanes. Plus, it's LEGAL for motorcyclists to "share lanes" with cars and other bikes.

Indeed. And we're used to it here. In fact, when I'm sitting in bad traffic and see a biker NOT doing this, I wonder why.


I am occasionally that rider... and it's because my dualsport's handlebars are wide and at the same height as pickup mirrors, so I need more room to spilt than the sportbike guys.

Where I fit, though, hell yes I split. I tell cage drivers who complain that it's a free country--they have every right to take the CMSP class and buy their own motorcycles.
 
2013-01-19 11:39:54 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: The percentage of dangerous bikers is no different than the percentage of dangerous drivers.


I think the percentage of "dangerous" bikers is lower.

The training and licensing is a lot more strict... and, honestly, dangerous bikers are culled from the herd at a larger rate than dangerous drivers.

Point still stands though...
 
2013-01-20 12:03:03 AM  
Watch what happens when I open my door.
 
2013-01-20 12:28:02 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Watch what happens when I open my door.


You cause an accident and your insurance rates go up? Maybe you get sued by the motorcyclist you injured. You're at fault for the accident, so maybe both.
 
2013-01-20 12:43:34 AM  

stjohn: Baloo Uriza: Watch what happens when I open my door.

You cause an accident and your insurance rates go up? Maybe you get sued by the motorcyclist you injured. You're at fault for the accident, so maybe both.


I think his point is that by opening his car door, he has to replace his car door. The motorcyclist has to replace a splein, a kidney, three ribs, a femur, and his bike is totaled.
 
2013-01-20 12:48:29 AM  
Fine, but when the bicycle assholes do it, I want to kill.

A few years back, I was stopped at a red light in the left turn lane, signalling for a left turn.  As the light turned green and I started up, three cyclist passed me on my left, riding right on the double yellow line and made slow, sloppy left turns ahead of me.

shiatheads.
 
2013-01-20 01:46:54 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: BadReligion: Z-clipped has to be a troll

What Z-clipped's bike might look like:
[badgertronics.com image 640x480]


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-20 01:47:39 AM  
Repo Man: And that's why I always use my turn signals. I lived for years without a car, relying on bicycles and motorcycles for transportation. So many times people would change lanes, never see me, and as they didn't think there was anyone around, they didn't bother to use their turn signal (that's being charitable, I'm sure some of them were the type of slobs who just couldn't be bothered under any circumstance).

How about the ones that use their turn signals, but only let the light flash twice.

Like dude, you're only 1/4th of the way into this lane. Don't turn that signal off until you're all the way in the lane.

// In short, people drive like dumb asses. I've had my own dumb ass moments from time to time, but less than the average person. And then there are people who turn driving like a dumbass into a career.
 
2013-01-20 02:23:23 AM  

lordargent: Oznog: We don't check for a slim, faster-moving incoming bike 3 cars back between lanes.

When you say "We", you really mean "all of the people who don't check for motorcycles" and not "everyone that drives".

Because "We" do check for motorcycles.

// IMO, there's a lot of people that shouldn't be on the road driving to begin with, those are the "We" you're referring to. Hell, some of them don't even bother checking for CARS, let alone motorcycles. YMMV according to state.

// I don't tailgate, I use my signals, I added wide angles to my side view mirrors so I can easily check lanes for cars/motorcycles, I don't run lights, etc ... but I speed like a motherfarker!


That's great, of all the "I don't" items you listed are overridden by the one "I do". Excessive speed is the number one cause of motor vehicle mishaps. Congratulations for being the biggest part of the problem of over thirty thousand deaths a year in the USA. You're so proud of you.
 
2013-01-20 02:35:23 AM  
TwowheelinTim: That's great, of all the "I don't" items you listed are overridden by the one "I do". Excessive speed is the number one cause of motor vehicle mishaps. Congratulations for being the biggest part of the problem of over thirty thousand deaths a year in the USA. You're so proud of you.

I didn't start out as a speeder, when I first learned to drive, I did everything by the book. I studied before taking the written test, and got 100% on both the written and behind the wheel tests (the DMV person drew a happy face on the test sheet, ROFL).

In any event, once I got out there on the California freeways, I tried to go the limit (65) in the #1 lane ... that didn't last long.

Here in CA, you need to go 80 just to keep up with the flow of traffic.

You want to know how to drive 80 safely? Maintain your car and pay attention for upcoming dangers. CA freeways tend to be long and straight with visibility for miles.

I don't understand how people can hit cars that are parked in the emergency lane or rear end another vehicle when they come up on traffic. I can only assume that those people weren't paying attention to their driving for the former, and were following too close for the latter, or were going their normal speed in the rain/snow/ice.

It's not like cars magically fall out of the sky.
 
2013-01-20 02:43:41 AM  
These guys and people - mostly Ghetto Cruisers(tm) around my neighborhood - that pass on the right on the road AND at intersections make me all stabby, subby.
 
2013-01-20 02:50:07 AM  
This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

In the end, it's not about safety. You do dangerous shiat because it doesn't feel dangerous to you. You have no concept of the risk you subject others to. You vastly overestimate the damage my bike can do your car, and vastly underestimate the damage you can do to me. You have the silly notion that me sharing a lane with you for a split second puts you at significant risk, while you regularly choosing not to use a signal is no big deal for everyone else. You have no understanding of the actual dangers involved in driving, because you're locked in a giant, padded steel box, and to be quite frank, you just don't care about anything outside of that box.

Flame away hypocrites. It doesn't bother me. I know it's really rooted in your authoritarian rage that I'm able to break rules that you can't. Go ahead, wish death upon me. I'd rather die because I made a mistake, than because your Facebook status update couldn't wait til the next rest stop.
 
2013-01-20 03:06:48 AM  
To motorcycle riders out there, please do not ride right next a Jeep Wrangler's rear wheels. That is a huge blind spot where everything just disappears. Oh, loud pipe save lives so it is okay to ride there? NO. The interior of the Jeep is louder than your exhaust. You are dead if I change lanes.
 
2013-01-20 03:11:31 AM  

Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.


So it's not okay, but you're gonna go ahead and do it because everyone else is? What are you getting at, exactly? In the end, it IS about safety though. It could be the difference between life or death. Sure, you could speed and lane split irresponsibly all you want, but ultimately it's a risk you are taking that someone else could swipe you and knock you on your ass. Just don't biatch about it if it happens because YOU know that it could have happened. Ignorance isn't an excuse. Of course there are shiatty drivers out there. You take that risk when you pull out of your driveway every morning. There ain't nothing you're gonna do to change that. biatching about it on the internet sure isn't going to help and I highly doubt you are going to change anyone's opinion about it with your attitude.

I'm fine with lane splitters as long as the cyclists do it safely and responsibly in accordance with the law. If you are on a bike and can get by slow moving traffic, fine by me. Go ahead. I'd do it too if I could, so why not? Yeah, no shiat there are going to be salty people about it but again, like I said before, there's NOTHING you can do to change their stubborn ways, so just shut the fark up.
 
2013-01-20 03:15:28 AM  

mjbok: Z-clipped: Do you ever drive over the speed limit?

This is really not a good comparison is it? Driving 10 miles (or even 20 miles) over the speed limit will get you a fine. Driving 80 over will get you jail time.


You're missing the point. I'm not making some kind of slippery slope argument. People think that driving 10 over isn't a big deal, so they do it because it's convenient. And they're right; most of the time, it isn't a big deal.

But they also willingly engage in numerous OTHER "convenient" behaviours that are incredibly dangerous to motorcycles. Over the years, I have learned that 80-90% of them are going to justify doing these things no matter how much education they have about them, and no matter how polite and law abiding I am on my bike. They're going to text, and eat, and fiddle, and talk on the phone, and let their attention wander because it's what they want to do. And they don't care if it kills me, because "it's my fault for riding a dangerous motorcycle in the first place". That's some tortured logic.

I used to get furious every day at that incredible lack of respect for my life. Then I bought a bike with 175hp at the wheel and race- quality brakes and suspension. Now it doesn't bother me.
 
2013-01-20 03:24:31 AM  

studman 69: Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

So it's not okay, but you're gonna go ahead and do it because everyone else is? What are you getting at, exactly? In the end, it IS about safety though. It could be the difference between life or death. Sure, you could speed and lane split irresponsibly all you want, but ultimately it's a risk you are taking that someone else could swipe you and knock you on your ass. Just don't biatch about it if it happens because YOU know that it could have happened. Ignorance isn't an excuse. Of course there are shiatty drivers out there. You take that risk when you pull out of your driveway every morning. There ain't nothing you're gonna do to change that. biatching about it on the internet sure isn't going to help and I highly doubt you are going to change anyone's opinion about it with your attitude.

I'm fine with lane splitters as long as the cyclists do it safely and responsibly in accordance with the law. If you are on a bike and can get by slow moving traffic, fine by me. Go ahead. I'd do it too if I could, so why not? Yeah, no shiat there are going to be salty people about it but again, like I said before, there's NOTHING you can do to change their stubborn ways, so just shut the fark up.


I'm glad to see that you've come around to my point of view. We're now saying essentially the same thing.

I'm not the one biatching. I'm not trying to change anyone's driving habits. I gave up that losing battle a long time ago. I won't cry if I get hurt. I take responsibility for my own risk. The only thing I'm calling for is an end to the hypocritical butthurt and outrage.
 
2013-01-20 05:26:07 AM  

Z-clipped: This thread is full of drivers who voluntarily put other people's lives at risk for the sake of their own convenience every time they get into a vehicle. I guess I'm just the only one with the balls to take responsibility for it.

In the end, it's not about safety. You do dangerous shiat because it doesn't feel dangerous to you. You have no concept of the risk you subject others to. You vastly overestimate the damage my bike can do your car, and vastly underestimate the damage you can do to me. You have the silly notion that me sharing a lane with you for a split second puts you at significant risk, while you regularly choosing not to use a signal is no big deal for everyone else. You have no understanding of the actual dangers involved in driving, because you're locked in a giant, padded steel box, and to be quite frank, you just don't care about anything outside of that box.

Flame away hypocrites. It doesn't bother me. I know it's really rooted in your authoritarian rage that I'm able to break rules that you can't. Go ahead, wish death upon me. I'd rather die because I made a mistake, than because your Facebook status update couldn't wait til the next rest stop.


Dude, unwad your panties. They are so bunched up that they are making you angry.
 
2013-01-20 05:53:50 AM  

Mock26: Dude, unwad your panties.


d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-20 07:51:11 AM  
FTA -
I'll be gone before you know it.
how prophetic.

One day, a long time back, God spoke very clearly to me.
He didn't use his voice, he used what was at hand...
which was the echo of the wind as it whipped through the guardrail holes on that bridge.
The voice was getting louder as well. Then I noticed the reason was the end of my handlebars and the aforementioned guardrail holes were only six inches away from each other.
FTTTT FTTTT FTTTT FTTTT FTTTTFTTTT
that's an audible warning and whether you choose to observe it or not, well, that's up to you. As for me, I don't really want to experience a lot of pain...
 
2013-01-20 09:33:51 AM  

ReverendJynxed: I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.


Hear, hear! I don't trust drivers enough to split lanes anywhere. Personally, I think it's just plain stupid, I don't care how hot it is (Florida rider) or how much traffic there is, stay in your damn lane. There's way too much arrogance in the rider community about "freedom", and being a bad-ass, and making the personal choice to take unnecessary risks is an attempt to prove both. Some riders in this thread have argued with the drivers about "getting to Qdoba", but what is lane splitting? Need to get to the gym in 27 minutes?
 
2013-01-20 10:06:50 AM  

dc0012c: ReverendJynxed: I rode a bike for many years and I would never split lanes because I don't trust the folks in cases. You know for a fact they aren't paying attention and you are still willing to risk your safety because you think you can out-stupid them.

Hear, hear! I don't trust drivers enough to split lanes anywhere. Personally, I think it's just plain stupid, I don't care how hot it is (Florida rider) or how much traffic there is, stay in your damn lane. There's way too much arrogance in the rider community about "freedom", and being a bad-ass, and making the personal choice to take unnecessary risks is an attempt to prove both. Some riders in this thread have argued with the drivers about "getting to Qdoba", but what is lane splitting? Need to get to the gym in 27 minutes?


If you were lane splitting you could probably get to the gym in 16...
 
2013-01-20 10:23:46 AM  

santadog: In Asia, it's not just lane splitting, but Motorcycles and Scooters also get a "box" at the traffic lights.  All bikes move to the box during the red light in front of all the cars.  Any Motocycle or Scooter will take off faster than a car from the stop.


They've recently installed some here in Barcelona. Lane splitting is illegal here, but the police turn a blind eye. There's a huge number of motorbikes in the city and trying to stop them would either be futile or result in a week-long street-collapsing protest if they started writing tickets for it.
 
2013-01-20 01:25:08 PM  
Umm, this is the law in California and other Southwestern states. It is done due to the fact that air cooled motorcycles can overheat in the summer months unless you are moving.
 
2013-01-20 01:34:52 PM  
Oh, God, not this thread again. It's illegal in the US except for California, so if I accidentally injure you outside the Golden State, don't blame me. A$$holes.
 
2013-01-20 01:59:20 PM  
The same bikers claiming "This is safer, it's good for everyone" are going to go lawsuit happy the first time they end up in a wreck because they were doing it.

And I'm going to have no sympathy for them.
 
2013-01-20 02:33:08 PM  
Somebody needs to refresh his spank literature.
 
2013-01-20 03:38:22 PM  

JuggleGeek: The same bikers claiming "This is safer, it's good for everyone" are going to go lawsuit happy the first time they end up in a wreck because they were doing it.

And I'm going to have no sympathy for them.


And they will more than likely lose, unless the person they hit was doing something illegal or dangerous.
 
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